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Title: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: zaqrack on October 01, 2009, 09:13:39 AM
The track I probably spent the most time designing and testing.
Your comments are welcome!
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on October 01, 2009, 01:14:44 PM
It's wonderful. I don't know yet how it's balanced relatively to the cars' choice (test only with Indy) but it seems very suitable for this great event. Even Indy won't be the winning car (I'm absolutely sure about it seeing how much Audi's Superbrian with autogear is near to my Indy already strongly pushed) it will be sure an awesome challenge.
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: Duplode on October 04, 2009, 06:14:07 AM
Driven only a little bit, also with Indy only so far, but enough to tell it's a great one. And it looks like it'll provide a nice ride with other cars as well.
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: CTG on October 04, 2009, 06:28:05 PM
Downloaded the track...
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: BonzaiJoe on October 04, 2009, 07:59:31 PM
This seems to be a track for off-roaders. Lots of small shortcuts to be done in non-PG cars (or Power Gear cuts in PG cars?). I think this is good for Duplode, and also for CTG. Mark L. is always strong, but he is strongest in PG and fast cars.

Let's have a look at the list:

Duplode: strong, suitable track, motivated. Favourite to win

Mark L. Rivers: strong, motivated, not fed up with racing, playing without pressure, track/car less suitable. Also a serious bid for victory

Renato Biker: powerful comeback on ZCT99, will want to get revenge vs Duplode. Strong in all cars... It all depends on his motivation.

Bonzai Joe: will try to win, likes the track, historically doesn't do so well in really tough races with many top pipsqueaks

CTG: is very motivation-dependent and also has problems with technical facilities. If he wants to and has time, he can beat anyone. If not, he will finish far from the top

Alan Rotoi: has yet to show that he can be as fast as in the past. But he has done crazy comebacks before, and we know he has the abilities to win

Paradisio: solid performances in the last races. Will probably finish in the top, but not a favourite for track victory

then there is... the Ayrton factor.


Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on October 05, 2009, 09:36:22 AM
Well, you're right about me BJ, sure it's not my favourite track/car combo. A thing that I dislike in races is trying and trying and trying a lot of times in order to find the right bug-jumps that can permit to guess winning paths. I like instead so much quite linear races, with defined shortcuts, where the guide precision is more important. Or races where bug-jumps (that sure need extreme skill but even a dose of luck, above all regard to the available time to race) cannot affect in determinant way the final result. Sure PG races are less affected by bug-jumps, because the speed is usually not increased or decreased remaining more or less the same.
Anyway, my target remains the same I mentioned in the other topic about Z100, that is being in the final TOP 5. Hard job but an exciting job.  ;)

Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: Chulk on October 05, 2009, 06:16:34 PM
Just downloaded the track, going for a warmup lap...
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: Mingva on October 11, 2009, 11:58:23 AM
Couple of days ago I thought my Audi limit will be time around 1:14. But now it's possible to do under 1:13. Adding all my best checkpoints I miss only half second to achieve it.
Now I'm thinking, should I try Skyline hardly or re-drive Audi race ???
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on October 11, 2009, 02:06:23 PM

Interesting question for all drivers, I think...
About me, I realized my best time with the Audi (1.16,xx) only "perfectioning" last 30 seconds of the first replay. Then I switched to the Skyline and until now I have perfectioned last 40 seconds of race of the first replay.
Due to this, I should say that Skyline have some chances more then Audi, but I'm still not sure...  ::) Anyway, I think that other drivers are waiting that the track becomes more and more "tyred", that is they are looking for the current "fight" on the scoreboard in order to understand better which is the right choice...  ;)

Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: Duplode on October 12, 2009, 12:29:38 AM
I have a lot to check as well... since I just have a not so interesting Skyline lap so far I guess that when I try again (which likely won't be as soon as I'd like) I will give Audi a spin.
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: Chulk on October 12, 2009, 05:20:56 AM
I gave 2 quick laps with each car, being Audi's lap sent the fastest but feeling Skyline has more potential... Next time I'll give Skyline some more attention... Hope I have time sometime this week.
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: zaqrack on October 15, 2009, 12:38:21 PM
lets see the current list of ZakStunts race winners. In bold are the pipsqueaks currently participating / confirmed to participate on ZCT100.



Ayrton     22     6     3
Bonzai Joe    12    15    12
Roy Wiegerinck    11    2    0
CTG    10    13    14
Gutix    9    4    3
Alain    8    9    9
Argammon    7    6    3
Duplode    5    7    5
Alan Rotoi    5    7    4
Renato Biker    5    3    3
Mingva    2    1    5
Fdzierva    2    0    0
Akoss Poo    1    9    12
Mark L. Rivers    1    4    7
Chulk    1    4    2
Bismarck    1    1    1
Usrin    1    0    0

11 from 17.
Now that's something I call impressive!
Thank you all, guys. I think 14/17 is feasible by activising some of those who lurk around here. :)
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: al il professore on October 15, 2009, 03:22:52 PM
Some pipsqueaks know how to push the arrow buttons.

