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38:70 and 36:30 are similar in CTG and akoss poo replay. it is not a coincidence and i will never forget that they cheated this replay.
they are driving a life just throwing flames on pseudo ghosts, pseudo cheaters, and they CHEAT!!!
i guess you will be happy to know that CTG and akoss poo just founded a new team: corks crew featuring akoss poo
There were always been interteam alliances in Stunts World, started by Bonzai Joe and Roy Wiegerinck back in early 2002 when Alain you were nowhere, sitting on the sofa and masturbating.
CTG and me we know each other well, we can say that we are friends and even if we are not teammates like in 2003, sometimes we help each other with replays, especially when we don't have a teammate helping us. (I guess like Vamologocomisso and Dark Chaser.) CTG knew that I helped him very much, and there would be times when I need his help. This time I didn't ask for his replay, I guess when he realized that he can't beat the Argentinians, he gave me the trick in case I can beat them. And I was succeeded, and nobody can steal away this glorious victory from me. Look, everybody says congratulations to me, only you, poor and sick Alain is trying to steal away my deeds.
I guess you are only envious now that you couldn't find that trick, got from nobody. I was much more fair when you celebrated your first victory after playing 24/7 or/and using hexeditor.
In any case, just to prevent any rumours, this team message will be public:
this was CTG's last throw in Cork's Crew, he had already much on his account with the never stopping ghost prejudications.
Cork
I think with CTG's help, Team Cork's Crew didn't lose any points.
Cork is the only team which punishes this, that's why this team would be so unattractive for me. If a team helps an other team, maybe they can expect that they will be helped once later, too. I think there are very very much undiscovered interteam alliances/helps. Stunts is not only about teamwork since a long long time, we need good relationships with other teams, too, it happens 1-2 times a year that somebody (I guess everyone) can't find a damned trick.
Quote from: "Cork"this was CTG's last throw in Cork's Crew
Does this mean that CTG is fired from Cork's Crew ? :roll:
I guess not, Cork would have informed us on the team if that'd be the case.
Am I right to say that CTG told this trick to Akoss, but NOT to Cork's Crew? In that case, I am going to have a few words with Cork I think. If not, then I don't see anything particularly wrong with inter-team alliances either. And congratulations on the victory Akoss!
Quote from: "BonzaiJoe"Am I right to say that CTG told this trick to Akoss, but NOT to Cork's Crew?
Well, it's nonsense, since nobody had sent a replay, nobody played ZCT 53 from your team after CTG found the trick (it was during the world meeting).
Quote from: "BonzaiJoe"And congratulations on the victory Akoss!
Thank you very much. :D
Quote from: "zaqrack"I guess not, Cork would have informed us on the team if that'd be the case.
Pleeeease finish this childish game that you don't know who is Cork. Pleeease only in team forum. You founded a team, but somebody got hold on your team you don't know, and you are slaves to him? This is so stupid, sorry...
Quote from: "Cork"In any case, just to prevent any rumours, this team message will be public:
this was CTG's last throw in Cork's Crew, he had already much on his account with the never stopping ghost prejudications.
Cork
What's this? He can't say what he wants? There's liberty of speech!!! Are we living in communism? Zak (I have a strong guess that Cork=Zak, since their opinion is always the same; and only Zak is who says that they don't know who is Cork, he is the only one who cares about this thing, other team members don't) please wake up, we are far from 1989 now!!!
Is this Stunts communism? There's a boss (Cork), and you have to lick his ass, like it was in the communist era with the communist leaders. You mustn't help others who are outside your small world (Team Cork's Crew), and you mustn't accept help of others. There's a free world, I said, Stunts is not only about teamwork, it's about good relationships with other teams, too.
So bad. If you want to win the championship you have to be fair. This attitude is killing the racing spirit.
Quote from: "alanrotoi"So bad. If you want to win the championship you have to be fair. This attitude is killing the racing spirit.
If this kills the racing spirit, it must have been very weak...
It wasn't a message for you. By the way I think the racing spirit is getting weaker. I'm not talking about skills.
Quote from: "Akoss Poo"
Pleeeease finish this childish game that you don't know who is Cork. Pleeease only in team forum. You founded a team, but somebody got hold on your team you don't know, and you are slaves to him? This is so stupid, sorry...
You believe what you want to. I only founded one team: Digital Dynamite. The next time Cork invited me to his team as a starting member. I still have nothing to do with the management.
We are not slaves anyway. We get lots of special benefits and extra services in exchange for our hard work.
Quote from: "Akoss Poo"
What's this? He can't say what he wants? There's liberty of speech!!! Are we living in communism? Zak (I have a strong guess that Cork=Zak, since their opinion is always the same; and only Zak is who says that they don't know who is Cork, he is the only one who cares about this thing, other team members don't) please wake up, we are far from 1989 now!!!
Is this Stunts communism? There's a boss (Cork), and you have to lick his ass, like it was in the communist era with the communist leaders. You mustn't help others who are outside your small world (Team Cork's Crew), and you mustn't accept help of others. There's a free world, I said, Stunts is not only about teamwork, it's about good relationships with other teams, too.
After CTG said that he'd like to join our team, and the team members all agreed, Cork set the requirements and rules for CTG. You could not understand whats good in our team and why are our strong and strange rules good, unless you're inside. It's a free world, but if you are in Cork's Crew you have to follow the special team rules too. Just like when you work at a company. Every company has its own rule which can seem fair or unfair.
Nobody is forced to join The Crew. When they want to, the rules are told. And if they decide to join, yes, then they have to follow the rules which they agreed.
Like we all did except him.
B?????????????FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!!!
Never!? Forget (it)!
Watch your back Akoss, Cork's gorillas will probably hunt you down after this...
