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Krys Toff's Competitions => Feel The Thrill => Topic started by: Krys TOFF on August 05, 2008, 11:59:17 PM

Title: FTT0107
Post by: Krys TOFF on August 05, 2008, 11:59:17 PM
Next track is under design already. It will be a GTO track designed by Duplode.
Expect quite a long track. ;)
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Chulk on August 14, 2008, 10:17:16 PM
Next track is under design already. It will be a GTO track designed by Duplode.
Expect quite a long track. ;)
Also expect a track with lots of sharp corners (he said he likes them) and, of course! expect Duplode's victory there.
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Krys TOFF on August 25, 2008, 12:43:34 AM
Website updated with new track available. I had no time to test the track since the 1st draft version. I hope the unfinished replay bug possibility has been removed Duplode. ;)
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Duplode on August 25, 2008, 01:14:51 AM
Website updated with new track available. I had no time to test the track since the 1st draft version. I hope the unfinished replay bug possibility has been removed Duplode. ;)

It was removed, that particular sector is no longer dual-way.  :) Chulk: you won't find that many sharp turns considering this is a rather long track; I chose to abuse another staple track element instead...
And finally, I should mention this track fantasy name is Roundabout. I'll let Mark figure out the reason... :D (but observe the track closely before elaborating your judgement :))
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on August 25, 2008, 09:02:27 AM

I only see the track with Track Blaster. First impression: very long, quite difficult and, above all not "user friendly" track... I think that it will very difficult for me reaching the right feeling that usually I reach trying and re-trying on a track. It's not easy on a long track with a "easy car" like Indy or IMSA, absolutely difficult with a "soap" car with Powergear...
Anyway, due to my current position in classification and due to the title of the track (http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=OFJlMRnF7jg (http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=OFJlMRnF7jg)  ;)) I'll give my best...
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: AbuRaf70 on August 25, 2008, 03:36:47 PM
Ya probé la FTT0107...  Me gustó pese a que es un poco larga y tiene algunos lugares donde la pista "se corta"...

De todas maneras, ya estoy acostumbrado a salir último...  En la F106 creí que le ganaría a Krys, pero me superó por 0,05...   Le sirvió para ganarme...  Pero, a mi me gusta participar y eso hago, al margen del resultado que obtenga...  Aunque les puedo asegurar, que siempre pongo todo de mi para mejorar mis tiempos...
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Krys TOFF on August 25, 2008, 05:10:33 PM
Sorry AbuRaf. And thanks again for participating actively since you installed DOSBox. ;)
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Duplode on August 26, 2008, 12:43:47 AM
Mark and Abu: yes, the track is a bit scary... but I feel (with a lot of bias, of course!) there are only two key "trouble spots": the valley entrance and the fast mountain section. If you sort those out, it will be viable to keep a steady rhythm on the rest of the track. I will wait a few days to let you play a bit more and vent your opinions before commenting further (and posting my opening time with it...  :)).
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on August 26, 2008, 02:32:11 PM

1st attempt, session 10 minutes long...  :-\
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on August 26, 2008, 03:01:57 PM

A bit better...
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on August 27, 2008, 09:29:54 AM

But AbuRaf70 is already on my wash!  :)
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Krys TOFF on August 27, 2008, 01:14:31 PM

