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ZakStunts - the Competition => Competition Archive => Competition 2007 => Topic started by: CTG on August 08, 2007, 01:57:21 PM

Title: ZCT 79
Post by: CTG on August 08, 2007, 01:57:21 PM
Which car?
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Duplode on August 20, 2007, 02:33:23 AM
Hmm, let's speculate. From the unused cars we have:

    * Countach: As Zak's favourite car, it would be very fitting for a truly challenging season ending... except for Komar?m having just been raced.
    * Porsche 962: Just after the Jaguar race? Unlikely.
    * Melange: Nobody would protest, I'm sure, but I don't see Zak picking a tuned car for this one. Thus, we're left with...
    * Corvette: *shivers*... well, who knows - maybe we could see a reprise of Z70 (yes, I watched "that" replay...), if only by different hands?

Either way, we should all be ready for tough cookies! ;D


Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: CTG on August 20, 2007, 06:45:36 PM
Or another Indy? :(
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Duplode on August 21, 2007, 04:13:34 AM
Really wishing for it? At this moment, I rather have something more... surprising.
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Krys TOFF on September 05, 2007, 11:54:26 PM
Is special rule chosen for Z79 track Zak ?
Is track design help needed ?
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: CTG on September 06, 2007, 12:54:33 AM
Still T?ffStunts? ;D

Maybe ZakStunts is dead?
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: zaqrack on September 06, 2007, 04:00:37 PM
not dead just in a coma :D
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: CTG on September 06, 2007, 04:10:53 PM
Haha... okay. Good news for me.
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Krys TOFF on September 07, 2007, 11:29:21 AM
Quote from: Krys TOFF
Is special rule chosen for Z79 track Zak ?
Is track design help needed ?
And is car chosen for Z79 track ?
If you need help, just ask.

Anyway, as long as Z79 is not started, then you've got more time for new ZS concept programming. ;)
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: CTG on September 07, 2007, 01:58:16 PM
Krys: aren't you afraid of your next rank in Forum? You are already feeling spam nearby... ;D
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Krys TOFF on September 07, 2007, 04:03:47 PM
Mmmm, no. And here is my 3200th message as a proof !
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Krys TOFF on September 07, 2007, 04:04:24 PM
Loooool !
New rank is "Recognising intense spam presence". ;D
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on September 07, 2007, 06:40:46 PM

Zak, minding that title has been already assigned, Can I propose you a last special "rules-track" for last race? If you want I can send you track & rules then you'll decide...  ;)
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: CTG on September 07, 2007, 07:04:03 PM
Mark overtook me with this question. No problem, I prefer non-special rule tracks. :)
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: zaqrack on September 07, 2007, 09:54:14 PM
Quote from: Mark L. Rivers on September 07, 2007, 06:40:46 PM

Zak, minding that title has been already assigned, Can I propose you a last special "rules-track" for last race? If you want I can send you track & rules then you'll decide...  ;)

sure, just go on!
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on September 08, 2007, 12:12:27 AM
Quote from: zaqrack on September 07, 2007, 09:54:14 PM
Quote from: Mark L. Rivers on September 07, 2007, 06:40:46 PM

Zak, minding that title has been already assigned, Can I propose you a last special "rules-track" for last race? If you want I can send you track & rules then you'll decide...  ;)

sure, just go on!

Done...   :)
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Chulk on September 08, 2007, 05:35:41 PM
Mark, can you give us a short briefing for next race, please. I really like your descriptions about SDR tracks.
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on September 08, 2007, 08:55:50 PM
Quote from: Chulk on September 08, 2007, 05:35:41 PM
Mark, can you give us a short briefing for next race, please. I really like your descriptions about SDR tracks.

I'm really happy you like my descriptions!  :)
But I think it's better that Zak gives his OK after seeing my track/rule, maybe he could prefer to choose another proposal.  ::)
Anyway, if he will choose my track/rule, you'll have to race on a track very different than SDR standard...
Being last track of a particular season where every race had a special rule (sometimes really weird even if funny), I didn't propose a standard track as you can race at SDR, USC or ZakStunts in 2006 season (I'm keeping some dazzling and engaging track for new ZakStunts... ;)). I thought it was suitable to conclude this particular season with a funny race on a funny but very, very particular scenery and very particular goal...  :D
Let's see what Zak will decide... ;)
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Chulk on September 09, 2007, 12:58:50 AM
Of course I meant in case Zak gives the OK!
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on September 10, 2007, 06:00:43 PM

Waiting for Zak?s choice, I thought to publish anyway a short description of track I proposed him, as Chulk asked me. If my track will be choose by Zak, everyone can begin to imagine what he will find racing on it? ;)

