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Title: Stunts WIKI
Post by: BonzaiJoe on December 30, 2007, 03:50:18 PM
One thing I really love about this community is how we've almost developed our own language. I think it could be great if we could list all the terms here and maybe make some kind of encyclopedia :)

Some obvious examples are:

R(eplay) H(andling)
Power gear/6th gear
Magic Carpet
Time Hiding

Let's list them all :)
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Chulk on December 30, 2007, 04:08:32 PM
Power gear is also simply PG
NoRH as well as RH
L(eading) T(ime) B(onus)
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: zaqrack on December 30, 2007, 04:47:15 PM
may I add pipsqueak? :)
also:

time hiders
ghosts

I highly support the encyclopedia! It's time to update the FAQ on site (last modified in 2001 :))
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: CTG on December 30, 2007, 05:32:01 PM
OWOOT
IRC/ISA rule
MOR
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: CTG on December 30, 2007, 05:33:19 PM
Helicopter trick :)
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: BonzaiJoe on December 30, 2007, 05:47:30 PM
Fence-sliding
Loopcut
LTB-fight
Quiet days
fast grass
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: CTG on December 30, 2007, 07:07:39 PM
WSM ;)
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Duplode on December 30, 2007, 07:30:09 PM
Dual-way switching...
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Mislav on December 30, 2007, 07:30:55 PM
ZCT  :)
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: zaqrack on December 30, 2007, 08:37:16 PM
ok, this will lead nowhere this way, so from the next post please include definitons also. If you have something to modify/add, just quote the previous post and do so, like in wikipedia. We'll have a nice Stunts-WIKI soon. :)
I'll try to add some basic definitions in some minutes...

please edit my post, I'm going to set up a wiki software on the server to make this easier, this wiki is the greatest idea of 2007 :)
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: zaqrack on December 30, 2007, 08:42:09 PM
Replay Handling / RH
A greatly helpful rule in online tournaments, which allows pipsqueaks to simply rewind the replay after a crash, or running off the road, and continue driving from some seconds earlier. This way you can not enter your name in Stunts' internal highscore table, but your final saved replay will be valid for online competitions. RH allows pipsqueaks to save a lot of time, achieve better results, and do insane stunts.   
There is an endless debate on RH in the community, whether it's a good thing, or not, but as there is no way to proof (without the usage of extrenal tools) whether a pipsqueak used RH or not, it's allowed by default.

Power Gear / 6th Gear / PG
Some cars in stunts have the ability to reach a so-called 6th gear. This usually happens while driving in the last official gear with a high RPM, and doing a jump. Some cars can reach it from any speed, when driving on a loop, and shifting to the last gear.
6th gear allows cars to go a lot faster than the given maximum speed. Some cars have a so called: "true 6th gear", and they don't even slow down on grass, when driving in 6th gear. These are: ...

Others simply have a higher maximum speed than stated, which can be reached by the above described way.
These are: ...
Finding the 6th gear spots on a competition track is the key to victory.
6th gear was officially confirmed by Stunts lead programmer Kevin Pickell as a programming bug.

Ghost
When a person takes part in a competition under different nicknames, the characters created apart from his/her main character is called a ghost. Ghosts can influence competitions in a negative way, especially online votes. The Track Design Contest of 2002 ended in a ghost scandal, when CTG voted with multiple personalities.

Time hiding / Time hiders
A pipsqueak having a really fast, winning replay, but not sending it, only replays where he slows down at the end, reaching the pole position only with some milliseconds is called a time hider. Altough time hiding is slightly unethical, it's a key method for winning a track of hard battles. 

Pipsqueak
When racing in Stunts against Otto, and he manages to beat you, he calls you a "young pipsqueak". This term has settled in the Stunts community, often substituting the word "pipsqueak".

ZakStunts / ZSC
Long name: Zak McKracken's Stunts Competition, or Zak's Stunts Competition. An online competition running continuously since March, 2001. It was the first competition which required pipsqueaks to drive different cars each month, and also the first one to implement a fully automatic php based replay sending form and scoreboard system. Altough there were competitions with higher number of participants, ZakStunts is often considered as the most influencing competition of the online Stunts community. 

World Stunts Meeting / WSM
A meeting with a pre-set date and place, where pipsqueaks from all around the world can meet eachother, race stunts, do live stunts, and have fun. Altough it's called a world meeting, by far only European pipsqueaks have gathered. By far there were three WSM's. The first in 2004, taking place in Budapest, Hungary, then 2005, Aarhus, Denmark, and in 2006 Budapest again. In 2007, altough planned, there was no WSM organized. 
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: CTG on December 30, 2007, 08:43:28 PM
two tiles switch
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: CTG on December 30, 2007, 08:54:23 PM
CB - Chili beans, international food of Stunts players. ;D
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: CTG on December 30, 2007, 08:58:08 PM
Addition to ghost:

Secondary ghosts are existing people. They send other pipsqueak's replays to the competition with an illegal agreement to pass the IP checking tests. (Myron, Gelato Baker, etc.)
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: zaqrack on December 30, 2007, 09:00:17 PM
Addition to ghost:

Secondary ghosts are existing people. They send other pipsqueak's replays to the competition with an illegal agreement to pass the IP checking tests. (Myron, Gelato Baker, etc.)

please quote my post, edit it accodring to your taste, and then delete the quote tag
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: BonzaiJoe on December 30, 2007, 09:30:00 PM

Replay Handling / RH
A greatly helpful rule in online tournaments, which allows pipsqueaks to simply rewind the replay after a crash, or running off the road, and continue driving from some seconds earlier. This way you can not enter your name in Stunts' internal highscore table, but your final saved replay will be valid for online competitions. RH allows pipsqueaks to save a lot of time, achieve better results, and do insane stunts.   
There is an endless debate on RH in the community, whether it's a good thing, or not, but as there is no way to proof (without the usage of extrenal tools) whether a pipsqueak used RH or not, it's allowed by default.

Power Gear / 6th Gear / PG
Some cars in stunts have the ability to reach a so-called 6th gear. This usually happens while driving in the last official gear with a high RPM, and doing a jump. Some cars can reach it from any speed, when driving on a loop, and shifting to the last gear.
6th gear allows cars to go a lot faster than the given maximum speed and more importantly not even slow down on grass, when driving in 6th gear. These are: Porsche March/INDY, Ferrari GTO, Corvette ZR1 and Acura NSX. The INDY and the Acura can reach power gear from any speed using a loop. The INDY, Ferrari and Corvette go 245 mph in 6th gear, while the Acura only goes 203 mph.

Finding the 6th gear spots on a competition track is the key to victory.
6th gear was officially confirmed by Stunts lead programmer Kevin Pickell as a programming bug.

Ghost
When a person takes part in a competition under different nicknames, the characters created apart from his/her main character is called a ghost. Ghosts can influence competitions in a negative way, especially online votes. The Track Design Contest of 2002 ended in a ghost scandal, when CTG voted with multiple personalities. There are several ghost "myths" alive in the Stunts community, meaning suspicions about whether certain old pipsqueaks were ghosts or not, and who is or is not helping who with replays.

Time hiding / Time hiders
A pipsqueak having a replay but not sending it until the last minute before deadline. A time hider will only send replays where he slows down at the end, beating opponents only with some milliseconds in order to catch leading time. Altough time hiding is considered slightly unethical, it's a key method for winning a track of hard battles. 

Pipsqueak
When racing in Stunts against Otto, and he manages to beat you, he calls you a "young pipsqueak". This term has settled in the Stunts community, often substituting the word "pipsqueak".

ZakStunts / ZSC
Long name: Zak McKracken's Stunts Competition, or Zak's Stunts Competition. An online competition running continuously since March, 2001. It was the first competition which required pipsqueaks to drive different cars each month, and also the first one to implement a fully automatic php based replay sending form and scoreboard system. Altough there were competitions with higher number of participants, ZakStunts is often considered as the most influencing competition of the online Stunts community. 

World Stunts Meeting / WSM
A meeting with a pre-set date and place, where pipsqueaks from all around the world can meet eachother, race stunts, do live stunts, and have fun. Altough it's called a world meeting, by far only European pipsqueaks have gathered. By far there were three WSM's. The first in 2004, taking place in Budapest, Hungary, then 2005, Aarhus, Denmark, and in 2006 Budapest again. In 2007, altough planned, there was no WSM organized. 

Fast Grass
Fast grass is the grass around a chicane. This grass is called fast because, due to a game bug, it functions as road although it looks like grass. You can thus drive as fast on the grass around a chicane as you can on the chicane road or any other road.

OWOOT
OWOOT stands for "One wheel on/over track", and is a rule for certain competitions. The rule means that you cannot make shortcuts, which makes for a totally different, cleaner and more perfectionistic races. The expression and the rule were first developed by Ruepel and Pershing II who made the ISA competition with this rule in 2002. There is one general exception to the OWOOT rule: the grass square in the middle of a jump.

Loopcut
A category of tricks. In most cases, you lose time if you go through a loop the ordinary way. Therefore, in most cases, it is a good idea to go through the loop in a different, shorter and faster way. This is called "cutting" the loop, and has become a word: loopcut/loopcutting. It can be done in several different ways.

Fence sliding
An advanced trick, which allows you to navigate better in power gear. You use the edge-of-map fence to change direction by sliding along it. You can drive into the fence, keeping power gear, and then leave it when you've reached the right place. It is possible to fence-slide across water, which makes for surprising shortcuts on some tracks. This trick was first used on ZCT10 in January 2002.

Magic Carpet
This is the expression used for when your car makes a spontaneous jump from flat ground. Magic Carpets are an unpredictable wildcard in competition races, as they usually allow the pipsqueak to save time by keeping a higher speed, sometimes even reaching or keeping power gear where it would not otherwise be possible. The random nature of magic carpets makes them hard to use and an unpredictability factor, sometimes allowing weaker pipsqueaks to beat stronger pipsqueaks.

Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Chulk on December 30, 2007, 09:53:42 PM
Zak, I don't edit the post because I don't know what they mean, but I think ISA and IRC should be added.
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: zaqrack on December 30, 2007, 10:09:57 PM
I installed Wiki software on the server, it's really simple to use it!

Check it here:
http://stunts.mine.nu/wiki

register and add/edit posts (some help on editing also available on site)

I already added BonzaiJoe's latest posts.

we can still list the ideas for new wiki articles here, maybe some of us don't want to edit the wiki. But please do, if you have some free time. It's a lot of fun and very useful.

You may also add information on yourself, other pipsqueaks, competitions, tracks, opponents, cars, anything related to stunts.
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Duplode on December 30, 2007, 10:20:27 PM
I installed Wiki software on the server, it's really simple to use it!

Check it here:
http://stunts.mine.nu/wiki

register and add/edit posts (some help on editing also available on site)

I already added BonzaiJoe's latest posts.

we can still list the ideas for new wiki articles here, maybe some of us don't want to edit the wiki.


Great! That's the best way to share our knowledge, and a perfect complement to the Driving School!
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: zaqrack on December 30, 2007, 10:32:31 PM
it's great to see Duplode already contributing to the wiki :)
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Duplode on December 30, 2007, 11:10:09 PM
The pleasure is mine... ;) BTW, I'm moving Zak and CTG profiles to the Community category, if anybody opposes feel free to switch them back.
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Duplode on December 31, 2007, 12:04:58 AM
Well, I created a couple new articles and/or stubs, take a look at http://stunts.mine.nu/wiki/index.php/Special:Contributions/Duplode and make your corrections...
Thinking now about car descriptions/comments, it is better to have just one page (or eventually two to include cheat cars) or have one article for ach relevant car?
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: zaqrack on December 31, 2007, 12:15:38 AM
I think each car deserves its own, many of them have special abilities which should be noted (countach, acura, corvette, etc)

and you really already worked a lot, seems like you're accustomed to wiki editing :)  thanks, keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Chulk on December 31, 2007, 01:25:05 AM
@ Duplode: Your contributions are very interesting! Well done!
@ Everybody: I'll add some comments when I have more time.
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: zaqrack on December 31, 2007, 01:30:02 AM
http://stunts.mine.nu/wiki/index.php/ZakStunts

I wrote what I wanted to wrote - the history of ZakStunts.
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: CTG on December 31, 2007, 01:46:42 AM
LOL my profile :D
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: CTG on December 31, 2007, 01:48:37 AM
About Zak: "never ever winning a single track in his career. "

FALSE!!! Remember Kalpen's longest race...

ctrack34.trk (September):
Zak McKracken: 1.36.85
Roy Wiegerinck: 1.39.40
Ben Snel: 1.43.90
CAP: 1.47.25
Juank 23: 1.50.55
Takenhoe (Czech Republic): 2.05.75
Brambi (Poland): 2.06.35
ACE (Australia): 2.06.55
Javik (Germany): 2.07.40
Osiris: 2.07.65
Dark Alex (Russia): 2.14.10
Stardust: 2.17.25
Boo Boo Kitty (USA): 2.22.50
KHR: 2.26.25
JTK: 2.33.40
Zeljko (?): 2.44.90

Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: zaqrack on December 31, 2007, 02:02:19 AM
About Zak: "never ever winning a single track in his career. "

FALSE!!! Remember Kalpen's longest race...


