Results for 1st round of South American qualifiers.
URU 5-0 Bol Uru: Su?rez, Forl?n, Abreu, S?nchez, Bueno
ARG 2-0 Chi Arg: Riquelme (2)
Ecu 0-1 VEN Ven: Rey
Col 0-0 Bra
Per 0-0 Par
STANDINGS
Pos. Team GP W D L GF GA +/- Pts.
1 Uru 1 1 0 0 5 0 5 3
2 Arg 1 1 0 0 2 0 2 3
3 Ven 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 3
4 Bra 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1
4 Col 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1
4 Par 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1
4 Per 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1
8 Ecu 1 0 0 1 0 1 -1 0
9 Chi 1 0 0 1 0 2 -2 0
10 Bol 1 0 0 1 0 5 -5 0
First 4 qualify for World Cup. 5th will play for a place in South Africa 2010 against Oceania?s winner (Australia for sure!).
Next round (2nd round)
Venezuela ? Argentina (16-Oct)
Bolivia ? Colombia (17-Oct)
Paraguay ? Uruguay (17-Oct)
Chile ? Per? (17-Oct)
Brasil ? Ecuador (17-Oct)
Separate topic? We have the annual Football Fanats thing... :)
Brasil will suffer a lot this time.
After watching some Copa America matches this summer, measuring up the strength of the teams with it, and taking some other results into account, I think the qualifiers will be:
1 Argentina
2 Brazil
3 Uruguay
4 Paraguay
I'm not quite sure for Paraguay, Venezuela and Chile also has some chance.
In my opinion:
5 Chile
Not qualifying:
6 Venezuela
7 Colombia
8 Peru
9 Ecuador
10 Bolivia
Quote from: Akoss Poo on October 16, 2007, 05:45:11 PM
I think the qualifiers will be:
1 Argentina
2 Brazil
3 Uruguay
4 Paraguay
I'm not quite sure for Paraguay, Venezuela and Chile also has some chance.
In my opinion:
5 Chile
Not qualifying:
6 Venezuela
7 Colombia
8 Peru
9 Ecuador
10 Bolivia
No way. My bet is...
1 Argentina
2 Brasil (Never plays qualifiers seriously)
3 Paraguay (Always hard to beat)
4 Chile (Lots of young players, Bielsa is great at developing new talents. See Mascherano if you don't believe me)
5 Uruguay (As usual, depending on a good result against Argentina in the 18th round.)
6 Ecuador (Not many young players to cope with generation change)
7 Colombia (Far from its best times)
8 Peru (Not as strong as in Copa Am?rica)
9 Venezuela (Lucky win against Ecuador, is still weaker than everybody else but Bolivia)
10 Bolivia (Same problems as always)
LOL there's not too much difference! :) The same top5, only 2 team's position differ by more than 2 places. :)
I know. My 'No way' was about Venezuela having a chance to qualify. The rest is quite the same.
Quote from: CTG on October 16, 2007, 05:04:14 PM
Separate topic? We have the annual Football Fanats thing... :)
I didn't wanted this topic to get lost among all Hungarian Football. And I was hoping it would be a very replied topic, that's why I made it separated.
On Akoss predictions, the main point I can't see happening is Uruguay having a smooth cruise to the Cup as 3rd (well, at least they won't be facing Australia this time ;D). As for us, 2nd is probable at least for we're conceding few goals lately but man... Sunday's game was sickening to watch, and it was no exception either.
Quote from: ChulkI didn't wanted this topic to get lost among all Hungarian Football.
Anyway, what's the interest of the weak of Hungarian football championship ? Let's talk about Spanish or English championships which are way more interesting. :P
South America qualifications ? Well, I don't care : Brazil and Argentina will be qualified logically (and it's important for the interest of the world cup) and the other teams qualified will be sparring partners for European qualified countries during the world cup, whoever they are.
Don't be so sure. Paraguay is a very good defensive team and they gave European teams a hard time lately. The rest of them is not that strong but still they can give a surprise to some over-confident Euro teams.
And remember Greece was Euro champion and they're not a dream team...
Quote from: ChulkDon't be so sure. Paraguay is a very good defensive team and they gave European teams a hard time lately. The rest of them is not that strong but still they can give a surprise to some over-confident Euro teams.
And remember Greece was Euro champion and they're not a dream team...
I don't like too defensive teams like Creece, Paraguay, Scotland, ... This is interest-less football played by teams unable to have decent forward players.
Ven 0-2 ARG Arg: G. Milito, Messi
STANDINGS
Pos. Team GP W D L GF GA +/- Pts.
1 Arg 2 2 0 0 4 0 4 6
2 Uru 1 1 0 0 5 0 5 3
3 Ven 2 1 0 1 1 2 -1 3
4 Bra 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1
4 Col 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1
4 Par 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1
4 Per 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1
8 Ecu 1 0 0 1 0 1 -1 0
9 Chi 1 0 0 1 0 2 -2 0
10 Bol 1 0 0 1 0 5 -5 0
Today:
Bolivia ? Colombia
Paraguay ? Uruguay
Chile ? Per?