So? Imagine have an infinite number of paths to choose, an infinite number of combinations to arrive at finish line? Imagine have a timer link to a bomb placed on your car so you must arrive at finish line within a certain time if you want to survive? But? imagine too have no hurry to arrive at finish line as soon you are able?  :o
Do you succeed to imagine all this? OK, you are very near to understand in what special race you will have to drive your Melange XGT-88? ;)
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Argammon on September 10, 2007, 07:06:34 PM
I don't think that the Melange is a good choice because it is currently used in USC. (deadline 19th september)

Hence, I don't want to drive the same car again ;-)

Please reconsider!
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Duplode on September 10, 2007, 08:15:18 PM
Ok, in that case they might pick P962  ;D
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on September 10, 2007, 08:44:36 PM

Quote from: Argammon on September 10, 2007, 07:06:34 PM
I don't think that the Melange is a good choice because it is currently used in USC. (deadline 19th september)
Hence, I don't want to drive the same car again ;-)
Please reconsider!

I reconsidered it, even if racing with Melange on current USC track is a thing and racing on the track I proposed is another one...  ;)
Anyway, I've just tried my track with Porsche 962 and... I think it works fine too especially minding the bomb aboard...    :D
Zak, change of car: if you'll choose my track/rule we'll race on it with Porsche 962!

Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Chulk on September 18, 2007, 06:02:11 AM
So, will we have this strange looking track Mark propose, even if without an official scoreboard?
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: CTG on October 12, 2007, 07:27:19 PM
Let's GO!!!
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: zaqrack on October 21, 2007, 11:15:16 PM
we'll go when I'll feel zakstunts worth going again.
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: CTG on November 01, 2007, 10:39:22 AM
2 months without ZakStunts. Weird.
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Krys TOFF on November 01, 2007, 06:22:14 PM
Quote from: zaqrackwe'll go when I'll feel zakstunts worth going again.
Let's hope it won't be as long as new Kalpen track that we still wait more than 3 months since deadline of previous track... ::)
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: BonzaiJoe on November 01, 2007, 10:12:39 PM
Let's hope it won't be like CTRACK34...
Or Bumper.
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: JTK on November 02, 2007, 08:27:17 AM
Quote from: Krys TOFF on November 01, 2007, 06:22:14 PM
Let's hope it won't be as long as new Kalpen track that we still wait more than 3 months since deadline of previous track... ::)

:-\ I know! Bloody whatever, gimme some time, please, then I'll create a track immediately!  :-[
Real life somtimes kills all playing stuff, sorry... :-X
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: CTG on November 21, 2007, 01:27:20 PM
So... when will be the last round of season 2007?

Shall we expect something like at the second TDC?
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: zaqrack on November 21, 2007, 02:54:02 PM
always expect the unexpectable ;)

Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: BonzaiJoe on November 21, 2007, 03:19:58 PM
But if we should expect the unexpectable, then the unexpectable is what we expect, and thereby no longer unexpectable. If the unexpectable is expectable, nothing is unexpectable, and then we should expect nothing...  ???
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: zaqrack on November 21, 2007, 06:15:26 PM
but from an other point of view if something is unexpectable, it can also mean it cannot be expected. If you expect something, whcih cannot be expected, then your expection equals to zero, so the conclusion is again, that you can expect nothing. Damn.
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: JTK on November 22, 2007, 04:18:31 PM
So you wanted to say (maybe): Always expect something unimaginary will happen (which means, that you keep anxiously looking for whatever all the time?) 8)
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: zaqrack on November 30, 2007, 01:27:29 AM
SITE UPDATED!!!

I have been thinking a lot.
Seven years of ZakStunts. A love lasting forever for me. We had so many strange races, rules, fights and meetings. We have made teams and friendships and have so much in common. We had ups and downs. One thing we never had:
A true, REAL race on Default. So here you are. A classic must end with a classic. Maybe it's your one and only chance to try to get your really best out on the infamous Default track.
I'm not saying ZakStunts has came to its end. I'm sure I will keep up being a competition manager. But that will be a different competition, even though it might have the same name.
That's why the symbolic deadline. The end of the year. The end of a fabulous competition, the start of a new one. And the start of a new, and more exciting part of my life full of challenge.
Present for the original ZakStunts and for me a last race.
Fasten your seatbelt!
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: zaqrack on November 30, 2007, 01:46:55 AM
in case you need more explanation:

ZakStunts wears my name in itself. That also means it is really closely connected to me and my life.
It started in March of 2001, half year after I graduated from high school. I was 19, searching my place and purpose, finding my way of life.