Hehe, I don't belong to him, I never signed any contract with him, I was never forced to lick his (shitty) ass. :P Unlike you. :P
BOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!!!!! :smt078
Hello!
I'm new here in the Forum and I feel bad to see you making so much arguements. I don't know if it's legal to help somebody from another team or not but before I joined Damage I used to get some help from Peti (CTG). It was a great help to me because I learned the main tricks of this wonderful game and I never think it's not valid. But he didn't help me after I became a Damage Inc member. That's why I think it's strange. He gave up helping me but he helps a better driver then him. Strange. But I think you must forgive this one to Akoss because he deserved the gold after a lot of silver positions. It's not cheating in my eyes but you can think whatever you want to think (democracy). I only say please finish arguements. This is a big family and not maffia, am I right? ;)
Z54 is good track anyway to return the original topic title. Jeep is one of my favorites! :)
Quote from: "Dottore"I used to get some help from Peti (CTG). It was a great help to me because I learned the main tricks of this wonderful game and I never think it's not valid. But he didn't help me after I became a Damage Inc member.
That's the fair Unskilled drivers championship. Somebody said before me "this is a big family and not maffia, am I right?"
:P
No of course it's not cheating Dottore, CTG just betrayed the team, and I hope Cork will throw him out of it, that's all. This is not Akoss' fault of course, I mean even I have occasionally received help from CTG, but if you want to be in Cork's Crew, you have to share your ideas, CTG didn't, so he can't be in Cork's Crew as far as I can see. That's all there is to it...
Quote from: "Dottore"But he didn't help me after I became a Damage Inc member. That's why I think it's strange. He gave up helping me but he helps a better driver then him. Strange.
I was a better driver than CTG. Now I wouldn't say that, and neither would CTG. When he was on the top, I was with Laura and I was an inactive driver. When I was on the top, he hadn't reached his top skills by that time.
About those who have a strong team spirit: there are some drivers who never had a strong team, although by his skills, he would have been destined to join one. On the other hand, there are some drivers, who are weak or not racing seriously, and he is in a strong team (I don't want to mention names). The first driver, who is racing seriously (increasing competition level with this), doesn't get any help; the other, the weak, the lazy, gets the help, although he deserves it less than the first person.
Quote from: "Bonzai Joe"No of course it's not cheating Dottore, CTG just betrayed the team, and I hope Cork will throw him out of it, that's all. This is not Akoss' fault of course, I mean even I have occasionally received help from CTG, but if you want to be in Cork's Crew, you have to share your ideas, CTG didn't, so he can't be in Cork's Crew as far as I can see. That's all there is to it...
While you have a strong team spirit, CTG has a strong 'country spirit'. He helped his country, his old class- and roommate, he didn't betrayed his country, is it such a big problem?
Occasionally got help from him? You occassionally drove Stunts this year (=even you didn't help him, let alone his other team members).
I have stayed away a bit but now I feel a bit urged to say sth about all this mess.
For me only one word fitting for this whole thing: kindergarden!
First of all you meet at the stunts meeting and everyone is having fun.Fun? That's usual alcohol and doing childish things.But I agree that can be fun at times,especially when there's a really good community feeling and everyone is like 'at home'.
But what happens then?
In contrast to the whole meeting spirit we now have something you could call another forum fight.
But how?
I don't see any pm's.I suppose there were no private mails/chats or anything.No the whole issue is taken to the forum.
By Alain first.That's ok,he is not in Corks Crew.And most importantly:He is no the most peacefull and sane person on this board.So that's predictable.
But then a post by Cork,giving CTG a last warning if I am able to tell after reading his dubious post.
I think the whole Cork thing is supposed to spill some fresh blood into the whole team thing.Make it more lively.But this mysterious 'Noone knows who is Cork' is not appropiate when you talk about serious team stuff.
We don't need any public Cork statement about who is getting warned or fired.Cork is small mind game,getting the last warning is reality.
So please,even if this is NOT being solved by personal PRIVATE communication.Don't use this Cork Puppet in such serious issues.
I could basically write the same thing about Bonzai Joe.PM e-mail,whatever and I have already told my opinion about this silly fight somewhere at the beginning of this rant.
Now I hear someone thinking or perhaps already planning to answer:Who is this guy to through the first stone.Wasn't he involved in a couple of fights earlier?
Yes I tell you.But this does not make anything better.
For me most of the community is a bit like a big kindergarden -AT TIMES-
Meaning it can be cool and fun also.
And the problem is not only the people fighting.It's also the other members who just sit there telling smart things:Oh please,you 2 stop fighting.You always need 2 people for a dispute.
Or:I don't want to get involved.
This rant is basically finished with this.I am aware it might have not been to pleasent to read for some persons but some things had to be said.
And I hope that if I will ever get fired it won't be by a post made by cork.
With all this being said:
Happy racing
And it's not sarcasm...
Dottore is right : arguements are useless.
Argammon is right too : where's the fun in these topics ?
I can understand that some teams refuse inter-team replay exchange, ok.
I can understand too that if CTG sent his replay to Akoss and not to the other members of his team they can be angry about him for that. But why such a big mess about this in the public forum ? Each team has a personnal zone in the forum and they can explain each other on it.
Anyway, What CTG did was not much different than the beginning of 2004 when Argammon shared his cut of the duel way track (Z34 if I remember it well) with Akoss Poo during a live race, and then it has been shared with the entire community.
About "I don't know who is Cork" sentence by Zak or "I need to talk with Cork" by BJ, I think they just tried to keep back the old ZakStunts forum spirit (you remember, the old forum, with the ads on the top) where some pipsqueaks where playing roles of the Stunts opponents. I read them all when I joined the community and found it really fun.