1st attempt, session 10 minutes long...  :-\
You know, most of my Stunts racing sessions last only 10-15 minutes. And it happens that I do only 1 racing session per track sometimes. But this is for RH competitions.
I don't race noRH if I'm not sure to have at least 30 minutes available, noRH requires more time due to numerous missed attempts or crashes.
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Chulk on August 27, 2008, 11:47:57 PM
I'll start racing tomorrow. It's raining heavily here and I'll go for a long walk right now. I love walking under the rain, getting wet rules!
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Krys TOFF on August 28, 2008, 10:04:53 AM
/OFF TOPIC
Quote from: Chulk
getting wet rules!
Mmmm, sure. Especially when your dick is getting wet by "women's private rain" I may say, proving you did your job properly. ;D
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
/END OF OFF TOPIC
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Chulk on August 28, 2008, 07:28:42 PM
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
You never can!
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Krys TOFF on August 28, 2008, 11:27:35 PM
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
You never can!
Indeed. ;D
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Duplode on August 30, 2008, 02:01:09 AM
Well, I planned to wait for Chulk's first impressions beforehand, but it wouldn't be very nice to withhold my opening lap for much longer, so there it is   :) It is a moderately strong time, far from perfect but without major mistakes. Also, I imagine one of the main trouble spots you guys are identifying is the blind 90º turn at the valley entrance (skip the hidden sentence in invisible font just ahead if you prefer not to read USC-style track spoilers, otherwise just cut-paste it to somewhere else  ;)). There is a reasonably sane (that is, one that won't drive you nuts too soon) way to get across it at full speed. Approach it from a wide trajectory making good use of the fast grass before, then aim for the apex of the small corner inserted on the slope while turning, gently, rightwards towards the hill.
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on August 30, 2008, 12:34:03 PM

I just made a lap in 1'39"... My only matter is that I realized it with RH...
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on August 30, 2008, 02:21:47 PM

Understanding that the loop can be cut  ::), I took a bit of courage and I tried to push... The results begin to become interesting...  ;)
Duplode remains the super-favourite of this race (not in order to be the designer but for his current shape and his feeling with GTO), but he will have to push hard even in this race to get the decisive points for the title...   8)
Just a pity for me that until the 10th of September I won't able to race...  ::)
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Duplode on August 30, 2008, 06:17:30 PM
Strong early time, Mark! At least you have found a good pace before your travel... :)
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Duplode on September 07, 2008, 03:18:21 AM
In anticipation of the final week, Krys' and Chulk's debut and Mark's return, I resumed my activities on the race... expecting any replies  :)
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Chulk on September 07, 2008, 04:27:13 AM
Silent racing for me so far, as I'm still over 1:40. I'll race a bit harder next week but don't expect much from me. GTO is the car I hate the most...
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Krys TOFF on September 07, 2008, 11:42:28 PM
Challenging track ! Every time I have a good start, I crash on the bloody tunnel wall just before the elevated corner at the end of the track...
My current posted time is an awful one with numerous mistakes, but it's the only un-crashed replay I have so far.
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on September 10, 2008, 01:13:46 PM
Even I had not touched a PC since August, it was impossible for me forgetting this race...
Why? Because in Ireland there are a lot of crosses approached by ... well, see attached image!  ;)

Btw, the script above is in Irish language, the gaelic!
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Duplode on September 14, 2008, 03:27:57 AM
Challenging track ! Every time I have a good start, I crash on the bloody tunnel wall just before the elevated corner at the end of the track...

Yes, I see what you mean. There are several lines to get that sector done right, the only problem is there are about twenty times more ways to mess it up completely... :D

Even I had not touched a PC since August, it was impossible for me forgetting this race...
Why? Because in Ireland there are a lot of crosses approached by ... well, see attached image!  ;)

Btw, the script above is in Irish language, the gaelic!

Wonder if you've seen many valleys, lakes and mountains too... ;)

By the way, a short while ago I was (or better, I still am) attempting to lower my time. I assure you guys it's not being easy. If only I could get it two seconds closer to the limit I predicted...
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on September 14, 2008, 01:39:47 PM
Even I had not touched a PC since August, it was impossible for me forgetting this race...
Why? Because in Ireland there are a lot of crosses approached by ... well, see attached image!  ;)

Btw, the script above is in Irish language, the gaelic!

Wonder if you've seen many valleys, lakes and mountains too... ;)


You can be sure, about 1000 pictures with my camera... ;)

By the way, a short while ago I was (or better, I still am) attempting to lower my time. I assure you guys it's not being easy.

