Do we want it or not? Lately I have SOME motivation to do a redesign. The menu sructure is near perfect now in my opinion, I'd put up some new graphs, and improve the news posting system a bit. but i'll have exams soon and have to make the 2005 engine anyway, so it's not sure this project will start in the near future, but strangely sometimes I feel I'd like to work with it a bit :)
Put your wishlist here...
Hey, Zak, I think the design is great and there's no need for changing it. I was also satisfied with it 1-2 years ago.
If you have free time and motivation, please:
- do the missing analysises
- the missing chat stats
- create the podium again
- refresh the live race system because last time it didn't work
- after 5 months, please make an update at Transport Tycoon competition (am I right, Gutix?).
In my opinion. Waiting for the other people's opinion.
Because these things make me say there's a competition and a community, and not the hyper super ultra mega improved design, which was fair enough 2 years ago, too. Think about it.
The things Akoss mentioned here are not related with site design at all, so Zak won't do it :mrgreen: Akoss also could ask what is "coming soon..." on this page (http://stunts.mine.nu/zakstunts/index.php?page=info&menu=full) :lol:
ok, now let's be more serious. Would be nice to have site themes. At least colors. Maybe someone is nostalgic to previous brown or bluish colors :wink:
The things Akoss mentioned here are not related with site design at all, so Zak won't do it :mrgreen: Akoss also could ask what is "coming soon..." on this page (http://stunts.mine.nu/zakstunts/index.php?page=info&menu=full) :lol:
ok, now let's be more serious. Would be nice to have site themes. At least colors. Maybe someone is nostalgic to previous brown or bluish colors :wink:
Quote from: "Akoss Poo"Hey, Zak, I think the design is great and there's no need for changing it. I was also satisfied with it 1-2 years ago.
If you have free time and motivation, please:
- do the missing analysises
- the missing chat stats
- create the podium again
- refresh the live race system because last time it didn't work
- after 5 months, please make an update at Transport Tycoon competition (am I right, Gutix?).
In my opinion. Waiting for the other people's opinion.
analysis: I'd like to have some help there, its clearly only time...
chat stats: I guess only 2 are missing, I'll do them, its no time.
podium: again: its too much work, and I havent got used to Gimp yet (remmeber I use no windows, and that means no Paint Shop Pro)
tycoon: shame, but I lost the savegames somehow. When last time you asked in the news I wanted to update but couldnt find them anywhere. Please send them again!
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the main reason for the site redeign is not that I dont like the way it looks. It's just that I'm fixing the same old code with small patches sice 2 years, and it looks like a big garbage bin... it'd be nice to make the whole site 100% HTML 4.0 and CSS compatible - which means rewriting the code again, and so maintain expnasibility and flexiblity. Then also users could send some colour themes, and so everyone could see ZS as he wants to.
The problems with the lacking content - I agree with you (see? :)), but those things need continous free time and efforts. And thats something I dont have right now. Thats why a code rewrite would be nice, with some ppl doing analysises, podium, etc - and they could also upload to the site with a form. Of course only if some of you would like to cooperate in maintaining the site.
I love the design as it is now, so if you are going to rewrite the code, please don't change it too much... There's no need to change a wonderful design.
If you send me all the replays and fit all the numbers onto the site and do the pictures, I'll do all the analysis. About the podium, it's okay if you don't want to do it, but if you take it up again at some point, use pictures of the pipsqueaks too :D
I agree with Akoss Poo that you should rather spent the little free time you have on other things than improving the design, which is already great.
I have template Excel files for the analysis, all you have to do is selecting the checkpoints, and writing the times on the first page on that excel chart+ the pciture of the track w checkpoints Then all that has to be done is sending it back to me, and from on all I have to do is convert the xls to cvs and import to the database using phpmyadmin.
the problem might be that some replays are missing...
about the podium: the last podium was too complicated. Always redoing the picture from scratch.
I liked it, and probably there'll be a new one - which only needs the names, teams, pictures linked as name, and putting the appropiate pics on a background, which contains the podium itself.
if we'd like to have pictures then it means we need to have pictures from everyone, and in the same aspect ratio.
oh damn, instead of speaking i'll go and explore the HTML editor of linux and try some changes :)
Just try to send me as many of the replays you can, and the template Excel file. Then I'll do my best! I have my own replays, of course, so don't bother if some of those are missing.