Roy had a better time, which was also sent and confirmed by JTK, just the update was missing :(
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: CTG on December 31, 2007, 02:18:30 AM
I won't change the stats as Kalpen site still says this result. :)
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: CTG on December 31, 2007, 06:15:16 AM
Embedded videos are disabled... :(
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: zaqrack on December 31, 2007, 06:21:54 AM
i'll try to enable them
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: CTG on December 31, 2007, 06:23:05 AM
i'll try to enable them


Great! It will be very useful to see that tricks.
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: CTG on December 31, 2007, 06:56:04 AM
Almost fine... but somehow it duplicates videos.
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Krys TOFF on December 31, 2007, 11:03:55 AM
Nice idea, nice wiki. I leave community a few days and when I come back, wiow, such a project ! I'm happy to see this work, and I'll contribute too (starting with completing my own profile ;D). ;)
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: CTG on January 02, 2008, 02:26:46 PM
It seems Stunts Wiki evolution slowed down suddenly. So much for enthusiasm? :(
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: zaqrack on January 02, 2008, 02:30:23 PM
so much for a new job starting today :)
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: BonzaiJoe on January 02, 2008, 02:50:37 PM
Then let's speed up again :) I'll be busy with paper-writing the next few weeks, but I'll still try to keep updating it. Did anyone read my entry about the stunts song yet?

And shouldn't we make up names for the three different game themes? And analyze them? : -D
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Chulk on January 02, 2008, 04:49:15 PM
There's a stunts song?! I'll go check it right now!
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Duplode on January 03, 2008, 02:57:05 PM
After wrestling a bit with wiki markup (available documentation at Wikipedia and MediaWiki is quite confusing...), I managed to write a half-decent template. Look at Recent Changes and see how you like it  ;)
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: CTG on January 04, 2008, 03:12:42 AM
Mingva is already included. I was too calm when I wrote it.
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Akoss Poo a.k.a. Zorromeister on January 07, 2008, 12:56:00 AM
About Zak: "never ever winning a single track in his career. "

FALSE!!! Remember Kalpen's longest race...

ctrack34.trk (September):
Zak McKracken: 1.36.85
Roy Wiegerinck: 1.39.40
Ben Snel: 1.43.90
CAP: 1.47.25
Juank 23: 1.50.55
Takenhoe (Czech Republic): 2.05.75
Brambi (Poland): 2.06.35
ACE (Australia): 2.06.55
Javik (Germany): 2.07.40
Osiris: 2.07.65
Dark Alex (Russia): 2.14.10
Stardust: 2.17.25
Boo Boo Kitty (USA): 2.22.50
KHR: 2.26.25
JTK: 2.33.40
Zeljko (?): 2.44.90



Well, I sent an 1:22 in 2003 when it still wasn't announced that the track is closed. :)

The other thing: 6th gear isn't equal to power gear, since Ferrari's power gear is its 7th gear.
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Krys TOFF on January 07, 2008, 05:00:45 PM
Quote from: Akoss Poo
The other thing: 6th gear isn't equal to power gear, since Ferrari's power gear is its 7th gear.
Feel free to adjust/improve what is already written. This is the community wiki : everyone can complete it, not only Duplode, BJ, CTG, JTK, Zak or me. ;)
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: BonzaiJoe on January 07, 2008, 07:35:20 PM
About Zak: "never ever winning a single track in his career. "

FALSE!!! Remember Kalpen's longest race...

ctrack34.trk (September):
Zak McKracken: 1.36.85
Roy Wiegerinck: 1.39.40
Ben Snel: 1.43.90
CAP: 1.47.25
Juank 23: 1.50.55
Takenhoe (Czech Republic): 2.05.75
Brambi (Poland): 2.06.35
ACE (Australia): 2.06.55
Javik (Germany): 2.07.40
Osiris: 2.07.65
Dark Alex (Russia): 2.14.10
Stardust: 2.17.25
Boo Boo Kitty (USA): 2.22.50
KHR: 2.26.25
JTK: 2.33.40
Zeljko (?): 2.44.90



Well, I sent an 1:22 in 2003 when it still wasn't announced that the track is closed. :)

The other thing: 6th gear isn't equal to power gear, since Ferrari's power gear is its 7th gear.

Actually it isn't, it just seems like that because the 1st gear is much bigger than in the other cars.
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Akoss Poo a.k.a. Zorromeister on January 07, 2008, 08:11:19 PM
Actually it isn't, it just seems like that because the 1st gear is much bigger than in the other cars.

It depends on conception: I rather think that it wanted to be a 6 speed gearbox car, and it was the easiest solution to perform it in a very old program. So I think it's more correct to say: you don't have to change gear between 1st and 2nd gear (the little figure of the gear lever also shows that there are 6 gears, unlike in the other cars).
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Duplode on January 07, 2008, 08:18:54 PM
It depends on conception: I rather think that it wanted to be a 6 speed gearbox car, and it was the easiest solution to perform it in a very old program. So I think it's more correct to say: you don't have to change gear between 1st and 2nd gear (the little figure of the gear lever also shows that there are 6 gears, unlike in the other cars).

Well, the true 288 GTO had a 5-speed transmission. If you look at the Ferrari shifting knob on the dashboard, you'll see one of the positions stands for reverse. Moreover, it is possible to have a 6-speed car in Stunts - in fact, I even did one... :)
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Krys TOFF on January 14, 2008, 02:11:31 PM
This topic should be renamed Stunts Wiki and pinned to stay on top of this part of the forum IMO.

Anyway, Zak, I made a small mistake when publishing articles at the wiki. Could you please delete the "TB" page and get rid of the sub-category "tracks". I don't know why, but when I created the category for tracks and track utilities, a sub-category named also "tracks" was created... ???
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Duplode on January 14, 2008, 05:18:14 PM
Nice work on the editors Krys, and loved the reference to Brazil, the movie  :) And about the TB page, you'll note I took the liberty to convert it to a redirect pointing at "Track Blaster Pro".
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Krys TOFF on January 14, 2008, 05:31:56 PM
Ok, thanks, I didn't thought of a re-direction. For my info, how a redirection is done in wiki ?
And thanks for the compliment. ;)
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Duplode on January 15, 2008, 05:17:34 AM
For that particular example, one would need to create the "TB" article, insert...

Code: [Select]
#REDIRECT [[Track Blaster Pro]]
...and the "magic" is done :)

And about the redundant subcategory, it was just that an extra [[Category:Track]] was in the category page.
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Krys TOFF on January 15, 2008, 09:33:56 AM
Quote from: Duplode
For that particular example, one would need to create the "TB" article, insert...

Code: [Select]
#REDIRECT [[Track Blaster Pro]]
...and the "magic" is done :)
Thanks for the info.

Quote from: Duplode
And about the redundant subcategory, it was just that an extra [[Category:Track]] was in the category page.
lol ! OK. :D
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Duplode on January 17, 2008, 02:50:19 AM
Following Krys' lately work, I started a series on car tuning with http://stunts.mine.nu/wiki/index.php/Car_files (http://Car files); next will be http://stunts.mine.nu/wiki/index.php/Car_parameters (http://Car parameters). Check, comment, and change...  :)
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: CTG on January 23, 2008, 05:24:13 PM
Very nice subpage for USL, thanks! These little things help me a lot to find motivation in organizing another events and make more stats too. ;)
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Krys TOFF on January 24, 2008, 12:46:11 PM
Yep, Duplode is a key member of Stunts wiki. :)
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Duplode on January 24, 2008, 07:01:25 PM
D?mo arigat? gozaimazu. :)
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Chulk on January 24, 2008, 07:05:33 PM
Yep, Duplode is a key member of Stunts wiki. :)
D?mo arigat? gozaimazu. :)
And he's also a member of the Japanesse Asociation it seems... ;)
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Krys TOFF on January 28, 2008, 08:23:16 PM
WTF is the addition to the wiki by IP 90.156.169.211 ? "sex in asha" and then some russian characters ? stallin spam russian robot it seems, please delete it Zak.
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Duplode on January 29, 2008, 08:04:48 PM
There was another one of those at http://stunts.mine.nu/wiki/index.php/Wiki/wiki/index.php earlier today... perhaps blocking anonymous edits altoegether should be considered  :-\
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: zaqrack on January 29, 2008, 10:21:15 PM
how can I do that? config file editing?
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Duplode on January 29, 2008, 10:27:22 PM
Yup, according to MediaWiki manuals it's some file called LocalSettings.php . They explain it here (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access#Restrict_editing_of_all_pages).
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: zaqrack on January 30, 2008, 10:09:34 PM
I installed some captcha to confirm editing. hope it will help

Also, the wiki was the first to move to the new server. Its fast! :) Old address isredirected to new. http://www.stunts.hu/wiki, and from tomorrow also (when redirects will be set) http://wiki.stunts.hu

forum and zakstunts will also move soon.
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Duplode on January 30, 2008, 10:27:20 PM
Pretty fast indeed  :) Just one thing: image uploading has been disbaled in the move, and uploaded images have gone too.
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: zaqrack on January 31, 2008, 10:26:13 AM
yep, just noticed, I'll fix them at home (no proper FTP access from work)
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: zaqrack on January 31, 2008, 03:13:18 PM
both fixed! (though still at work, but found a way :))
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Duplode on February 18, 2008, 06:23:35 PM
Oh, did somebody call me? (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Talk:Chronology)   :D

CTG's suggestion of adding a chronological rank of champions seems fine enough, but I wonder whether you think it's best to put it on the 'Chronology' article or create a nwe page altoegether.
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: CTG on February 19, 2008, 08:28:31 AM
As you wish... :)
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Krys TOFF on February 22, 2008, 05:47:27 PM
Duplode strikes back to the Stunts wiki. I added the info of magic carpet for the Countach.
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Duplode on February 22, 2008, 10:14:43 PM
On another news, it seems we finally got external traffic (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/4D_Driving_1.0) to the Wiki... ::)
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: zaqrack on February 22, 2008, 10:17:08 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Duplode on February 24, 2008, 06:47:14 AM
Zak: Bad publicity is better than no publicity  ;D

Anyway, I would like to call your attention for a follow up on the articles about car files and parameters, aimed as an attempt to detail further the physical basis of the parameters based on "experimental" input. Unlike the rather descriptive Car Parameters, this one goes more into an analytical direction. It is quite open-ended as well, so if you can think of a theme for a new section about some uncovered mechanics or bug rationalization just add a new sub-header at section 3 and start it up!  :) Also, I wonder if any of you (and particuarly Krys, who has that F1 car as a side-project) has better insight on how the "mechanics" of Power Gear work - it's sure damn confusing, to say the least... Here is the link to Car model physics (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Car_model_physics)
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Krys TOFF on February 24, 2008, 11:10:28 PM
Quote from: Duplode
I wonder if any of you (and particuarly Krys, who has that F1 car as a side-project) has better insight on how the "mechanics" of Power Gear work - it's sure damn confusing, to say the least...
Problem with powergear is to have it "properly". I mean that, for example, Lada Niva Comeback has no real powergear. You can go up to 245mph anytime, anywhere. My goal is to get a powergear effect like indy's or NSX's, but different from those already existing. So far, I failed. :( Problem is that I don't see any real "key" to create the powergear trick in a car. All elements are linked together, gears and torque. Change 1 parameter and you won't get powergear effect. And testing all possibilities is quite looooooooooong. I still don't know if I'll be able to create a powergear car or if I will have to keep most of the indy parameters unchanged, which is useless then.
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Paleke on March 02, 2008, 05:13:05 PM
 :o Wow, this is a cool idea. Perhaps I should help a little... Especially with this:

http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/WSC

As soon as I have more time. ;)
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Duplode on April 21, 2008, 09:44:49 PM
Dstien has begun to summarize the recent findings about Stunts file structure - check it out (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Resource_file_format)! ;) I was considering a while ago writing some content about 3D shapes, but was at a loss about where to start. Now with a general framework started it will probably be easier.
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Krys TOFF on April 21, 2008, 11:36:48 PM
Thanks to Duplode and Dstein for their updates in the wiki, I forgot to create the FTT wiki page myself (shame on me) but Duplode was there to do it. ;)
Title: Re: Stunts Terms (@CTG)
Post by: Duplode on May 29, 2008, 08:05:12 PM
CTG, please settle the following issue on the wiki: should your trademark be spelled "Unskilled Stunts" or "UnskilledStunts"? :)
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: CTG on May 29, 2008, 10:04:59 PM
UnskilledStunts
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Duplode on May 29, 2008, 11:59:33 PM
UnskilledStunts

OK, Wiki pages already rectified  ;)
Title: Re: Stunts Terms
Post by: Krys TOFF on June 10, 2008, 10:13:42 AM
Jacky, can you modify the topic name into Stunts wiki ?