Creating a so-called "Master" of the team is the same spirit for me, and name Cork's Crew is really good according to Stunts.
Same spirit made other virtual avatars "Stunts Oracle" and "Stunts Oracle priests" and the fake interview I did of these "priests". Just for the fun.
Never forget the fun. :wink:
Quote from: "Akoss Poo"Quote from: "zaqrack"I guess not, Cork would have informed us on the team if that'd be the case.
Pleeeease finish this childish game that you don't know who is Cork. Pleeease only in team forum. You founded a team, but somebody got hold on your team you don't know, and you are slaves to him?
Ok, you wanna know ?
:smt029
I AM CORK !!! :smt029
Got a problem with that, buddy ?
Cork's Crew members are not my slaves, only women are. :prayer:
Now, go away you fools and start your engines !
Quote from: "Skid_Vicious"Cork's Crew members are not my slaves, only women are. :prayer:
I want to precise that I'm nobody's slave !
It's just that... You know... It happens sometimes that I wreck some expensive cars...
And Skid is the one who pay for the cars... So, I have to "please" him when he wants to...
Quote from: "BonzaiJoe"...you have to share your ideas, CTG didn't, so he can't be in Cork's Crew as far as I can see. That's all there is to it...
BJ: If you have a look at the team's forum then you can see I shared all of my replays with Cork's Crew in July. You had the access to my trick (yes BJ, you are a team member so you can download all the replays uploaded to 'Cork's Crew->ZCT53' topic - I guess you can read and find it with your sky-scarper IQ level) but Zak and you were too lazy to watch and use it. Akoss deserved the victory, don't make his happyness bitter!
Alan: USC is fair, I gave only MY OWN replay to learn from them to some newbies like Dottore, CTG or Pasquale in the last season.
Anyway I'm fed up with these attacks, especially from my own team. You GOT that replay and never watched - and now you say I haven't shown it, only to Akoss. Hopeless... :? But don't be afraid, I'll leave this team very soon, I only wait for "Cork's" last word. He'll fire me if he's as stupid as I think (respect in ruins :D). Think over what you want to say as a charge and if it's really true then act. If not then keep silent. Thank you!
Topic is closed for me from now.
QuoteUSC is fair, I gave only MY OWN replay to learn from them to some newbies like Dottore, CTG or Pasquale in the last season.
Is it fair that the manager helps half of the pipsqueaks?
QuoteAnyway I'm fed up with these attacks
You love to attack innocent people, so you deserve it.
Quoteespecially from my own team.
You don't have a team.
Now everybody knows what kind of fair pipsqueak/manager you are.
Quote from: "alanrotoi"QuoteUSC is fair, I gave only MY OWN replay to learn from them to some newbies like Dottore, CTG or Pasquale in the last season.
Is it fair that the manager helps half of the pipsqueaks?
QuoteAnyway I'm fed up with these attacks
You love to attack innocent people, so you deserve it.
Quoteespecially from my own team.
You don't have a team.
Now everybody knows what kind of fair pipsqueak/manager you are.
1, I helped only the newbies, except Dottore because I saw some fantasy in his racing. Now he has a team, they will help him.
2, I STILL have a team with angry teammates.
3, Alan, you are not my enemy. Please finish this one!
this was supposed to be a long post, but I'm just sad
I'm sad because:
-some people still can't realize this is only a game
-some people never heard of roleplay
-some people still can't trust other pipsqueaks
-some people still can't stand losing
-some people are not having fun because of others.
All my work is supposed to give fun for you and for me that's why I'm doing this all.
And some people ruin this.
(btw: kindergarden is not a good word for this. it was really great fun to be there. This is rather like secondary school, where people always tried to hurt the ones who they dislike/are better)
I've red through my post again and it sounds more harsh than I wanted it to.
Quote-some people never heard of roleplay
Of course I know about roleplay and it is surely great fun if everyone gets along well with each other.
But if -for example- Bonzai Joe says : 'I hope Cork will fire him'
it gets to far.
If Bonzai Joe wants CTG to be fired he should tell him directly that he wants him out and not hide behind Cork.
Again:Roleplay is great fun but not if serious matters are being discussed!
Quote-some people still can't realize this is only a game
So true,a lot of us take this to seriously at times.
Quote-some people still can't trust other pipsqueaks
-some people still can't stand losing
-some people are not having fun because of others.
That's right also.
QuoteAll my work is supposed to give fun for you and for me that's why I'm doing this all.
And some people ruin this.
Yes sad.
This is only the reflection of the big trouble is going to happen. The Stunts Gods are preparing a mass attack to conquer the earth. The human pipsqueaks must be united to this attack.
You only see about countries or teams, you don't know nothing about life. So fasten your seatbelts forget this fights and race stupid humans.
Oh my... this is serious!! We have to do something or our destiny will be to race in neil mc rae's tracks the rest of our lifes!!! We have to protect our main headquarters (zakstunts) because in a fair competition we can beat together even the stunts gods.
Yeah, a united Stunts pipsqueak spirit, that would be great! :D
Quote from: "alanrotoi"Oh my... this is serious!! We have to do something or our destiny will be to race in neil mc rae's tracks the rest of our lifes!!! We have to protect our main headquarters (zakstunts) because in a fair competition we can beat together even the stunts gods.
Talking about Neil's tracks, I found 2 tracks he made for his competition in 2001 with winner (only 1 pipsqueak, so he was an easy winner) times by Michael. No replay.
I'll update list file and add tracks for future version of Stunts CD.
Quote from: "CTG"BJ: If you have a look at the team's forum then you can see I shared all of my replays with Cork's Crew in July. You had the access to my trick (yes BJ, you are a team member so you can download all the replays uploaded to 'Cork's Crew->ZCT53' topic - I guess you can read and find it with your sky-scarper IQ level) but Zak and you were too lazy to watch and use it.