Seven years passed by. I'll be 26 in some weeks. Three universities/colleges, one finally finished. Five girlfriends, serious or not so serious, and finally one, who I feel I'd like to spend my whole life with. Lots of workplaces from the worst to better, and finally one from my dreams. As much travelling I could just afford, and three stunts world meetings, all unforgettable in their own way. 

Seven years have past since I started this. Six months passed since I have graduated from college. I was feeling better than ever before, but something was still missing. And today I realized, as I got a job offer which I only imagined in my wildest dreams ever.

I missed the challenge and the path of endless possibilities opening up in front of me. Now it has opened, also I have someone to work for, I clearly see my goals and purpose in this life. I feel reborn and full of energy

And with this energy I want to create something new. My own and my new life which fits the current me better. And my own and my new competition, which I feel closer to myself.

That sums it all up quite well, I guess. Enjoy ZCT79, the last track and wait for ZCT80, the first. It'll come.




Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Duplode on November 30, 2007, 02:18:51 AM
The end of an era, a brand new start and the circle of life...

:bows:
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: CTG on November 30, 2007, 03:42:44 AM
Default without any special rules like following the classic line? BJ will win.
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: JTK on November 30, 2007, 08:51:08 AM
...
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Krys TOFF on November 30, 2007, 09:26:03 AM
Special rule : BAFAP ! I'm ROTGLOL !!! :D ;D
Let's see if I can be as fast as I was in last 2003 on Default !
December 2007 is a real come back of ZakStunts to the root of all competitions.
Let the racing do the talking now !
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: BonzaiJoe on November 30, 2007, 12:41:03 PM
Those were some great posts Zak! I'm so happy to hear about the beautiful progression of your life, and that Zakstunts is finally coming back. What is the job you got? Is it in one of the other threads? I guess I'll read and find out :)

I'm a bit sad to let go of my Default record, but it's in the name of something great, so whatever...
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: CTG on November 30, 2007, 06:32:07 PM
BJ: your Default record will fall soon. ;)
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Krys TOFF on November 30, 2007, 09:30:48 PM
Quote from: CTG on November 30, 2007, 06:32:07 PM
BJ: your Default record will fall soon. ;)
Let me have some leading time before please. ;D
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: CTG on November 30, 2007, 09:48:20 PM
Quote from: Krys TOFF on November 30, 2007, 09:30:48 PM
Quote from: CTG on November 30, 2007, 06:32:07 PM
BJ: your Default record will fall soon. ;)
Let me have some leading time before please. ;D

Don't be afraid of me, I won't take part. :)
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Krys TOFF on November 30, 2007, 10:29:16 PM
Quote from: CTG
Don't be afraid of me, I won't take part. :)

Why ? Prove us all that you deserve your champion title. :P
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: CTG on November 30, 2007, 11:14:39 PM
I already deserved it with my four consecutive victories. ;)

Anyway it's time to give more chance for others to step higher. :D
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Krys TOFF on December 01, 2007, 04:48:58 PM
why leading time didn't start at 0H00 last night as we're now in december ?
I should have 3 hours of leading time and Ayrton should be the one cumulating leading time since then... ::)
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Simon82 on December 19, 2007, 09:10:50 AM
Hello,

I'm an old passionated player of stunt. I'm trying to make a time on track 79 but I don't understand how somone can make it under 40 seconds... Can someone explain me?

Bye
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: zaqrack on December 19, 2007, 09:34:06 AM
Hello Simon, and welcome to the community!

Don't get scared, you dropped into the hardest battle of the year, on a track well-known in every little detail between the drivers.

One very important help is, that drivers use replay handling. Find more info here: http://stunts.mine.nu/zakstunts/pics/school/bernie3.gif

The other very important thing on this track is Power Gear, and way switching. Drivers reach power gear already after the first small hill (with the slalom blocks on top), they do this by trying countless times to get the car make some small jumps and gain more speed, eventually reaching 8000rpm in fifth gear, and then the engine  gets into power gear, and wont slow down on grass, running with 245mph (its a bug in the game), more info here: http://stunts.mine.nu/zakstunts/pics/school/bernie2.gif
From here they just alternate their path between the two ways on the track, driving almost all the time off the track, on the grass, just barely touching the pavement sometimes in order to avoid penalty.

As my current replay isn't that fast (not even under 40sec :)), I share it for you, download and see how it is possible.