Also, I added in the Stunts wiki 3 new cheated cars mentionned as "hidden cars" in the Stunts page on main english wikipedia. Check it there : http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Cheat_cars

The original article by JTK in main Wikipedia website has been modified a lot since its creation. I don't recognize it and there's a lot of info missing in this page. But I don't have time to complete it right now.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on July 21, 2008, 05:52:58 PM
Location page is added, still a lot to work on it (coordinates will be added soon, pipsqueaks without exact coordinates will be shown on the map in the city centers).

Duplode, master of Stunts wiki: can you add the Stunts Google map to that site? Simple embedding is not working. Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Krys TOFF on July 21, 2008, 05:59:37 PM
I wrote my coordinates in location topic. ;)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on July 22, 2008, 04:16:09 AM
Duplode, master of Stunts wiki: can you add the Stunts Google map to that site? Simple embedding is not working. Thanks in advance!

Well, embedding Google Maps will require installing a MediaWiki extension like this one (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Google_Maps), much like (I suppose) Zak has done before for YouTube videos. Thus your request shall be forwarded one step higher in the command chain to our Monarch  :)

Edit: Actually, another extension, Google Map Extension by Mafs (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Mafs/GoogleMapExtension), seems more appropriate to our issue.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: BonzaiJoe on July 24, 2008, 05:26:33 PM
Duplode, you listened to Disintegration!! I love you.

Disintegration is the best album ever to be produced by mankind - so deep and in possession of this rare combination of immense aesthetical beauty and artistic interest. Nothing comes close to Disintegration. I could go on for pages! But I will stop at 3 lines :)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Chulk on July 24, 2008, 07:14:44 PM
How do you put that list as a singature? Not that I really tried hard to do it, but I would like to know...
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on July 25, 2008, 12:59:52 AM
Duplode, you listened to Disintegration!! I love you.

Disintegration is the best album ever to be produced by mankind - so deep and in possession of this rare combination of immense aesthetical beauty and artistic interest. Nothing comes close to Disintegration. I could go on for pages! But I will stop at 3 lines :)

Beautiful music for sure... despite knowing a few of the songs superficially (from radio and etc.) I would never expect the album as a whole to have such emotional resonance - the first half took me by storm. I just feel I need to listen more closely to the (subjectively) more "cerebral" second half in order to appreciate it better, something I'm surely willing to do by now!
(and BTW, I need to mention you and Zak, with the occasional comments and track listings, were one of the many factors that had me putting some prejudices aside and getting interested in 80's post-punk and related movements... thanks for that :))

How do you put that list as a singature? Not that I really tried hard to do it, but I would like to know...

Well, first you'll need a last.fm account (a pretty nice music networking service BTW, official site (http://www.last.fm) and, for some more concise info, Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last.fm)). Then you will need to setup your music player of choice to submit your tracks to your last.fm profile - most players support it, either built-in or more commonly by plug-ins. Unfortunately the last.fm technical pages were recently restructured and are a bit of a mess so I can't really advise you on which page to go at the moment for the plugins. Finally, once all is working, head to http://www.last.fm/tools/charts and build your sig as you please... also, in case you liked my sig design with the Forum color scheme, follow to http://www.last.fm/tools/charts/SMFStunts  ;) 

Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: zaqrack on July 25, 2008, 03:23:15 AM
Disintegration is the best album ever to be produced by mankind - so deep and in possession of this rare combination of immense aesthetical beauty and artistic interest. Nothing comes close to Disintegration. I could go on for pages! But I will stop at 3 lines :)

Actually that was rather two lines only :)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Krys TOFF on July 25, 2008, 12:33:59 PM
Disintegration is the best album ever to be produced by mankind - so deep and in possession of this rare combination of immense aesthetical beauty and artistic interest. Nothing comes close to Disintegration. I could go on for pages! But I will stop at 3 lines :)

Actually that was rather two lines only :)
Depends of the width of your screen and/or the width of your browser window. :P :D
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on July 29, 2008, 04:08:13 AM
At last I succeeded to start the DOSBox article. I wrote it more like a hub to different tutorials, with random advice from experienced users in between - please add your tips on the proper section... also, I made a section for sample DOSBox configuration files; it would be nice if everyone who gets to use DOSBox without problems would post their .conf file there - just follow the model and don't forget to add your computer specs :)

Link: http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/DOSBox
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: AbuRaf70 on July 29, 2008, 11:19:51 PM
Muy bueno y muy útil tu trabajo, Duplode...
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Chulk on July 29, 2008, 11:28:06 PM
Nice idea about the .conf files. I upload mine as soon as I'm home.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Chulk on July 30, 2008, 08:38:45 PM
DOSBox.conf uploaded. Please check if I didn't mess up with anything...

edit: I also completed a bit my profile there.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on July 31, 2008, 02:36:02 AM
Thanks Chulk and Zak for the .confs, and gracias AbuRaf for your appreciation  :)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on August 14, 2008, 09:12:38 PM
Adding my ghost list (34 "pipsqueaks")...  :-X
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on August 15, 2008, 02:51:35 AM
Quote from: CTG@Wiki
Fuoco (not sure about it)

ROFL, with so many ghosts for a single brain some need to be offloaded of course... :D
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on August 15, 2008, 05:06:25 AM
Quote from: CTG@Wiki
Fuoco (not sure about it)

ROFL, with so many ghosts for a single brain some need to be offloaded of course... :D

That's really funny, I can't remember. :-\ :D
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Krys TOFF on August 18, 2008, 11:01:14 AM
Adding my ghost list (34 "pipsqueaks")...  :-X
Are you sure you're not missing some others ?
Evair E. Monenegro, Short Cutfinder, PedroAntonio, Guga, Nigno, Tsino (oh, no, this one is Alan Rotoi's ghost), Cyberman, Orgona, Blind Ryan, Darklady, TurboJack, Jules, Tirgen, StolenBike, Stunts GrimReaper, Jufictus, Offthewall, H-Bomb, HappyWorm, ...
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on August 18, 2008, 01:23:31 PM
Are you sure you're not missing some others ?
Evair E. Monenegro, Short Cutfinder, PedroAntonio, Guga, Nigno, Tsino (oh, no, this one is Alan Rotoi's ghost), Cyberman, Orgona, Blind Ryan, Darklady, TurboJack, Jules, Tirgen, StolenBike, Stunts GrimReaper, Jufictus, Offthewall, H-Bomb, HappyWorm, ...

Short Cutfinder is Argammon; H-Bomb: yes, it's me (but I guess it's on the list); no clue about the others.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Chulk on August 18, 2008, 11:53:07 PM
I guess Jules had someting to do with Renato Biker. If I remember correctly, they had the same beggining in that Lancia track which ended season 2005. I mean the same replay at the beggining.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on August 19, 2008, 11:28:40 AM
the indian guy was a known ghost.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Krys TOFF on August 19, 2008, 01:01:07 PM
the indian guy was a known ghost.
... Of Alan Rotoi. ;D
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: BonzaiJoe on August 25, 2008, 10:50:02 AM
Yes :) By the way I added some new articles yesterday, go check it out!
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on August 26, 2008, 12:56:31 AM
Nice work on the biographies BJ and CTG! Now there are only five ZakStunts race winners missing. BTW, I have been considering for a while calling an improvement drive on the original cars articles - if everyone picked one or two favourite cars we would finish it pretty quickly... :)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Krys TOFF on August 27, 2008, 12:05:12 AM
Yes :) By the way I added some new articles yesterday, go check it out!
I saw : so many Böffs. :D
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on August 31, 2008, 12:33:20 AM
Check the age of Stunts pipsqueaks: the Baronetti family kicks ass in it. :D

None of the famous pipsqueaks was born in April and 1983 is the most common year of birth...
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Akoss Poo a.k.a. Zorromeister on September 13, 2008, 06:54:33 PM
Just a correction: both "Shitty alpenmilch" and "Chili beans in pina" songs were invented by Dinmor originally. Shitty alpenmilch is really his song, he found his Ritter Sport Alpenmilch chocolate shitty in his hands, I was only sitting next to him (so he showed me that the chocolate is shitty, and he sang the song "for" me). So turning life experiences to this song's melody is originally Dinmor's invention. I was unaware of that Dinmor sang this song all day before this suburban train experience. "Chili beans in pina" in this melody was again Dinmor's reaction on my comment that I would have liked to lick chili beans from a girl's pina. It's true that later it was me who sang these songs the most. Probably that's why JTK asked me to invent some additional verses of that song on the Aarhus meetings. Later verses like "Firey ass on closet" and "Farty smell in Aarhus" (also "Diesel Joe's still drinking"'s first verse) are really originating from me. So the Wikipedia is incorrect. (If you don't believe it, ask Dinmor.)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: BonzaiJoe on September 13, 2008, 07:38:52 PM
But it's a Wiki, so you should just correct it! :)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on October 16, 2008, 01:13:13 AM
There's a rather odd "bug" on the Wiki. When one clicks on "Save page" button after making some changes, the following message is displayed instead of the usual confirmation page:

Quote
A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:

    (SQL query hidden)

from within function "SearchMySQL4::update". MySQL returned error "145: Table './stunts/searchindex' is marked as crashed and should be repaired (localhost)".

The edit, however, is correctly saved, and the page loads normally afterward...
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on October 30, 2008, 10:49:59 AM
We should open a new section for custom cars with the Stunts files and OBJ graphics...
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on October 31, 2008, 02:52:06 AM
We should open a new section for custom cars with the Stunts files and OBJ graphics...

Indeed, that's something which is pending for a while. Probably a "Game Modification"/"Modding" main category with file format descriptions as well as the pages for Stressed and CarBlaster would be a good start. It could be created be a subcategory of "Game information" as well, but then it might be a bit too hidden from the public eye.

Speaking of the Wiki, yesterday I noticed the SQL issue mentioned on my previous post also compromises the "Search" function...
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on April 16, 2009, 05:32:07 PM
May I ask you guys a little help on a topic? I am planning to write articles for the IMSA cars, but since I'm not an IMSA fan the differences between P962 and Jaguar (aside from the slightly better acceleration of P962) seem a little bit too, er, subjective - and I don't want to end up writing the same article twice ( :D). So could you please try to sum up whatever differences you feel in a few lines? Multiple opinions would be even better. Thanks in advance!  ;)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Overdrijf on April 16, 2009, 05:57:31 PM
May I ask you guys a little help on a topic? I am planning to write articles for the IMSA cars, but since I'm not an IMSA fan the differences between P962 and Jaguar (aside from the slightly better acceleration of P962) seem a little bit too, er, subjective - and I don't want to end up writing the same article twice ( :D). So could you please try to sum up whatever differences you feel in a few lines? Multiple opinions would be even better. Thanks in advance!  ;)
The jaguar looks better. :)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on April 19, 2009, 04:45:14 AM
The jaguar looks better. :)

That's true, and it has that amazing purple/yellow dashboard  :) Any other suggestions?  :)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on April 19, 2009, 12:03:28 PM
Any other suggestions?  :)

Only a personal & subjective one: for me, Jaguar has slightly easier handling in the corners. And yes, it looks better too.

No other differences anyway, very similar cars.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: BonzaiJoe on April 19, 2009, 12:36:06 PM
They do feel different to drive, but it's very hard to describe why that is. Another difference is that in the Jaguar, you have to shift after the pin has stopped moving. I don't think that goes for any other car. The P962 has better acceleration. Also, I do tend to agree with CTG that the Jaguar is slightly easier to handle in corners, but on the other hand, the P962 can go 180 mph in a normal corner, and the Jaguar I think only 174 mph.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Chulk on April 19, 2009, 10:56:25 PM
I agree about Handling and Acceleration differences... Not sure about anything else, but I'm not a big IMSA fan...
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on April 20, 2009, 08:41:25 AM
Thanks guys, the raised points helped quite a lot. After a bit more of writing there are only (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Acura_NSX) four (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Audi_Quattro_Sport) cars (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Lancia_Delta_Integrale) remaining (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Porsche_March_Indy) to finish the original 11 set. Since some of you have long and successful stories with them, the results could be nice if you tried your hands at these... ;)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Overdrijf on April 20, 2009, 11:24:28 AM
Thanks guys, the raised points helped quite a lot. After a bit more of writing there are only (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Acura_NSX) four (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Audi_Quattro_Sport) cars (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Lancia_Delta_Integrale) remaining (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Porsche_March_Indy) to finish the original 11 set. Since some of you have long and successful stories with them, the results could be nice if you tried your hands at these... ;)
The Indy is still missing? Wouldn't have guessed that...
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on April 20, 2009, 12:41:53 PM
Thanks guys, the raised points helped quite a lot. After a bit more of writing there are only (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Acura_NSX) four (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Audi_Quattro_Sport) cars (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Lancia_Delta_Integrale) remaining (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Porsche_March_Indy) to finish the original 11 set. Since some of you have long and successful stories with them, the results could be nice if you tried your hands at these... ;)
The Indy is still missing? Wouldn't have guessed that...

