Interesting pages, some of them written less than 1 year ago...
http://www.mobygames.com/game/stunts (http://www.mobygames.com/game/stunts) (with original reviews...)
http://www.listal.com/game/stunts- (http://www.listal.com/game/stunts-)
http://www.answers.com/topic/stunts (http://www.answers.com/topic/stunts)
http://free-game-downloads.mosw.com/abandonware/pc/simulations/games_s/stunts.html (http://free-game-downloads.mosw.com/abandonware/pc/simulations/games_s/stunts.html)
http://www.hotud.org/component/content/article/42-sport/21851-Stunts (http://www.hotud.org/component/content/article/42-sport/21851-Stunts)
http://www.oldgames.sk/en/game/stunts/download/3869/ (http://www.oldgames.sk/en/game/stunts/download/3869/)
http://witnessthis.wordpress.com/2008/12/15/stunted/ (http://witnessthis.wordpress.com/2008/12/15/stunted/) (talk about us...;))
Good finds Mark, it's always helpful to monitor the buzz around the Internet. And it's nice to see two reviews were added to hotud.org since I posted the first one a while ago :)
More recent stuff:
- http://www.stuntsbrasil.com.br/ - While this may look very much like any of the former "Stunts Brasil" pages, it was updated last September... on the "Replays" section, there is a very well-presented video gallery.
- http://www.shikadi.net/moddingwiki/Stunts - references the Stunts Wiki.
- http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_messages/1370156/5 - We were linked to from this Dutch forum during a Gran Turismo 5 discussion.
- http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=son_of_the_return_of_the_rock_n_roll_dos&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1. - And finally, a blog entry. Scroll down to the 7th screenshot and read it :D
Two interesting ones:
* http://tankwars.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=offtopic&action=display&num=1071242543 (http://tankwars.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=offtopic&action=display&num=1071242543) - a (sadly aborted) competition in a totally random forum!
* http://www.dosgamesarchive.com/links/ (http://www.dosgamesarchive.com/links/) - has a link to ZakStunts (using the current.hu domain) at the first position of the "Game Fan Sites" list.
Up
* http://www.pixelships.com/adg/ep0001.html (http://www.pixelships.com/adg/ep0001.html) - a cool and very well done video review of Stunts done a few months ago. By the way, questions about Stunts' copyright status (like the one the reviewer brings) are quite common around the Internet
* http://editthis.info/wuw_archive/STUNTS!_Wiki_User_Tracks (http://editthis.info/wuw_archive/STUNTS!_Wiki_User_Tracks) - a completely random but cute Wiki page...
http://www.tm-portal.cz/53-konkurence-tm-2-stunts (http://www.tm-portal.cz/53-konkurence-tm-2-stunts) - A review by a Czech Trackmania fansite written in 2009. Curious how (as far as Google Translate tells me) nobody questioned the usage of a custom car for the showroom screen shot - the ZakStunts package has really become the standard it seems :)
Haha, good job Duplode, you're famous in Czechoslovakia!
http://mog.6f.sk/stunts.html - previous one was form Czech Republic; now one from Slovakia...
http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Cool-Cam.aspx - a very nice tale from a Microprose developer; read it, but above all be sure to skim through the first few pages of comments (http://thedailywtf.com/Comments/The-Cool-Cam.aspx)...
http://www.myabandonware.com/game/stunts-10y - a game profile from a seemingly recent abandonware site, with the old HOTU review and user comments.
http://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Stunts - a small article at a wiki of "PC game fixes". Links to Kalpen and to our Wiki.
http://www.proaxis.com/~settlet/Stunts.html - a surviving page from the Kalpen days. I found it thanks to a link in an YouTube video uploaded by its author - in 2011!
Do somebody remember the stunts community yahoo group? :)
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/stuntscommunity/
Quote from: Duplode on March 04, 2011, 05:39:44 PM
Curious how (as far as Google Translate tells me) nobody questioned the usage of a custom car for the showroom screen shot - the ZakStunts package has really become the standard it seems :)
Indeed; look at this amusing Wikipedia diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stunts_%28video_game%29&diff=557199790&oldid=557159428
lol :)
Sometimes I feel to write the Hungarian wiki article...
Hey! Remember this page? There are some links to stunts pages still working!!!!
http://www.stuntsillusion.com/links.html
I wonder what's up with Neil
http://www.hrej.cz/clanky/dosove-nebe-stunts-4916/ - Long review on a Czech gaming news portal, published this June. Links to ZakStunts. A quote from the closing paragraph:
Quote from: Tomáš Kraj?a @ Hrej.cz (Google-assisted translation)A game which was "social", "open" and "community-based" long before such buzzwords became mandatory equipment.