And don't worry, you can get used to online stunts racing in some weeks! Many of us did, and enjoy it a lot :)
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Simon82 on December 19, 2007, 11:26:58 AM
Quote from: zaqrack on December 19, 2007, 09:34:06 AM
Hello Simon, and welcome to the community!

Don't get scared, you dropped into the hardest battle of the year, on a track well-known in every little detail between the drivers.

One very important help is, that drivers use replay handling. Find more info here: http://stunts.mine.nu/zakstunts/pics/school/bernie3.gif

The other very important thing on this track is Power Gear, and way switching. Drivers reach power gear already after the first small hill (with the slalom blocks on top), they do this by trying countless times to get the car make some small jumps and gain more speed, eventually reaching 8000rpm in fifth gear, and then the engine  gets into power gear, and wont slow down on grass, running with 245mph (its a bug in the game), more info here: http://stunts.mine.nu/zakstunts/pics/school/bernie2.gif
From here they just alternate their path between the two ways on the track, driving almost all the time off the track, on the grass, just barely touching the pavement sometimes in order to avoid penalty.

As my current replay isn't that fast (not even under 40sec :)), I share it for you, download and see how it is possible.

And don't worry, you can get used to online stunts racing in some weeks! Many of us did, and enjoy it a lot :)

Hi zaq is an honour to know you and see your message!  :-*

I know very well the bug of the 5th gear "persistent turbo mode", discovered soooo many years ago when (I was 12 I think). But even with this I don't understand how is it possible. I don't reach first hill with bug gear because rpm is a little under the "magic number". And after a little there's a turb on the right, isn't it? I hate the parabolic horizontal with block on the center but even on the grass I'm on the minute.

At that time I was reeaaally a good player of stunt. I think I've played with this one thousand of time.
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Simon82 on December 19, 2007, 12:23:57 PM
I've seen your replay... ahhh I understood that lot of track have been deleted passing through the grass. I prefer stay on the road!  ;)
I think this could be a "permanent" rule.
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: JTK on December 19, 2007, 12:31:42 PM
Quote from: zaqrack on December 19, 2007, 09:34:06 AM
I share it for you, download and see how it is possible.

I already sent my replay, so I also took a look. How the heck do you reach Powergear in the beginning? I tried so many times but my Indy never starts flying... :-\

Still I'm a constructor, not a pipsqueak...
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Krys TOFF on December 19, 2007, 01:34:27 PM
Manual gears is needed to perform "magic carpet" bug jump more easily. And this way you can have a bug jump when landing on the hill (when landing just after the concrete blocks). Then, if you're very lucky, a 2nd magic carpet gives you powergear when you're still on the hill. Else, the jump from the hill to the ground gives you powergear.
Or, you can reach powergear like Zak with a magic carpet when landing from the hill, but you already lost 1 or 2 seconds this way.
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: JTK on December 19, 2007, 01:44:46 PM
Manual gears, sure, of course. But I never got a magic carpet on this track. I will exercise further... Thanks, Krys
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: CTG on December 19, 2007, 01:49:22 PM
Mistake of the Default race is that we don't use the original line. It would be more realistic to drive it on the traditional way without shortcuts: just the one we used at the beginning of our Stunts career.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pbSIbIkCDcM
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Simon82 on December 19, 2007, 03:01:55 PM
Quote from: CTG on December 19, 2007, 01:49:22 PM
Mistake of the Default race is that we don't use the original line. It would be more realistic to drive it on the traditional way without shortcuts: just the one we used at the beginning of our Stunts career.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pbSIbIkCDcM
Hi agree, even if in the video lot of dirty trick made. I hate the rotating trick it's the only think I could let pass far from.
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: CTG on December 19, 2007, 03:31:46 PM
Rotating trick??? Do you mean cutting corkscrew?
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: zaqrack on December 19, 2007, 04:18:11 PM
Quote from: Simon82 on December 19, 2007, 03:01:55 PM
Quote from: CTG on December 19, 2007, 01:49:22 PM
Mistake of the Default race is that we don't use the original line. It would be more realistic to drive it on the traditional way without shortcuts: just the one we used at the beginning of our Stunts career.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pbSIbIkCDcM
Hi agree, even if in the video lot of dirty trick made. I hate the rotating trick it's the only think I could let pass far from.

I recommend you Paleke's WSC championship, you are not allowed to leave the road or cut any of the track elements there! Unfortunately its really time demanding to check for such "cheats" when you get dozens of replays a month, so most competitions don't have this rule.
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Simon82 on December 19, 2007, 04:54:03 PM
Quote from: zaqrack on December 19, 2007, 04:18:11 PM
Quote from: Simon82 on December 19, 2007, 03:01:55 PM
Quote from: CTG on December 19, 2007, 01:49:22 PM
Mistake of the Default race is that we don't use the original line. It would be more realistic to drive it on the traditional way without shortcuts: just the one we used at the beginning of our Stunts career.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pbSIbIkCDcM
Hi agree, even if in the video lot of dirty trick made. I hate the rotating trick it's the only think I could let pass far from.

