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ZakStunts - the Competition => Competition Archive => Competition 2005 => Topic started by: Mingva on January 28, 2005, 05:09:16 PM

Title: WTF with scoreboard???
Post by: Mingva on January 28, 2005, 05:09:16 PM
Zak, you changed rules without any warning or announcement  :!:  :!:  :!: If you changed pointsystem, you probably changed bonus points as well.

Quotemodification of the rules is not likely to happen during the season, and if it can occur only after a vote/opinion ask in the forum
Any comments about the current situation, MASTER :?:  :x
Title: WTF with scoreboard???
Post by: CTG on January 28, 2005, 07:34:20 PM
He gives fraction pts under 12th place. I think it's a correct solution to motivate weaker drivers. Does anybody have a problem with this? I think only you take care of these stupid things, like braking almost unknown rules to make the championship better. Sometimes you should keep silent or think over the new system. Just remember: if Fleming's assistant washed up the retorts every day we would never know about penicillin... :)
Title: WTF with scoreboard???
Post by: CTG on January 28, 2005, 07:41:10 PM
On the other hand, I don't think Alan, Bonzai Joe, Alain, Krys, Dark Chaser or anybody else has a problem with this change. You cry over everything here or make useless critics although you are not racing. It's a nonsense...  :?
Title: WTF with scoreboard???
Post by: Akoss Poo a.k.a. Zorromeister on January 28, 2005, 07:59:50 PM
I support the new point system, what's more, I thought about it a long ago. Quite fair, I think we would have introduced a rule like this in the past years, too.
Title: WTF with scoreboard???
Post by: zaqrack on January 28, 2005, 09:53:25 PM
quoting Herr Otto:

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pipsqueaks below the 12th place get point fractions, to make possible creating a ranklist between them. This function is only experimental at the moment.

experimental
explanation:first we see how it works and then decide whether it stays or not.

Bonus points have not changed.
Title: WTF with scoreboard???
Post by: CTG on January 28, 2005, 11:32:10 PM
So Mingva over-reacted something... AGAIN...

a, play
b, shut up

You can choose, Ming!
Title: WTF with scoreboard???
Post by: Mingva on January 29, 2005, 09:18:47 AM
I'll only quote one important phrase again:

Quotemodification of the rules is not likely to happen during the season, and if it can occur only after a vote/opinion ask in the forum
Title: WTF with scoreboard???
Post by: zaqrack on January 29, 2005, 09:30:47 AM
but i didnt change the rules yet!
Title: WTF with scoreboard???
Post by: Mingva on January 29, 2005, 11:45:47 AM
Quote from: "zaqrack"but i didnt change the rules yet!
You changed pointsystem. If it's for testing purposes you had to mention it on ZS site or here in forum. Sorry Zak, but it's really annoying to discover changes in rules although its not confirmed  :?
Title: WTF with scoreboard???
Post by: Akoss Poo a.k.a. Zorromeister on January 29, 2005, 01:19:38 PM
B?FF!
Title: WTF with scoreboard???
Post by: Argammon on January 29, 2005, 01:32:02 PM
Mingva,if you are talking over the 0,9 0,8 etc points I think it's no big deal is it?

Imagine zak decided the following change to make my point clear:

Winner gets 10,000000000000000001 points 2nd gets 10,000000000000000001 points and so on..

That is a small change but it does not really change anything,does it?

And I think it depends,how you voice your criticism....
Title: WTF with scoreboard???
Post by: Mingva on January 29, 2005, 02:40:59 PM
QuoteThat is a small change but it does not really change anything,does it?
Yes Argammon, it changes. Let's imagine:


Example_1:
pipsqueak Z1 Z2 Z3 Z4 AvR Pts
Abc 12 14 14 12  13 3.6
Def 13 13 15 11  13 4.5

Example_2:
pipsqueak Z1 Z2 Z3 Z4 AvR Pts
Ghi 16 18 16 10  15 4.6 !!!
Def 13 13 15 11  13 4.5

In first example, both pipsqueaks have average ranking 13. But because difference between 11th and 12th places are much bigger than between 12th and 13th, pipsqueak Def has 0.9pts advantage even with the same ranking as pipsqueak Abc. With previous system Abc and Def had 2pts both.

The most interesting second example. pipsqueak Ghi is a weak one. First three races he finished last. But on next race he was lucky to finish in 10th place (one place above Def). And what a miracle!!! Even with average rank worse by 2 places he overtook pipsqueak Def in overal rankings!!! It happened again because of unproportional points difference.