Jacky: Ok I'll sned the replays and XLS :)
Everyone:
I have rewritten the index page. Now its static, but it not a hard job to implement these nice functions on the right side.
http://stunts.mine.nu/zakstunts/2005
changes:
-using 1024x768 now as default
-optimised for mozilla firefox browser, forget IE.
-clean, nice HTML code which is easy to work with ;)
-HTML 4.01 Transitional and CSS compatible - some bugs, correcting them
you can always check the latest progress of the 2005 site (ZS6.0 on this page mentioned above) No redesign now, but implementing some nice new features.
Like scoreboard will show your difference in time compared to your previous time sent.
And other ideas you might suggest here ;)
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Quote-using 1024x768 now as default
pfff :? No more races, no more visits :( :cry:
Check the link first... I use 800*600 too and of course the site looks a bit better for me now, but the difference is very small.
I just had a look at the new version. Fortunately, the design wasn't changed, so it looks good. But... was there any complaints about present system of news? Will we be able to see news in the center frame, with a bigger character size, or only on the right side, with these small characters, and with place for only 3-4 news? And why won't be able to post longer news??? I'm always happy when I see many news, many LONG news on the page. It means there is life on the page... why don't you want to see that?
Other things: why do you want to use 1024x768 as default? Pages made for 800x600 look good also on a screen with higher resolution. But you can't tell this about a page made for 1024x768 when you watch it with lower resolution... Yes, at home I use 800x600. Am I alone? (OK, I'll have to see the test page from home...)
I think most users use IE, not Mozilla. Probably that's not good, but that's a fact. There is no problem with the "old" homepage when I open it in Mozilla. So why do you have to change anything?
I agree it would be better to see working stats, podium, etc... instead of new design. I think I could make one image for the podium, if that's the problem. I liked podium very much, and always watched (and listened) it.
Correction: "I could make one image for the podium EVERY MONTH, if that's the problem." (The other problem: I can't edit my own post, that's why I have to send a new one.)
Of course I checked the link Bonz'nJail :!: :evil: :x I use 800x600 only, and I hate very much sites with higher resolution except those who have only adverts in right. Even at school I'm telling pupil to keep 800x600 and turn to higher in case program window cann't fit in screen.
1024x768 is only for 17" (and more) monitors. I must agree with Usrin about:
QuotePages made for 800x600 look good also on a screen with higher resolution. But you can't tell this about a page made for 1024x768 when you watch it with lower resolution...
IE also is a major browser for now, so you, Zak, firstly should to do site IE compatible :)
Browsers:
Everyone can install Firefox, Not everyone can install IE. That quite settles the things. Also it's some ideological thing, I hate IE, and I hate Microsoft. IE is the biggest shit they ever produced with 1000s of security holes. Anyway site will look the same in IE probably too, so its not a big thing, but its optimized for firefox - firefox users will see 100% what I wanted to show them.
But if you dont like o receive adware and spying progs, popups use firefox. I want to support it wherever I can, and this is the best solution. (anway 25% of the visitors elready use it)
1024x768:
60% or more of the visitors have this resolution since ages. BUT I remember how annoying is to see a page in 800x600 which was designed for bigger resolutions. See that textbox on the bottom of the left? Well thats a PHP Session login. Worked on it for 3 hours today, and it just works fine. What fdoes this mean?
That small user menu which comes up after logging in: currently: logout, post news, send replay
will have the following functions:
-delete user (I also think on quitters ;)
-change resolution to 800x600 - news will then go to the middle, but you can only see it then when at the startpage.
-maybe color/CSS templates if there's a need for it.
-detailed personal stats and archive.
News:
I guess seeing them on the right side all the time will make people use them more. Its now a bit like a chatbox. Currently the boxes are suited for 180char messages - i guess there are rarely longer ones. And of course you can type longer ones, they'll show up.
I can change the number of the shown news to 6 maybe - it'll fit in the place.
But there will be nice small buttons on the bottom to see next/prev news.
I guess these all bring more functionality and usability to the newsposting.
And yes I like to see the long, many news - except b?ff.