I recommend you Paleke's WSC championship, you are not allowed to leave the road or cut any of the track elements there! Unfortunately its really time demanding to check for such "cheats" when you get dozens of replays a month, so most competitions don't have this rule.
well, we could let some trick allowed going for ex. on the grass only to correct direction and re-enter on the track. I think that the real track is excellent for competition. Going through the grass directly to the arrive is not fun. 
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Duplode on December 19, 2007, 05:18:26 PM
Quote from: Simon82 on December 19, 2007, 04:54:03 PM
well, we could let some trick allowed going for ex. on the grass only to correct direction and re-enter on the track. I think that the real track is excellent for competition. Going through the grass directly to the arrive is not fun. 

I used to agree with that before joining the competitions (about eight months ago), but after a few races I realized tricks and shortcuts can create a whole new way of playing, with endless possibilites for both drivers and track designers, and many times increased challenge as well (just dig some older winning replays of this competition and try to believe them! ;)). Nevertheless, I still find one-wheel-on-or-over-the-track competitions like WSC pretty fun as a more realistic challenge - maybe you really should try it for a start... :)

And by the way, if you're wondering, the claimed record on default without shortcuts, pausing or rewinding  is 1:00.50 (check this thread (http://stunts.mine.nu/forum/index.php?topic=18.0) for the discussion). As for me, my last semi-serious try was still around 1:05... :)

And of course, welcome!
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Simon82 on December 19, 2007, 09:00:24 PM
Quote from: Duplode on December 19, 2007, 05:18:26 PM
Quote from: Simon82 on December 19, 2007, 04:54:03 PM
well, we could let some trick allowed going for ex. on the grass only to correct direction and re-enter on the track. I think that the real track is excellent for competition. Going through the grass directly to the arrive is not fun. 

I used to agree with that before joining the competitions (about eight months ago), but after a few races I realized tricks and shortcuts can create a whole new way of playing, with endless possibilites for both drivers and track designers, and many times increased challenge as well (just dig some older winning replays of this competition and try to believe them! ;)). Nevertheless, I still find one-wheel-on-or-over-the-track competitions like WSC pretty fun as a more realistic challenge - maybe you really should try it for a start... :)

And by the way, if you're wondering, the claimed record on default without shortcuts, pausing or rewinding  is 1:00.50 (check this thread (http://stunts.mine.nu/forum/index.php?topic=18.0) for the discussion). As for me, my last semi-serious try was still around 1:05... :)

And of course, welcome!

Thanks for the welcome... I've to excercise with trick and try... :)

That time surely rock man!
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Duplode on December 19, 2007, 11:23:56 PM
Quote from: Simon82 on December 19, 2007, 09:00:24 PM
Thanks for the welcome... I've to excercise with trick and try... :)

Nice! And BTW, if you'd prefer to begin with a less luck dependant (albeit significantly less efficient) way of reaching power gear, consider using that l/r corkscrew... ;)
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Chulk on December 19, 2007, 11:27:51 PM
Quote from: Simon82 on December 19, 2007, 09:00:24 PM
Thanks for the welcome... I've to excercise with trick and try... :)

Quote from: Duplode on December 19, 2007, 11:23:56 PM
Nice! And BTW, if you'd prefer to begin with a less luck dependant (albeit significantly less efficient) way of reaching power gear, consider using that l/r corkscrew... ;)
Hello Simon82 and welcome. It's good to see a new member so active in the forum! BTW, take Duplode's advice, he's one of the best right now. ;)
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Simon82 on December 20, 2007, 08:11:44 AM
Quote from: Chulk on December 19, 2007, 11:27:51 PM
Quote from: Simon82 on December 19, 2007, 09:00:24 PM
Thanks for the welcome... I've to excercise with trick and try... :)

Quote from: Duplode on December 19, 2007, 11:23:56 PM
Nice! And BTW, if you'd prefer to begin with a less luck dependant (albeit significantly less efficient) way of reaching power gear, consider using that l/r corkscrew... ;)
Hello Simon82 and welcome. It's good to see a new member so active in the forum! BTW, take Duplode's advice, he's one of the best right now. ;)
Eh eh, you should know my 13 years ago... in that time I play Stunts almost every days and nights..  ;D