Brasil ? Ecuador
Top scorers.
1 Riquelme (Arg) 2
2 Everybody else who scored 1
T?ff: but you are the only French here, no spanish, no british pipsqueaks. Anyway YOU (ALMOST) NEVER TALK ABOUT THE MENTIONED CHAMPIONSHIPS. Why? Easy to say, hard to do? :P
Quote from: Krys TOFF on October 17, 2007, 04:34:45 PM
I don't like too defensive teams like Creece, Paraguay, Scotland, ... This is interest-less football played by teams unable to have decent forward players.
I partialy agree with you. It is boring but it works. Besides, Italy has some great forwards and still they play cattenaccio, because that's what they're used to do and it's what they're good at (Except for Milan, of course)
PAR 1-0 Uru Par: Haedo.
BRA 5-0 Ecu Bra: Vagner Love, Ronaldinho, Kak? (2), Elano.
Bol 0-0 Col
CHI 2-0 Per Chi: Suazo, M. Fernandez.
STANDINGS
Pos. Team GP W D L GF GA +/- Pts.
1 Arg 2 2 0 0 4 0 4 6
2 Bra 2 1 1 0 5 0 5 4
3 Par 2 1 1 0 1 0 1 4
4 Uru 2 1 0 1 5 1 4 3
5 Chi 2 1 0 1 2 2 0 3
6 Ven 2 1 0 1 1 2 -1 3
7 Col 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 2
8 Per 2 0 1 1 0 2 -2 1
9 Bol 2 0 1 1 0 5 -5 1
10 Ecu 2 0 0 2 0 6 -6 0
Top scorers
1 Riquelme 2
1 Kak? 2
3 The rest 1
Next round (3rd round) will be played between 17-18/November/2007
Paraguay - Ecuador
Uruguay - Chile
Per? - Brasil
Argentina - Bolivia
Colombia - Venezuela
Quote from: CTG
T?ff: but you are the only French here, no spanish, no british pipsqueaks. Anyway YOU (ALMOST) NEVER TALK ABOUT THE MENTIONED CHAMPIONSHIPS. Why? Easy to say, hard to do? :P
Because the few times I tried to talk about it, you, Akoss and Usrin came back to talk about Hungarian championship. So I considered you didn't care and decided to follow these championships myself and keep my comments and feelings for me.
I still think that Spanish championship is the most interesting in Europe, followed by English one. 3rd is German one, 4th Italian one (the only interesting team in Italy is AS Roma that plays a good attack football, other teams play a way too much defense football to interest me) and French championship is only the 5th in interest in my opinion, mainly because best French players don't play in France because they earn more money in other countries.
Hungarian Division 5 is the most interesting with B?csa FC (my local team) and Felp?c SE ("deadly" rival). Or Division 7 with Cs?fodj?nosfa (worst team on Earth few years ago... :D)
3rd round updated
ARG 3 - 0 Bol
COL 1 - 0 Ven
PAR 5 - 1 Ecu
Per 1 - 1 Bra
Uru 2 - 2 Chi
STANDINGS
Pos. Team GP W D L GF GA +/- Pts.
1 Arg 3 3 0 0 7 0 7 9
2 Par 3 2 1 0 6 1 5 7
3 Bra 3 1 2 0 6 1 5 5
4 Col 3 1 2 0 1 0 1 5
5 Uru 3 1 1 1 7 3 4 4
6 Chi 3 1 1 1 4 4 0 4
7 Ven 3 1 0 2 1 3 -2 3
8 Per 3 0 2 1 1 3 -2 2
9 Bol 3 0 1 2 0 8 -8 1
10 Ecu 3 0 0 3 1 11 -10 0
What's up with Ecuador? Didn't they get in the last 16 in the 2006 world cup?
Yes, they did and qualify as 3rd in America. But some players retire and their subs are not that good. Anyway they fired their coach and won today 5 - 1 against Peru. (Update of 4th round in a while)
South American qualifiers are more interesting than in Europe. The worst teams are still good, I guess Peru or Ecuador are on the same level with Scotland or Denmark.
VEN 5 - 3 Bol (Great game, very thrilling!)
COL 2 - 1 Arg (Colombia won 3 out of 3 when Argentina's coach was Basile >:()
ECU 5 - 1 Per
BRA 2 - 1 Uru (Uruguay deserved to win by 2 or 3 goals, but still the Scratch won :'()
Chi 0 - 3 PAR (They are the new leaders now)
STANDINGS
Pos. Team GP W D L GF GA +/- Pts.
