A track by Mark L. Rivers. :) Soon!
Brrrr, the usual 'put additional elements next to the road to make the car jump or lose less speed' - not very traditional spirit of Stunts. I don't really like it, that was one of the reasons for me why to leave SDR...
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Quote from: CTG on April 29, 2004, 12:06:25 AM
I hate most of the ZCT tracks. Zak is a good competition manager, moderator, etc. but he's terrible in track designing...
You don't like tracks designed by Zak, you don't like boring tracks (as you defined Z86, but, sure, Zak designed it...), you don't like additional elements next to the road, you don't like...
It seems that the tracks you like more than other ones are USC tracks. Maybe that's the reason because you obtained there the best results of your career... (Oh yes... you won ZakStunts contest last year, but, as I already said in the past, there were not strong regular opponents, so...)
Coming back to Z87, I started tomorrow a new topic with the name of the track, and a short description about the race that drivers (CTG excluded) have to expect... ;)
Then check the tracks I really liked: most of them was designed by Krys Toff and Akoss Poo. :P (usually I don't really like my own tracks because they are almost always designed for my driving style: fast LEFT corners, many other fast elements, some rare planned shortcuts, etc.)
Maybe you have not read carefully what I wrote... I didn't say that "the tracks you like more than other ones are your tracks" but: "the tracks you like more than other ones are USC tracks"... A thin distinction but not so difficult to get...
Quote from: Mark L. Rivers on August 28, 2008, 03:55:55 PM
Maybe you have not read carefully what I wrote... I didn't say that "the tracks you like more than other ones are your tracks" but: "the tracks you like more than other ones are USC tracks"... A thin distinction but not so difficult to get...
I got it but maybe you have heard about some competitions managed by Krys (WRC, IMSA) and Akoss (ACT, winner of two TDC)... :P
Quote from: Mark L. Riversyou won ZakStunts contest last year, but, as I already said in the past, there were not strong regular opponents, so...
Most of all, there was some crazy weird rules invented by Zak and I. Only a pipsqueak with damaged (Inc ?) brain could win Z87. :D :D :D
Quote from: Krys TOFF on August 28, 2008, 04:42:18 PM
Only a pipsqueak with damaged (Inc ?) brain could win Z87. :D :D :D
Or a time traveller... ;D :P
I guess you wanted to say Z78, the one with Audi. Well... I drove the most evident line without any crazy things. If you want to see mad driving lines on that track, watch the lap of L. Rivers.
Quote from: CTGI guess you wanted to say Z78, the one with Audi. Well... I drove the most evident line without any crazy things. If you want to see mad driving lines on that track, watch the lap of L. Rivers.
Ooops, mistyped. I wanted to say ZakStunts 2007 and not Z87. :D
Just to add my two cents on this completely subjective discussion... I think one of my first realizations after starting to race on competitions (in fact, during my very first race at Kalpen) was:
Quote from: Duplode on May 04, 2007, 02:25:28 AM
Shortcuts need not to destroy a track, they can simply recreate it!
From a track designer perspective, that implies the only mandatory role of the closed road path is to trick the penalty system so it is possible to finish the lap. Whether the designer wishes to make a semi-IRC course (like most of my good tracks are, BTW) or replace all of the fast chicanes by sideramp/hairpin combos is a matter of taste and style (that's the one of the reasons I called the discussion subjective).
Anyway, it's a public fact I enjoyed a lot most SDR (and post-SDR) tracks by Mark, so I'm curious already... :)
Quote from: CTG on August 28, 2008, 04:45:07 PM
I guess you wanted to say Z78, the one with Audi. Well... I drove the most evident line without any crazy things. If you want to see mad driving lines on that track, watch the lap of L. Rivers.
No, you guys are still confused, as the crazy Audi track from Krys was Z77 :D Z78 was the multi-choice Jaguar one...
Quote from: Duplode on August 29, 2008, 03:19:41 AM
Quote from: CTG on August 28, 2008, 04:45:07 PM
I guess you wanted to say Z78, the one with Audi. Well... I drove the most evident line without any crazy things. If you want to see mad driving lines on that track, watch the lap of L. Rivers.
No, you guys are still confused, as the crazy Audi track from Krys was Z77 :D Z78 was the multi-choice Jaguar one...
Oh LOL, you are right... :D
For the first time I have the honour to design a track for a ZakStunts race. :)
I did my best to realize a very good track indeed, and I'm quite satisfied about the result I obtained.