Really? Then I don't know why this mess is here. It seems this is not about not sharing the tricks with the team, it is about firing CTG from the team or about being envious that CTG gave the trick to me. This is very sad. Zak, I don't know why is it a problem when a friend of your teammate also gets the trick (from your teammate). You get a lot of tricks from your team, you always got, you can't feel when you are desperately searching for a trick and can't find it and need it from somewhere. It is so obvious for you that you always get the tricks, BUT this is not a problem, BUT after this, why it is when the other, who got far less help during his career (me), who never had a really strong team, also gets the trick. Now I can see this (this envy with your team's tricks - found by others) to be the only reason for your flaming after reading that CTG shared the trick for your team in team forum. I always watched with strange eyes that someone can get the trick (from team, from interteam alliances, from friends), and someone can't, and why, when everybody must have the same racing conditions. Only weak drivers have fear when giving the trick to other driver. (oh no, he will definitely beat me with that, and otherwise, he wouldn't...) I never had fear when I gave my tricks or section times to CTG (--->>> to his team).
Quote from: "CTG"Akoss deserved the victory, don't make his happyness bitter!
Very very true. None of the victories were followed by such arguments and bad feelings, but it was like the other victories in ZakStunts history. It happened many many times that somebody won with help from an other driver (teammate or not), but it seems this is only a problem when it is Akoss Poo who got that help. When Alain braked in the last section, giving the victory to Mingva with this, there was silence, when I got a shitty trick from my old room- class- and teammate, some people are flaming.
Quote from: "Krys TOFF"Anyway, What CTG did was not much different than the beginning of 2004 when Argammon shared his cut of the duel way track (Z34 if I remember it well) with Akoss Poo during a live race, and then it has been shared with the entire community.
I think I wasn't the only one in that live race event (or other drivers were asked to race with us, too, but they didn't want). By the way, Krys is right. Argammon wasn't afraid to share his trick. And then he had a glorious victory over us. Isn't it a better feeling that you beat all the drivers even with your help to them? Yes, it is. And Argammon knows this I guess.
Quote from: "alanrotoi"Is it fair that the manager helps half of the pipsqueaks?
We talked Alan about this many many times. When a new driver sees the elite times, he is just running away from the competition, and he needs some help. With this, he wants to increase the number of the pipsqueaks, which was your goal earlier, too. I don't know why you understood this earlier, and now, you can't. Helping some newbies, who are far away from your times, I don't know why this bothers you. Only because he is CTG or what?
Quote from: "zaqrack"I'm sad because:
-some people still can't realize this is only a game
-some people never heard of roleplay
-some people still can't trust other pipsqueaks
-some people still can't stand losing
-some people are not having fun because of others.
This argument is really not about these... :( :?
Roleplay? Is it only roleplay that you say in Cork's name to CTG that he can't say what he wants (about mysterious Argentinian pipsqueaks), because it is against your opinion and desires? Is it only roleplay that you say in Cork's name to CTG that he will be fired from your team? Send him a mail or call him directly, tell him to leave your team if you want this. (The same with BJ, Argammon is right when he said:
Quote from: "Argammon"If Bonzai Joe wants CTG to be fired he should tell him directly that he wants him out and not hide behind Cork.
)
Roleplay when Stunts drivers (Skid, Helen etc.) tells the news on the site, yes, this is funny. Argammon was totally right:
Quote from: "Argammon"Again:Roleplay is great fun but not if serious matters are being discussed!
But this wasn't right:
Quote from: "Krys TOFF"About "I don't know who is Cork" sentence by Zak or "I need to talk with Cork" by BJ, I think they just tried to keep back the old ZakStunts forum spirit (you remember, the old forum, with the ads on the top) where some pipsqueaks where playing roles of the Stunts opponents. I read them all when I joined the community and found it really fun.
This is too much optimism, I can't agree. Zak is the boss in the team but he tries to hide this by saying the most serious things in Cork's name. Because there's no other team where there's a boss. Everybody can say what they want, everybody can do what they want. They help each other, and they scores are added together. It's that easy, that is team work and team spirit and not more. I think Zak thinks this team thing too seriously, and he likes to be a boss although he is not proud of it. (Typical Sagittarius.)
Quote from: "Krys TOFF"Argammon is right too : where's the fun in these topics ?
In this topic, everybody is interested. When we are talking about funny topics, girls, music, beer, only few people are interested. If someone wants fun, he should go into those topics. But it seems the arguments interest everybody.
About Alain's constant barking: he is just trying to set me as a cheater. It's like when somebody in a company is trying to make the others believe that someone else farted. And everybody knows that he farted, he is only trying to hide this. It's the same, Alain wants the others to think about me as a cheater, in case they forget with this that Alain is the biggest cheater ever registered here in the Stunts World.
Quote from: "Argammon"First of all you meet at the stunts meeting and everyone is having fun.Fun? That's usual alcohol and doing childish things.But I agree that can be fun at times,especially when there's a really good community feeling and everyone is like 'at home'.
But what happens then?
In contrast to the whole meeting spirit we now have something you could call another forum fight.
It is very very interesting, worthy to think about this. Starting to attack, fire the winner who fought more than 3 years for this (and I still haven't deserved the Hungarian Anthem on the podium). The winner you meet or wanted to meet in Denmark a month ago, and had a good party with. Just because his friend gave him a trick. Now he is a cheater, and his friend who gave him the trick will soon be fired from the team. Is it right?
I didn't want to hurt anybody, my words are not useless attacks, I wrote these because I want you all to think a bit about my sentences.