1 Par 4 3 1 0 9 1 8 10
2 Arg 4 3 0 1 8 2 6 9
3 Bra 4 2 2 0 8 2 6 8
4 Col 4 2 2 0 3 1 2 8
5 Ven 4 2 0 2 6 6 0 6
6 Uru 4 1 1 2 8 5 3 4
7 Chi 4 1 1 2 4 7 -3 4
8 Ecu 4 1 0 3 6 12 -6 3
9 Per 4 0 2 2 2 8 -6 2
10 Bol 4 0 1 3 3 13 -10 1
Next round (5th) will be played 14-15/June/2008
And 6th round just 2 days after that: 17-18/June/2008
Quote from: Chulk on November 22, 2007, 03:06:11 PM
10 Bol 4 0 1 3 3 13 -10 0
Bolivia got 1 draw, so they should have 1 point, not zero. ;)
Quote from: Krys TOFF on November 23, 2007, 12:52:44 PM
Quote from: Chulk on November 22, 2007, 03:06:11 PM
10 Bol 4 0 1 3 3 13 -10 0
Bolivia got 1 draw, so they should have 1 point, not zero. ;)
Yes, sorry. Conmebol's mistake (I copy paste their standings and make it clearer for Stunts forum). Already corrected.
Quote from: Chulk on November 22, 2007, 03:06:11 PM
BRA 2 - 1 Uru (Uruguay deserved to win by 2 or 3 goals, but still the Scratch won :'()
Chi 0 - 3 PAR (They are the new leaders now)
True, our NT is rubbish at the moment, no progress at all since Germany. I am still wondering how Argentina could lose Copa America...
Quote from: Duplode on November 23, 2007, 10:54:25 PM
Quote from: Chulk on November 22, 2007, 03:06:11 PM
BRA 2 - 1 Uru (Uruguay deserved to win by 2 or 3 goals, but still the Scratch won :'()
Chi 0 - 3 PAR (They are the new leaders now)
True, our NT is rubbish at the moment, no progress at all since Germany. I am still wondering how Argentina could lose Copa America...
I do too! I think our team was too overconfident because Brazil didn't have all their stars and they played with a "b" team. Anyway, it doesn't matter now.
Finally Qualifiers resume!
5th round update:
Uruguay 1 - 1 Venezuela
Perú 1 - 1 Colombia
Paraguay 2 - 0 Brasil ;D
Argentina 1 - 1 Ecuador >:(
Bolivia 0 - 2 Chile
TEAM GP W D L GF GA +/- Pts.
Paraguay 5 4 1 0 11 1 10 13
Argentina 5 3 1 1 9 3 6 10
Colombia 5 2 3 0 4 2 2 9
Brasil 5 2 2 1 8 4 4 8
Venezuela 5 2 1 2 7 7 0 7
Chile 5 2 1 2 6 7 -1 7
Uruguay 5 1 2 2 9 6 3 5
Ecuador 5 1 1 3 7 13 -6 4
Perú 5 0 3 2 3 9 -6 3
Bolivia 5 0 1 4 3 15 -12 1
6th round (17-18 / June)
Uruguay - Perú
Brasil - Argentina :o :o :o
Bolivia - Paraguay
Ecuador - Colombia
Venezuela - Chile
*Correction: 5th will play against CONCACAF 4th for a place in WC South Africa 2010
Quote from: Chulk on June 17, 2008, 11:24:57 PM
Paraguay 2 - 0 Brasil ;D
Argentina 1 - 1 Ecuador >:(
Let's ask Dark Chaser and Duplode about this. ;D
Quote from: CTG on June 18, 2008, 08:34:36 AM
Quote from: Chulk on June 17, 2008, 11:24:57 PM
Paraguay 2 - 0 Brasil ;D
Argentina 1 - 1 Ecuador >:(
Let's ask Dark Chaser and Duplode about this. ;D
Nothing to be said other than noting this Brazilian NT - regardless of the presence or absence of Kaká, Ronaldinho, etc. - is the worst seen in my lifetime, beating even the '00-'01 squad back when Émerson Leão was the manager. One light-hearted appreciation of the matter is: considering the origing of our manager's nickname...
Quote from: WikipediaDunga's nickname is Portuguese for Dopey, one of the Seven Dwarfs. Carlos' uncle gave him this nickname when he believed that Carlos would never grow to a tall stature.
... he'd better be called "Sleepy" instead, considering how his team performs.
In fact, the current situation is so embarassing and uncomfortable I am forced to admit I wouldn't feel so bad if logic prevailed and we lost tonight's match as long as it meant the immediate resignation/sacking of Dunga - unlikely scenario, however, with the Olympics a mere month ahead... ::) As for the actual match, though, one must consider that for "some" reason Argentina lately always tends to go missing in action when facing us... ::) ;D
Quote from: Chulk on June 17, 2008, 11:24:57 PM
6th round (17-18 / June)
Uruguay - Perú
Brasil - Argentina :o :o :o
Bolivia - Paraguay
Ecuador - Colombia
Venezuela - Chile
results :
Uruguay 6 - 0 Perú :D
Brasil 0 - 0 Argentina :P
Bolivia 4 - 2 Paraguay (:D last winning versus the 1st)
Ecuador 0 - 0 Colombia
Venezuela - Chile will be played 20th of June.
Quote from: Krys TOFF on June 19, 2008, 10:02:38 AM
Venezuela - Chile will be played 20th of June.
No, it will be played tonight. Update will come tomorrow afternoon most likely.
Quote from: Chulk on June 19, 2008, 03:28:00 PM
Quote from: Krys TOFF on June 19, 2008, 10:02:38 AM
Venezuela - Chile will be played 20th of June.