Absolutely it's not easy...
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Duplode on September 14, 2008, 07:33:53 PM
Duplode remains the super-favourite of this race (not in order to be the designer but for his current shape and his feeling with GTO), but he will have to push hard even in this race to get the decisive points for the title...   8)

Well, it seems that every time I get super-favourite status on a race I end up failing to confirm the predictions... congratulations Mark! I'm really looking forward to see your approach on this  :)
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on September 14, 2008, 07:50:10 PM
I (pleasently) have to congratulate with you too, because your time is really very, very strong. When I wrote my last comment, I had "only" a 1.34,75 and I had found very hard overtaking your 1.35,05. But just after 10 minutes I searched to lower again my time, founding the 1.33,60. I tried again for several attempts, but after every crash (obviously against the tunnel...) I re-drove in RH the race, obtaining a time not better than 1.33,20 - 1.33,30. And this convicted me that maybe I had a time strong enough to win...  ;)   And I'm also waiting to see your replay to analyze our races, section by section.  :)

Now, I wait the thanks from Krys having kept open (at least for the moment) the fight and the interest for the title...  :D ;)
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Chulk on September 15, 2008, 03:41:34 AM
Sorry guys I didn't join this race, but being completely honest I hated this track/car combination. Way too many blind jumps for a car with high speed and more than crappy handling. I couldn't find GTO limits in the few time I raced before ofuscating completely, and the best I did was 1:44.90 and even failed to save it because I accidentally must have pressed F5 twice when I started the lap. So I gave up, guys.
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Duplode on September 16, 2008, 12:40:33 AM
Sorry guys I didn't join this race, but being completely honest I hated this track/car combination. Way too many blind jumps for a car with high speed and more than crappy handling. I couldn't find GTO limits in the few time I raced before ofuscating completely, and the best I did was 1:44.90 and even failed to save it because I accidentally must have pressed F5 twice when I started the lap. So I gave up, guys.

Well, at least now it seems Krys has a pretty good perspective about where the thresold for track difficulty is: #6 was rather close to the limit but still in the "good" side of the thin line, while my #7 arguably has gone a bit too far.

I (pleasently) have to congratulate with you too, because your time is really very, very strong. When I wrote my last comment, I had "only" a 1.34,75 and I had found very hard overtaking your 1.35,05. But just after 10 minutes I searched to lower again my time, founding the 1.33,60. I tried again for several attempts, but after every crash (obviously against the tunnel...) I re-drove in RH the race, obtaining a time not better than 1.33,20 - 1.33,30. And this convicted me that maybe I had a time strong enough to win...  ;) 

To me it seems the perfect-lap NoRH limit might be 1:30, but that is madness, not even worth discussing (or attepmting) :). I had slight hopes to eventually reach 1:32.xx or maybe even a high 1:31.xx, but that proved too hard as well...

 And I'm also waiting to see your replay to analyze our races, section by section.  :)

Well, we're two then! One interesting point was that, regardless of who would win, I didn't expect such a small gap, for there are quite a few places where you could win or lose nearly a second by slight details. That probably means there were a lot of overtakings in our race... :) I only wonder who'll publish the analysis first  :D

Now, I wait the thanks from Krys having kept open (at least for the moment) the fight and the interest for the title...  :D ;)

Indeed, by winning the four remaining races the title is yours regardless of my results ;)
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on September 16, 2008, 12:16:28 PM
To me it seems the perfect-lap NoRH limit might be 1:30, but that is madness, not even worth discussing (or attepmting) :). I had slight hopes to eventually reach 1:32.xx or maybe even a high 1:31.xx, but that proved too hard as well...