BY THE WAY: LONG LIVE
FREE,
EQUAL AND PEACEFUL STUNTS WORLD!!![/b][/quote]
About helping newbies I am very agree, but i'm not agree about personal help. Publishing tricks as I did in 4dsl or like ctg did after in his competition is ok and very good. But sending a personal email to 1 or 2 pipsqueaks is wrong.
What would you say if (only for example!) now zak says (it's an example!!) "I helped Alain sending him tricks in 2003" Your first message will be "aaaah cheating blablabla unfair blablabla"
If CTG wanted to help newbies is great (and surprising!). BTW he chosed the illegal and unfair way as always!! If he wants to help newbies for example a legal way is inviting him to race zakstunts in your team. MeganiuM since 2003 was a team to make better pipsqueaks. Many of them left and others stayed but everybody learnt something about tricks. (ok ok eddie brother didn't ^_^).
That's an example of a legal way. I don't know why CTG always searches for the unfair methods.
Quote from: "Akoss Poo"
Really? Then I don't know why this mess is here. It seems this is not about not sharing the tricks with the team, it is about firing CTG from the team or about being envious that CTG gave the trick to me. This is very sad.
You are bloating the whole thing up.
It wasn't forbidden to CTG to help you. As far as I can remember we agreed in this when he joined, that he can sometimes help, but it shouldn't be a regular habit, and will not be seen as a good thing.
So in my opinion this fight is very very little about this aspect. It's about the ghost accusations in 95%. That's what I can't stand, and there was also a team agreenemnt that those will be 100% stopped from CTG's side. They didn't, they aren't.
Thats my problem.
Quote from: "Akoss Poo"
Quote from: "zaqrack"I'm sad because:
-some people still can't realize this is only a game
-some people never heard of roleplay
-some people still can't trust other pipsqueaks
-some people still can't stand losing
-some people are not having fun because of others.
This argument is really not about these... :( :?
[/quote]
For me it is, and it was mainly. as I described before.
Quote from: "Akoss Poo"
Roleplay? Is it only roleplay that you say in Cork's name to CTG that he
can't say what he wants (about mysterious Argentinian pipsqueaks), because it is against your opinion and desires? Is it only roleplay that you say in Cork's name to CTG that he will be fired from your team? Send him a mail or call him directly, tell him to leave your team if you want this. (The same with BJ, Argammon is right when he said:
Look, if that message would have been deadly serious it'd have been sent in my name and in private.
Roleplay would have been if CTG would have replied to Cork, telling his opinion. That's roleplay.
Quote from: "Argammon"If Bonzai Joe wants CTG to be fired he should tell him directly that he wants him out and not hide behind Cork.
Let me remind you that CTG is still on probation time in the team, as many of the members didn't support his join, only agreed. Looks like it had a reason, as we can now see how he turns against the team instead of keeping up the Cork spirit.
Quote from: "Argammon"Again:Roleplay is great fun but not if serious matters are being discussed!
It was never serious, rather a warning & joke which turned out to be a bad one. Sorry from my side.
Quote
This is too much optimism, I can't agree. Zak is the boss in the team but he tries to hide this by saying the most serious things in Cork's name.
OK I'll explain thei only once and never again.
I'm not the boss. Cork is also a democratic team, all the members have the same rights. As noone has time/wants to care about the team matters, I do that. I recruit new members, I maintain the team site (LOL :)), and keep the whole thing together if needed.
Cork wasnt born for the team members. Cork was born for the other pipsqueaks. Cork's purpose is to make our team seem different from the others. To make it feel unique and strange.
Cork promised once 100000$ for me if I win.
Cork promised once one hot babe for BJ for each win he gets
Cork promised CTG to be fired from the team.
Get the point? Which one of these are real promises? None.
He wasn't a puppet for me to hide that I'm a boss - what I am not anyway.
And most of us in the team liked it and played like he is existing really.
And it was so funny to see some really believe it.
This was exactly the point why I didnt support CTG joining to CC when he applied. I knew he is unable to play/enjoy a game like this.
Anyway it doesnt matter noe.
Now with post this is over, and Cork is dead.
He was a good leader.
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It is very very interesting, worthy to think about this. Starting to attack, fire the winner who fought more than 3 years for this (and I still haven't deserved the Hungarian Anthem on the podium). The winner you meet or
You haven't deserved, bah. Why the hell do you feel the whole world hates you? I haven't moved a single bit on the site since august the 2nd, since I have a full-time job at the moment, and have to upkeep a househol, which is very demanding for me. Simply forgot it and had no time.
You haven't deserved. Justice for Akoss Poo? :-S Don't make me laugh.
You were very hard on me, accused me lots of times and insulted my girlfriends. Somehow I was able to forgive you this all, and I thought we were set on good terms, and then you still come with rubbish like this that you're still undervalued in my eye.
Sorry I got a bit angry.
I don't want to hold a grudge on anyone, I take good and bad critics, and try to learn from them.
That Cork post wasn't funny OK. My mistake. So to clear up that CTG thing finally:
If CTG will be fired it'd have never been because of him sharing replays. It'll be because he can't stop ghost insulting (which are still not funny)
And if he'll be really truly about to be fired it wont be told by Cork in the public forum. It'll be told by me in private. And the it was the same until now too.
anthem is updated. enjoy ;)
and sorry for the delay
I didn't know it was mainly about the ghost accusations.
I actually believed the whole ghost thing was a kind of joke,which noone really believed and which was only pushed a bit to far by Akoss and CTG.
But maybe I am mistaken?
Anyways I think most things have been said so I would propose we continue the CTG issue at the team forum..........
Quote from: "Argammon"
But maybe I am mistaken?
I get lots of complaining messages and mails from the Argentinian pipsqueaks that it is very disturbing for them to be insulted all the time, and that they don't acknowledge their skills.