Honestly now one problem is that I don't find very accurated the emulation through Dosbox, I remember that the speed of the response when you turn left or right the car was a little higher in a native Dos environment.
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: BonzaiJoe on December 20, 2007, 10:55:42 AM
You can play it from Windows though...
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Simon82 on December 20, 2007, 11:23:20 AM
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on December 20, 2007, 10:55:42 AM
You can play it from Windows though...
I wont to appear paranoic (;D) but even in Windows Xp emulation there's something that is different in the general feeling of the gameplay that is wrong. I feel it immediately when you play... I'm the only? Try well and maybe you'll feel it.
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: zaqrack on December 20, 2007, 11:45:05 AM
winxp emulation sucked for me.
my dosbox.conf, try yours with similar settings (as I know you can use linux config files under win dosbox too:


# This is the configurationfile for DOSBox 0.72.
# Lines starting with a # are commentlines.
# They are used to (briefly) document the effect of each option.

[sdl]
fullscreen=false
fulldouble=true
fullresolution=original
windowresolution=original
output=surface
autolock=true
sensitivity=100
waitonerror=true
priority=higher,normal
mapperfile=mapper.txt
usescancodes=true

[dosbox]
language=
machine=vga
captures=capture
memsize=16

[render]
frameskip=0
aspect=false
scaler=normal3x

[cpu]
core=dynamic
cycles=max
cycleup=500
cycledown=20

[mixer]
nosound=false
rate=22050
blocksize=2048
prebuffer=10

[midi]
mpu401=intelligent
device=default
config=

[sblaster]
sbtype=sb16
sbbase=220
irq=7
dma=1
hdma=5
mixer=true
oplmode=auto
oplrate=22050

[gus]
gus=true
gusrate=22050
gusbase=240
irq1=5
irq2=5
dma1=3
dma2=3
ultradir=C:\ULTRASND

[speaker]
pcspeaker=true
pcrate=22050
tandy=auto
tandyrate=22050
disney=true

[joystick]
joysticktype=auto
timed=true
autofire=false
swap34=false
buttonwrap=true

[serial]
serial1=dummy
serial2=dummy
serial3=disabled
serial4=disabled

[dos]
xms=true
ems=true
umb=true
keyboardlayout=none

[ipx]
ipx=false

[autoexec]
mount c: /home/zaqrack/Stunts
c:
stunts_k
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Krys TOFF on December 20, 2007, 11:49:14 AM
Quote from: zaqrack

mount c: /home/zaqrack/Stunts
c:

Just think to replace this part by your own pathway to Stunts. ;)
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Simon82 on December 20, 2007, 12:24:00 PM
Quote from: Krys TOFF on December 20, 2007, 11:49:14 AM
Quote from: zaqrack

mount c: /home/zaqrack/Stunts
c:

Just think to replace this part by your own pathway to Stunts. ;)

Obvioulsy..  ;D
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Chulk on December 20, 2007, 02:58:30 PM
What are your CPU caracteristics? Maybe someone with a similar system can help you.
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Simon82 on December 20, 2007, 06:35:03 PM
Quote from: Chulk on December 20, 2007, 02:58:30 PM
What are your CPU caracteristics? Maybe someone with a similar system can help you.

The Mac Mini intel has got a Intel Core duo cpu at 1,66Ghz. I see cpu usage from 2 to 10% maximun, I don't think it's a cpu issue. I think it's somethin related to dosbox itself. Others game give me the feeling that something is wrong... I'm talking about a FEELING difficult to proof and explain but I'm sure I'm right.
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Chulk on December 20, 2007, 08:05:41 PM
We all know what you feel, but we just got used to that minimum thing you feel, as nobody has a perfect DOS like playing. I just wanted to know about CPU, not because of usage but for the configuration. Your CPU is faster than mine, so my settings probably won't help you. I can give them to you if you want to give it a try. Just ask me for them.
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Simon82 on December 21, 2007, 07:33:25 AM
Quote from: Chulk on December 20, 2007, 08:05:41 PM
We all know what you feel, but we just got used to that minimum thing you feel, as nobody has a perfect DOS like playing. I just wanted to know about CPU, not because of usage but for the configuration. Your CPU is faster than mine, so my settings probably won't help you. I can give them to you if you want to give it a try. Just ask me for them.
I think is something related to a "layer" inserted between the input commands one and the game engine itself and dosbox even if a system is powerful indeed insert a additional layer emulating a entire environment.
I've tried with laptop booting to dos and play and surely is another thing. Even the sound is better on pc speaker.
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: BonzaiJoe on December 21, 2007, 09:48:10 AM
Quote from: Simon82 on December 20, 2007, 11:23:20 AM
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on December 20, 2007, 10:55:42 AM
You can play it from Windows though...
I wont to appear paranoic (;D) but even in Windows Xp emulation there's something that is different in the general feeling of the gameplay that is wrong. I feel it immediately when you play... I'm the only? Try well and maybe you'll feel it.

