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ZakStunts => Permanent Competition => Topic started by: al il professore on February 14, 2003, 11:40:19 PM

Title: what permanent competition...
Post by: al il professore on February 14, 2003, 11:40:19 PM
i played once on default and exploded the previous record in the sky. no matter who plays against u there, u will be beaten by alanrotoi... dont play in permanent competition, its permanent. u still got time when america empire has fallen to prove u are the best at permanent competition. once upon a time, someone said that here the times were the best in all time. prove it. drive your best, and u can say, noone had race faster than me on default track or joes curves... magic
Title: Perm. comp.
Post by: BonzaiJoe on February 15, 2003, 02:24:51 PM
It's the Zakstunts drivers against the tracks! We just need to drive them as fast as possible, whether it's Rotoi or me or someone else... I'll send anyone all my perm. comp. replays if you want to see them, so that we can improve even more and find new tricks. I think that's what it's about. After all, there will be no winner.
Title: what permanent competition...
Post by: al il professore on February 15, 2003, 02:36:35 PM
okay, send me your rpls.
Title: what permanent competition...
Post by: al il professore on February 07, 2006, 12:52:42 AM
here we are three years after that and bonzai joe sent me his replays shortly after this post, but believe it or not, i never opened the zip files... !!!
Title: what permanent competition...
Post by: Renato Biker on February 07, 2006, 01:31:20 AM
hahahaha, send me Bonzai  :-D
Title: what permanent competition...
Post by: BonzaiJoe on February 07, 2006, 05:06:09 AM
Nope, not to a cannibal like you, Eddy... :-)
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: BonzaiJoe on January 04, 2009, 04:34:29 PM
here we are three years after that and bonzai joe sent me his replays shortly after this post, but believe it or not, i never opened the zip files... !!!

You don't exist anymore  :P
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: Friker on January 10, 2009, 12:10:57 PM
Im looking for some replays from pernament competition. Can someone send me replays?
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: Duplode on January 11, 2009, 01:21:41 AM
Im looking for some replays from pernament competition. Can someone send me replays?

You could start with Default - many of the top replays for the standard version of the track were made public, as Default was used for Z79. The replays were shipped with Z80 pack, located at http://zak.stunts.hu/arc/zctc80.zip (http://zak.stunts.hu/arc/zctc80.zip) . Those replays will give you a lively display of the wonders of dual-way switching, and then the records on some of the other perm-tracks won't appear to be so unreal...
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: BonzaiJoe on January 11, 2009, 07:13:48 PM
Although one must say that Default is clearly the easiest of the permanent tracks.
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: CTG on November 11, 2011, 04:01:26 PM
Maybe it's time to re-drive these tracks...
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: BonzaiJoe on November 11, 2011, 04:14:47 PM
Yes. All of the records are pretty solid though.

My records on Bernie's and Skid's should be beatable, but not by much.
Default:  ???
Joe's: There's some PG way I haven't imagined yet. Don't know the quality of the record.
Cherry's, Helen's: very hard to beat.
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: Akoss Poo on November 11, 2011, 05:28:57 PM
Btw, what is your favourite permanent competition track (I mean the original ones)? Has it ever been a question?
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: BonzaiJoe on November 11, 2011, 06:44:32 PM
They all seem the same. Indy power gear all the way. I think my favourite is Cherry's though. Historically that's been a really fun one to race on.

Currently our total time is: 9:23.85

In comparison the total record time when I checked the records in December 2000 or January 2001 on Lukas Löehrer's site was 14:20.80, which means we have shaved almost 5 minutes off the records. 50 seconds per track. I rarely say this but: LOL. Theoretically we could start the race, take a pee, go to the fridge and get a drink, sit down again, start racing and still beat the 2001 record.
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: CTG on November 11, 2011, 08:13:54 PM
Skid's
Bernie's Closed
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: Akoss Poo on November 11, 2011, 09:22:15 PM
Bernie's Closed

Original ones, asshole...  :-X
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: CTG on November 11, 2011, 09:27:35 PM
Bernie's Closed