I made contact with a youtuber of Stunts. Maybe can be a new pipsqueak. But, I lost the link (facepalm)
check your browser history.
The name of citizen is Gee Tee and used a track from JTK on a video.
I wonder what's up with Neil. I had the worst flamewars of my life with him...
Quote from: zaqrack on January 22, 2015, 06:38:53 PM
I wonder what's up with Neil. I had the worst flamewars of my life with him...
Ough, those must had been really wild... ::)
Quote from: Akoss Poo on January 22, 2015, 07:11:01 PM
Quote from: zaqrack on January 22, 2015, 06:38:53 PM
I wonder what's up with Neil. I had the worst flamewars of my life with him...
Ough, those must had been really wild... ::)
It was! I was even banned from his Stunts forum for a while!
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/GoodBadBugs/DrivingGame - Stunts is mentioned as one among several examples. Includes a surprisingly accurate description of powergear - even anti-powergear is mentioned!
Marco's excellent Youtube channel reviewing Stunts. I love the trouble with the car security system :) Check the replay part, very strange, I did not know about this bug.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2zJjD6Zuc8&index=34&list=PLNDspal5giUrWNEb7kQ8PwuHCsl2GSSeB
btw Marco has mad skills when it comes to driving games. If you ever played F1GP2 at Ace level without driving aids you'll understand after watching this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdDi_5Krv-c
Quote from: zaqrack on February 18, 2015, 09:34:26 AM
Marco's excellent Youtube channel reviewing Stunts. I love the trouble with the car security system :) Check the replay part, very strange, I did not know about this bug.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2zJjD6Zuc8&index=34&list=PLNDspal5giUrWNEb7kQ8PwuHCsl2GSSeB
Cool, he has an original 4D Sports Driving disk set. It could be interesting/boring to take a look at the raw data. There have been some incidents (http://www.os2museum.com/wp/careful-with-that-buffer/) where portions of a build machine's RAM have leaked to unused sectors of the master floppies.
I have a boxed Amiga copy with Mindscape v1.2 version. I believe 1.2 was never issued for PC, but it contains several fixed bugs and an overall very different driving experience - any chance you can use it for something if I dump the data somehow?
Quote from: zaqrack on February 18, 2015, 11:58:05 AM
I have a boxed Amiga copy with Mindscape v1.2 version. I believe 1.2 was never issued for PC, but it contains several fixed bugs and an overall very different driving experience - any chance you can use it for something if I dump the data somehow?
Amiga software is usually distributed as ADF files, raw disk images. I've looked at the MS1.2 version floating around on the net, but the unused areas between the sector boundaries were blank. I have no idea if these images were made from the original disks, or if the files had been copied to blank disks first. Finding new Stunts artifacts is probably just wishful thinking on my behalf. :)
Edit: The version I have looked at is pre-cracked, so it's probably not from the original disks.
This is not original either, but I have extracted the contents of the ADF images. The file structure seems quite similar to PC versions, but it seems more stuff is integrated. I wonder if we could port the physics engine part to PC. Probably not.
here is the second image
Quote from: zaqrack on February 18, 2015, 01:39:33 PM
This is not original either, but I have extracted the contents of the ADF images.
Just bought boxed 1.2 on Ebay. Also noticed this set of unboxed BB on 5¼" (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-Vintage-Software-16-Educational-Drawing-Action-Games-/161602763536), but I'll rather wait for another box. They pop up now and then, but they're usually gone by the time I've seen the mail for the automated search.
Quote from: zaqrack on February 18, 2015, 01:39:33 PM
The file structure seems quite similar to PC versions, but it seems more stuff is integrated. I wonder if we could port the physics engine part to PC. Probably not.
Anything is possible, besides finding time to do it. Clvn made some impressive progress on restunts before Christmas, so a port of BB1.1 will be ready any decade now.
Quote from: dstien on February 18, 2015, 02:01:35 PM
Anything is possible, besides finding time to do it. Clvn made some impressive progress on restunts before Christmas, so a port of BB1.1 will be ready any decade now.
:) hope I will still live :)
Quote from: zaqrack on February 18, 2015, 09:54:03 AM
btw Marco has mad skills when it comes to driving games. If you ever played F1GP2 at Ace level without driving aids you'll understand after watching this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdDi_5Krv-c
Awesome - and all that with keyboard controls! I still have an original F1GP2 disk. Must get it working somehow :)
Googling for UnskilledStunts led to two interesting mentions:
- https://cofitaim.wordpress.com/2010/05/12/racing-circuits-and-bloody-arenas-a-personal-history-of-map-making - First post in the series is mostly dedicated to Stunts.