ZCT16, ZCT92 and ZCT39.

Do you think you are going to live forever? Take your lives up to the next level, the stunts valhalla.
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: Ayrton on October 20, 2009, 05:38:08 PM
Quote from: al il professore on October 15, 2009, 03:22:52 PM
Some pipsqueaks know how to push the arrow buttons.

ZCT16, ZCT92 and ZCT39.

Do you think you are going to live forever? Take your lives up to the next level, the stunts valhalla.

Agree

Not chance for fast cars  :-[
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on October 21, 2009, 06:01:41 PM

So, having more knowledge about the track, the car(s) to use and the participants, I try to shoot a podium:

1) Ayrton (unreachable when he wants as he showed last year...)
2) Duplode (his wonderful skill matches his own creature called Skyline...)
3) Renato Biker/Bonzai Joe/Alain (random rank, in order of their real motivation...)

Does anyone else feel to hazard a prediction...?  ;)

Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: Duplode on October 22, 2009, 08:53:21 PM
Predicting any kind of order is too difficult this time, I prefer to add my two cents as estimated victory probabilities; accounting for recent form, activity, apparent motivation and what not:

Ayrton - 27%
Mark - 22%
BJ - 19%
Duplode - 11%
Mingva - 8%
Renato - 5%
Alain - 4%
CTG - 2%
Someone else - 2%

Estimated error margin is 5%. It should probably be around 100%, though  :)
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on October 23, 2009, 11:29:17 AM
Quote from: Duplode on October 22, 2009, 08:53:21 PM
Predicting any kind of order is too difficult this time, I prefer to add my two cents as estimated victory probabilities; accounting for recent form, activity, apparent motivation and what not:

Ayrton - 27%
Mark - 22%
BJ - 19%
Duplode - 11%
Mingva - 8%
Renato - 5%
Alain - 4%
CTG - 2%
Someone else - 2%

Estimated error margin is 5%. It should probably be around 100%, though  :)

Really do you put me just behind Ayrton and ahead to all others?
Well, I'm honoured, indeed...

But you have to consider that:

1) Z100 is sure not my favourite track/car combo: no Indy powergear, no fast cars, a lot of bug-jumps...
2) Not keeping in count The Southern Cross Stunts Trophy (TWOOT rules are all another way to drive), in last 9 months I took part only in a real RH race, that is Zolyom (USC), moreover with a car "a bit more" suitable for me: many top drivers have sure a better shape than me.
3) This is really the first time I sit down into a Skyline; sure I'm not the unique, but BJ, you, CTG and others already tried it in previous races.
4) I'm the only driver of your list who's not part of a team, and all know what this means...

So, I think that my quotation should reward a bit more who want to bet about my presence on the podium... ;)

Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: CTG on October 23, 2009, 06:12:31 PM
This car + track combo is not my cup of tea, also missing free time, motivation and skills. My chance to win is about 0.001%.
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: CTG on October 24, 2009, 08:04:27 PM
I won't improve my current time. ;D
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: al il professore on October 24, 2009, 08:38:23 PM
you will never improve your time enough.
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: CTG on October 24, 2009, 08:56:16 PM
Quote from: al il professore on October 24, 2009, 08:38:23 PM
you will never improve your time enough.

Maybe. But you won't win this race.
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: BonzaiJoe on October 25, 2009, 05:07:03 PM
The way I see it now, the chances for the win are as follows:

Ayrton: 90%  (why would he lose now? He has been untouchable, especially on tracks like this one)
Duplode, Alain or Mark L. Rivers: 6,5% (the seasonal leader, the most crazy and persistant old champion and the guy who never disappoints)
Bonzai Joe, CTG, Paradisio, Alan Rotoi or Renato Biker: 3%
other: 0,5% (just for the unexpected return of Gutix or Argammon)

By the way: I hate bridge corners!  :(

But I love hill jumping :)
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: zaqrack on October 26, 2009, 06:12:48 PM
Quote from: zaqrack on October 15, 2009, 12:38:21 PM
lets see the current list of ZakStunts race winners. In bold are the pipsqueaks currently participating / confirmed to participate on ZCT100.



Ayrton     22     6     3
Bonzai Joe    12    15    12
Roy Wiegerinck    11    2    0
CTG    10    13    14
Gutix    9    4    3
Alain    8    9    9
Argammon    7    6    3
Duplode    5    7    5
Alan Rotoi    5    7    4
Renato Biker    5    3    3
Mingva    2    1    5
Fdzierva    2    0    0
Akoss Poo    1    9    12
Mark L. Rivers    1    4    7
Chulk    1    4    2
Bismarck    1    1    1
Usrin    1    0    0


13/17 :)
Akoss, you HAVE to race!
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: Chulk on October 26, 2009, 06:20:48 PM
Wow! A victory would give me 4+ places. And a second place 1+. Maybe I should definitely try to win this one (as if I really had a chance, right?)
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: alanrotoi on October 28, 2009, 09:06:33 AM
Today I convinced my brother (Manowar) to race on zct100. I told him it's everybody racing, you can't miss it! And then he said?