I hope you will make basic conclusions from my two simple examples  :roll:
Title: WTF with scoreboard???
Post by: zaqrack on January 29, 2005, 04:37:45 PM
both of your examples could have been apllied on the 2004 point system with the same results, since there was also a non-linear point distribution.

also I think a point system which is unfair in about 20% of the cases is still better than no point system at all, at the 12-11-10...-1 there is no way to make ANY order below the 12th place.

We should ask the pipsqueaks below the 12th place it's their opinion which is the most important now.
Title: WTF with scoreboard???
Post by: CTG on January 29, 2005, 06:45:00 PM
Ha-ha-ha... Mingva, you lost again.  :P

:smt075
Title: WTF with scoreboard???
Post by: Mingva on January 30, 2005, 11:28:17 AM
Zak, is it possible to add an AvR (average rank) collumn in Season's Standings?

...and one more provoking question to Zak: if you want to give points to all pipsqueaks with minimal difference between points, why don't you use NASCAR points as it was in season'2003  :?:  :P
Title: WTF with scoreboard???
Post by: Argammon on January 30, 2005, 05:57:38 PM
I hate the NASCAR series,I hate their cars,I hate their BORING tracks and I hate their point system.It must be the most annoying point system I have ever seen!!!

And what's up with all that ooooooh noooo oooohhhhhhhh the point system has to be linear crap? Ah well just my opinion.
Title: WTF with scoreboard???
Post by: Paleke on February 09, 2005, 09:40:20 PM
If you don't mind, I would like to give my opinion (I know, its a little late... but I don't care). I think it is a good idea, because it allows to participate in the season's standings to the slower pipsqueaks, I mean... look at the season's standings, there should be only 15 pipsqueaks, but there are 21. It's motivating for them and I think it will create like a second competition in which the participants will be the slower pipsqueaks. I know other pipsqueaks like AbuRaf70 and Johnny-K (still not participating, but he will) that think this is a good idea.
I know I was talking about "them" when I should be talking about "us" but I just wanted to give my opinion, and I think I did...
Title: WTF with scoreboard???
Post by: alanrotoi on February 09, 2005, 10:34:47 PM
Fair enough. I like it too.
Title: WTF with scoreboard???
Post by: CTG on February 10, 2005, 01:14:41 AM
Summary: Mingva lost agaiiiiiiiiiiiin (so good to say... :P). Hey lithuan, buy a Viagra and pay a Helen - worth of time for such a #&@!?>% guy like you instead of peeping the rules!  :smt029
Title: WTF with scoreboard???
Post by: Krys TOFF on February 10, 2005, 09:42:20 AM
I also think it's good motivation or slower pipsqueaks to give decimal points. :wink:
But the no-rh racing ghosts like grim reaper should not get points. :evil:
Title: WTF with scoreboard???
Post by: Usrin on February 28, 2005, 11:36:23 PM
Grrrr... 15.65 seconds difference between me (12.) and satanziege (13.) means only 0.1 points... but the 0.6 seconds between Diesel Joe and me gives him +1 point. :evil:

So I have to say: B????FFFFF!!!!!!! :smt078  :smt120
Title: WTF with scoreboard???
Post by: CTG on March 01, 2005, 01:01:26 AM
I agree with Usrin - we need time bonus pts again...
Title: WTF with scoreboard???
Post by: zaqrack on March 01, 2005, 10:17:48 AM
thats why I said its experimental. we can easily change the points to 0.09 0.08 0.07 0.06 etc, it doesnt matter, these points only meant to note the difference between the pipsqueaks below 12th place. This way it wont harm the pipsqueak on the 12th place.
Title: WTF with scoreboard???
Post by: CTG on March 01, 2005, 11:39:13 AM
Quote from: "Usrin"... but the 0.6 seconds between Dottore and me gives him +1 point. :evil:

LOL, I just saw that Diesel Joe finished 11th, not Dottore (10th).

Zak: Then let's change these points lower!
Title: WTF with scoreboard???
Post by: Usrin on March 01, 2005, 10:54:27 PM
Quote from: "CTG"LOL, I just saw that Diesel Joe finished 11th, not Dottore (10th).
But who wrote that it was Dottore? LOL :P
Title: WTF with scoreboard???
Post by: CTG on March 02, 2005, 12:46:13 AM
QuoteLegut?bb Usrin szerkesztette (Kedd. M?rc. 01, 2005 10:51 pm), ?sszesen 1 alkalommal

You... :P