Original ones, asshole...  :-X

Suck my Indy.
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: CTG on December 09, 2011, 11:09:28 PM
Akoss Poo is a short böff. I'm an öblös one.
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: CTG on June 21, 2012, 07:56:37 AM
When was the last time anybody sending a replay for permanent tracks?
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: zaqrack on June 21, 2012, 08:16:00 AM
Occasionally. Sometimes I forget to update though :(
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: BonzaiJoe on June 21, 2012, 05:04:51 PM
The question is: when will someone do Default in less than 30 seconds?
I can't believe we're asking this. There as a time when "under 1 minute" was unimaginable.
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: CTG on July 09, 2012, 01:53:53 PM
There as a time when "under 1 minute" was unimaginable.

When was that? Long time ago I have seen some hungarian forum messages from 1997 or 1998 discussing how they drove 58 seconds. Probably it was only their fairy tale, but somebody described the way switching part, so maybe not...

I should give a try to these tracks again. It would be a useful test to measure how I lost my skills in the last few years.
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: BonzaiJoe on July 09, 2012, 03:14:20 PM
I mean the time when we didn't know or imagine the basic way-switch.  I found out about it only when I visited Lukas Löehrer's site and saw the permanent competition records in 2001. I will never forget the record table:

Default: 0.54.70
Bernie's: 2.00.30
Joe's: 1.11.10
Cherry's: 3.43.00
Helen's: 4.56.00
Skid's: 1.38.70

I thought those were unbelievably strong times.
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: JTK on July 10, 2012, 09:57:16 AM
--> http://www.kalpen.de/luke/4dhigh.html
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: BonzaiJoe on July 10, 2012, 09:59:59 AM
Well, memory is a funny thing.
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: CTG on August 24, 2012, 02:05:34 PM
Occasionally. Sometimes I forget to update though :(

Expect some new replays from me in the close future. :D
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: CTG on March 07, 2013, 07:57:57 AM
Zak: if I send a huge pack of replays, will you update the permanent scoreboards? :D
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: zaqrack on March 07, 2013, 08:44:53 AM
I think I should rather implement the automatic update as for the normal scoreboard. It's just a couple of hours coding... please stay tuned...
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: CTG on March 07, 2013, 09:02:19 AM
I think I should rather implement the automatic update as for the normal scoreboard. It's just a couple of hours coding... please stay tuned...

Great! The renascence of permanent competition is coming soon. :)
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: BonzaiJoe on March 07, 2013, 11:32:48 AM
Are you gonna beat all the records?
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: CTG on March 07, 2013, 12:48:44 PM
Are you gonna beat all the records?

No. Maybe 2 or 3.
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: BonzaiJoe on March 07, 2013, 02:37:10 PM
Wow, that's really impressive...
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: CTG on March 28, 2013, 04:06:20 PM
Current medal table of permanent tracks:

Original tracks

3-2-0 Renato Biker
2-0-2 Bonzai Joe
1-0-0 Duplode
0-2-3 Gutix
0-1-0 Alan Rotoi
0-1-0 Mark L. Rivers
0-0-1 Ayrton

Closed tracks

6-0-0 Renato Biker
0-4-0 CTG
0-1-0 Alain
0-1-0 Mark L. Rivers
0-0-4 Gutix
0-0-2 Bonzai Joe

Overall

9-2-0 Renato Biker (what's the problem with Skids? :D)
2-0-4 Bonzai Joe
1-0-0 Duplode
0-4-0 CTG
0-2-7 Gutix
0-2-0 Mark L. Rivers
0-1-0 Alain
0-1-0 Alan Rotoi
0-0-1 Ayrton
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: BonzaiJoe on March 28, 2013, 05:28:40 PM
I still don't think the closed tracks are of any real significance. There's no general set of rules. Some of them are with ISA rules, some of them OWOOT but allowing shortcuts and dual-way switching, and some of them are based on the weird watery versions of the original tracks.
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: BonzaiJoe on March 28, 2013, 05:30:47 PM
I think the problem with Skid's is that it's too easy. The Biker doesn't have the advantage of being able to pull off 32489395324 hours of very dedicated and professional RH here because any decent pipsqueak can drive a near-perfect lap on Skids within 30 minutes.
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: CTG on March 28, 2013, 08:38:31 PM
I still don't think the closed tracks are of any real significance. There's no general set of rules. Some of them are with ISA rules, some of them OWOOT but allowing shortcuts and dual-way switching, and some of them are based on the weird watery versions of the original tracks.