I totally agree with you Duplode. 1.30 was possible but it would have been like winning a lottery, nothing less. Instead a high 1.31 or a low 1.32 were sure more approachable, but too many variables had to concur at the result. In a trial after a crash against the "abominable" tunnel, I tried to re-drive the tract, exiting from the last elevated corner at 1.13.xx, almost 1.50 seconds better than my winning time. But I have not regrets about that attempt. I think that our times are really what we can define anyway great times considering all the difficult passages that demanded a lot of careful and a high dose of risk...  ;)

 And I'm also waiting to see your replay to analyze our races, section by section.  :)

Well, we're two then! One interesting point was that, regardless of who would win, I didn't expect such a small gap, for there are quite a few places where you could win or lose nearly a second by slight details. That probably means there were a lot of overtakings in our race... :) I only wonder who'll publish the analysis first  :D

Why do you often write the same thoughts I did?  :D  Effectively I think that there were a lot of surpasses between us. Even because in my race I made (due to what I aforesaid in the previous comment) several imprecisions. I can anticipate that my first part of race was not excellent, bad first curve, quite good blind jump, but at the first corkscrew I passed almost 1 second worse than my best passages. I think to made instead a very good corner around 35 seconds taking after a very high risk avoiding really for few "centimeters" the right side of the ramp that leads at the 2nd corkscrew. The trajectory was not good (totally on the left my landing on the fast chicane) but the speed was indeed quite high. In fact I jumped from the subsequent ramp at 52.xx seconds, one of my best passages, even if the bump on the bankroad didn't give me a very big help... Anyway I think to have drive quite well from that point until the finish, even if (again) I lost something jumping from the last hill (strong debbost of the speed due to an incorrect path). Finally, last ramps had not give me an useful final rebound to land with a high speed, losing so about 0.50 seconds...

Now, I wait the thanks from Krys having kept open (at least for the moment) the fight and the interest for the title...  :D ;)

Indeed, by winning the four remaining races the title is yours regardless of my results ;)

Winning all the last 4 races is not a reasonable target for me. Your shape is really, really great. Moreover we still have to drive with Countach and Corvette...  :-X   Sure, if I think that I just won a GTO race...  ::)  Anyway you know: you will have to put all your (big) mastery to snatch the title from my hands...  ;) :)
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Chulk on September 17, 2008, 12:37:21 AM
...by winning the four remaining races the title is yours regardless of my results ;)
Winning all the last 4 races is not a reasonable target for me. ... we still have to drive with ... Corvette...
It's OK, Mark. You can be 2nd there and still beat Duplode  ;)
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on September 17, 2008, 09:58:04 AM

I didn't forget (I really can't!) your wonderful skill, Chulk!!!!!!  :) :)
Just yesterday I re-watch my video-tribute about NORH race and I'm always fascinated ahead your marvelous performances, above all some passages in Caliber and Everglades....!  8)
But... your current shape (or maybe your mood or motivation) can't assure me about a your great performance in the next races... So I simply can't make counts of you, and I can have a unique target, that is win the races. Moreover, and most important thing, if I won't win all the races, obtaining anyway 2 points more than Duplode in every race, I'll pair Duplode in the number of points, but I'll lose the title because he will have a higher number of victories. So I really have to win all the races!  ::)

A thing is sure: if you'll realize great performance this will be a decisive element in the run for the title! If you'll win races, this will help (undirectly) Duplode. If you will arrive 2nd behind me, you will help (undirectly) me permitting me to rescue a higher number of points on Duplode. So.. really an exciting final!  8)
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Duplode on September 17, 2008, 04:42:09 PM
Moreover, and most important thing, if I won't win all the races, obtaining anyway 2 points more than Duplode in every race, I'll pair Duplode in the number of points, but I'll lose the title because he will have a higher number of victories. So I really have to win all the races!  ::)

Hold on a sec... if Mark and me get 1-2 (in that order) in three of the following races and Chulk wins the remaining one with Mark 2nd and me 3rd, we'll have a perfect draw - five victories, five second places and one third place for both! :o I'm not sure what Krys would do then, but assuming he uses head-to-head record for draw resolution, Mark would indeed win the title (6-5 head-to-head).  ::)
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on September 17, 2008, 06:01:29 PM

Incredible... it would be... but improbable... ;)
Anyway Krys will find the right solution!