You're not the only one. There is a delay of about 0.3 seconds every time you push a button. But you get used to it... I've been racing on XP for the last 2.5 years.
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: CTG on December 21, 2007, 10:08:40 AM
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on December 21, 2007, 09:48:10 AM
Quote from: Simon82 on December 20, 2007, 11:23:20 AM
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on December 20, 2007, 10:55:42 AM
You can play it from Windows though...
I wont to appear paranoic (;D) but even in Windows Xp emulation there's something that is different in the general feeling of the gameplay that is wrong. I feel it immediately when you play... I'm the only? Try well and maybe you'll feel it.

You're not the only one. There is a delay of about 0.3 seconds every time you push a button. But you get used to it... I've been racing on XP for the last 2.5 years.

I also use XP for ages - but it worked fine before I had to change keyboard.
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: CTG on December 21, 2007, 10:38:14 AM
Default live noRH video will be available soon at YouTube. ;)
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: CTG on December 21, 2007, 10:43:13 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EF3kDcDV_X

...and CTG also appears, muhahahahaha!!! ;D
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Krys TOFF on December 21, 2007, 11:06:18 AM
Quote from: CTG on December 21, 2007, 10:43:13 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EF3kDcDV_X

...and CTG also appears, muhahahahaha!!! ;D
CTG's url is incomplete, full url is : http://youtube.com/watch?v=EF3kDcDV_X4
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Simon82 on December 21, 2007, 11:17:35 AM
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on December 21, 2007, 09:48:10 AM
Quote from: Simon82 on December 20, 2007, 11:23:20 AM
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on December 20, 2007, 10:55:42 AM
You can play it from Windows though...
I wont to appear paranoic (;D) but even in Windows Xp emulation there's something that is different in the general feeling of the gameplay that is wrong. I feel it immediately when you play... I'm the only? Try well and maybe you'll feel it.

You're not the only one. There is a delay of about 0.3 seconds every time you push a button. But you get used to it... I've been racing on XP for the last 2.5 years.
I hate it. I don't want to get used to it. This evening I format my computer, create a C: FAT partition with best os ever created (MSDOS 6.22) and install xp on a second NTFS partition.
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Chulk on December 22, 2007, 05:02:04 AM
Quote from: Simon82 on December 21, 2007, 11:17:35 AM
I hate it. I don't want to get used to it. This evening I format my computer, create a C: FAT partition with best os ever created (MSDOS 6.22) and install xp on a second NTFS partition.
You surely are determined to run stunts in DOS mode! I hope you have that determintaion when it comes to racing too. But you'll have to get used to DOSBox if you're planning to take part in 'Feel the thrill' (Is that correct, Krys? I can't remeber exactly right now). as you need DOSBox to record your racing and send the video to Krys.
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Simon82 on December 22, 2007, 10:39:03 AM
Quote from: Chulk on December 22, 2007, 05:02:04 AM
Quote from: Simon82 on December 21, 2007, 11:17:35 AM
I hate it. I don't want to get used to it. This evening I format my computer, create a C: FAT partition with best os ever created (MSDOS 6.22) and install xp on a second NTFS partition.
You surely are determined to run stunts in DOS mode! I hope you have that determintaion when it comes to racing too. But you'll have to get used to DOSBox if you're planning to take part in 'Feel the thrill' (Is that correct, Krys? I can't remeber exactly right now). as you need DOSBox to record your racing and send the video to Krys.
What about an external video made by a camera?

The problem is that in this moment I've no computers that boot in dos with fat partition... But maybe I've the solution using an old 486SX 33Mhz just for this cause. ;D
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on December 22, 2007, 05:08:08 PM
Quote from: CTG on December 21, 2007, 10:43:13 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EF3kDcDV_X

...and CTG also appears, muhahahahaha!!! ;D

...and here only two fingers...  ;)

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=5l9A_7gqmPQ
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: zaqrack on December 22, 2007, 07:36:38 PM
and a great website ;)
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Simon82 on December 22, 2007, 08:01:03 PM
Quote from: Mark L. Rivers on December 22, 2007, 05:08:08 PM
Quote from: CTG on December 21, 2007, 10:43:13 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EF3kDcDV_X