No, it will be played tonight. Update will come tomorrow afternoon most likely.
According to our timezone difference, 21H in South America means already 20th of June in France. :D :P
Yes, I know. But that doesn't mean the match will be played the 20th as it is played in Venezuela.
Sure, but info I got was on French sports website, so they put French time. ;)
I realized that it meant 19th in local time only after your post. ;D
Quote from: Krys TOFF on June 19, 2008, 05:50:25 PM
Sure, but info I got was on French sports website, so they put French time. ;)
I realized that it meant 19th in local time only after your post. ;D
Maybe you concentrated on something else... a hot chick? ;D
Quote from: CTG on June 19, 2008, 06:02:32 PM
Quote from: Krys TOFF on June 19, 2008, 05:50:25 PM
Sure, but info I got was on French sports website, so they put French time. ;)
I realized that it meant 19th in local time only after your post. ;D
Maybe you concentrated on something else... a hot chick? ;D
I don't think so, else, he would have posted her in the appropiate topic, right? ;)
7th round updates. Brazil is now well positioned (jumped from 5th to 2nd place) Argentina is 3rd (only 3 points in last 4 matches played after winning the first 3,Basile really sucks!).
| Colombia | 0 | - | 1 | Uruguay |
| Argentina | 1 | - | 1 | Paraguay |
| Ecuador | 3 | - | 1 | Bolivia |
| Peru | 1 | - | 0 | Venezuela |
| Chile | 0 | - | 3 | Brazil |
Standings
| TEAM | PTS | P | W | D | L | GF | GA |
| Paraguay | 14 | 7 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 14 | 6 |
| Brazil | 12 | 7 | 3 | 3 | 1 | 11 | 4 |
| Argentina | 12 | 7 | 3 | 3 | 1 | 10 | 4 |
| Uruguay | 11 | 7 | 3 | 2 | 2 | 16 | 6 |
| Colombia | 10 | 7 | 2 | 4 | 1 | 4 | 3 |
| Chile | 10 | 7 | 3 | 1 | 3 | 9 | 12 |
| Ecuador | 8 | 7 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 10 | 14 |
| Venezuela | 7 | 7 | 2 | 1 | 4 | 9 | 11 |
| Peru | 6 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 3 | 4 | 15 |
| Bolivia | 4 | 7 | 1 | 1 | 5 | 8 | 20
|
Next round (8th)
Brazil - Bolivia
Chile - Colombia
Paraguay - Venezuela
Peru - Argentina
Uruguay - Ecuador
I finally learnt how to use Tables! Thanks CTG (I stole the format from Monthly Updated Forumn Stats)!
8th round update. Uruguay with a small advantage for 5th spot on Colombia and Ecuador, but everything is close (If they had won, they would be 2nd) in one of the closest qualifiers in years! Brazil played awfully again (after a good victory against Chile) and got a draw against the last one at home, and Argentina played as awful as we are playing lately for another draw (And 5 matches without winning - 6 counting the friendly match against Belarus). Chile recovered from last 0-3 against Brazil and kicked some Colombian asses. Paraguay is really solid and has a confortable lead. Bolivia, Peru and Venezuela seem to have no chance to qualify when we're almost half way (8/18 rounds).
| Brazil | 0 | - | 0 | Bolivia |
| Chile | 4 | - | 0 | Colombia |
| Paraguay | 2 | - | 0 | Venezuela |
| Uruguay | 0 | - | 0 | Ecuador |
| Peru | 1 | - | 1 | Argentina |
Standings
| TEAM | PTS | P | W | D | L | GF | GA |
| Par | 17 | 8 | 5 | 2 | 1 | 16 | 6 |
| Bra | 13 | 8 | 3 | 4 | 1 | 11 | 4 |
| Arg | 13 | 8 | 3 | 4 | 1 | 11 | 5 |
| Chi | 13 | 8 | 4 | 1 | 3 | 13 | 12 |
| Uru | 12 | 8 | 3 | 3 | 2 | 16 | 6 |
| Col | 10 | 8 | 2 | 4 | 2 | 4 | 7 |
| Ecu | 9 | 8 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 10 | 14 |
| Ven | 7 | 8 | 2 | 1 | 5 | 9 | 13 |
| Per | 7 | 8 | 1 | 4 | 3 | 5 | 16 |
| Bol | 5 | 8 | 1 | 2 | 5 | 8 | 20 |
Next round (9th) scheduled for 11/12 - October will end first half of the competition.
Colombia - Paraguay
Bolivia - Peru
Ecuador - Chile
Venezuela - Peru
Argentina - Uruguay
So that's why my Peruvian Facebook friend has "1- 1...con garra!!!" as his status report...
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on September 11, 2008, 05:17:40 PM
So that's why my Peruvian Facebook friend has "1- 1...con garra!!!" as his status report...
Exactly, though it probably should say "1-1... Gracias Basile por ser pesimo!"
Argentina sucked again (Maybe we should change our coach) and lost for the first time in 10 matches against Chile in qualifyers (6-3-1) and first time since '73. All of our good streaks are ending with Basile as coach, really nice...
