Dear pipsqueaks,
I'm planning some changes for 2007. Don't worry, ZakStunts and my server will still exist of course.
Major changes are happening in my life, I'm finishing education with the end of 2006, only some exams left and a 5 months management practice. I don't know yet if it'll mean more free time or less - probably less, but I almost had no time for my projects (like ZS) in this semester.
On the other hand, I feel zakstunts needs a major change. The current system is running with little changes since 3 seasons - it got boring imho. Also it'll be the 7th Zakstunts season coming - come on, seven years... incredible, even for me!
Meanwhile, as time goes by even though intresting and great new competitions are born and going on, the old pipsqueaks are leaving us one by one.
I reconsidered starting to advertise the site again heavily - to gain more pipsqueaks, but then I found out I don't want to do that.
I'd rather like to organize a nice little competition for those who are here since years, or just for a shorter time, but actively participating in the community. For my friends.
I'd like to make this topic partly a brainstroming session. Write here what you'd like to have at ZakStunts, and this aimed especially for the leaving oldies - what would you like to come back?
I want to upkeep this community and don't want to lose my friends.
I plan MAJOR changes. ZakStunts will probably leave behind the "monthly competition idea" - there are many more Stunts competitions like that now, and the admins are doing a better job than I do.
These changes are described in the next post. If you're curious, go on and read.
Well let's see. This is the third time I start writing this post - and I have my ideas gathered now finally. :D
ZakStunts 2007 will be a competition for teams. This also means, newbies can't really join throughout the season - as I said before I plan ZS to be a competition for my friends and the currently active pipsqueaks.
New pipsqueaks will be redirected to SDR or USC. Mark, CTG I need your opinion on this. Can you/ Would you like to handle the excess workload coming with the new pipsqueaks?
Teams will be consisting of 3 members. Most of the teams now have only 2-3 active members, even though the member limit is 5 pipsqueak. 5 pipsqueak teams can gather a new member and divide to two teams. National teams could also be formed - it's all up to you.
If there are three newbies wanting to join ZS thorugh the season of course they can enter by forming a team - but this won't be the point in 2007.
Teams have to enlist in december/ early january - the battle starts in late january/february and lasts until the end of the year.
Each member should be an active pipsqueak who races through the whole year. I expect at least 4 teams to enlist, 5 would be great - if there won't be 3, I'll reconsider this whole thing.
I'd like to see the old regulars coming back - this won't be about individual winning but having fun with your team. So it doesn't matter if your arrow key is missing, you can only race under winXP or from 3am to 4am - just come and sign up!
Rule plan:
*Tracks won't appear monthly, rather in a 6 week or 2 months period.
*Each track will be multi-way, and will have 3 ways.
*There will be 3 cars selected each month. You can race with those.
*Teams divide the ways between their members. Each pipsqueak will have one way assigned, and has to race there. Rules are not OWOOT, but there'll be boundaries set (shown on an overall map) which you cannot cross. Switching ways is absolutely forbidden.
*Each team assigns a car from the 3 selected to each way. It's not regulated though which to which, it's up to the team - but all of the cars have to be used, you can't select the indy for all the ways. So there may be different setups for each team -resulting different times.
*Alternatively, team members can select first the car - according to how they like them, and then the way. This is the team's decision I wont interfere.
*Each team member races his assigned way with the selected car until the deadline.
*The times achieved by the three members are added together and that is the teams result for
that month.
*There is another track released with the 'team track' each month - and this will always have a special rule. Well-known examples:
-hit all the signs
-cross all the fuel stations
-OWOOT
-each jump = 1 sec penalty
-all replays are public
-etc...
*Everyone can race these extra tracks, but from each team only THE BEST result counts. The best 3 teams get a time bonus for the team competition (like best team -3 sec, second best -2 third -1)
This is also the race, where not only teams can join - it'll be open to the public and will also have a seasonal results table. Remember, track interval here will be also set longer - 6/8 weeks.
This means the public ZS race will have ALWAYS a special rule.
Well these are the main guidelines.
Discuss here, and please note if you'd like to join - if there are already teams formed - go on and write the member list.
Wow, as you said : MAJOR changes.
I like the idea of tracks with special rules. But one with "one jump = 1 second penalty", argh ! It will be difficult.
3 members per team, well, it will make some discussions in teams forum. :D
The idea of divided ways with different cars per way reminds me the beginning of FranceStunts in 2002. It's a good idea. One question about this : will it be possible to change car/pipsqueak/way during the month or will we have to decide it at the beginning and won't be able to change ?