Btw... Krys..? 
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Chulk on September 17, 2008, 10:43:38 PM
Moreover, and most important thing, if I won't win all the races, obtaining anyway 2 points more than Duplode in every race, I'll pair Duplode in the number of points, but I'll lose the title because he will have a higher number of victories. So I really have to win all the races!  ::)

Hold on a sec... if Mark and me get 1-2 (in that order) in three of the following races and Chulk wins the remaining one with Mark 2nd and me 3rd, we'll have a perfect draw - five victories, five second places and one third place for both! :o I'm not sure what Krys would do then, but assuming he uses head-to-head record for draw resolution, Mark would indeed win the title (6-5 head-to-head).  ::)

See! You can be 2nd with Corvette and still win! BTW, I guess sum of times in every track would be the best way to decide the winner.
About my shape: It's true I'm not in my best shape, but it's related to the lack of motivation I was having (Don' know exactly why did this happen) but in lasts few weeks, my will to race is starting to come back (I did quite good with Audi in USL and I have a quite nice replay I just sent for Corvette). So you can't really expect great performances from me, but an improvement bit by bit until I reach my best shape again.
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on September 19, 2008, 08:45:33 PM
Btw... Krys..? 

Should we be worried about Krys....?   ???
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Chulk on September 19, 2008, 11:19:55 PM
I think he's on holidays or something. FTT0108 is not out either, so that's probably the reason.
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Duplode on September 20, 2008, 03:03:36 AM
Should we be worried about Krys....?   ???

For one, I'm starting to get... :-\
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Chulk on September 20, 2008, 06:46:56 AM
I'm starting to get worried too, I expected his 'critics' to my crappy French in my name file... and he hadn't said anything! Not news either in Funny mini movies...
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on September 20, 2008, 08:01:59 AM

Usually Krys advices about his holidays. Moreover, when a FTT race was finished, he never missed to post after more than one day...  By now, we are at the 6th day after the race...
And if his PC was crashed, he anyway could post from the work, from a friend's PC, (or from an Internet cafè just not to make us worried)... I'm starting to think he has a serious problem...  :-\
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Krys TOFF on September 28, 2008, 05:21:03 PM
I'm BACK !!! (finally)

Phew, huge web access problem from home since last 2 weeks. And way too busy at work to come and chat here a few.
I should have tried to come from my job anyway just to say hello but I didn't think that web access issue would be so long. Web is back since yesterday only.

Well, no race will be cancelled, it's just delayed by 2 weeks (so competition for 1st year will end in early 2009 then).

Apart from that, this web access issue made me unable to post my best time at FTT0107 track. Not that it would change a lot anyway, I was way too slow to be competitive.

I'll do website update in the evening, there's too much sun outside at the moment to stay long in front of the computer. ;)
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on September 28, 2008, 07:48:40 PM

Welcome back!  ;)
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Duplode on September 28, 2008, 08:29:20 PM
Yay, welcome back Mr. Toff...  :)
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Duplode on November 03, 2008, 11:30:29 PM
I'll retribute Mark's generosity in explaining me how I lost #8 by showing how he won #7. Analysis in a few hours... ;)
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on November 03, 2008, 11:35:19 PM

But... as you know... I didn't want to focus on your mistakes, only highlighting that you could easily fight for the win (and close the fight for the title...) without that unlucky section...  ;) :)
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Duplode on November 04, 2008, 02:22:23 AM
Worry not, Mark: there was no hint of irony in my last comment, really not :) So, let's see what happened back in September...

And I'm also waiting to see your replay to analyze our races, section by section.  :)

Well, we're two then! One interesting point was that, regardless of who would win, I didn't expect such a small gap, for there are quite a few places where you could win or lose nearly a second by slight details. That probably means there were a lot of overtakings in our race... :) I only wonder who'll publish the analysis first  :D

Why do you often write the same thoughts I did?  :D  Effectively I think that there were a lot of surpasses between us.