Update of rounds 9 and 10 after round 10th finishes.
Basile stepped down. What is now? Who is the next?
It's weird to see Argentina suffering in the qualifications with this incredible stock of players. :-\ Vamos Argentina! ;)
Quote from: CTG on October 18, 2008, 01:09:41 AM
Basile stepped down. What is now? Who is the next?
It's weird to see Argentina suffering in the qualifications with this incredible stock of players. :-\ Vamos Argentina! ;)
We are not suffering, everybody knows we'll qualify, even without a coach. The thing is tactics are more important than players today (as Bielsa really taught Basile last match).
Who's next? A few names...
Batista (World Champion in 86, the one with a long beard, looks like Jesus) is my favourite and he won the gold medal in Beijing, so he would be great for the generation change. Besides he likes offensive football.
Russo (coaches the actual leader of Argentina's league). Quite good with tactical work and hardworking, but not NT material for me... (he is "Pechofrio" I don't know how to say it in English...)
Maradona, the first choice in everybody's hearts but not first if you think carefully. I would like to see him as an assistant coach of Batista and not as the main coach.
Bianchi (won Libertadores and Intercontinental cup with Boca Jrs., back when Boca Jrs. won 3 Libertadores around 2000). He refused to coach the NT once, so he doesn't deserve to coach it now, at least that's how I feel.
A bit delayed but here it is...
9th round results
| Bolivia | 3 | - | 0 | Peru |
| Argentina | 2 | - | 1 | Uruguay |
| Colombia | 0 | - | 1 | Paraguay |
| Venezuela | 0 | - | 4 | Brazil |
| Ecuador | 1 | - | 0 | Chile |
10th round results
| Bolivia | 2 | - | 2 | Uruguay |
| Paraguay | 1 | - | 0 | Peru |
| Chile | 1 | - | 0 | Argentina |
| Venezuela | 3 | - | 1 | Ecuador |
| Brazil | 0 | - | 0 | Colombia |
Paraguay won both matches and got 6 points away from Brazil and 11 points away from elimination, we can say they'll be at next WC for sure! Brazil played a great match at Venezuela but then fail to win at home (again). Argentina won it's first (an only) official match in 2008 but then was tactic and resourseless to beat a very disciplined Chile at Santiago. 10 points divide 2nd place from last and there are only 6 points between last classified (Uruguay) and last place (Peru) so every team has a chance, though it looks like Brazil, Argentina, Chile and Paraguay have some advantage against the others, leaving Uruguay, Ecuador, Colombia and Venezuela fighting for last spot. Peru has played to awfully to think they have a shot and Bolivia will have to win every match at La Paz and get around 6 or 7 points away from Home's height advantage to qualify, and those 7 points seem too far to get.
Standings
| TEAM | PTS | P | W | D | L | GF | GA |
| Par | 23 | 10 | 7 | 2 | 1 | 18 | 6 |
| Bra | 17 | 10 | 4 | 5 | 1 | 15 | 4 |
| Arg | 16 | 10 | 4 | 4 | 2 | 13 | 7 |
| Chi | 16 | 10 | 5 | 1 | 4 | 14 | 13 |
| Uru | 13 | 10 | 3 | 4 | 3 | 19 | 10 |
| Ecu | 12 | 10 | 3 | 3 | 4 | 12 | 17 |
| Col | 11 | 10 | 2 | 5 | 3 | 4 | 8 |
| Ven | 10 | 10 | 3 | 1 | 6 | 12 | 18 |
| Bol | 9 | 10 | 2 | 3 | 5 | 13 | 22 |
| Per | 7 | 10 | 1 | 4 | 5 | 5 | 20 |
Next 2 rounds:
11th (28/29 - March - 2009)
Ecuador - Brasil
Argentina - Venezuela
Perú - Chile
Uruguay - Paraguay
Colombia - Bolivia
12th (1/2 - April - 2009)
Ecuador - Paraguay
Venezuela - Colombia
Chile - Uruguay
Bolivia - Argentina
Brasil - Perú
Quote from: Chulk on October 18, 2008, 06:11:53 AM
Maradona, the first choice in everybody's hearts but not first if you think carefully. I would like to see him as an assistant coach of Batista and not as the main coach.
Now it seems hearts decided that question...
Yes, too bad. As far as his coaching career, he averages only 35% of points he played, which is almost the same as drawing every match. Anyway, the real coach will be Bilardo (Champion and vice-champion in '86 and '90), and he'll have a lot of assistants around him. Hopefully it won't be so bad...
It will be official today (Maradona's 48th birthday), football "D10S" (as we call him) will be Argentina's Coach. He will have an experienced team around him to help, like Bilardo (Argentina's coach in World Cups of '86 and '90) and some other local coaches with good ideas and willing to work (Many of them took part in '86 team). Some of the most mentioned names are:
Burruchaga, he score victory goal against Germany in '86 and had good results as a coach here.
Troglio, also played in '86 and '90, he's the one with curly hair yelling at the refferee in '90 final against Germany.
Yesterday i saw to Basile in the Bank, maybe receiving his balance ...