What kind of track will it be? Having to choose four adjectives (and turning "Modest Mode" off... ;)), I would say: spectacular, original, funny and sure engaging. I always try to insert in my tracks some unhackneyed tracts and I think I succeeded in it even this time, above all thanks to two dazzling suggested shortcuts. But in ZCT87 the shortcuts have a dual goal. I tried, in fact, to realize a track that can permit a more balanced challenge for a higher number of cars than we have seen in last races, where slow cars with a very high bonus had not rivals. Well, I think that suggested shortcuts I have inserted, really can balance the things, because only the fastest car should be able to avail them... Let's see if the thing works... ;)
About the name, "Stripped", I'm prosecuting to entitle my tracks with the names of my favourite songs ever. And this time the name is suitable indeed, because, gentlemen, the challenge for all of us should be really, more than in the past, choosing the right car to reach the best result. And sure a hypothetical spectator could say...: come on, "let me see you stripped down to the bone", how you are able in it... 8)
PS
Due to a short holiday (1-10 September, Ireland) I won't be able to race until my return. So, when I'll turn on again my PC, I will be really curious to see what it will be happened until there... :)
Don't forget: car bonuses will be renormalized after the current race! So it's an Indy track...
Well, the name of the track... it suggests a victory for Töff. ;D
Wow, Mark! The title sounds like a victory for Cork's Crew. I'm looking forward to going into the trees, back to the lands, hopefully not laying on the grass too much, letting the hours pass, but definitely getting away from the other pipsqueaks, for more than just one day.
It does look promising, Mark... :) If it becomes a race car track indeed maybe I'd be more pleased with IMSA instead of Indy for a change, even if means I'll have trouble to find a good pace... well, we'll see!
Quote from: CTG on August 29, 2008, 06:54:32 PM
Don't forget: car bonuses will be renormalized after the current race! So it's an Indy track...
Nope, the renormalization will not change balance of cars, as all percentages will be lowered in a way so that equivalent laps on different cars remain equivalent after the recalculations.
I'm really looking forward to drive this track!
I left the Cork's Crew training camp in Aarhus, right now I'm in Sweden, tomorrow flying home to Budapest, so you can expect the update as usual (maybe with some hours delay depending on my family)
Good! Today is the big day! I say big day beacuse zct86 finds its end! wheeee!! jajaja
I just checked the track. It will be a very nice month - Stunts free vacation.
Felices vacaciones, Mark...!!!!
I was a bit reticent with the track on my first runs, but I found myself enjoying it a little bit more after each try, so now I securely say it's a pretty good one. It's not even that much reliant on the "evil trackside shortcuts" CTG finds so disturbing... Moreover, with the help of the current set of coefficients, it suits pretty well a large number of cars, a refreshing sight after the last few races.
As a track... well, I don't really like it. But! In this early moment of September, it seems to be a very balanced one for most of the cars. Unfortunately it will turn into a GTO/Acura/(Indy) powergear race at the end...
This is the best Zakstunts track as far back as I can remember.... so many different strategies and unusual track sections. And I wonder what the "hole" is for ???
The hole? To jump there with your Acura from the loop and reach powergear. You have to keep it as long as you finish the lap - this is the recipe for sub-54 (53?) times.
(I had to brake on the hill to avoid crashing the ramp - so it's a very-very weak replay with Acura)
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on September 04, 2008, 07:12:24 PM
This is the best Zakstunts track as far back as I can remember.... so many different strategies and unusual track sections. And I wonder what the "hole" is for ???
No track will beat the legendary ZCT16.
Quote from: Akoss Poo on September 05, 2008, 08:03:17 PM
No track will beat the legendary ZCT16.
Well it was a start of something new for sure, but I guess it wasn't the track but the competitors who made it good.
Quote from: zaqrack on September 05, 2008, 08:55:10 PM
Quote from: Akoss Poo on September 05, 2008, 08:03:17 PM
No track will beat the legendary ZCT16.
Well it was a start of something new for sure, but I guess it wasn't the track but the competitors who made it good.
Sure, my 1st ZCT race. I discovered the website when ZCT15 was active but had no time to race until ZCT16 was realeased.
ZCT16 - Rush Hour, made by Zak in 10 minutes :) Maybe a stroke of genius? It wasn't a bad track. By the way, I don't think we're talking about the same hole.
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on September 06, 2008, 04:19:15 AM
ZCT16 - Rush Hour, made by Zak in 10 minutes :) Maybe a stroke of genius? It wasn't a bad track. By the way, I don't think we're talking about the same hole.
ZCT 16 didn't have a special name, rush hour was a track in 2003.
Quote from: Akoss Poo on November 04, 2002, 12:27:18 PM
Let's see it.