Podium:
It'll be dynamically linked, if possible, I'll check that out later, these days I'm converting the 2004 pages to the new 2005 page. If it's not possible to link it dynamically, I'll happily accept your offer ;)
oh and thanks for the suggestions, keep up posting, we still have 6 weeks until the new site is launched :)
I forgot to mention that users will be able to edit their profile, and upload pictures.
jeje I like that :)
Well, current design suits me fine, but color change would be good.
About resolution, well, I am actually 1152x864 and site made for 800x600 are quite small to read them. :lol:
But I remember my old computer when I was 800x600 and hated websites where I couldn't see everything, so it's not a problem if it stays 800x600. :wink:
What I would like is about news posting : some of my news never appeared just because of some caracters like ' are not accepted :x
And, as I don't verify each time if news were posted good, i felt often disappointed about that.
For example, I made a post about the 15th birthday of the Fall of Berlin Wall and I just see right now that it didn't appeared. :x :(
It gives you an error message when it won't post it. Then you can go back, and the news you wrote will still be there, so you can remove the 's. But I agree if it could be changed, it should.
Quote from: "BonzaiJoe"It gives you an error message when it won't post it.
Not always it seems... :?
I use 1024x768 at home, Windows xp; 800x600 and Windows 98 in Debrecen.
Yes, until someone uses 800x600 (and there are some regular pipsqueaks who still use it), we should have this resolution. It is more annoying not to see the whole site than to see the page in a lower resolution than it could be.
I remember when my father used 640x480 at his workplace and the site was 800x600 it was really really annoying.
I think nobody will install Firefox just to see your site correctly, maybe for nobody ZakStunts is the only site which he visits. It was a very ridiculous excuse!!!
I think most of the drivers use IE (sometimes I use Opera), and they will use IE, and there's no reason to change the system Firefox and Mozilla compatible. It will be only you who will like it better.
I think it is a really stupid thing to lower the design level for the most of the drivers (including the post thing) just because you hate Microsoft and don't use Windows and IE.
Sorry that this should have been my 1000th post.
Quote from: "Akoss Poo"I use 1024x768 at home, Windows xp; 800x600 and Windows 98 in Debrecen.
Yes, until someone uses 800x600 (and there are some regular pipsqueaks who still use it), we should have this resolution. It is more annoying not to see the whole site than to see the page in a lower resolution than it could be.
I remember when my father used 640x480 at his workplace and the site was 800x600 it was really really annoying.
I just finished the user setting system, which allows the users to change the color scheme (not implemented yet) and switch the site resolution between 1024x768 and 800x600 - as promised. Users who can use 1024 should use that one because its much more fucntional, who cant see, just switch to 800x600, and access the menu on the welcome page and from the menu -if they want to check the news later - just as it is now.
Problem solved.
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I think nobody will install Firefox just to see your site correctly, maybe for nobody ZakStunts is the only site which he visits. It was a very ridiculous excuse!!!
I think most of the drivers use IE (sometimes I use Opera), and they will use IE, and there's no reason to change the system Firefox and Mozilla compatible. It will be only you who will like it better.
I think it is a really stupid thing to lower the design level for the most of the drivers (including the post thing) just because you hate Microsoft and don't use Windows and IE.
1. who spoke about loweing the design level? I only said it"s
OPTIMIZED for firefox. That means it'll look like my imagination in Firefox. IE and Opera users will maybe see some design glitches -like one table is 2-3mm away from the place I wanted it to be.
Thats no decrease in functionality I guess. This whole thing has much smaller value than you all think. It's not liek it wont work perfectly in IE. Of course it will, I'm designing webpages since 6 years I know how to do it to be compatible with most of the browsers, dont worry.
2. I dont need an excuse to choose firefox, it was a reason, not excuse. I'm for free and open-source software, as for cancelling all the copyrights for music,videos,software, etc. I dont force anyone to choose firefox - but if anyone changes to it because ZS is optimized for firefox (definitely not that is the most important reason to change, but protecting your computer from stupid ads, adwares, banners, popups, viruses, intruders) - then it was worth the efforts.