I would have preferred to Bianchi, anyway Maradona can be good as coach. I think that the selection of a coach is not so important as the removal method, but yes this time, because we are in the limit of the classification.
Quote from: Chulk on October 30, 2008, 05:25:43 PM
He will have an experienced team around him to help, like Bilardo (Argentina's coach in World Cups of '86 and '90) and some other local coaches with good ideas and willing to work (Many of them took part in '86 team).
So it will be sort of a "management by committee", at least in the initial months... let's see how it goes.
Quote from: Ayrton on November 01, 2008, 01:30:36 AM
I would have preferred to Bianchi, anyway Maradona can be good as coach. I think that the selection of a coach is not so important as the removal method, but yes this time, because we are in the limit of the classification.
Maradona at least has charisma and personality - one wonders how exactly that would convert into leadership, though, and how would the relationships within the management team would work. Anyway, more than the qualification itself I (from my unprivileged point of view)
suppose the biggest fear should be that your NT goes down the same route Brazil went - playing sucky football in nine out of ten games. And having both Brazil and Argentina sucking at the same time would be bad for everyone, for football as a whole...
I wonder what happens if present Argentina or Brazil plays agains England, Germany..... they will destroy us!!
I don't like Maradona as manager, he has almost none experience. I prefer Bianchi.
Quote from: Rotoi
I wonder what happens if present Argentina or Brazil plays agains England, Germany..... they will destroy us!!
Germany probably, but England, not so sure...
Quote from: Rotoi on November 01, 2008, 10:22:53 AM
I wonder what happens if present Argentina or Brazil plays agains England, Germany..... they will destroy us!!
I don't like Maradona as manager, he has almost none experience. I prefer Bianchi.
I guess Germany will beat us, not sure about England, you guys know "que nacieron hijos nuestros..."
Maradona is the new manager of Argentina... :o
Quote from: Rotoi on November 08, 2008, 12:01:55 AM
Maradona is the new manager of Argentina... :o
Quote from: Chulk on October 30, 2008, 05:25:43 PM
It will be official today (Maradona's 48th birthday), football "D10S" (as we call him) will be Argentina's Coach.
You are a beat behind Alan... Anyway, so far, he did more than what Basile did in his period. He went to Europe and watched many matches where our players played, and talked to many of them too, to know what they feel about the NT and what they think needs a change from Basile's time. I would say everything, but he won't ask me. Unless... (Having a thought similar to Captain Tsubasa) :D
Niupi niupi rah rah rah!
Quote from: Rotoi on November 08, 2008, 04:55:11 AM
Niupi niupi rah rah rah!
I read this without understanding and came back after 10 mins when I realized you meant Newpy.
Te dejo un link que va a hacer que se te piante un lagrimon
Intro Super campeones (http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=getTiTDAubc)(Hasta tiene traducida la letra original) Recomendado verlo en Alta Calidad
Y fijate que ese usuario los habia subido todos, pero un hacker se los borro asi que los esta subiendo de nuevo.
Si no queres esperar, Lipechupao los subio todos ya, aunque tardan bastante mas en cargar que los de Frank...
11th round update! Uruguay played a solid mtach and beat Paraguay clearly.
Diego Maradona's official debut was great. Argentina played like it should, Messi was great (he doesn't have to slow down because Riquelme quit the NT, lucky for us!) and got an easy victory over Venezuela.
Bolivia played with a "B" team to have their top team against Argentina on Wednesday. It's not a surprise Colombia beat them.
Brazil suffered from the 2800m over sea level at Quito, but got a draw thanks to the GK. Ecuador deserved more but almost lost, scoring the draw goal in added time.
Peru was really poor and lost 1-3 against a tacticly disciplined Chile in the Atlantic derby.
| Uruguay | 2 | - | 0 | Paraguay |
| Argentina | 4 | - | 0 | Venezuela |
| Colombia | 2 | - | 0 | Bolivia |
| Ecuador | 1 | - | 1 | Brazil |
| Peru | 1 | - | 3 | Chile |
Uruguay, Colombia and Ecuador are fighting for 5th place, that will play against 4th in Concacaf for a place in WC.
Standings
| TEAM | P | W | D | L | GF | GA | DIF | PTS |
| Paraguay | 11 | 7 | 2 | 2 | 18 | 8 | 10 | 23 |
| Argentina | 11 | 5 | 4 | 2 | 17 | 7 | 10 | 19 |
| Chile | 11 | 6 | 1 | 4 | 17 | 14 | 3 | 19 |
| Brasil | 11 | 4 | 6 | 1 | 16 | 5 | 11 | 18 |
| Uruguay | 11 | 4 | 4 | 3 | 21 | 10 | 11 | 16 |
| Colombia | 11 | 3 | 5 | 3 | 6 | 8 | -2 | 14 |
| Ecuador | 11 | 3 | 4 | 4 | 13 | 18 | -5 | 13 |
| Venezuela | 11 | 3 | 1 | 7 | 12 | 22 | -10 | 10 |
| Bolivia | 11 | 2 | 3 | 6 | 13 | 24 | -11 | 9 |
| Perú | 11 | 1 | 4 | 6 | 6 | 23 | -17 | 7 |
Top Scorers
| LUÍS FABIANO | (Brazil) | 4 |
| FORLÁN Diego | (Uruguay) | 4 |
| ABREU Sebastián | (Uruguay) | 4 |
| RIQUELME Juan Román | (Argentina) | 4 |
| 9 players | - | 3 |
Next round (12th)
| Venezuela | - | Colombia |
| Chile | - | Uruguay |
| Brasil | - | Perú |
| Bolivia | - | Argentina |
| Ecuador | - | Paraguay |
Quote from: Chulk on March 30, 2009, 08:56:52 PM
11th round update!