Indy is quite a difficult one. I guess there are many specialists of that car to write about it. Not me. I hate it. ;D
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: zaqrack on April 20, 2009, 12:47:54 PM
but you cant hate it more than I do. Actually my hate for the Indy is the reason why ZakStunts was born :)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Chulk on April 20, 2009, 01:24:24 PM
but you cant hate it more than I do. Actually my hate for the Indy is the reason why ZakStunts was born :)
LOL! What else do you hate? Maybe something good can come up of that!
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Overdrijf on April 20, 2009, 02:14:27 PM
I vote for Mark to write the Indy entry, after all he is officially the fastest indy driver now.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on April 20, 2009, 04:43:44 PM
I vote for Mark to write the Indy entry, after all he is officially the fastest indy driver now.

Or Alan Rotoi, undisputed champion of ISA/IRC with an incredible winning streak.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: BonzaiJoe on April 20, 2009, 08:22:52 PM
but you cant hate it more than I do. Actually my hate for the Indy is the reason why ZakStunts was born :)

How does it feel then that your only race victory was in the Indy?  :D
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: zaqrack on April 20, 2009, 09:34:07 PM
awkward  ;D
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on May 02, 2009, 11:39:42 PM
The Car parameters (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Car_parameters) article has gone through the necessary major update. Check it out - there are also some new things I have not mentioned on the forum yet... ;) I will post the full story on PG/Anti-PG soon, but that will go to a separate article.

In other news: what's up with the vandal (bot?) deleting the "Installation Guides" section on the DOSBox page once a week?   >:(
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on May 10, 2009, 09:27:24 AM
I am glad to announce all eleven articles on the original cars are done.  :) I tried to give Indy special treatment - the page currently is twice as long as the others, but I'm sure it can grow a lot more with the input of more experienced pipsqueaks. Same goes for the other cars and its specialists... ;)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on May 12, 2009, 09:57:52 PM
We should open a new section for custom cars with the Stunts files and OBJ graphics...

After a long while, it is finally done. There was a rather major reorganization of categories, with some useful subcategories being created and their links added to the Main Page (http://wiki.stunts.hu) in order to make navigation easier to newcomers.
Title: A logo for the Wiki
Post by: Duplode on May 25, 2009, 07:27:19 PM
I had been wondering about what we could put instead of the sunflower at the top left corner, and eventually came with this design:

(http://wiki.stunts.hu/images/4/4b/Wikilogo.png)

How do you like it? If Zak approves of it, its activation is done by adding the line
Code: [Select]
$wgLogo = 'http://wiki.stunts.hu/images/4/4b/Wikilogo.png'; to LocalSettings.php .
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: zaqrack on May 25, 2009, 10:22:36 PM
love it, updated settings :)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Akoss Poo a.k.a. Zorromeister on August 13, 2009, 03:18:02 PM
I corrected the story of the Stunts Song, I wasn't the one who invented the first two verses originally. Check it in 'Chili beans' and 'Stunts Song' thread. Also the 'Akoss Poo' topic in the Wiki has just been updated!
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Krys TOFF on August 21, 2009, 10:53:32 AM
The wiki goes quite well, nice work guys, especially Duplode. :)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on November 07, 2009, 01:22:46 AM
Renato Biker (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Renato_Biker), Gutix (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Gutix), Roy Wiegerinck (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Roy_Wiegerinck): now the Wiki finally has biographies of all ZakStunts champions  :)

Edit: Also added Argammon (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Argammon)'s bio as a "bonus feature".
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on February 08, 2010, 06:28:14 PM
A weird new bug has appeared out of nowhere on the Wiki. While adding stressed screen shots to this page (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Stressed_user_reference) I tried to frame the images as thumbnails with captions the usual way, but it didn't work. I left a broken thumbnail there so you can see the error. It seems to be something to do with (global) PHP settings versus ImageMagick. The closest thing to a sane reply I could google was http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual_talk:Image_Administration#Error_creating_thumbnail:_Unable_to_run_external_programs_in_safe_mode. (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual_talk:Image_Administration#Error_creating_thumbnail:_Unable_to_run_external_programs_in_safe_mode.) .
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: SuperBrian on February 18, 2010, 09:35:29 PM
Hey thank you very much for making a Wiki-pipsqueak profile of me. I appreciate that, because I didn't felt like doing it myself.
Maybe I'll make a few supplements some day, but right now it's okay.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on February 21, 2010, 11:43:16 PM
Another high-profile visitor to the Wiki: Robert Riebisch, author of the famous Stunts FAQ hosted by Luke's site. Here is his message (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php?title=User_talk:Duplode&rcid=1807)...


Hey thank you very much for making a Wiki-pipsqueak profile of me. I appreciate that, because I didn't felt like doing it myself.

You're welcome, I know I'd feel the same about my own article  :)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on February 24, 2010, 03:23:10 PM
I should also note that Mingva has been doing some very useful link maintenance work lately, as well as creating missing articles... :)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on March 07, 2010, 02:36:34 AM
For the people who took part in that (specially Mingva, of course): should ISA Competition and IRC have separate articles or get merged in a single one (with appropriate redirects). The latter option would feel a little strange but should make it much easier to write an interesting article IMHO.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on March 07, 2010, 08:54:34 AM
ISA and IRC were the same Indy competition with the same pipsqueaks, but different managers (Pershing II and Mingva). I think you mustn't write separate articles for each of them.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: BonzaiJoe on March 07, 2010, 08:57:54 AM
ISA and IRC were the same Indy competition with the same pipsqueaks, but different managers (Pershing II and Mingva). I think you mustn't write separate articles for each of them.

I don't agree. They have different names and different designs and ran at different times. ISA was monumental in Stunts history and I think it should have its own article.
I can see how the other option is easier though, and whatever you do is fine as long as the article is good.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on March 07, 2010, 09:02:48 AM
ISA and IRC were the same Indy competition with the same pipsqueaks, but different managers (Pershing II and Mingva). I think you mustn't write separate articles for each of them.
I don't agree. They have different names and different designs and ran at different times. ISA was monumental in Stunts history and I think it should have its own article.
I can see how the other option is easier though, and whatever you do is fine as long as the article is good

BJ: check http://irc.stunts.hu (http://irc.stunts.hu)! How did Mingva quote ISA?

Quote
2003 Latest News || Site of season'2002 is available here!

He considered IRC as the re-designed ISA. Pershing assigned the manager right to him.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Mingva on March 07, 2010, 12:48:38 PM
ISA competition and IRC must be in separate articles with the See also note in both :) The ISA competition was Pershing's idea, I only didn't let to die in the middle of it. ISA/IRC design is the same because I moved all data to my web-space and simplified the old ISA look to match IRC. In that time I considered those competitions similar but not the same.

Besides original ISA had his own old-skool drivers, while IRC had strict rules and all that analysis/report articles.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on March 07, 2010, 01:02:35 PM
ISA competition and IRC must be in separate articles with the See also note in both :) The ISA competition was Pershing's idea, I only didn't let to die in the middle of it. ISA/IRC design is the same because I moved all data to my web-space and simplified the old ISA look to match IRC. In that time I considered those competitions similar but not the same.

Besides original ISA had his own old-skool drivers, while IRC had strict rules and all that analysis/report articles.


Okay, who cares about Mingva? :P ;D

kidding
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on March 07, 2010, 03:12:24 PM
Okay, separate articles  :) I won't attempt to start any sort of merged "ISA and IRC competitions" article, then.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on March 07, 2010, 03:13:22 PM
Okay, separate articles  :) I won't attempt to start any sort of merged "ISA and IRC competitions" article, then.

ISA was better. ;D
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: dstien on March 14, 2010, 05:13:20 PM
A weird new bug has appeared out of nowhere on the Wiki. While adding stressed screen shots to this page (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Stressed_user_reference) I tried to frame the images as thumbnails with captions the usual way, but it didn't work. I left a broken thumbnail there so you can see the error. It seems to be something to do with (global) PHP settings versus ImageMagick. The closest thing to a sane reply I could google was http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual_talk:Image_Administration#Error_creating_thumbnail:_Unable_to_run_external_programs_in_safe_mode. (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual_talk:Image_Administration#Error_creating_thumbnail:_Unable_to_run_external_programs_in_safe_mode.) .
So... Any plans to fix it, Zak? While you're at it, upgrade MediaWiki (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Special:Version) and enable SVG rendering. ;)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on March 14, 2010, 08:11:23 PM
A weird new bug has appeared out of nowhere on the Wiki. While adding stressed screen shots to this page (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Stressed_user_reference) I tried to frame the images as thumbnails with captions the usual way, but it didn't work. I left a broken thumbnail there so you can see the error. It seems to be something to do with (global) PHP settings versus ImageMagick. The closest thing to a sane reply I could google was http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual_talk:Image_Administration#Error_creating_thumbnail:_Unable_to_run_external_programs_in_safe_mode. (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual_talk:Image_Administration#Error_creating_thumbnail:_Unable_to_run_external_programs_in_safe_mode.) .
So... Any plans to fix it, Zak? While you're at it, upgrade MediaWiki (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Special:Version) and enable SVG rendering. ;)

I had to look up again at related PHP issues for the latest update of SCST site. That problem occurs because the webhost (not Zak) has changed PHP settings to safe mode, and thus there is no way to use ImageMagick. The most appropriate workaround seems to be commenting out $wgUseImageMagick = true; in LocalSettings.php . Doing so will make MediaWiki revert to using GD for creating the thumbs, and GD does work in the server (I used it for the Track Viewer).
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Gutix on April 05, 2010, 07:19:57 PM
I found this page of a disappeared competition in the year 2005. Maybe could be added to competition section.

Here is the link: http://stuntsbrasil.br.tripod.com/competidores/parciais.htm (http://stuntsbrasil.br.tripod.com/competidores/parciais.htm)

Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on November 06, 2011, 02:14:04 AM
Spambots have become significantly more active on the Wiki over the last few months. Right now, for instance, I checked it after a few days and there were maybe 60 bogus edits...  :-\ I guess we will have to consider some preventive measures if it keeps up like this.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on November 06, 2011, 10:04:40 AM
Spambots have become significantly more active on the Wiki over the last few months. Right now, for instance, I checked it after a few days and there were maybe 60 bogus edits...  :-\ I guess we will have to consider some preventive measures if it keeps up like this.

Posting must be restricted: only registered users should edit the articles.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on November 06, 2011, 05:44:13 PM
Spambots have become significantly more active on the Wiki over the last few months. Right now, for instance, I checked it after a few days and there were maybe 60 bogus edits...  :-\ I guess we will have to consider some preventive measures if it keeps up like this.

Posting must be restricted: only registered users should edit the articles.

Most of the spam actually comes from user accounts (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Special:Ipblocklist), so unfortunately that wouldn't have much of an effect. Perhaps some combination of word/IP blacklisting and captchas could be of use; we'd have to evaluate our options.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: JTK on December 30, 2011, 01:01:24 PM
Who is Stunts Wiki administrator? See the last changes, the wiki became fully spammed :-(
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on December 30, 2011, 04:51:51 PM
For a while I have been trying to revert the spam once a week or so, but if it keeps building up at such a rate I'm not sure that it will be possible to keep it up manually... in the latest two waves of spam there were anonymous "editors" targeting real articles (as opposed to registered "users" creating single-purpose pages), so there may be a case for disabling anonymous edits as an emergency measure before adding better countermeasures.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: zaqrack on December 30, 2011, 05:45:44 PM
I will try now to upgrade the wiki software, hope it solves the problem.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: zaqrack on December 30, 2011, 07:13:28 PM
I will try now to upgrade the wiki software, hope it solves the problem.

updated to latest Mediawiki 1.18. We had a stack from 2007 without any updates applied. It was not an easy job, but done. Hope it will help controlling spam.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: BonzaiJoe on December 30, 2011, 08:02:08 PM
Great job! Hope it works. Also good work by Duplode removing all the spam.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: JTK on January 02, 2012, 04:53:58 PM
Perfect! 8)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Gutix on January 02, 2012, 10:09:31 PM
Good work  :D
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on January 04, 2012, 01:23:58 AM
Thus far we only had 4 spam incidents since the update. Not bad at all, indeed :)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: zaqrack on February 03, 2012, 10:13:53 PM
To end wiki spam for good I have made the following changes to the wiki:

- anonymous editing is disabled
- user creation is limited to sysops (dstien, Duplode, JTK, zaqrack)

I decided to perform these drastic measures as spam was uncontrollable again despite the upgrade. Also, this is a quite closed community. It is very unlikely someone outside the well-known names would like to add new content.

current registered users are the following:

•  Zaqrack  (Created on 30 December 2007 at 21:12)
•  Duplode  (Created on 30 December 2007 at 22:21)
•  Mark L. Rivers (Created on 30 December 2007 at 23:49)
•  Masterctg (Created on 31 December 2007 at 02:31)
•  Krys Toff (Created on 31 December 2007 at 11:01)
•  BonzaiJoe (Created on 31 December 2007 at 17:55)
•  JTK (Created on 6 January 2008 at 15:42)
•  Dstien  (Created on 2 March 2008 at 23:30)
•  Chulk (Created on 30 July 2008 at 19:32)
•  Mingva (Created on 14 June 2009 at 07:07)
•  Akosspoo (Created on 27 April 2010 at 12:13)
•  SuperBrian?? (Created on 29 January 2009 at 01:18)

If anybody else wants to get on the list and become a wiki editor, contact me or Duplode.

unfortunately I was unable to mass delete the formerly created spammer accounts (mass user delete extension is not working with mediawiki 1.18) - but as all of them were only used to perform a single edit, I don't think this will cause a problem.
Duplode, if you can help with a mass block (I don't know how to do that), it would be very helpful.

Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on February 04, 2012, 02:35:04 AM
I decided to perform these drastic measures as spam was uncontrollable again despite the upgrade. Also, this is a quite closed community. It is very unlikely someone outside the well-known names would like to add new content.


What has to be done has to be done. (Side note: Robert Riebisch once left a message (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/User_talk:Duplode) as an anon; and there might have been enough useful edits by outsiders to use up the fingers of one hand. I'm quite willing, however, to ignore related concerns in order to preserve our sanity...)

Duplode, if you can help with a mass block (I don't know how to do that), it would be very helpful.

There seems to be no useful way to perform a mass block of users (as opposed to IPs), not even with extensions. A rather less elegant trick, which I just activated for testing, is to disable edit rights for registered users and create a 'trusted' group (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights#Changing_group_permissions) with edit rights for the above-mentioned accounts(*). Do you think that is enough?

(*) I also included Antti (Created on 31 August 2008 at 22:15, likely to be this pipsqueak (http://zak.stunts.hu/index.php?page=profile&pipsqueak=Antti)) and PIGSgrame (Created on 3 January 2011 at 00:42, known to be a legitimate editor (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&tagFilter=&contribs=user&target=PIGSgrame&namespace=&year=&month=-1)).
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: JTK on February 06, 2012, 11:53:03 AM
What for do we need the mass block if anonymous editing is not allowed anymore (or do I just not understand here)?
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on February 07, 2012, 12:09:19 AM
Due to the many existing spammer accounts (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php?title=Special:BlockList&dir=prev&offset=20101202161140&limit=500&wpOptions%5B0%5D=addressblocks) (most of these are probably already blocked, though).
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: JTK on February 10, 2012, 12:13:50 PM
Due to the many existing spammer accounts (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php?title=Special:BlockList&dir=prev&offset=20101202161140&limit=500&wpOptions%5B0%5D=addressblocks) (most of these are probably already blocked, though).
That's what I meant - if yo can only edit when you are not anonymous, isn't that protection enough?
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on October 11, 2012, 01:10:45 PM
Is there anybody still using Stunts Wiki?
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: zaqrack on October 11, 2012, 02:11:30 PM
I am updating the ZakStunts medal table regularly :)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: BonzaiJoe on October 11, 2012, 03:49:17 PM
I've been there from time to time. I guess it's more interesting for outsiders.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on October 11, 2012, 03:55:53 PM
I guess it's more interesting for outsiders.

Unless we try to upload more and more statistics there. Numbers are always interesting.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on October 11, 2012, 04:04:41 PM
Just a moment ago I was making plans for starting a few missing pages...  :)

As for actually usage of the contents, there is also some handy technical reference there - the Wiki is the first place I go to when I can't recall some of those arcane facts about file formats and modding quirks.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on October 11, 2012, 04:06:37 PM
Just a moment ago I was making plans for starting a few missing pages...  :)

As for actually usage of the contents, there is also some handy technical reference there - the Wiki is the first place I go to when I can't recall some of those arcane facts about file formats and modding quirks.

Yep, from this aspect it can be used as a base of "hacker" knowledge.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on October 17, 2012, 11:05:37 AM
Pathetic or not, I forgot how to add a new article - so I had to look after in Wikipedia. ;D

Semi-OFF: the own knowledge has less and less importance, since everything is available at Wikipedia. What will the next generations do, if they lose the internet connection (disaster, war, etc.)?
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: BonzaiJoe on October 17, 2012, 11:22:22 AM
WikiPedia should sell backups. I wonder how much space it would take up if all graphics were removed.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on October 17, 2012, 11:37:13 AM
WikiPedia should sell backups. I wonder how much space it would take up if all graphics were removed.

Or how many pages of a printed version... (no more forests? :D)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: dstien on October 17, 2012, 01:07:56 PM
WikiPedia should sell backups.
Information wants to be free. :D
http://dumps.wikimedia.org/
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on October 30, 2012, 12:52:20 AM
Yesterday I started a small article with some racing advice for beginners at http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Driving_tips . It is not exactly a "Driving School" feature, as the tips are quite terse and general; so there is a lot of room for expansion. Thanks to Dreadnaut for reminding me of the need for something in that vein!

In my next editing spree I intend to work on the missing pages about track elements and (custom) cars. Help with that will be welcome, too  ;)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on February 17, 2013, 03:02:30 AM
Just wrote an article on illusion tracks: http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Illusion_track . It contains a cursory explanation of what makes the effects possible and a few examples. The final example (symmetrical dual-way tracks) is, as far as I am aware of, a novelty. The examples are not very comprehensive (as of now they are geared more towards fooling the track validation as opposed to TOFF-style psychedelic craziness), so please add or suggest more illustrations  :)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on February 17, 2013, 08:50:07 AM
I want to add info about 4dsl but I can't find the time  :-[
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on February 17, 2013, 11:14:29 AM
I want to add info about 4dsl but I can't find the time  :-[


Are you that busy or what?
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on February 17, 2013, 06:36:17 PM
I could do it in the following days.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Chulk on February 17, 2013, 08:55:58 PM
I want to add info about 4dsl but I can't find the time  :-[


Are you that busy or what?
He lost his watch
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on February 17, 2013, 09:23:21 PM
I want to add info about 4dsl but I can't find the time  :-[


Are you that busy or what?
He lost his watch

Fernet? :D
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on February 17, 2013, 09:35:55 PM
Could somebody give me permissions to create an account, etc? I already wrote the article.

Come to the chat http://forum.stunts.hu/chat/index.php I'm there now :)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on February 18, 2013, 12:19:20 AM
Did you correct something of the article Dup? Will you upload it?
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on February 18, 2013, 03:30:16 AM
Did you correct something of the article Dup? Will you upload it?

Now available: http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/4D_Stunts_League . I added a small lead paragraph and made some minor adjustments; the history itself and the order of the parts were not changed. Please revert, correct or add anything you feel like  :)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on February 18, 2013, 04:53:08 AM
Thanks Dup and sorry for the extra work for "rotoian english" to english translation. :)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Chulk on February 18, 2013, 05:09:09 AM
I made some corrections regarding grammar and spelling, but none of the contents and concepts were modified. Also, one more thing: I think you forgot one of 2nd season track name. It says "Rivendel, Moria, Isengard, Gondor and Mordor." but competition lasted 6 months... I think Tirith is the one missing but I wasn't sure so I didn't add it
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on February 18, 2013, 05:12:01 AM
That's right, it's Tirith instead of Gondor and the missing track is Hobbiton.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Chulk on February 18, 2013, 05:52:51 AM
That's right, it's Tirith instead of Gondor and the missing track is Hobbiton.
En que orden? O como venga esta bien?
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on February 18, 2013, 06:02:29 AM
Already changed... I don't remember the order. Only Rivendel was 1st and Mordor the last.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Chulk on February 18, 2013, 06:06:52 AM
Already changed... I don't remember the order. Only Rivendel was 1st and Mordor the last.
I know I won the 3rd one, and I think it was Hobbiton...
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on February 20, 2013, 05:14:00 AM
Could you add me into Managers? I'm not allowed :(
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on February 20, 2013, 02:38:39 PM
Could you add me into Managers? I'm not allowed :(

Done. You are allowed to add pages to categories, it just requires some special syntax (in this case, going to your bio at http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Alan_Rotoi and adding [[Category:Managers]] to the end of it).
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on February 20, 2013, 08:33:40 PM
It's funny, I studied some program languages but I don't know how to edit a wiki xD
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on February 20, 2013, 09:12:19 PM
BTW you forgot about the TSST Competition from 2000 and won by Inavoeg. I guess also it was a pionner of the stunts teams.
It has pretty and funny things there. Take a look.
http://hem1.passagen.se/richardq/main.html

and also Stunts Brasil (http://www.stuntsbrasil.hpg.ig.com.br/Entretenimento/2/index_hpg.html) from 2002 but the page doesn't exist anymore.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on July 01, 2013, 07:35:16 AM
There are pipsqueak that still don't have a profile like ADPunk and deadnout.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on September 10, 2013, 04:21:17 PM
There is a mistake in the zakstunts medal table. CTG is twice (when no? :D) under CTG and Dexter Morgan.

In adition Dottore is a ghost, it shouln't count in the list even if stole a position.

http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/ZakStunts#Medal_Table
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on September 10, 2013, 04:45:56 PM
That was already discussed earlier.

Revising USC results is almost impossible because of the LTB and MOR points. Maybe if it's based only on pure rankings...
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on September 10, 2013, 05:31:44 PM
On Dexter Morgan, it was my editorial call in September 2011, in the light of the possibility that CTG might switch permanently to that nick in ZakStunts. Two years later, however, it might be appropriate to change that, and add the bronze medal to CTG's tally.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on September 10, 2013, 05:37:02 PM
Such an egoist person won't ever give up a name like "...The God". :D
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on September 11, 2013, 01:46:10 AM
What about the ghost? We will legitimize it?
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on September 11, 2013, 09:46:30 AM
ZCT 145 was quite a good race, but I don't think the number of medals should be doubled for that... ;D (fixed)

Quote from: Stunts Wiki, Recent changes
3 September 2013(diff | hist) . . ZakStunts?; 17:56 . . (0) . . Zaqrack (Talk | contribs)? (?Medal Table: )
2 September 2013(diff | hist) . . ZakStunts?; 22:09 . . (0) . . Masterctg (Talk | contribs)? (+ZCT145)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on September 11, 2013, 06:36:14 PM
What about the ghost? We will legitimize it?
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on September 11, 2013, 07:56:05 PM
What about the ghost? We will legitimize it?

Sure. ;D

A bit more seriously: consider them as transparent AI opponents (just like in many racing games).
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on September 11, 2013, 08:19:31 PM
What about the ghost? We will legitimize it?

My position remains the same I held in the 2011 threads.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on September 11, 2013, 08:58:18 PM
What about the ghost? We will legitimize it?

My position remains the same I held in the 2011 threads.

But Rotoi is too lazy to dig up old messages... :D
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on September 12, 2013, 01:25:59 AM
Ok. Is it possible to get it clarified or marked with parenthesis "(ghost)"?
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on September 12, 2013, 07:39:02 AM
Everybody knows who were the ghosts, why should we always return to this topic?
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on September 12, 2013, 08:28:24 AM
It's nothing against you this time. If we will keep those records let's get them clear like with CPU pipsqueaks just like you said.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: dreadnaut on September 12, 2013, 12:53:16 PM
Everybody knows who were the ghosts, why should we always return to this topic?

I have no idea ???
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on September 20, 2013, 08:56:02 AM
Lise had no article so far...
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on September 21, 2013, 02:00:05 PM
Lise had no article so far...

And suddenly her page became the third most popular... ;D
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on September 23, 2013, 11:01:39 AM
What about a 'pipsqueak' template, including some useless stats about the certain contestant?
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: BonzaiJoe on September 23, 2013, 01:11:50 PM
Just for curiosity:

Lise is alive and (hopefully) well, living in Aarhus and doing a Ph.D. about Lady Gaga. She has a boyfriend named Knud, whom I don't know anything about. Last time I talked to her was September 2011.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on September 23, 2013, 01:26:05 PM
Lise is alive and (hopefully) well

Great!

doing a Ph.D. about Lady Gaga

:o

She has a boyfriend named Knud, whom I don't know anything about.

1, Dirty lucky Knud! ;D
2, Why should you know anything about your successor?

Last time I talked to her was September 2011.

Last time I talked to her was late 2012 or early 2013. I don't remember exactly, 'cause I was skidin' drunk. ;D
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on September 23, 2013, 01:28:17 PM
Btw adding some new short articles (Doelloos, Cordi MontSerrat, Unskilled Drivers, List of UnskilledStunts race winners).
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: zaqrack on September 23, 2013, 04:00:49 PM

Last time I talked to her was late 2012 or early 2013. I don't remember exactly, 'cause I was skidin' drunk. ;D

was it the next day when Lise deleted her account?
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on September 23, 2013, 04:06:45 PM

Last time I talked to her was late 2012 or early 2013. I don't remember exactly, 'cause I was skidin' drunk. ;D

was it the next day when Lise deleted her account?