ZCT 10: I haven't tried it.
ZCT 11: I drove this track once. Average track. Mark (0-10): 5.
ZCT 12: Very good slow track, unbelievable shortcuts which were found by me, nice challenge. 6th place. Mark: 8.
ZCT 13: Just a nice fast tracks with some shortcuts with a disgusting icy corner. 4th place. Mark: 6.
ZCT 14: I thought first it's an excellent track but it was too hard for me without cheated replay handling, water at wrong places (7th place): 6.
ZCT 15: Very good track, slow and not too tricky with great stunts element combinations. Awesome 4th place with not all shortcuts were found. Mark: 8.
ZCT 16: Disgusting track with lots of water but very very good battle on it with the Acura. Excellent last section, 6th gear on the banked corner. 4th place. Mark: 5.
ZCT 17: Zak's best track this year. 5th place with a non-found trick. Mark: 9.
ZCT 18: Zak's worst track this year. No result. Mark: 1.
Plus 1: funny track but not much motivation. 9th place. Mark: 6.
Plus 2: bad track with bad car. 4th place. Mark: 2.
Plus 3: bald track but 2nd place. Mark: 6.
So my vote: ZCT 17!!!
:P
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on September 04, 2008, 07:12:24 PM
This is the best Zakstunts track as far back as I can remember.... so many different strategies and unusual track sections.
This is really a very pleasing compliment for me... Thanks! :)
The best ZakStunts track ever... well, it was Oligoways with Melange. And ZCT 14/41. ;D
ZCT14/41 is the biggest classic of course. ZCT59 was really good too, and a close and extremely high-level race. ZCT20 was good too, fun with Indy power gear.
Well, I have to recognize that my track is not so balanced to permit at IMSA cars to be competitive enough... ::) I didn't want to make too much tests so not to be unduly advantaged, and I concentrated my trials almost only to avoid an initial Powergear for Indy... Anyway, let's see...
I'm struggling on this track, no time worthy to be sent so far from me. This is maybe lack of experience... On Monday, I'm going to try the Audi Quattro.
Eight days to the deadline and 4 drivers can still get the 1st LTB:
CTG 192 hours
Ayrton 172
Duplode 130
BJ (current) 21
what a beatiful challenge! 8) :)
Quote from: Mark L. Rivers on September 22, 2008, 12:43:37 PM
Eight days to the deadline and 4 drivers can still get the 1st LTB:
CTG 192 hours
Ayrton 172
Duplode 130
BJ (current) 21
what a beatiful challenge! 8) :)
But Ayrton is under 50 secs... not that beautiful fact.
Are you not going to race on your own track, Mark L.?
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on September 22, 2008, 01:58:08 PM
Are you not going to race on your own track, Mark L.?
He's already there. And Ayrton too. AYR=MLR=ARG(?). It also explains my conspiracy theory about why to make a risky victory with Acura on Z86 - to avoid Acura race on his own track (because Ayrton's "weakness" is Acura powergear). ;D
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on September 22, 2008, 01:58:08 PM
Are you not going to race on your own track, Mark L.?
Actually my best time is what you see on the scoreboard. I could tell you that I don't want to fight for the win on my own track, but the truth is that I'm not motivated enough due to:
1) Cars I would have to use are not cars I like. If I can try to fight with you, Ayrton, CTG, Duplode and others with fast cars and some other ones, sure I can't with GTO and Acura, especially if I have to find a hard Powergear.
2) I'm a bit disappointed about a not very good result regarding what I wanted realize with my track. I had tried to create a higher challenge but I made some mistakes during the design. And this annoys me a bit...
Anyway, I'll try to improve at least a bit. Meanwhile, I'm really interesting looking forward for the final result... ;)
Quote from: CTG on September 22, 2008, 03:33:18 PM
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on September 22, 2008, 01:58:08 PM
Are you not going to race on your own track, Mark L.?
He's already there. And Ayrton too. AYR=MLR=ARG(?). It also explains my conspiracy theory about why to make a risky victory with Acura on Z86 - to avoid Acura race on his own track (because Ayrton's "weakness" is Acura powergear). ;D
You should become a writer! Your plot theories are really great!
Too bad I didn't kept CTG's real face black and white avatar, it would suits fine to replace Mel Gibson's face there (see attached image)
Quote from: Krys TOFF on September 30, 2008, 11:23:30 AM
Too bad I didn't kept CTG's real face black and white avatar, it would suits fine to replace Mel Gibson's face there (see attached image)
With Julia Roberts? She has too big mouth... :D
I hope Ayrton won't race (so hard) in USC... ;D
kidding