Zak's right about the ghosts issue. We're tired of reading about it everything single time we come here. Many of the members stop it but not all of them and they keep bothering us. They only complain because we were on the podium several times and they wouldn't care if we where far from the winning times.
I think you have to deal with it.
When a certain someone was 'disturbing' me for years,after I left his team,there were only very few who seem to have cared...
One thing is true. The envy-ghost acusations make us stronger and united.
So thanks to the "judges".
Right Alan!! That's helping us a lot if we consider we are racing very well and we are getting lots of points
Wow, we are really skilled at making big fights over small things.
As you might have noticed, I have been very inactive and not raced for the last couple of months. I reacted the way I did because I was under the impression that CTG had not shared this trick with Cork's Crew after what I heard. If indeed he has, I don't see much reason why he should be fired, as I don't have a big problem with inter-team replay exchanging (except sharing with competitors in really important battles). But if Cork wants him gone for ghost accusations, my comment is: "whatever".
And seriously, if you think the Cork thing is going too far, that's not our problem... Remember that Stunts is only a game. There is not even money involved, so everyone should just relax. I'm sorry for my dramatic reactions, but I want you to know that during one of the posts I was extremely drunk.
Stunts and Grog! :drinkers:
And for Argammon: did you expect us to discuss existential philosophy at the meeting? We had fun and raced, I suppose that's what most of us came for! (and may I remind you too that CTG was not at the meeting).
Now let's forget about this. I apologize to CTG for judging him on a dubious foundation. I will let Cork handle team contracts, and then get back to hex-editing... sorry, racing!
Do any of you see my avatar? Because I only see an X on it. Damn it Dark, you overtook me but it's not over yet!!!
I also see an X...
Quote from: "alanrotoi"if CTG wanted to help newbies is great (and surprising!). BTW he chosed the illegal and unfair way as always!! If he wants to help newbies for example a legal way is inviting him to race zakstunts in your team. MeganiuM since 2003 was a team to make better pipsqueaks. Many of them left and others stayed but everybody learnt something about tricks.
Well, it can happen that there's no place in his team, or he don't want to promote to his team immediately, he is only testing their skills, and when somebody is looking really talented, he get him into his team. Helping somebody outside somebody's team is not cheating, and it is not unfair or illegal. When CTG finds a driver it's like when a trainer finds a very talented athlete, for example a javelin thrower. The trainer doesn't say to him that throw that javelin the way you wants. He wants to teach him, it is his challenge, he feels that is his challenge. He shows him how to throw, show the technique, show the movements. It is the same with CTG. But he can't travel to the drivers he wants to help. Only sends private emails and sends replays. Okay, when we started driving, nobody taught, helped us - because we were the trailblazers. The first athletes also didn't have a trainer. So we have to search for talented drivers, train them, show them the skills, pass the knowledge. Their results will be partly our deeds, too. So we have to follow this way. There are drivers who follows this spirit instead of hard team chains spirit (Zak, you, etc.). This is a very nice mission, and there's nothing unfair in it. Especially when we are inactive pipsqueaks, when we are beyond the high point of our career, like YOU.
Quote from: "alanrotoi"What would you say if (only for example!) now zak says (it's an example!!) "I helped Alain sending him tricks in 2003" Your first message will be "aaaah cheating blablabla unfair blablabla"
Well, bad example, the drivers CTG discovered are not Alain. They aren't such talented, they need help. Alain is good without anybody's help. Look, CTG helps everyone, he helped me, and he helps the drivers he discovered, too. And he was helped by others many many times, I think it is fair. About Alain's cheating: I never said he is cheating with his replays. He became a cheater in the eyes of the world when it was spread that he creates the hard parts of Mingva's replays, he did Myron's last replay when he had been a retired driver. It was also spread that he might have been using hexeditor for creating replays. I only said this and that Zak's tracks are favouring him. But helping Alain is not cheating.
Quote from: "zaqrack"As far as I can remember we agreed in this when he joined, that he can sometimes help, but it shouldn't be a regular habit, and will not be seen as a good thing.
It was the first time I got help from CTG this year. Remember the first half of the year? I was pushing Laura in the bed instead of the arrow keys on the keyboard. So it isn't his regular habit since he joined your team. Why is it not seen as a good thing? Maybe later your team can get help from me, too. And Stunts is not only individual and team competition, it is competition of nations and friend groups, too.
Quote from: "zaqrack"So in my opinion this fight is very very little about this aspect. It's about the ghost accusations in 95%.
Once I wrote at least 30 lines about why we are looking with strange eyes on them, somewhere in the forum. There were no reactions on it. You didn't react, and the Argentinians also didn't react on it, so there were no explanations, there were no reasons not to continue this.
And why Usrin doesn't say that I shouldn't write such things on the forum, it is bad for the celebrity of the team? Because everybody says what he wants. But some people still doesn't know this.
Quote from: "zaqrack"Let me remind you that CTG is still on probation time in the team
Is it fair to do this with such a great driver? If I were you, I would be very happy if CTG's points are counting for my team.
Quote from: "zaqrack"Cork wasnt born for the team members. Cork was born for the other pipsqueaks. Cork's purpose is to make our team seem different from the others. To make it feel unique and strange.
Cork promised once 100000$ for me if I win.
Cork promised once one hot babe for BJ for each win he gets
Cork promised CTG to be fired from the team.
Get the point? Which one of these are real promises? None.
He wasn't a puppet for me to hide that I'm a boss - what I am not anyway.
Ah now I see, okay. But until you don't know this (like those who were outside the team), you have a different view on it. I think my reactions on the Cork part were quite rightful because of it.
Quote from: "zaqrack"And it was so funny to see some really believe it.