- https://cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/courses/cs181/projects/2010-11/WorseIsBetter/index.php/Growable-is-better.html - Student project from Stanford's CS course. Mentions Stunts as an example of how add-ons and content creation tools can lead to software longevity.
So this community now exists in the academic world as a research object. That's cool.
Wow, it's been a while since I last updated this thread! Mentions of Stunts do keep popping up:
https://dosreloaded.de/forum/index.php/Thread/869-Stunts-Eure-Strecken/?pageNo=1 -- Still-running thread from 2017 in a German forum. One highlight is a pretty Monte Carlo recreation (https://dosreloaded.de/forum/index.php/Thread/869-Stunts-Eure-Strecken/?postID=22511#post22511), featuring the MP4/4.
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/lost-and-forgotten-except-by-us.98735/page-20#post-5717349 -- A hat tip to ZakStunts in a 2018 forum thread.
https://www.giantbomb.com/stunts/3030-15918/ -- dreadnaut told me about this one last year: a Wiki for games, kinda like a modern take on good old GameFAQs. I edited the Stunts article to add a section about the online community; happily, it was approved.
https://www.high-voltage.cz/sortky/bliss-editor-trati-pro-stunts/ -- A post about Bliss on a Czech site. There is a Stunts tag (https://www.high-voltage.cz/stare-hry/stunts/) there, and they even have held a race (https://www.high-voltage.cz/2019/vyzva-stunts-podruhe-tentokrate-o-ceny/) this year! I gotta add it to the Archive!
:o Amazing!
How come so many other people are interested in Stunts and remain isolated from us? We should be permanently exchanging our interests! Anyway, it's great to see that it's not just us. There's plenty of life in Stunts still!
I have to admit I'm utterly surprised about the article on Bliss! I thought my site was only visited by our community, but it looks like some random people do take a look from time to time... frequently enough for one of them to be willing to write an article on what they've found. I reckon it's more likely that they've got to Bliss via stunts.hu and then found the Dimioca link? Who knows?
It's very clear, though, that no other community interested in Stunts is as large as ours. This whole thought makes me feel as if I were working at SETI in the 70s, wondering how empty or full of life the universe is and feeling amazed at every bubble I can hear popping in the aether :)
Hi all,
after some clicking on old links i found a couple of abandoned remake efforts. Most don't even work.
but i found one that had potential, and may still have for research purposes.
It uses the old stunts 1.1 als resource to run. (don't know what, but won't run without)
https://hackage.haskell.org/package/stunts (https://hackage.haskell.org/package/stunts)
Made a package (stunts-win32.rar) with the intended stunts version (was not included)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L2APFvmJO_TaCSiA2dmUCD9Y4IRiPIX7/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L2APFvmJO_TaCSiA2dmUCD9Y4IRiPIX7/view?usp=sharing)
EDIT: ok, after playing it a few times with different cars and tracks i've come to the conclusion that it looks alright (the models and details are just as i would like them).
game play however........
#your game location#..\stunts-win32\stunts.exe" --car=10 --track=DEFAULT.TRK
just go forward (w) and wait.. ;D
Time for a quick update:
https://www.v2.fi/artikkelit/pelit/3541/Retro-Rewind-Stunts-autopelihysteriaa/ -- A very nice Finnish review from 2021.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/21tMTHvRs8sIHxnb40mAhy?si=50cfd8bba4814ba2 -- A 2020 episode about Stunts on cd SPILL, a Norwegian podcast.
https://www.dosgameclub.com/forums/topic/stunts-4d-sports-driving-1990/ -- Stunts being suggested for an episode of a different podcast, in 2021.
https://www.kultboy.com/testbericht-uebersicht/287/ -- Scans of a few reviews from the 90s. There's a link to ZakStunts in the comments.
https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/lets-play-sega-games/2777/29 -- A vintage ZakStunts pipsqueak in the wild :)
Quote from: Duplode on August 03, 2013, 03:35:29 AMhttp://www.proaxis.com/~settlet/Stunts.html - a surviving page from the Kalpen days. I found it thanks to a link in an YouTube video uploaded by its author - in 2011!
After so many years, this page has gone offline. Luckily, the Wayback Machine was able to capture all the track collection zips. (By the way, the similarly long-lived page Daniel posted about a while ago (https://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3937.0) is still going strong!)