As for me, sure I'll race.
Quote from: Krys TOFF on November 28, 2006, 03:21:17 PM
One question about this : will it be possible to change car/pipsqueak/way during the month or will we have to decide it at the beginning and won't be able to change ?
yes, this question popped up in my mind too.
When not allowed - it's unfair I guess, a bad choice can ruin your race
When allowed - each pipsqueak has to drive a new lap in the team
I guess there will be a deadline (like 2 weeks after track release), when teams have to fix the car choice.
Quote from: zaqrack on November 28, 2006, 03:49:39 PM
Quote from: Krys TOFF on November 28, 2006, 03:21:17 PM
One question about this : will it be possible to change car/pipsqueak/way during the month or will we have to decide it at the beginning and won't be able to change ?
yes, this question popped up in my mind too.
When not allowed - it's unfair I guess, a bad choice can ruin your race
When allowed - each pipsqueak has to drive a new lap in the team
I guess there will be a deadline (like 2 weeks after track release), when teams have to fix the car choice.
That's good then. Test the different possibilities and then choose. Also according to other teams choices. Strategy will be important.
What about point system ? Each way will have its own scoreboard, so its own points. But it's a team competition now so only one scoreboard for the competition with sum of team points for each track, right ?
Another question : how to avoid one pipsqueak to race 2 or maybe all ways instead of his partners ? ???
the same way as we prevented one team member racing for other members until now -> no way.
about scoreboards: there will be an overall for each track with the time sum, and of course there'll be a detailed one where you can sort times either by way or car or team
as for the seasonal points - yes, only team scores.
Oh my God... I feel bad after reading this posts. I always thought ZakStunts is the one above the other contests - more pipsqueaks, heavier battles, higher prestige. I can't understand why to change but of course I accept your opinion and your wish. Your decision.
Making smaller teams would screw up many things. Just think on Meganium, Orion and Damage: sometimes they have 4 or 5 active members in the same time. It would be a mistake to cut those teams. About racing rules change - well, I don't like them. ZakStunts was always famous for the freedom in absolving incredible tricks. Changing would be a major loss for the whole community.
Your site is almost automatic, you don't have to manage it so heavily if there's no bug. I suggest to keep this kind of competition.
If you want to change then do it. Newbies can always come to USC but I hope there will be ZakStunts for them too.
I also understand your point, but lately:
-ZS doesn't have more pipsqueaks
-battles are very quiet (since Z64 only 40-70 replays/month, earlier 70-130)
-I miss the old pipsqueaks (and this is very important)
I also felt a bit that ZakStunts has lost its soul - too automatic, no interaction. I like not to have much work - but dislike losing contact with you.
Of course I've also considered to start such a team competition besid the other one - but I don't want to press down the other competitions.
btw if you'd like to borrow the ZS automatic system - I'll gladly pass it through, I had lots of work with the pointsystem and don't want to waste it all.
Thanks for the offer but I like to manage my competition this way. But maybe I borrow some kind of file upload thing in the future.
Another idea : keep ZakStunts (ZS) the way it is but with the help of other members to design tracks if you want to concentrate on your new project, and create a "Stunts Team Challenge" with your ZS 2007 idea. ;)
Don't forget that USC and SDR use only the fast cars. WRCStunts use slow cars with shortcuts but it's the last rally right now.
And with your new concept shortcuts will be limited so even if you use all the cars it won't be a free ride like ZS is. With keeping current ZS concept alive, even if somebody else manage it, there will always be some fully free ride with all Stunts cars. 8)
Quote from: Krys TOFF on November 28, 2006, 09:59:55 PM
Don't forget that USC and SDR use only the fast cars.
False. USC had already all the cars in race. Except LM002 and Carrera. :)
I also vote for keeping current ZSC and the other idea would be fun if running parallel to the main contest.
well okay if you like the current ZS this much, it's fine with me.
Want many designers though! :)
and still - if you are intrested in the team race - enlist here!
I want to list my name with Bonzai Joe and Ayrton. :D
If I can't then... hmmm... CTG and CTG. ;D
We can form another teams for this special contest than the original ones. But let's see how they decide and after that I'll join one.