Uruguay played a solid mtach and beat Paraguay clearly.
Diego Maradona's official debut was great. Argentina played like it should, Messi was great (he doesn't have to slow down because Riquelme quit the NT, lucky for us!) and got an easy victory over Venezuela.
Bolivia played with a "B" team to have their top team against Argentina on Wednesday. It's not a surprise Colombia beat them.
Why would that be? They would have a chance vs Colombia with their A team, but will lose vs Argentina even with their best and most rested team. It doesn't seem to make sense...
Quote
Brazil suffered from the 2800m over sea level at Quito, but got a draw thanks to the GK. Ecuador deserved more but almost lost, scoring the draw goal in added time.
Peru was really poor and lost 1-3 against a tacticly disciplined Chile in the Atlantic derby.
So Brazil vs Argentina is the Pacific derby? :D
Quote
| Uruguay | 2 | - | 0 | Paraguay |
| Argentina | 4 | - | 0 | Venezuela |
| Colombia | 2 | - | 0 | Bolivia |
| Ecuador | 1 | - | 1 | Brazil |
| Peru | 1 | - | 3 | Chile |
Uruguay, Colombia and Ecuador are fighting for 5th place, that will play against 4th in Concacaf for a place in WC.
Standings
| TEAM | P | W | D | L | GF | GA | DIF | PTS |
| Paraguay | 11 | 7 | 2 | 2 | 18 | 8 | 10 | 23 |
| Argentina | 11 | 5 | 4 | 2 | 17 | 7 | 10 | 19 |
| Chile | 11 | 6 | 1 | 4 | 17 | 14 | 3 | 19 |
| Brasil | 11 | 4 | 6 | 1 | 16 | 5 | 11 | 18 |
| Uruguay | 11 | 4 | 4 | 3 | 21 | 10 | 11 | 16 |
| Colombia | 11 | 3 | 5 | 3 | 6 | 8 | -2 | 14 |
| Ecuador | 11 | 3 | 4 | 4 | 13 | 18 | -5 | 13 |
| Venezuela | 11 | 3 | 1 | 7 | 12 | 22 | -10 | 10 |
| Bolivia | 11 | 2 | 3 | 6 | 13 | 24 | -11 | 9 |
| Perú | 11 | 1 | 4 | 6 | 6 | 23 | -17 | 7 |
Top Scorers
| LUÍS FABIANO | (Brazil) | 4 |
| FORLÁN Diego | (Uruguay) | 4 |
| ABREU Sebastián | (Uruguay) | 4 |
| RIQUELME Juan Román | (Argentina) | 4 |
| 9 players | - | 3 |
Next round (12th)
| Venezuela | - | Colombia |
| Chile | - | Uruguay |
| Brasil | - | Perú |
| Bolivia | - | Argentina |
| Ecuador | - | Paraguay |
Thank you for the update!
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on March 30, 2009, 10:38:53 PM
Quote from: Chulk on March 30, 2009, 08:56:52 PM
Bolivia played with a "B" team to have their top team against Argentina on Wednesday. It's not a surprise Colombia beat them.
Why would that be? They would have a chance vs Colombia with their A team, but will lose vs Argentina even with their best and most rested team. It doesn't seem to make sense...
They think they have a better chance playing in La Paz as they'll be playing at 3570m over sea level, where Argentina's team will have a hard time with the lack of oxigen...
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on March 30, 2009, 10:38:53 PM
QuoteBrazil suffered from the 2800m over sea level at Quito, but got a draw thanks to the GK. Ecuador deserved more but almost lost, scoring the draw goal in added time.
Peru was really poor and lost 1-3 against a tacticly disciplined Chile in the Atlantic derby.
So Brazil vs Argentina is the Pacific derby? :D
I made a stupid mistake, and No. Argentina vs Brazil is FOOTBALL derby! ;) (I know Dup will agree)
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on March 30, 2009, 10:38:53 PM
Thank you for the update!
You're welcome!
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on March 30, 2009, 10:38:53 PM
Quote from: Chulk on March 30, 2009, 08:56:52 PM
Bolivia played with a "B" team to have their top team against Argentina on Wednesday. It's not a surprise Colombia beat them.
Why would that be? They would have a chance vs Colombia with their A team, but will lose vs Argentina even with their best and most rested team. It doesn't seem to make sense...