I think she left a lot earlier.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on September 23, 2013, 05:16:48 PM
CAP and Parano are cracks without any mention in the wiki. I'll make their profile if it's ok.

...and something else :)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on September 23, 2013, 06:58:07 PM
Btw adding some new short articles (Doelloos, Cordi MontSerrat, Unskilled Drivers, List of UnskilledStunts race winners).

Nice!

CAP and Parano are cracks without any mention in the wiki. I'll make their profile if it's ok.

Of course it is ok, go right ahead :)

What about a 'pipsqueak' template, including some useless stats about the certain contestant?

Good idea... I thought about that on the early days of the Wiki but never got around trying it due to laziness. For that to work, we would need (a) to decide which stats are worth including (b) getting hold of the data - though I suspect you have that mostly covered with your stats.xls and (c) filling in the templates for as many pipsqueaks as possible. 
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on September 23, 2013, 08:18:08 PM
btw, what's the zct track with the most quantity of pipsqueaks? zct100?
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on September 23, 2013, 08:53:55 PM
btw, what's the zct track with the most quantity of pipsqueaks? zct100?

With ghosts: ZCT 55, 31 pipsqueaks
Without... I don't know but ZCT 100 had only 23 participants. I guess there were more popular races in 2004 or 2005.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Chulk on September 24, 2013, 07:23:54 AM
Stunts Wiki is getting really pro  :)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on September 24, 2013, 09:18:00 AM
I'm sure that Usrin and Poo could add some facts to the TSST article (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/TSST_Contest)... ::)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: BonzaiJoe on September 24, 2013, 09:22:53 AM
I think Lise's page should be updated with info about how she once beat former Zakstunts champion Alain il professore.

And maybe Alain's page should be updated to inform that he is the only season champion who has been beaten by a girl.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on September 24, 2013, 09:26:35 AM
I think Lise's page should be updated with info about how she once beat former Zakstunts champion Alain il professore.

And maybe Alain's page should be updated to inform that he is the only season champion who has been beaten by a girl.

You also have an account there, so feel free to edit... ;D
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on September 24, 2013, 09:30:09 AM
And maybe Alain's page should be updated to inform that he is the only season champion who has been beaten by a girl.

ARE YOU SURE??? ;D ;D ;D :P :P :P

ZCT 68 scoreboard:

1 Renato Biker Orion  1:13.90  (-5.05)   manual 10-31   21:00 15
2 Alain Orion  1:14.10  (-15.55) +00.20  manual 10-31   20:22 14
3 Ayrton MeganiuM Aces High  1:17.90  (-3.10) +04.00  manual 10-31   21:00 13
4 Chulk MeganiuM Aces High  1:18.45 +04.55  manual 10-31   21:00 12
5 CTG   1:20.25  (-0.20) +06.35  manual 10-31   20:59 11
6 DarkChaser   1:20.25  (-1.10) +06.35  manual 10-31   04:51 11
7 Mislav Cork`s Crew  1:21.35  (-0.55) +07.45  manual 10-31   16:38 9
8 Dottore Silver Spirit  1:21.40 +07.50  manual 10-11   14:34 8
9 Zak McKracken Cork`s Crew  1:22.15 +08.25  manual 10-12   14:30 7
10 Mark L. Rivers   1:22.45  (-1.35) +08.55  manual 10-11   09:42 6
11 AbuRaf70 MeganiuM Aces High  1:26.70  (-7.00) +12.80  manual 10-17   17:34 5
12 Krys TOFF Damage Inc.  1:29.55 +15.65  manual 10-29   02:40 4
13 SuperBrian Damage Inc.  1:31.00  (-3.60) +17.10  auto 10-31   17:00 3
14 SergioBaro Poder Sudaka  1:47.00 +33.10  manual 10-24   07:36 2
15 Leo Ramone Damage Inc.  2:28.00 +1:14.10  auto 10-22   04:28 1
16 Lene   2:40.00 +1:26.10  auto 10-22   12:48 0
17 JTK   2:44.65 +1:30.75  auto 10-22   15:39 0
18 Bonzai Joe Cork`s Crew  5:45.25  (-4:54.74) +4:31.35  manual 10-06   19:16 0
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: BonzaiJoe on September 24, 2013, 12:20:09 PM
Oh no  :o And by 3 minutes too...
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on September 24, 2013, 12:33:40 PM
"Champions' Wall" in Stunts Chronology is updated with the ghost-free results (USC 2005/06, 2006/07, 2007/08; USL 2007).
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on September 25, 2013, 02:08:29 PM
Stunts Wiki can't handle non-capitalized words as article titles... (that's how pArAnO became PArAnO)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on September 25, 2013, 04:25:41 PM
Btw how could we forget about Stunts T-shirts? ::)

(pictures should be uploaded)

OFF: do you still wear them? Both of my WSM T-shirts are only relics now - the one from 2004 is in really bad condition (washing ~100 times, now it's rather dark grey :D), while the 2006 edition is way too big (it was fine for the fat CTG).
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on September 25, 2013, 07:44:49 PM
There are a couple of mistakes in the last update. I built Zct 33 and it's name was (but this is a Zak's mistake) "Land of the Free" without "The".

And about the T-shirt I have one too. I wore it when I met Gutix.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/250195_10150201244238740_6263537_n.jpg)

I had two 2nd places in 2004 under Stunts Oracle name. Are they count in the medal table or will be discriminated like CTG-Dexter Morgan?

BTW I like to see the wiki growing up.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on September 25, 2013, 07:55:28 PM
There are a couple of mistakes in the last update. I built Zct 33 and it's name was (but this is a Zak's mistake) "Land of the Free" without "The".

Checked only the ZakStunts track collection. Some other track designers were also missing.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: zaqrack on September 26, 2013, 04:25:21 AM
should we share WSM pics somewhere online? I have all of them :)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on September 26, 2013, 05:38:47 AM
I had two 2nd places in 2004 under Stunts Oracle name. Are they count in the medal table or will be discriminated like CTG-Dexter Morgan?

The Wiki says seven second places, which includes those two if I am counting them right. By the way, Mingva-Paradisio results are already unified as well.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on September 26, 2013, 01:26:11 PM
And why CTG-Dexter Morgan not? Wasn't it his nick too?
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on September 26, 2013, 01:48:28 PM
Yeah, I want that 3rd place! :D
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on September 26, 2013, 03:11:10 PM
And why CTG-Dexter Morgan not? Wasn't it his nick too?

Yeah, I want that 3rd place! :D

Done; consensus applied  :)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on September 26, 2013, 04:06:43 PM
And why CTG-Dexter Morgan not? Wasn't it his nick too?

Yeah, I want that 3rd place! :D

Done; consensus applied  :)

I'll sleep better from now. ;D
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on September 26, 2013, 05:53:39 PM
Whohoooo, the videos!!!
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on September 27, 2013, 05:33:42 AM
Whohoooo, the videos!!!

I added a few more of them  ;)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Chulk on September 27, 2013, 07:22:42 AM
Watching those videos made me realize:

1- I think we reached the apogee of Stunts performance. I don't see room for heavy improvement.
2- I miss NoRH (and live events) a lot
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on September 27, 2013, 08:59:21 AM
Whohoooo, the videos!!!

I added a few more of them  ;)

There are many other videos to mention, I'm going to add some in the evening.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on September 27, 2013, 10:25:42 AM
Every pipsqueaks should have a "Trivia" information.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on September 27, 2013, 01:38:07 PM
Could you please add a short summary about each World Stunts Meetings?
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on October 03, 2013, 07:22:12 AM
I added some stuff :D yay! I'll add more tomorrow. :)

BTW, how I submit images?
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on October 03, 2013, 07:46:41 AM
BTW, how I submit images?

Look for "Upload file" in the sidebar; then use [[File:Stuff.png]] to put it in an article (display size, alignment etc. can be set as parameters of the link; the upload page gives one example).
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on October 03, 2013, 01:56:29 PM
Thanks, it was easier than I thought. :D
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on October 05, 2013, 02:10:14 AM
Well I'm sorry but I can't find how to creat a new page. I would like to create some pipsqueaks profiles.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on October 05, 2013, 04:18:49 AM
Well I'm sorry but I can't find how to creat a new page. I would like to create some pipsqueaks profiles.

Two ways:
To make the page appear in the front page indices, add the relevant category tags at the end (for pipsqueak profiles, that would be at least [[Category:R*cers]], and possibly [[Category:Managers]] and [[Category:Hackers]] as well). 
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on October 05, 2013, 07:35:39 AM
Thank you again! Sorry I ask about everything  :-[
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on October 19, 2013, 07:52:43 PM
Great idea the stunts videos section! I already saw ayrton's tribute (after several years) and I have 2 thing to say: 1) It doesn't help for your ego :D, 2) somehow it motivated me :D.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on October 21, 2013, 11:20:48 AM
Adding Chuck Norris Stunts facts and Top Gear articles.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on January 30, 2014, 08:05:31 PM
About the Trivia of each pipsqueak:

I agree and I like the idea, but with REAL things. What you wrote about Argammon maybe was a joke between few pipsqueaks but it's not a rumour.

Try to add REAL info in the wiki.

http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Argammon

Maybe you'll like to add a "fun stuff about" section about pipsqueak where you can write whatever you like but please don't shit over the wiki too.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on January 30, 2014, 09:55:34 PM
1, Argammon said his name is Helmut Schulte - (a lot) later he admitted it was just a joke.
2, The Porsche 944 story was considered true for a few years (2003-2005 maybe). I remember we had a discussion about it at pre-WSM 2005 (Poo, Zak, me).
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on January 30, 2014, 11:04:30 PM
Argammon never said even his pet name. Also never said nothing about a Porsche 944.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on January 30, 2014, 11:56:27 PM
Argammon never said even his pet name. Also never said nothing about a Porsche 944.

He did both, in Stunts chatroom. Ask Akoss Poo.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on January 31, 2014, 01:36:17 AM
Yes, that would help a lot.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on January 31, 2014, 08:13:41 AM
A long ago I talked with someone on the Stunts chat and said, that he got a mail from Argammon, under the name 'Helmut Schulte'. Then I asked Argammon if it is his real name, but he said it wasn't. Later, once I talked with Argammon and he said that his first name is Daniel... but don't take it for granted, he is one of the most mysterious Stunts drivers.

I guess the "somebody" wasn't me, because Akoss Poo would remember it.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on January 31, 2014, 10:35:32 AM
But anyway... it was corrected to "Funny facts" section.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Akoss Poo a.k.a. Zorromeister on February 01, 2014, 10:59:50 AM
A long ago I talked with someone on the Stunts chat and said, that he got a mail from Argammon, under the name 'Helmut Schulte'. Then I asked Argammon if it is his real name, but he said it wasn't. Later, once I talked with Argammon and he said that his first name is Daniel... but don't take it for granted, he is one of the most mysterious Stunts drivers.

I guess the "somebody" wasn't me, because Akoss Poo would remember it.

I was told by CTG that his name is Helmut Schulte. Argammon never told me that. Though once he sent a picture which was said by him to be of himself.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on February 01, 2014, 11:02:41 AM
A long ago I talked with someone on the Stunts chat and said, that he got a mail from Argammon, under the name 'Helmut Schulte'. Then I asked Argammon if it is his real name, but he said it wasn't. Later, once I talked with Argammon and he said that his first name is Daniel... but don't take it for granted, he is one of the most mysterious Stunts drivers.

I guess the "somebody" wasn't me, because Akoss Poo would remember it.

I was told by CTG that his name is Helmut Schulte. Argammon never told me that. Though once he sent a picture which was said by him to be of himself.

Strange. My memories seem to fade away. I think Argammon himself told that name in Stunts chatroom (maybe for fun). The Porsche thing... I don't know, but Zak and you knew about it for sure.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on February 01, 2014, 08:59:33 PM
Yes "strange".
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on February 06, 2014, 09:04:28 PM
35 linked videos and there are still many on YouTube... we are getting better and better!
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on May 29, 2014, 02:24:33 PM
My first post in the forum was in May, not in October. It was in the old forum.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on May 29, 2014, 02:32:11 PM
My first post in the forum was in May, not in October. It was in the old forum.

Feel free to correct it...
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on May 29, 2014, 07:43:56 PM
Yeah.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on July 11, 2014, 08:02:57 PM
Added La Popis profile :)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on July 11, 2014, 08:07:03 PM
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.5427.1313648147!/img/httpImage/fearsome-sci-fi-villains-universe.jpg)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on August 01, 2014, 09:31:38 AM
Is there anybody still using Stunts Wiki?
Title: Okány driving style
Post by: CTG on August 15, 2014, 11:26:59 AM
Adding "Okány driving style"! ;D

http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php?title=Ok%C3%A1ny_driving_style
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Usrin on August 15, 2014, 11:33:27 AM
Is there anybody still using Stunts Wiki?