Well - my team is dead and I'm racing for my own bill (and fun! And that's what it's all about for me! See, that's a very ancient attitude... :-X). And I guess no one wants a declared bad pipsqueak in his team... :-[ Also I don't think that the best-time-idea is good, that will motivate people like me not to race at all. I like to see my name on the scoreboard even if my time was supercrap. :-\
OIf you want some help in tracks things I will gladly design the Indy track for you. ;D
Quote from: JTKWell - my team is dead and I'm racing for my own bill (and fun! And that's what it's all about for me! See, that's a very ancient attitude... :-X). And I guess no one wants a declared bad pipsqueak in his team... :-[
I still don't had any feedback from my teammates, but 4 (according to Pedro's lack of activity and news, I consider him out of memberlist for 2007) Damage Inc. members means 2 sub-teams.
Why not a team Leo-JTK-DJ (due to poor racing activity of DJ :P ), and a team SB-me-somebody else (Mark ? interested ? ;D) ?
Krys: we can form a team if you want to. :D
On the other hand I have an idea to make the team contest sharper, maybe you won't like it.
Make 3 groups from the pipsqueaks selected by performance (A is the best, C is the worst). Every team must have an A, B and C driver. :)
I put myself in Group B ;D
(Sorry for telling this in 3 separate posts but idea came later and I'm too lazy to edit posts)
Quote from: CTG(Sorry for telling this in 3 separate posts but idea came later and I'm too lazy to edit posts)
You can edit your post with the use of the "modify" button. :P
Quote from: JTK on November 29, 2006, 10:28:22 AMAnd I guess no one wants a declared bad pipsqueak in his team... :-[ Also I don't think that the best-time-idea is good, that will motivate people like me not to race at all. I like to see my name on the scoreboard even if my time was supercrap. :-\
team competition is about fun, so why should someone not for a team with you?
endless possibilities await:
-German team
-Stunts musical team
-Stunts oldies team
-Competition managers team
we'll see what'll be sorted out :)
YOu misunderstood somehwere the best time idea - everyone appears on the scoreboard, just only the best/team counts for the team race.
Quote from: zaqrack-Stunts oldies team
Well, who will race with JTK and I in this group ? :D AbuRaf ?
edit : Or Mark ! He is older than JTK and I, I just checked the pipsqueaks page of ZakStunts ! :D
edit 2 : pipsqueaks page, lol ! Of course it's r*a*c*e*r*s page. ;)
Quote from: Krys TOFF link=topic=1857.msg25868#msg25868
i]edit : [/i] Or Mark ! He is older than JTK
look who's talking! :D :D
beer lovers team
Quote from: CTGbeer lovers team
this team name is Looping Warriors already. ;D
Nope, we are beer/wine/p?linka/weed fanatics ;D
Are you smoking weed now too?
I'm going for the "inactive old pipsqueaks who only race once a year because beating the newbies (i.e. Renato Biker, Ayrton and CTG) is just such a damn demanding piece of hard work and anyway we've already won so many races that one more or less doesn't mean anything and our right-arrow keys keep breaking so I guess even if we tried, there would be no success to come for" team together with Argammon and Alan Rotoi.
CTG is not a newbie, anyway LOL.
No weed. ;D
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on November 29, 2006, 07:00:54 PM
Are you smoking weed now too?
I'm going for the "inactive old pipsqueaks who only race once a year because beating the newbies (i.e. Renato Biker, Ayrton and CTG) is just such a damn demanding piece of hard work and anyway we've already won so many races that one more or less doesn't mean anything and our right-arrow keys keep breaking so I guess even if we tried, there would be no success to come for" team together with Argammon and Alan Rotoi.
without joking - convince them and form this team! :)
I'll then ground the "seafood team" with JTK :)
What, the splaph team? Seas don't eat, as far as I know...
Quote from: zaqrack on November 29, 2006, 08:26:30 PM
I'll then ground the "seafood team" with JTK :)
O.k., THAT one is good! I'll definitely join! Like Palinka lifve race rules we should do the same with seafood here - eating seafood each time you don't finish without RH! ;D :D ;D :D ;D
wow I want to be in so many teams we'll have to allow multiple teams - and then we can also draw the stunts social team network :)
-insult Mingva or !kick Mingva team? Nostalgia. ;D
I like the idea but I guess teams will have many problems to split
Original team remains in normal contest but we can form some new lazier groups - you don't have to be Meganium pipsqueak there. It will be over the classic team forms.
Quote from: JTK on November 29, 2006, 10:28:22 AM
Well - my team is dead and I'm racing for my own bill (and fun! And that's what it's all about for me! See, that's a very ancient attitude... :-X). And I guess no one wants a declared bad pipsqueak in his team... :-[ Also I don't think that the best-time-idea is good, that will motivate people like me not to race at all. I like to see my name on the scoreboard even if my time was supercrap. :-\
1. And casual pipsqueaks wont be welcome anymore, because we would spoil the good work of the frequent ones.
2. Another thing - thats very nice everybody saying to just run for fun, but teams still wanna strong times to win, so... no place for middle class pipsqueaks too.