In 1998 70% of the net users used Netscape, and the remaining IE. If IE continues the way as it is now (with the current bugfixing speed from Microsoft its more than possible), this will come again, believe me. Major websites have already changed to firefox optimization anyway. It's just better. Opera is great too, but its not free without that stupid ad.
Spend once 10 mins and try firefox.
QuoteSorry that this should have been my 1000th post.
No problem, you'll probably never like anything I do.
back to work...
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Zak, I was surprised when reading that 25% of your visitors use Mozilla - on my homepage, that's only 5%. The difference: 99% of my visitors are from Hungary. It seems that for some reason, Mozilla can't become a widespread browser here... I also like Mozilla, and I've never seen major differences between the looking of the same page in these two browsers. But you wrote "forget IE" - it was a bit strange and frightening, and it sounded like we won't be able to see the site perfectly in IE. (But 1.: there's democracy. 2.: people not always use there own computer, so they can't always choose the browser they use...) And it was strange to see you're against IE so seriously. I opened this forum many times in Konqueror, Mozilla or Opera, and I always got a stupid message "you should use IE". Due to God (or Zak? :) ), this message has disappeared, as I see.
A small idea: what about calculating time gaps between the leader and other pipsqueaks on the scoreboard? It has been done for ages on sites of other competitions, I don't understand why hasn't anybody missed it on ZakStunts. And I'm looking forward to see the podium refreshing every month (or to refresh the podium every month). :)
I dunno, I'm still hesitating if I should show timegaps (eveyone can calculate it easily), or time difference from previous replay sent from the pipsqueak. What do you think?
Quote from: "zaqrack"I dunno, I'm still hesitating if I should show timegaps (eveyone can calculate it easily), or time difference from previous replay sent from the pipsqueak. What do you think?
Don't choose, show them both. :wink:
Else, choose gap calculation between current 1st and best replay sent from the pipsqueak, like it is in USC.
Yes, Firefox, love it :!:. Now with the new design I can see the ZakStunts page even better? I think I have to go there again (in a few months?)... *sigh*
:?
Answering to CTG's suggestion: let's save natural resources by site design! ;D
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f283/Duplode/platzak2.png)
Or, if you're not that environment-conscious, you might prefer something more lively...
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f283/Duplode/platzak1.png)
(mock-ups powered by Platypus (http://platypus.mozdev.org/), the magic client-side HTML tuner for Firefox)
Black one is so cool!!! :)
I'm a conservative. I like the green one.. :P
Oh, that's a good double-joke in Denmark, but the others won't get it :)
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on January 27, 2009, 07:44:37 PM
Oh, that's a good double-joke in Denmark, but the others won't get it :)
Let me guess, convervative party colour is green?
Bingo! :)
Not that specific joke, we also have/had a Green Party here, maybe Zak knows more about them than me.
we have like 4 green partys, all of them are worth nothing
Quote from: Frikernow i get the green background :D folks, welcome to the matrix! :D
This quote deserves to be stored on a more permanent place... :D
Will you ever change the green background?
I will change when the color of grass in Stunts will have a different color.
Quote from: zaqrack on May 30, 2012, 04:34:40 AM
I will change when the color of grass in Stunts will have a different color.
Can be changed in Stressed... :)
Quote from: CTG on October 10, 2012, 04:30:27 PM
Quote from: zaqrack on May 30, 2012, 04:34:40 AM
I will change when the color of grass in Stunts will have a different color.
Can be changed in Stressed... :)
Imagine having grass, water, ice, dirt and paved road all in the same colour and race on it. That would definitely be fun!
Quote from: CTG on October 10, 2012, 04:30:27 PM
Quote from: zaqrack on May 30, 2012, 04:34:40 AM
I will change when the color of grass in Stunts will have a different color.
Can be changed in Stressed... :)
Not so simple: hill grass can be easily changed, but the base grass (just like the sky) is not made with 3D objects but is set as a default background, so we have to patch the .exe if we want to change it, which is kind of an annoying thing to do.
However, we had found the relevant bytes back in the reverse engineering efforts in 2010 (that info must be somewhere in my notes from that period); and so such a mod is feasible... :)
Quote from: Chulk on October 10, 2012, 05:40:28 PM
Imagine having grass, water, ice, dirt and paved road all in the same colour and race on it. That would definitely be fun!
Stunts Dakar :D