At least I browse it every now and then.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on August 29, 2014, 03:15:56 PM
At least you do.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on December 12, 2014, 10:22:24 AM
If you don't mind, I'm going to replace the old images of cars at Stunts Wiki with half-profile pictures with better graphics from Stressed.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: dreadnaut on December 12, 2014, 06:41:57 PM
Like the ones of the Christmas Cup page? Nice!
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on January 27, 2015, 04:07:57 PM
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   240      Average Joe      1061   
   241      Crashper's Domination      992   
   242      Friker      965   
   243      Sylvain Chabert      674   
   244      Okány driving style      575   
   245      List of Kalpen Competition race winners      435   
   246      Yellow Fleas      398   
   247      Dreadnaut      304   
   248      ADPunk      272   
   249      Afullo      272   
   250      Stunts Oracle      160   
   251      Vamologocomisso      139   
   252      La Popis      89   
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on January 28, 2015, 12:12:00 AM
I remember when I told you Mingva's page had more views than yours, you clicked until it kept first place :D
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on January 28, 2015, 12:23:40 AM
I remember when I told you Mingva's page had more views than yours, you clicked until it kept first place :D

Check the thick 5xxx view list ahead of Mingva. That was a hard one. :D
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Shoegazing Leo on January 28, 2015, 12:46:10 AM
Curious what Mushi, who race some ST LOL races are relatively popular.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on January 28, 2015, 08:29:30 AM
Curious what Mushi, who race some ST LOL races are relatively popular.

I guess his numbers were increased by an addict who slept on the F5 key... :D
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Shoegazing Leo on March 18, 2015, 03:23:46 AM
Diarrhea needs a article to be the fastest thing:

Alan Rotoi -3 hrs
jajajaa!!
Shoegazing Leo -3 hrs
No. Diarrhea. Everybody had at least one diarrhea what don't had time to think, to turn on the light, to call Mascherano, God or Chuck Norris, or get a powergear to reach the toilet.
Alan Rotoi -4 hrs
The podium is: 1) Javier Mascherano 2) Chuck Norris 3) God
Alan Rotoi -4 hrs
Chuck Norris
Shoegazing Leo -4 hrs
There is a thing faster than the powergear, the light and the thought. Do you know?
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on March 18, 2015, 05:52:56 AM
Mascherano can do a faster time than the fastest possible.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Shoegazing Leo on April 23, 2015, 08:19:52 PM
How to get a login?
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on April 23, 2015, 08:25:42 PM
Ask Dup or Zak. I'll check if I can. Anyway wait a verbal authorization to make it "legal" :D
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Shoegazing Leo on April 23, 2015, 08:34:51 PM
Double D will read it at night, when he's usually online.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on April 23, 2015, 08:46:02 PM
I can't. Maybe they have to creat a user manually.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: zaqrack on April 23, 2015, 09:31:37 PM
I can, but don't remember how. Duplode, please help!  ???
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on April 24, 2015, 12:19:41 AM
I can, but don't remember how. Duplode, please help!  ???

Special Pages >> Login / create account (there will be a create account link if you're a "bureaucrat"); then Special Pages >> User rights management (to add the user to the "trusted" group).

Leo: account created, details on a PM.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Shoegazing Leo on April 24, 2015, 12:28:17 AM
Thank you very much
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Shoegazing Leo on April 24, 2015, 01:09:09 AM
I create a page about The Guns Of Brixton. Very curious what we almost signed vamologocomisso, but he only joined the year after.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: USC_closure on April 25, 2015, 05:21:00 PM
I create a page about The Guns Of Brixton. Very curious what we almost signed vamologocomisso, but he only joined the year after.

Do you know anything about him (and Dark Chaser)? They are both excellent drivers.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Shoegazing Leo on April 25, 2015, 05:30:48 PM
Dark Chaser deleted me or deleted their Facebook.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: USC_closure on April 25, 2015, 05:53:42 PM
Dark Chaser deleted me or deleted their Facebook.

Strange.

I've also blocked all Stunts pipsqueaks but Lise, Akoss Poo and Usrin.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: zaqrack on April 28, 2015, 09:51:55 PM
but you are still here.  :o
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: CTG on August 03, 2020, 11:49:58 AM
Is there a way to create new wiki categories with limited access for team specific content?

I would like to make some new articles related to useless Looping stats (e.g. sport records), which could be edited only by team members. And of course by the Wiki admin.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on August 03, 2020, 09:15:46 PM
Is there a way to create new wiki categories with limited access for team specific content?

I would like to make some new articles related to useless Looping stats (e.g. sport records), which could be edited only by team members. And of course by the Wiki admin.

I think it can be done, by creating a custom protection level. I'll look into it and get back to you.

(Do note that, while editing can be restricted, viewing can't. Also, the list of users which can edit is fairly short already (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=trusted).)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on August 08, 2020, 01:12:48 AM
I think it can be done, by creating a custom protection level. I'll look into it and get back to you.

I have just done it, in a somewhat different way. Any page in the "Looping Warriors" namespace (for instance, Looping Warriors:Home (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php?title=Looping_Warriors:Home)) will only be editable by admins and users in the looping-warriors group (which right now consists of you and Akoss, as Usrin doesn't have an account yet).

(Everyone else: If your team is also interested in having a namespace of its own, just let me know.)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: afullo on November 02, 2020, 11:14:29 PM
Just pour parler, since we just did it for a Star Trek wiki in Italian; could be of some use to update the MediaWiki version of the Stunts Wiki? ;)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: dreadnaut on November 05, 2020, 10:50:56 PM
Just pour parler, since we just did it for a Star Trek wiki in Italian; could be of some use to update the MediaWiki version of the Stunts Wiki? ;)

That could be a good idea, which nice things would we get?

I see two obstacles: first my "if it ain't broken..." bias :P, but mainly the hosting we have is currently on an old version of PHP, and I have no way to update it (Zak might, but I'm not sure)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: afullo on November 06, 2020, 08:57:07 PM
Lots (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes) of things, but I was mostly concerned about support, since versions prior to 1.31 are considered as deprecated, thus not being supported properly anymore in case of need.

Yes, versions from 1.31 onward would require PHP 7, so if we are running on 4 or 5 we cannot update...
Title: Wiki discrepancy on car parameters
Post by: Cas on December 10, 2020, 02:45:11 AM
Reading the Wiki, I found that the car parameters (from the .res file) as specified in the Car files article (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php?title=Car_files) does not match the distribution described in the Car parameters article (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php?title=Car_parameters). My feeling is that the Car parameters article is newer and more thorough and therefore, more likely to contain the correct information. I can make some experiments to confirm this, but if you guys already know the answer, we could fix it sooner. Perhaps the Car files article refers to version 1.0?
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on December 10, 2020, 03:56:22 AM
Reading the Wiki, I found that the car parameters (from the .res file) as specified in the Car files article (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php?title=Car_files) does not match the distribution described in the Car parameters article (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php?title=Car_parameters). My feeling is that the Car parameters article is newer and more thorough and therefore, more likely to contain the correct information. I can make some experiments to confirm this, but if you guys already know the answer, we could fix it sooner.

Well spotted, thanks. It is indeed the case the "Car files" article is the older one, and the "Car parameters" one had the correct values, plus a few later discoveries that were missing from the chart. I have fixed the discrepancies.

Perhaps the Car files article refers to version 1.0?

IIRC the CAR*.RES parameters are the same across both versions; the changes in car behaviour arise from small differences elsewhere in the game engine.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Cas on December 10, 2020, 11:00:16 PM
Thanks, Duplode!  After I wrote the last message, I've been making a research and I've learnt a lot about the format. I made a text file that contains in separate sections what each car has for each parameter. It's interesting to look at, but too long and untidy to be an article!
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: afullo on December 18, 2020, 09:46:34 PM
An example of what you can highlight as markup with a new MediaWiki version.

PS: Star Trek Discovery spoiler alert! (I was working on that...)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Cas on December 19, 2020, 03:02:42 AM
That newer version looks very good!  By the way, do you guys know if it is possible to get the Wiki viewable in dark background?  And if that is done, can it be configured per user or is it only possible if the whole thing switches?
Title: Game version comparison at the Wiki
Post by: Duplode on January 21, 2021, 11:30:59 PM
I have added a work-in-progress set of tables (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php?title=Game_versions#Comparison_of_game_versions) summarising the differences between the game versions to the relevant Wiki article. If you see anything missing, please let us know and/or edit it in. Oh, and one of those items might surprise you!  :)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: afullo on January 22, 2021, 01:16:08 AM
Great work! :D Hmm, is there a track (Vancouver) inside DEFAULT.RPL ? Mine (BB 1.1) is 2.8 KB, so it cannot contain both DEFAULT.TRK and VANCOUVR.TRK...  :o
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on January 22, 2021, 01:51:57 AM
Hmm, is there a track (Vancouver) inside DEFAULT.RPL ? Mine (BB 1.1) is 2.8 KB, so it cannot contain both DEFAULT.TRK and VANCOUVR.TRK...  :o

In the 1.1 versions as originally distributed, there is a DEFAULT.RPL replay which was driven on the "hidden" VANCOUVR track. viniciusferrao and dstien have covered the details in this thread (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=2758.0). (I probably should add some footnotes to the table to better explain this sort of thing.)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Cas on January 22, 2021, 06:35:12 AM
Yes, probably DEFAULT.TRK, VANCOUVR.TRK and DEFAULT.RPL deserve their own articles. I have already told this, but the version of Stunts I first met was Brøderbund 1.0. It clearly had gone through other hands before so what I will say about it not necessarily describes features of the original 1.0 version, yet some items might. It was March or April 1993 and in Argentina, original software did not exist. Piracy was the only way of obtaining any software. A friend at school, upon knowing that I had a new PC (a 386 DX), offered to come to my place and bring some games. He came with a box of boxes of floppies. One of the games he copied to me was Stunts.

At that time, there were shops in Buenos Aires that were dedicated to somehow obtaining original games, then rebrand them by adding an extra init screen and/or a crack and sometimes a routine that would ask you to enter a password and the password was the shop name. Then, they would redistribute the game by selling cheap copies. In other parts of the country, such us where I live, there were other shops that would feed themselves from these Buenos Aires shops. A guy would visit these shops in Buenos Aires from time to time and buy as many copies as they could, bring them back to Córdoba and then resell. The most famous game reseller (pirate, of course) in my town was called "Wolrd Soft".

Anyway, my copy of Stunts had an extra intro screen that displayed the name of the Buenos Aires shop. Then, a crack would run and the game would kick in. The DEFAULT.TRK was the one we all know, except that it had been modified and one of the paths was incomplete. It seems that version 1.0 allowed for incomplete paths as long as at least one could be driven. Version 1.1 won't let you race if there are incomplete paths (-=To be verified=-). The DEFAULT.RPL was raced on the original DEFAULT.TRK or perhaps on this modified DEFAULT.TRK. I still have the copy, so I'll check. But it was clear that this wasn't the truly original DEFAULT.RPL because it ended in a crash at the loop (the car would shoot up into the sky and then fall and crash into the ground). No VANCOUVR.TRK. A file was missing which caused selecting Skid Vicious to crash when trying to race, but I later found the missing file somewhere else and incorporated it to my copy. The AdLib/SB driver produced strange artifacts, but I later solved this problem by replacing it with the driver from the game Fight (a.k.a. 4D Sport Boxing). So my old copy isn't exactly as it originally came. The crack was a file called STUNT.COM (only one "stunt") and there was a file called MLOOK.BAT that would first call SETUP, then STUNT. STUNT would call STUNTS and STUNTS would call LOAD. If you ran STUNTS, it'd have the "security system" activated.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: KyLiE on January 22, 2021, 02:14:24 PM
I have added a work-in-progress set of tables (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php?title=Game_versions#Comparison_of_game_versions) summarising the differences between the game versions to the relevant Wiki article.

Nice work!

Oh, and one of those items might surprise you!  :)

Which item are you referring to?  Is it VANCOUVR.TRK?
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: afullo on January 22, 2021, 02:18:14 PM
Hmm, is there a track (Vancouver) inside DEFAULT.RPL ? Mine (BB 1.1) is 2.8 KB, so it cannot contain both DEFAULT.TRK and VANCOUVR.TRK...  :o

In the 1.1 versions as originally distributed, there is a DEFAULT.RPL replay which was driven on the "hidden" VANCOUVR track. viniciusferrao and dstien have covered the details in this thread (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=2758.0). (I probably should add some footnotes to the table to better explain this sort of thing.)

Nice, I didn't know about it! Well, I guess most of the current players not aware of the fact possess just one version of DEFAULT.RPL, thus not being able to extract VANCOUVR.TRK in any manner, so it could be an idea to explain how that track is not hidden in the most diffused version of the replay file...
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on January 22, 2021, 11:39:09 PM
Yes, probably DEFAULT.TRK, VANCOUVR.TRK and DEFAULT.RPL deserve their own articles. I have already told this, but the version of Stunts I first met was Brøderbund 1.0. It clearly had gone through other hands before so what I will say about it not necessarily describes features of the original 1.0 version, yet some items might.