Manowar: Oh yes? Everybody?
Me: Yes
Manowar: Is there Mingva?
Me: Yes
Manowar: KrysToff?
Me: Err no...
Manowar: Argammon?
Me: Err no...
Manowar: LeoRamone?
Me: no!!!! Stop it! It's everybody!

  :D ;D
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: BonzaiJoe on October 28, 2009, 01:00:26 PM
Yeah where is KrysToff anyway!? It's really too bad if he and Akoss don't race. Akoss is still posting on the forum - why? It's a Stunts forum and if you like Stunts, you race on this track.
Good to see Manowar is back :)
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: al il professore on October 31, 2009, 08:26:39 PM
Too bad I only started my engine on the 15th. But I'm too old. Better players are in command on the stunts scene. I played my part because it was an old pipsqueak's dream and long time awaited challenge to win zct100. I wish to thank bonzai joe for reminding us our rendez vous with history and Zak for designing one hundred ZCT monthly tracks.

Anyway, as a retired pipsqueak, I admire the talents of Ayrton, Renato biker, and Ayrton. Stunts racing is probably a south american thing. It's made for latin people. They love to realize impossible things.

Zct 100 gave tremendous advantage to a $*^รน car on an ^*(& track. Only you, pipsqueaks, made it the best race ever.

Krystoff, Leo Ramone, Myron, Satanziege, KHR, JTK, Bismark, Juank23 didn't play with us.

See you again on ZCT 101 and... ZCT 200 in shah allah!
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: zaqrack on October 31, 2009, 08:32:40 PM
you spoke from my heart. Thanks for the comeback, Alain.

Up for ZCT200 - February, 2018, supposedly :)
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: al il professore on October 31, 2009, 08:38:31 PM
The year 2018 is so far away, it triggered a jaw opening reflex. Like most of Ayrton replays.

And his ultimate one, ZCT100!  :o
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: Duplode on October 31, 2009, 11:21:54 PM
Quote from: al il professore on October 31, 2009, 08:26:39 PM
Anyway, as a retired pipsqueak, I admire the talents of Ayrton, Renato biker, and Ayrton. Stunts racing is probably a south american thing. It's made for latin people. They love to realize impossible things.

There is something very curious in that respect when watching the Top 3 replays this time. If you look at the main cuts (cork u/d, bridge, tunnel, etc.) which decided the race you'll see Ayrton's was the less complex one. No ultra-long jump when skipping the bridge corner; no complex slide landing on the tunnel roof. He just took the simpler line and believed it was possible to pull off the 90 degrees air turn directly. And he did pull it off...
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: alanrotoi on October 31, 2009, 11:49:09 PM
Ayrton is the best stunts pipsqueak I ever see. He is the best, he is the beast!
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: Chulk on November 01, 2009, 12:14:12 AM
Damn! I could have been the best non champion if that Cork cut would have come to me! Congrats Ayrton and the podiumers! They showed why they are considered the best right now. And congrats to BJ, the best of the old armada.
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: BonzaiJoe on November 06, 2009, 09:58:01 AM
Thanks...

Here's a different scoreboard:


1.  2008 (2005)

2.  2006

3.  2004

4.  2009

6.  2002

7.  2007

9.  2003

15.  2001


A hint about the strength of the different Stunts eras?
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: zaqrack on November 06, 2009, 10:33:56 AM
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on November 06, 2009, 09:58:01 AM

A hint about the strength of the different Stunts eras?

I smell a flamewar.  ::)
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: Mark L. Rivers on November 06, 2009, 04:50:00 PM
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on November 06, 2009, 09:58:01 AM
A hint about the strength of the different Stunts eras?

Premising that Ayrton is Ayrton, here it is some issues in order to establish if it could be a good hint:

1) re-entering after a long period of inactivity can affects remarkably the performance;
2) the car used was unknown for many drivers, and on a so engaging track this sure counts;
3) until 60 seconds of race, drivers were more near each other and in different positions than we can see on the final scoreboard; from this point of view, the way to approach a single crucial passage maybe couldn't be enough to become a so important hint.

But, anyway, yours is an interesting consideration, and, from other points, there are probably good points for it.


Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: Duplode on November 06, 2009, 11:06:31 PM
Having started my career in April 2007, I don't even know if I belong to any era at all. The Dark Ages, maybe?  :D Thankfully we've progressed to the Renaissance already. The historical issues raised by BJ are indeed too complex to tackle. But one thing is sure: that one crucial passage performed by the Top 3 is pure (excuse me the bad terminology) South American Golden Generation brilliance.
Title: Re: ZCT100 - Operators
Post by: CTG on November 06, 2009, 11:28:08 PM
It has nothing with the real strength. Only the actual level of motivation and Skylinophilia.