I guess Chulk can give a pretty assured answer on whether it made sense or not... ;D ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujhB3DHzLlk#noexternalembed&hl=en&fs=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujhB3DHzLlk#noexternalembed&hl=en&fs=1)
Quote from: Duplode on April 02, 2009, 02:51:36 AM
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on March 30, 2009, 10:38:53 PM
Quote from: Chulk on March 30, 2009, 08:56:52 PM
Bolivia played with a "B" team to have their top team against Argentina on Wednesday. It's not a surprise Colombia beat them.
Why would that be? They would have a chance vs Colombia with their A team, but will lose vs Argentina even with their best and most rested team. It doesn't seem to make sense...
I guess Chulk can give a pretty assured answer on whether it made sense or not... ;D ;D
I wanted to insult him first but how could I overtake a Brasilian in that... ;D
Quote from: CTG on April 02, 2009, 02:56:50 AM
Quote from: Duplode on April 02, 2009, 02:51:36 AM
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on March 30, 2009, 10:38:53 PM
Quote from: Chulk on March 30, 2009, 08:56:52 PM
Bolivia played with a "B" team to have their top team against Argentina on Wednesday. It's not a surprise Colombia beat them.
Why would that be? They would have a chance vs Colombia with their A team, but will lose vs Argentina even with their best and most rested team. It doesn't seem to make sense...
I guess Chulk can give a pretty assured answer on whether it made sense or not... ;D ;D
I wanted to insult him first but how could I overtake a Brasilian in that... ;D
Well, I see why Dup did it (they didn't lose in La Paz) but I really wonder how would Hungary do at 3500m over sea level... Or in a South Africa (oh, yes. We'll be there, will you?)
Quote from: Chulk on April 02, 2009, 05:51:40 AM
We'll be there, will you?
The point is that we are not expected to be there, while the strong Argentina... well... 6-1 versus Bolivia... from the so called best team of South America... 5 goals difference is a lot! Even if the coach is a big fat drug addict "handball" player... :D
Sorry! ;D Good luck to the next matches - already without Maradona. He's a damned bad coach.
You really can notice I was unbelievable mad, right?
The thing is Maradona did all previous analysis of the match wrong. He thouhgt those damned 3500m wouldn't be such an issue. HUGE mistake! You can see how it affects a player by seeing how Mascherano (Yes, Mascherano!) stood still and lost his man several times, opening his mouth as much as he could, in an attemp to catch some air...
I will let myself go on with the explanation in next update, probably Thursday night.
12th round update!
| Venezuela | 2 | - | 0 | Colombia |
| Bolivia | 6 | - | 1 | Argentina |
| Brazil | 3 | - | 0 | Peru |
| Chile | 0 | - | 0 | Uruguay |
| Ecuador | 1 | - | 1 | Paraguay |
Venezuela had to win, and they did it. They could have scored a couple more times, too.
Bolivia gave Argentina its biggest defeat in Argentina's NT history (1-6 against Czechoslovakia, in '58's WC). Maradona's tactic was completely wrong. He played 4-4-2, which was about right, but played Papa as a Left Side Back (his best characteristic is not precisely his defense...), 2 Side MidFielders whose defense isn't the best either (M. Rodriguez & L. Gonzalez) and 2 really fast Forwards (Messi & Tevez) where it was obvious they wouldn't be able to do what they do best, when the oxigen is lacking, as it does in La Paz... Hope we learnt the lesson for the future.
Brazil was solid against the worst team right now, and clearly relaxed or else the diference would have been much bigger.
Chile got a draw playing with only 10 men against Uruguay, who pushed hard but couldn't score.
Same as against Brazil, Ecuador deserved to win by a couple of goals (at least) but failed to score and Paraguay scored in the very last minute.
Standings| TEAM | PTS | GP | W | D | L | GF | GA | Dif |
| Paraguay | 24 | 12 | 7 | 3 | 2 | 19 | 9 | 10 |
| Brasil | 21 | 12 | 5 | 6 | 1 | 19 | 5 | 14 |
| Chile | 20 | 12 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 17 | 14 | 3 |
| Argentina | 19 | 12 | 5 | 4 | 3 | 18 | 13 | 5 |
| Uruguay | 17 | 12 | 4 | 5 | 3 | 21 | 10 | 11 |
| Colombia | 14 | 12 | 3 | 5 | 4 | 6 | 10 | -4 |
| Ecuador | 14 | 12 | 3 | 5 | 4 | 14 | 19 | -5 |
| Venezuela | 13 | 12 | 4 | 1 | 7 | 14 | 22 | -8 |
| Bolivia | 12 | 12 | 3 | 3 | 6 | 19 | 25 | -6 |
| Perú | 7 | 12 | 1 | 4 | 7 | 6 | 26 | -20 |
Nex round (13th) will be played around 06/June/2009
| Paraguay | - | Chile |
| Perú | - | Ecuador |
| Bolivia | - | Venezuela |
| Uruguay | - | Brasil |
| Argentina | - | Colombia |
Argentina v. Mexico is a matchup with a long history, a World Cup classic should I say. Too bad we'll likely have it as a mere qualifying playoff this time ;D