On a related note, later I will add a track map of DEFAULT.TRK to its article, so that readers can find out whether the one in their copy has been modified, which indeed is a common occurrence. Loved the tidbit about the extra intro screen, by the way  :)

Which item are you referring to?  Is it VANCOUVR.TRK?

The one I was thinking of was the left corner bias -- the bias CTG has been warning us of (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=18.msg67023#msg67023) through all those years. I have only realised the 1990 and 1991 versions differ on that last week, and it left me flabbergasted.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: KyLiE on January 23, 2021, 02:40:34 AM
The one I was thinking of was the left corner bias -- the bias CTG has been warning us of (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=18.msg67023#msg67023) through all those years.

Yes, that is quite interesting as well.  I always thought CTG was just bad at right hand corners! :P

Also, in case you find it interesting, the version of Stunts that I first played was the Mindscape 13/12/1990 version released by Red Sector.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Cas on January 23, 2021, 07:13:50 AM
This is the screen that appears when starting the Stunts 1.0 version I have. I also see there is a SMAX program there. It looks like that one is the crack, then STUNT.COM is the one that loads this start screen.

By the way, what does this left corner bias consist of exactly?  Physicists would say that the Stunts space-time violates C-symmetry  ;D  I'm pretty sure it violates T-symmetry too. P-symmetry... uhm... what would that be in Stunts?  ::)

There are two things that I've tried to resolve about Stunts but seem like a mystery. I'll create a thread about them to discuss... maybe we in the community know more than one another thinks.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: afullo on January 23, 2021, 01:05:34 PM
Also, in case you find it interesting, the version of Stunts that I first played was the Mindscape 13/12/1990 version released by Red Sector.

It was my only version until 2014, when I discovered ZakStunts; before that, I played it for the last time on September 2001, configuring a 12+ years timespan in which I didn't play Stunts at all.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on January 23, 2021, 02:18:42 PM
So I dug out my old backups, and it turns out the (Broderbund 1990) Stunts copy I had in the nineties had a distributor not unlike the one Cas describes! I guess I didn't remember it clearly because I often wouldn't use the modified executable back then (my copy also had a TXT file with the security system answers), but also because the patch was rather unobtrusive. As you can see in the screenshot below, the distributor credited themselves through an exit screen, rather than an intro one. Also note the phone numbers, in the old Brazilian area-code-and-seven-digits format, for branches in Brasília and São Paulo. Quite a professional operation :)

By the way, what does this left corner bias consist of exactly?

Have you ever felt that, in the 1991 versions, left corners seem easier than right ones? If you want to see it under controlled conditions, I have attached two minimal tracks with four large corners, one clockwise and the other anticlockwise. Try driving each of them as fast as you can with the Corvette on auto gears, and you'll likely notice the difference straight away.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Daniel3D on January 23, 2021, 03:43:30 PM
Also, in case you find it interesting, the version of Stunts that I first played was the Mindscape 13/12/1990 version released by Red Sector.

I had this cracked version to. I remember it so wel that I just started all versions I have just to verify it's not there anymore..
(I kind of knew because I have my versions from JTK since early 2000 something)
Although my oldest track backup contains also mostly JTK tracks, that's how I refound the game. "Stunts + JTK"
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Cas on January 23, 2021, 09:34:31 PM
Quote from: Duplode
Try driving each of them as fast as you can with the Corvette on auto gears
At the beginning, it didn't seem too different. I had a better time turning left than turning right, but I felt it was just that I hadn't driven that well. Then I tried the one that turns left again and yes, it clearly is much easier. It's strange, because I can't really describe what the issue is when turning right. It's just harder. I could say there's less grip, but maybe it's not exactly that.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: KyLiE on January 23, 2021, 11:35:45 PM
I tried this as well and it does seem that turning left is easier than turning right.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Daniel3D on January 24, 2021, 09:34:23 PM
Hmm, is there a track (Vancouver) inside DEFAULT.RPL ? Mine (BB 1.1) is 2.8 KB, so it cannot contain both DEFAULT.TRK and VANCOUVR.TRK...  :o

In the 1.1 versions as originally distributed, there is a DEFAULT.RPL replay which was driven on the "hidden" VANCOUVR track. viniciusferrao and dstien have covered the details in this thread (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=2758.0). (I probably should add some footnotes to the table to better explain this sort of thing.)

For a long time i thought the replay to be coded somewere. (i never kept replays so i didn't overwrite it)
but extracting the track from the replay is actualy verry simple. (can be done in stunts for any replay you dont have the track of)
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For those, like me, who didn't know this

Code: [Select]
Load the replay form options,
choose restart driving,
Drive or not, if you do, you'll get a insert track disk in drive B message at the high score because the track is not found.
go back to the menu
Go to tracks, here the track is visible
edit the track and save. it will get the right name as well.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Cas on January 24, 2021, 10:55:23 PM
In the 90's, I had many replays whose track I had lost. I used to watch them wishing that I still had the track. In some cases, watching carefully, I tried to memorise the path and then recreate the track. That was only at the very beginning. Soon I became comfortable with binary files and with a quick look, I realised that the tracks were entirely contained in the replays, so I made a simple tool to extract them at that time. Of course, if I had been more thoughtful, I would've realised I could've done it within Stunts, but I had only had my computer for a few months :P
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Daniel3D on January 25, 2021, 05:37:52 AM
Of course, if I had been more thoughtful, I would've realised I could've done it within Stunts,

I has been staring me in my face for over 25 years. It's obvious in hindsight. Doesn't mean it's easy to discover.
Some on the forum might be knowing of this for years but have never mentioned it because it's so obvious. 8)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Cas on January 26, 2021, 07:17:23 PM
I guess it's similar to the trick to sign the scoreboard after RH. It's something that one can reason that can be done before actually trying it, but because we don't normally expect it, we don't stop to think about it and so, it took relatively long for people to come up with that.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: GTAMan18 on February 26, 2021, 02:24:56 PM
The one I was thinking of was the left corner bias -- the bias CTG has been warning us of (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=18.msg67023#msg67023) through all those years.

Yes, that is quite interesting as well.  I always thought CTG was just bad at right hand corners! :P

Also, in case you find it interesting, the version of Stunts that I first played was the Mindscape 13/12/1990 version released by Red Sector.

Only the crack was released by Red Sector, and also that was the version I played back in the summer of 2014, when I didn't have desktop internet connection, playing loud musics with Windows Media Player, playing the game without DOSBox, on my old IBM computer I wish I still have but didn't last long
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: KyLiE on February 27, 2021, 02:45:47 AM
Only the crack was released by Red Sector

I know, I meant in terms of a warez group release, not an official release.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: GTAMan18 on March 12, 2021, 06:41:03 PM
http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/Game_versions#Other_versions
Fast rewinding is present in NEC PC-9801 version
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on March 12, 2021, 09:46:41 PM
I put the "confirmation pending" there because I kinda suspected the issues with rewinding I had were a DOSBox-X artefact. Thanks for confirming that.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on September 02, 2021, 06:09:07 AM
I would like to add all the info collected about both seasons of 4dsL. Every scoreboard, every pipsqueak, countries, times, stats and more stuff. I don't want to make a mess so when I upload it I'll ask here if you please can check it.

Oh I should update Melange page too.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on September 15, 2021, 12:58:24 PM
This is the screen that appears when starting the Stunts 1.0 version I have. I also see there is a SMAX program there. It looks like that one is the crack, then STUNT.COM is the one that loads this start screen.

By the way, what does this left corner bias consist of exactly?  Physicists would say that the Stunts space-time violates C-symmetry  ;D  I'm pretty sure it violates T-symmetry too. P-symmetry... uhm... what would that be in Stunts?  ::)

There are two things that I've tried to resolve about Stunts but seem like a mystery. I'll create a thread about them to discuss... maybe we in the community know more than one another thinks.

I had the Budokan copy from RedPont. And many more that I can't remember ;D

The shop near my home back in early 90's was Megasoft. It was small and dark full of computer magazine posters and kids. I bought my late childhood there :D
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Cas on September 19, 2021, 01:01:21 AM
Ah!  That was a wonderful time!  I was at high school in 1993 and we had normal classes from Monday to Friday and a special lab on Saturdays. This lab started at 10am and was just a couple of hours long. Because the school was near downtown, it was the perfect moment to go and buy games. So sometimes, I would meet with my friends before the lab class at the (pirate) software shop. The place was small and they had a catalog you could look at while you waited. Sometimes, there were so many people packed there!  But if we would go early enough, like about 8am, then it was all for us. The catalog consisted of a dot-matrix printed list of game titles, with the size of the game (in HD floppies) and a few other marks and flags. We'd go down the list and if a title was appealing, we'd ask the guy there what it was about. The seller was young too and he was usually very honest about his impression of the game. We'd ask if it had hot-seat multiplayer and things like that.

Many times, one of the guys there was playing a game that had recently been added to the collection and we could watch him play because he had an additional monitor connected that faced the entrance. In the background, they had four or five computer boxes with two floppy drives each, whose LEDs were flashing. They had a duplication program running there all the time. All they had to do was insert two disks and the program would automatically start copying. It was the most pirate and amazing thing those days!  ;D
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Daniel3D on September 19, 2021, 12:47:42 PM
Wow, that was not possible here in the Netherlands.
Here pirated games came from a guy that knew a guy. A network probably similar to drugs trade  8)
So quite depending on supply.

When CD ROM came it became a bit easier.
I remember 'crazy bytes' 4double CD-ROMs filled with stuff.

In 2007 that guy was sentenced..
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... the maker of the Twilight and Crazybytes CDs was sentenced in Utrecht to a fine of 1.5 million euros for 'professionally exercising intentional copyright infringement'. In the period from January 1998 to June 16, 2001, the Dutchman sold countless CDs with which various cracked software packages were illegally distributed. According to the court's calculations, the pirate would have earned a total of 3,698,300 guilders, converted 1,678,215 euros. The judge ruled that this entire amount, after deduction of ten percent, must be paid to the Dutch State as a fine. The judge was not interested in the defendant's defense that this amount cannot be afforded to him
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Cas on September 23, 2021, 11:32:13 PM
Wow!  Things were more strict there!  Here, the high boom was up until 1994 and then, that started to change with CDs because most people didn't have a CD burner, so these shops would actually rent game CDs. Around 1996 to 1997, pirate shops began receiving warnings that controls were going to be enforced to stop this and since by then, people had started to have access to their own CD burners, the business wasn't as affordable anyway, so they opted to just stop doing piracy and focus on some other activity. I don't think any of them was ever prosecuted. When it was lucrative, it was easy to do.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on September 24, 2021, 06:44:05 AM
Yep. Those times were a beatiful dream 🙂. Only good memories now.

About stunts wiki, I updated Melange and 4dsL articles. Could somebody take a look for possible grammar errors?
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Cas on September 24, 2021, 07:20:06 AM
I gave it a read and found just a few very small details that I corrected. There are some things that in my opinion, are OK, but I'm not sure if you meant exactly that, so I just left them as they are.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on September 24, 2021, 01:22:45 PM
Probably I wrote Spanish ideas in English. Damn language limitation. :-\
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Cas on September 24, 2021, 06:34:17 PM
Oh, but there were very minimal things. When I write an article myself and then re-read it, I normally find these things too.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on September 24, 2021, 07:19:40 PM
Thanks for the corrections :)
I had a tricks section in 4dsL site that may help for a bigger article about it... or maybe a video... I could reproduce (I hope) these tricks and list them in a video on youtube. ::)
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on September 26, 2021, 02:13:53 AM
2 questions:

a) How to edit an articles title? (I wrote "Cap" instead of "CAP")
b) Should we add real names in the pipsqueaks table profile? There is a list here in the forum so I think it's ok. What do you think?
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Cas on September 26, 2021, 06:47:00 PM
Not sure, but...

a) This might have to do with the Wiki server being case insensitive, but preserving case (like Windows file names). If that's the case, maybe renaming to something else and then back to the desired name could work
b) I normally prefer to be called either by nickname or just first name, but in the Stunts community, I don't think it does any harm to share my real name. But that's me. I reckon each person will think something different
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Duplode on September 26, 2021, 06:51:48 PM
a) How to edit an articles title? (I wrote "Cap" instead of "CAP")

For that you have to move the page -- there is a "move" button on the top of the page, near the "edit" one. In any case, I have just moved this one (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php?title=CAP).

b) Should we add real names in the pipsqueaks table profile? There is a list here in the forum so I think it's ok. What do you think?

I suggest not adding that -- I'm fine with them (or the ones that are already out there anyway) being is a slightly more out-of-the-way place like here.
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: alanrotoi on October 18, 2021, 03:18:40 PM
By the way, if anybody wants a pipsqueak profile in the wiki please write it and I'll submit it. There are many active pipsqueaks without a profile: KyLiE, Daniel3D, Ryoma, GTAman15, KaoS, Heretic.........
Title: Re: Stunts WIKI
Post by: Cas on October 19, 2021, 08:48:50 PM
I think every pipsqueak should have a profile. We're making history here! :P