Who believed in him? Anyone? :D
Quote from: "zaqrack"This was exactly the point why I didnt support CTG joining to CC when he applied. I knew he is unable to play/enjoy a game like this.
This is true, he can't have a view on the game like this, but for a superb driver like him, it can't be a reason for not supporting him to get into the team. And imagine, he really didn't know that he wasn't supported because of THIS. He should have felt really bad.
Quote from: "zaqrack"Now with post this is over, and Cork is dead.
Rest in peace.
Quote from: "zaqrack"You haven't deserved, bah. Why the hell do you feel the whole world hates you? I haven't moved a single bit on the site since august the 2nd, since I have a full-time job at the moment, and have to upkeep a househol, which is very demanding for me. Simply forgot it and had no time.
I attracted your attention on this at site news once in early August, and I thought you had seen it but hadn't find it important to change the midi file. I understand that you have a tiring job now, I knew this before, too, but I thought you read my message on the board. It was again only a small miscomprehension, which was seen becoming big when other things came up.
Quote from: "zaqrack"insulted my girlfriends
Well, don't feel specially hurt for this. Many people, friends, too were insulted for their girlfriends by me. When I'm sad and depressed, these are usual reactions from me. There's a friend of mine who understood this by his own, without telling this to him. He doesn't really know me better than you, but somehow really understands who is Akoss Poo deep inside.
Quote from: "zaqrack"Somehow I was able to forgive you this all, and I thought we were set on good terms, and then you still come with rubbish like this that you're still undervalued in my eye.
Okay, maybe last time I was a bit hard, some words were undeserved, sorry for that. I'm not holding a grudge with you. Sometimes, especially when I'm basically in bad mood (it is the state of things since Laura left me), it is hard to control myself, hard to understand things (missing anthem, throwing the shit to CTG, bearing Alain's undeserved attack, which caused the decreasing popularity of prediction game, some people prefer maleish girls), heavy reactions are coming, but without getting angry to you. We are a different world, this and my mood controls these occassional affairs, please don't take it so seriously, it is not because I'm hurt, it is not because I'm angry at you, it is... it is because i'm such a complicated soul. I feel almost everywhere that I'm undervalued when I'm sad and lonely like now, and I'm taking up every small things which are not good for me as a sign of negative discrimination. I'm really looking for a comfortable and happy life to grow this out. Once again sorry for that.
Quote from: "zaqrack"It'll be because he can't stop ghost insulting
At least they should try to send us signs (not only Chulk!) that they really exist, they really belong to the community, that they are men, differerent men, with different habits, they use different words (forum!) from each other, they have different strengths and weak points of driving and things like this. I can't believe only in sent-in replays with a single name and a flag. I don't want to treat them as ghosts, I want to know them. I want that when I see their name on the scoreboard, let me be able to connect some things to that name. For example like Krys Toff - oh yes, the horny Frenchman. :D
Quote from: "zaqrack"anthem is updated. enjoy
and sorry for the delay
Thanks. Not a problem anymore. :)
Quote from: "BonzaiJoe"(except sharing with competitors in really important battles).
But it was not of that kind of battles. His final replay was weaker than Ayrton's leader, he gave me the trick. I guess in case I can beat him. And I did it. ;)
Quote from: "BonzaiJoe"And for Argammon: did you expect us to discuss existential philosophy at the meeting? We had fun and raced, I suppose that's what most of us came for!
Very true. :) And let's hope next year we will have another funny meeting with lot of interesting things to do, and with great races. :)
Quote from: "BonzaiJoe"Now let's forget about this.
The best idea. :D
Bonzai Joe:
Yes I did.And I was hoping you would discuss and understand the relativity theory and some of it's flaws also.
I am horrified that you didn't.
Of course we did find some flaws in the theory of relativity during the meeting, inbetween the races. We were going to publish it, but then we spilled P?linka on the paper...
Quote from: "Akoss Poo"Well, it can happen that there's no place in his team, or he don't want to promote to his team immediately, he is only testing their skills, and when somebody is looking really talented, he get him into his team. Helping somebody outside somebody's team is not cheating, and it is not unfair or illegal. When CTG finds a driver it's like when a trainer finds a very talented athlete, for example a javelin thrower. The trainer doesn't say to him that throw that javelin the way you wants. He wants to teach him, it is his challenge, he feels that is his challenge. He shows him how to throw, show the technique, show the movements. It is the same with CTG. But he can't travel to the drivers he wants to help. Only sends private emails and sends replays. Okay, when we started driving, nobody taught, helped us - because we were the trailblazers. The first athletes also didn't have a trainer. So we have to search for talented drivers, train them, show them the skills, pass the knowledge. Their results will be partly our deeds, too. So we have to follow this way. There are drivers who follows this spirit instead of hard team chains spirit (Zak, you, etc.). This is a very nice mission, and there's nothing unfair in it. Especially when we are inactive pipsqueaks, when we are beyond the high point of our career, like YOU..
If CTG wants to help only
selected people in his competition it's ok. I don't race there anymore. As you said everybody says what they want so I say/think it is unfair.
Quote from: "AkossPoo"When CTG finds a driver it's like when a trainer finds a very talented athlete, for example a javelin thrower. The trainer doesn't say to him that throw that javelin the way you wants. He wants to teach him, it is his challenge, he feels that is his challenge. He shows him how to throw, show the technique, show the movements. It is the same with CTG. But he can't travel to the drivers he wants to help. Only sends private emails and sends replays.
Bad example. It is a total different situation. The good example would be if the FIFA helps to a single team to win the world cup. (Always talking about USC) is it fair?