...and CTG also appears, muhahahahaha!!! ;D

...and here only two fingers...  ;)

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=5l9A_7gqmPQ
Hi italian ;D

Excellent race! You rock but I don't understand... lot of corner taken with 4th gear, my indy skid..  :P
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on December 22, 2007, 11:44:30 PM
Quote from: Simon82 on December 22, 2007, 08:01:03 PM
Quote from: Mark L. Rivers on December 22, 2007, 05:08:08 PM
Quote from: CTG on December 21, 2007, 10:43:13 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EF3kDcDV_X

...and CTG also appears, muhahahahaha!!! ;D

...and here only two fingers...  ;)

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=5l9A_7gqmPQ
Hi italian ;D

Excellent race! You rock but I don't understand... lot of corner taken with 4th gear, my indy skid..  :P

Thanks Simon82, even if I think we are still quite far from the excellence...
About your trouble turning with 4th gear... I think you have to change your guide style...  Check again the video watching the blue point on top of the steering...  ;)
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Krys TOFF on December 23, 2007, 05:46:03 PM
Quote from: Chulkyou'll have to get used to DOSBox if you're planning to take part in 'Feel the thrill' (Is that correct, Krys? I can't remeber exactly right now). as you need DOSBox to record your racing and send the video to Krys.
This is correct. ;)

Quote from: Simon82
What about an external video made by a camera?
I can accept that too if image quality is not too poor. And I remind you all that game replay will also be needed. ;)
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Chulk on December 23, 2007, 08:39:57 PM
NoRH in default is NoRH + No Shortcuts? What does OWOOT mean? My guess is One Whell On or Over the Track, but Mark cuts the corkscrew so it's not "follow the yellow line" rule. Just to make sure I don't mess the scoreboard.
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Duplode on December 23, 2007, 09:34:00 PM
Quote from: Chulk on December 23, 2007, 08:39:57 PM
NoRH in default is NoRH + No Shortcuts? What does OWOOT mean? My guess is One Whell On or Over the Track, but Mark cuts the corkscrew so it's not "follow the yellow line" rule. Just to make sure I don't mess the scoreboard.

You're probably right, NoRH + no shortcuts is more proper terminology than OWOOT, not only due to the corkscrew but more importantly due to the fast chicane after that corner at ~0:40. On the old Default topic BJ and the others used to make use of the wording "follow the road" but I'm not fully sure about what they intended with that...
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Chulk on December 23, 2007, 11:05:41 PM
OK then. I'll race a bit and send a replay before Christmas.
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on December 26, 2007, 07:20:25 PM

A step on...   :)    http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=GkCIyK3wGk4 (http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=GkCIyK3wGk4)

Well, Chulk, now it's your turn...  ;)
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Chulk on December 27, 2007, 01:46:33 AM
Nice! I'll see what I can do...
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Duplode on January 01, 2008, 06:26:24 PM
It is telling that even at Default, a track we supposedly knew like the back of our hands, there were three very different routes among the Top 5 replays - there is always room for surprise! 8) Congratulations to Ayrton and Meganium...

(PS.: Zak, just a minor observation: not that it matters much, but my replay is 0.05 shorter than the time on the scoreboard.)
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Chulk on January 01, 2008, 09:32:44 PM
Yes, it's true. That's true. Mark's way was the first I tried to get PG. But Duplode's way was amazing! And very difficult to perform I guess. Congratulations!
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: CTG on January 01, 2008, 10:11:07 PM
My version was the same as Mark had. But I already tried the starting line by-pass trick to make PG on the hillside (maybe I mentioned it at #stunts 3-4 years ago). Duplode's way was brilliant.
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on January 02, 2008, 08:30:58 AM

Congratulations to Ayrton (I said he was my favourite... ;)), Duplode and Chulk for their brilliant ways!
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: alanrotoi on February 25, 2013, 10:05:24 PM
I wonder why BJ sent that slow time... It's slow even for noRH.
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: BonzaiJoe on February 25, 2013, 10:51:02 PM
But it's not so slow for going the long way. I don't remember why I sent it. Maybe I realized I wasn't going to take the time to make a serious replay, but I felt I would like to participate on this track. It was my comeback after nearly a year out because of my carpal tunnel problems.
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: alanrotoi on February 26, 2013, 12:10:03 AM
Ouch! Didn't know... so, welcome back :D
Title: Re: ZCT 79
Post by: BonzaiJoe on February 26, 2013, 10:19:36 AM
Anyway, my replay should not have been accepted, as I violated the special rule of the track (BAFAP = Be As Fast As Possible)   :)