CTG?s suggest is good (teams with pipsqueaks class A+B+C), problem number 2 solve, but not problem number 1.
It seems like the G-8 competition, elite of the elite (elite meaning not only strong pipsqueaks but whole-season drivers).
Like others said, ZS has the most prestige and professional competition among the stunts comunity, and its nice to put your name together with the top dogs (like CTG and gelato baker ;))
well, Im a little busy to explain my opinion properly right now...
Quote from: vamologocomisso on November 30, 2006, 12:58:33 PM
1. And casual pipsqueaks wont be welcome anymore, because we would spoil the good work of the frequent ones.
Oh, yes, but I think, Zak wanted them to go to other contests (like mine ;D), but Zak, do you really want to close ZakStunts, the - I guess - best known contest in the world for newbies and not-team-pipsqueaks? :o
Quote from: vamologocomisso on November 30, 2006, 12:58:33 PM
CTG?s suggest is good (teams with pipsqueaks class A+B+C), problem number 2 solve, but not problem number 1.
I do not really like the idea - who will rate who? Maybe that will lead to misunderstandings...? ???
Quote from: JTK on November 30, 2006, 02:17:33 PM
I do not really like the idea - who will rate who? Maybe that will lead to misunderstandings...? ???
Worldranklist, Mark's ranklist or just the results of some competitions. Everyhing can be desribed by simple numbers. :)
Quote from: CTG on November 30, 2006, 02:24:50 PM
Quote from: JTK on November 30, 2006, 02:17:33 PM
I do not really like the idea - who will rate who? Maybe that will lead to misunderstandings...? ???
Worldranklist, Mark's ranklist or just the results of some competitions. Everyhing can be desribed by simple numbers. :)
Yes, but WRL or Mark's are made by a pipsqueak's criteria, so I'm not so sure about that.
It was just an idea to argue or agree with. :)
Quote from: JTK(...) go to other contests (like mine ;D)
Yours ? Sure. When there's a track available. :P
Quote from: Krys TOFF on November 30, 2006, 04:28:01 PM
Quote from: JTK(...) go to other contests (like mine ;D)
Yours ? Sure. When there's a track available. :P
Old boys arguement ;D
Quote from: Krys TOFF on November 30, 2006, 04:28:01 PM
Quote from: JTK(...) go to other contests (like mine ;D)
Yours ? Sure. When there's a track available. :P
JTK?s competition is based on original 1.0 stunts, right ?
The page is great (well... the contents sure is ;D)
Quote from: vamologocomissoJTK?s competition is based on original 1.0 stunts, right ?
right. ;)
Kalpen is Holy Area of Stunts world. It looks like dead but it's mystic and sometimes a track comes out... or people say they saw tracks... legend... ;D
Read it - the track is almost ready! It shall be published next week! 8)
ok, zakstunts will go on just like until now, and if I'll have enough requests a team championship will also start.
Quote from: zaqrack on December 01, 2006, 09:44:54 AM
ok, zakstunts will go on just like until now, and if I'll have enough requests a team championship will also start.
Good choice.
About the team competition, SB and I are ready. Still no news from other Damage Inc. members but probably they won't join this team comp due to the fact they don't race regularly... Nor they read their mail and go to the forum regularly... :-\
Mark, your place is reserved if you want to join us on this team competition concept. ;)
Quote from: zaqrack on December 01, 2006, 09:44:54 AM
ok, zakstunts will go on just like until now, and if I'll have enough requests a team championship will also start.
I hope you are not desmotivated! :-\
no, of course not :)
And don't forget to race WRC Stunts Zak. ;)
oh shit good thing you reminded me!
Oh shit good thing you reminded Zak - it reminds me to improve. :D
I'd like to ake part in that competition. I have some free time now so I'll talk to the MeganiuM guys and if they won't join I'll ask for a team
Zak : you should start a poll asking who want to join this new team competition.
That's ok for SuperBrian and me, other Damage guys won't join (DJ told he got not enough time, Leo doesn't race any other comp than regular ZakStunts comp since StuntsLOL is stopped, and Pedro is not answering any mail) so there's a free place for a pipsqueak with us.
ZSC 2007 seems to be the worst season ever... let's hope it will change.
no way, 2001 was worse :)
anyway I enjoy it more than the previous one.
Yes the previous one was quite boring. Renato vs Ayrton.