FIFA and CTG = Organization, manager of the competition. Right? football teams and stunts pipsqueaks = competitor. Am I right? So if the organization helps only one team or one pipsqueak... Is it fair? Quote from: "AkossPoo"They aren't such talented, they need help. Alain is good without anybody's help. Look, CTG helps everyone, he helped me, and he helps the drivers he discovered, too. And he was helped by others many many times, I think it is fair. About Alain's cheating: I never said he is cheating with his replays. He became a cheater in the eyes of the world when it was spread that he creates the hard parts of Mingva's replays, he did Myron's last replay when he had been a retired driver. It was also spread that he might have been using hexeditor for creating replays. I only said this and that Zak's tracks are favouring him. But helping Alain is not cheating.
Now Alain is talented. I remember reading pages and pages wrote by you about how he cheated and made his replays with a hexaeditor. So you said all of that only to get him out of the competition. Like you did with Mingva and like you did with Chulk and Ayrton. From my eyes to act this way is just envy and some kind of hate. If CTG couldn't beat somebody with the competition rules he will search for top pipsqueaks replays. If he can't neither he will say you cheated. He can't stand the situation of not to be the best all the time. Please don't copy this behavior.
Alan: FIFA= buisness, USC= just a game. I help people to improve their skills - I did it with almost all the newbies (except Gutix, but he was so fast and overtook me on Kaposv?r using only his own tricks). Btw my tricks are published in 'Tricks & Shortcuts' section on USC site when there's a need for it. Available for everybody, even for you. Am I a cheater? If you want to think this...
I want to believe in Ayrton and Co. but I can't (maybe I won't ever trust in their existing as I told somewhere earlier). BUT! I never attacked people because I couldn't beat them. Only behaviour, personality and the lack of it (Ayrton) counts. Have I ever attacked BJ, Argammon, Alan, Zak, Akoss, Usrin, etc. because of their better position on the scoreboard? NO! If I insulted them it was always about another thing (let me not to list these attacks again, it would be a long one... :)).
TOPIC: ZCT 54, just to make you remember it. :wink:
Track is a high level one from Akoss as usual. Although I don't like it I admit it's a masterpiece for LM002. I think I won't finish in TOP5 this time because I don't really feel the track but I'll try my best (blabla, CTG is a liar again, he'll win - thinks Usrin :lol: ). I hope my earlier students, Dark Chaser and Dottore will make a surprise and finish on the podium. I know they are both fast with the Lambo Jeep. :)
I only don't like the part after banked road: the jump-corner-loop. This week I will definitely send under 1:43.
Akoss, I have a nice trick again. :-D Kidding.
Anyway, think on Jordan Toyota's rear wings racing in EU (no smoking, please :D) in the last sector. :wink: Public help. :D
CTG: Kurva any?d baszd meg, d?g?lj meg! :twisted:
CTG:
Kurva sz?dat, tosz?dj meg!
Kurva sz?dat, tosz?dj meg!
Jaaaajjjj!!! Te kis puncip?c?gtet?! Te kis T?r? Rudi!
Sz?tbaszom a fejed!
Kurva sz?dat, tosz?dj meg!
Kurva sz?dat, tosz?dj meg!
http://bolyai.elte.hu/~usrin/kurvaszadat.mp3 :P
I'm going to get out, and scatter the pee! :-D
I've slipped on the hen shit! :-)
Congratulations To The Winners
alto podio de dos
Akoss: Rosszul fogadt?l, sopt?l, te fasz! :-D
~You bet wrong, you sucked, dick!
Congratulations Ayrton!!
I feel like when I was after Asunci?n (IRC track, also built by me). Same kind of track. Long, very tricky and full of new element and curve combinations, including lot of sharp curves. It turned out while I was driving that this track doesn't really suit me. I went badly, I wasn't good enough, I didn't do enough, finished only 4th 2 seconds off the pace...
By the way, it was the 6th longest track of ZakStunts history, and the longest track since ZCT 17.
ZakStunts longest tracks Top 10:
1 ZCT01 1:53,60
2 ZCT08 1:47,15
3 ZCT03 1:45,30
4 ZCT15 1:39,40
5 ZCT17 1:38,15
6 ZCT54 1:37,25
7 ZCT20 1:36,55
8 ZCT30 1:36,30
9 ZCT36 1:31,45
10 ZCT45 1:29,20
I suppose the longest track in meters was ZCT20 then
Quote from: "BonzaiJoe"I suppose the longest track in meters was ZCT20 then
Sure
What about the shortest tracks (in seconds)? I think ZCT55 will be amongst them...
Races in ZSC being shorter then the current leading time on ZCT55:
ZCT38 - 35.25
ZCT23 - 42.40
ZCT32 - 43.50
ZCT29 - 44.70
ZCT34 - 51.85
ZCT10 - 56.40
ZCT21 - 58.50
ZCT26 - 1:00.65
ZCT16 - 1:01.00
Quote from: "Usrin"http://bolyai.elte.hu/~usrin/kurvaszadat.mp3 :P
Little help to the others: you can hear the Looping Warriors, CTG and Costa(R) in this mp3. :D
A translation?
I can only understand one part of it, I think you can guess which part it is :roll:
:D
try to recognize the voices of each people :wink:
Usrin/Akoss, shall I hope a perfect translation from you or is it my turn now? :lol:
Quote from: "CTG"Races in ZSC being shorter then the current leading time on ZCT55:
ZCT38 - 35.25
ZCT23 - 42.40
ZCT32 - 43.50
ZCT29 - 44.70
ZCT34 - 51.85
ZCT10 - 56.40
ZCT21 - 58.50
ZCT26 - 1:00.65
ZCT16 - 1:01.00
Already 6th...
Quote from: CTG on August 24, 2005, 10:24:13 AM
Anyway, think on Jordan Toyota's rear wings racing in EU (no smoking, please :D) in the last sector. :wink: Public help. :D
Erm... was it Be On Edge? ;D