It turned out the two of us were... completely wrong! Dividing our laps into five sectors, so as to have the directly linked tricks combined, we see that I had a slight advantage at the first intermediate. Then came the first great divide on the track, the wide 90 deg. blind turn... Mark chose a relatively conservative line, cutting hard through the inside of the corner combo and landing just on the grass to the right of the road on the other side of the hill. I performed the blind jump by a wider trajectory, trying to make the most of the "fake grass" on the hill slopes and then land on the road ahead with a controlled slide. Doing so placed me about 50mph faster going into the cork, an advantage which converted to -1.15s on the whole second sector, and -1.35 overall. Mark would then take off four tenths of that gap gradually through the third sector, thanks mainly to an impeccable and very direct cut through the ramp/hill/chicane/cork combo, which placed him about 5mph (really, 5mph!!) faster than me on the exit of said cork.

Our entrances to the fourth section were somewhat different: both of us had enough speed to land directly atop the hill from the loopcut; however while Mark hit powergear as he landed from the loopcut, I had already hit the loop on PG thanks to a magic carpet... that might have had some influence on our lines through the following combo: while Mark braked very hard to second gear and inserted the car normally into the tunnel, I opted to feather the throttle on landing in order to leave PG and have slightly more control and then went for a more aggressive line towards the roof of the tunnel, as if trying to recover the lost tenths. In the end, both choices were nearly equivalent, Mark's being 0.05s faster in the section.

And then, the final sector... from the moment I finished the track design to my very last shot, I never was sure about what would be the best choice there. Ultimately, making use of the inclined road pieces to land directly on the fast chicane leading to the final straight was the fastest route but, as Mark put it before, it was a lottery. The safer route of following the track and then performing a hard turn in 3rd gear just before the roundabout overpass required clinical precision as well, but at least was more reproducible. Mark went for the latter and did it perfectly; I decided for the former and messed it up... and so I lost more than 1s in the final thirteen seconds, and the race as well. Slight details, slight details... It should be mentioned as well that Krys and AbuRaf were having an exceedingly close battle until midway through the fourth sector - Krys had his race compromised from them on by missing the raceline in a few critical points towards the finish line.

Code: [Select]
Mark Duplode AbuRaf Krys
Sect. Acc Gap Sect. Acc. Gap Sect. Acc. Gap Sect. Acc. Gap
Start 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Int. 1 21,65 21,65 0,2 21,45 21,45 0 22,1 22,1 0,65 22,1 22,1 0,65
Int. 2 19,25 40,9 1,35 18,1 39,55 0 24,95 47,05 7,5 23,4 45,5 5,95
Int. 3 20,95 61,85 0,95 21,35 60,9 0 24,1 71,15 10,25 25,85 71,35 10,45
Int. 4 13,55 75,4 0,9 13,6 74,5 0 17,7 88,85 14,35 23 94,35 19,85
Finish 18,2 93,6 0 19,25 93,75 0,15 21,65 110,5 16,9 29,05 123,4 29,8

Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on November 04, 2008, 12:17:31 PM
I had thought that you sure had made a better line approaching the first hill. But I never thought that, different from we said, you kept that vantage until the last fast chicane...  :o  And you, due to a shorter jump on the last bridge (having a lower speed approaching it) had a further rebound before the downhill, almost succeeding to rescue your gap: if the Finish was 5 seconds later, maybe you would have won...  It has been really a tight battle with line very different fron the start to the end: great race for both!  8)
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Krys TOFF on November 04, 2008, 01:05:02 PM
Interesting to see Duplode and Mark duel, good 1st half for Duplode and good 2nd one for Mark. And a sharp finish, nice. :)
Title: Re: FTT0107
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on November 04, 2008, 04:48:41 PM
Interesting to see Duplode and Mark duel, good 1st half for Duplode and good 2nd one for Mark. And a sharp finish, nice. :)

This is one of the marvelous things in NORH races: dont' worry if you first 20 seconds of races are not so perfect, still push, risking a bit more you had thought, and maybe you will get a winning time...  :)
This is what can't see in RH races...  ;)