But still, they are part of permanent competition's history. No extra regulations, please.
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: Friker on March 29, 2013, 08:20:15 AM
I still don't think the closed tracks are of any real significance. There's no general set of rules. Some of them are with ISA rules, some of them OWOOT but allowing shortcuts and dual-way switching, and some of them are based on the weird watery versions of the original tracks.

But still, they are part of permanent competition's history. No extra regulations, please.

I would leave them out too. We can race on any track pretending it's important than.. (which is not a bad idea, but I find closed tracks based on default tracks annoying)
Title: what permanent competition...
Post by: CTG on June 02, 2013, 01:08:29 PM
They survived the last 12 years - should stay.
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: BonzaiJoe on June 03, 2013, 10:32:39 AM
Well, imagine if that argument had won all through history  :P
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: CTG on June 03, 2013, 11:18:24 AM
Well, imagine if that argument had won all through history  :P

If closed tracks will be removed from permanent section, I'll re-publish them in USC.

(You can agree or disagree, but so many pipsqueaks pushed hard on these tracks - they should stay in permanent status. Even if not as the part of the "classic" permanents.)
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: BonzaiJoe on June 03, 2013, 05:28:04 PM
I don't mind that they are there, I just think that when we compare results on permanent tracks, it makes no sense if they are counted.
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: CTG on August 07, 2013, 08:39:43 AM
I think I should rather implement the automatic update as for the normal scoreboard. It's just a couple of hours coding... please stay tuned...

I'm tuned, but permanent competition is still the same. ::)
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: CTG on September 27, 2013, 03:42:20 PM
I think I should rather implement the automatic update as for the normal scoreboard. It's just a couple of hours coding... please stay tuned...

I'm tuned, but permanent competition is still the same. ::)

So... if I send some new laps in e-mail, will you update the scoreboards? ::)
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: CTG on January 31, 2014, 10:42:00 AM
I think I should rather implement the automatic update as for the normal scoreboard. It's just a couple of hours coding... please stay tuned...

I'm tuned, but permanent competition is still the same. ::)

So... if I send some new laps in e-mail, will you update the scoreboards? ::)

::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: CTG on January 31, 2014, 11:00:48 AM
Quote from: ZakStunts, Permanent tracks section (emphasis added by me)
These are permanent competitions (they last forever) on the default tracks shipped with stunts, and on the closed versions of these. Simply download the tracks if you don`t have them, race on it, and send the replay. Rules are simple, you can use any car (not tuned of course!), and replay handling. Your name will be listed here, doesn't matter what place you achieve.
Good luck!

So... closed tracks should really stay. :D

Btw what about an expanded permanent competition? All the original+closed tracks, separate scoreboard for each cars (original pack + any other non-rocket car ever used in ZakStunts). Since nobody has enough time to play for leading all the scoreboards, it would give a nice and more balanced eternal competition.  ;)

I remember 2002, when permanent records were still at human level - any newbies could make a TOP3 result. I think the huge amount of different options would give some enthusiasm to the non-addict players, too.
Title: Re: what permanent competition...
Post by: CTG on May 16, 2014, 08:34:01 AM
I think I should rather implement the automatic update as for the normal scoreboard. It's just a couple of hours coding... please stay tuned...

I'm tuned, but permanent competition is still the same. ::)

So... if I send some new laps in e-mail, will you update the scoreboards? ::)

::) ::) ::)

Dreadnaut: could you add some kind of upload system to permanent tracks, please?