Quote from: Daniel3D on June 29, 2020, 12:01:19 PMafter some clicking on old links i found a couple of abandoned remake efforts. Most don't even work.
but i found one that had potential, and may still have for research purposes.
It uses the old stunts 1.1 als resource to run. (don't know what, but won't run without)
https://hackage.haskell.org/package/stunts (https://hackage.haskell.org/package/stunts)
Yup, that's a pretty cool demo indeed. I have borrowed their resource parsing code a couple times :D
Quote from: Duplode on January 08, 2023, 02:29:30 AMQuote from: Daniel3D on June 29, 2020, 12:01:19 PMafter some clicking on old links i found a couple of abandoned remake efforts. Most don't even work.
but i found one that had potential, and may still have for research purposes.
It uses the old stunts 1.1 als resource to run. (don't know what, but won't run without)
https://hackage.haskell.org/package/stunts (https://hackage.haskell.org/package/stunts)
Yup, that's a pretty cool demo indeed. I have borrowed their resource parsing code a couple times :D
So. You understand how it uses the resources?
Quote from: Daniel3D on January 08, 2023, 09:34:00 AMSo. You understand how it uses the resources?
Yup -- by "resource parsing code" I mostly meant this file (https://hackage.haskell.org/package/stunts-0.1.2/src/src/Stunts/Loader.hs), which reads the *.RES, *.3SH, etc. Haskell is my programming language of choice, and so I was lucky to have this at hand back when I needed to write a Melange repainting (https://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?msg=53251) program very quickly.
Quote from: Duplode on January 08, 2023, 11:42:52 AMQuote from: Daniel3D on January 08, 2023, 09:34:00 AMSo. You understand how it uses the resources?
Yup -- by "resource parsing code" I mostly meant this file (https://hackage.haskell.org/package/stunts-0.1.2/src/src/Stunts/Loader.hs), which reads the *.RES, *.3SH, etc. Haskell is my programming language of choice, and so I was lucky to have this at hand back when I needed to write a Melange repainting (https://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?msg=53251) program very quickly.
So.. i just realized..
If Haskell is your programming language of choice,then you could. If you wanted to and had the time. Transform it into an drivable stunts alternatieve.
https://www.videospielgeschichten.de/ausgekramt-stunts/ -- Lovely review from 2021. In fact, from what I can glean with Google Translate, the site as a whole looks interesting. (It's a collective blog about gaming with something of a literary slant.)
https://www.stayforever.de/2021/10/stunts-sf-115/ -- One more podcast episode, this time in German, from 2021.
https://www.goodolddays.net/game/id%2C232/Stunts.html -- This one had already been unearthed by Daniel (https://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?msg=80854). I'd highlight how at some point there was a soundtrack remix available there, but unfortunately I can't find it anywhere now.
I've found myself on the Stunts page on ModdingWiki (https://moddingwiki.shikadi.net/wiki/Stunts), first mentioned in 2010 (https://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?msg=44774).
Maybe it needs some more details about modding discoveries, we've gone so far ;D
I spotted Old'aVista (https://oldavista.com/) and of course I had to search for Stunts. I found this archived 1999 page for a Stunts webring
- www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/2536/joinring.htm (https://web.archive.org/web/19990117002452/http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/2536/joinring.htm)
At the bottom there's a list of related newsletters, and links to the ring's websites: Lukas' and Kalpen's are there of course, before moving to its own domain! Quite a few I had not seen before :o
Indeed! Following those links, here's an announced competition I don't think I had seen elsewhere -- perhaps because it never actually happened. Cool logo though :) https://web.archive.org/web/20001002040556/http://www.angelfire.com:80/on/Swirl/index.html
Quite interesting.
He has an installer for stunts (https://web.archive.org/web/20001002040556/http://prozac.cwru.edu/stunts/programs/stprog.exe). Stprog.exe and a track pack (https://web.archive.org/web/20001002040556/http://www.angelfire.com/on/Swirl/images/Tracks.zip).
[dreadnaut] replaced large attachments with links
https://nicolaszanotti.com/stunts/ -- Nick's Stunts Page, lovingly preserved from the Geocities era to the present day by another Nick -- or is it the same one?
https://www.grospixels.com/site/stunts.php -- Nice recent (December 2023!) French review. Links to us!
All these should be in an article in the Wiki... and maybe we should copy them and protect them somewhere
Quote from: Cas on January 31, 2024, 05:50:46 PMAll these should be in an article in the Wiki... and maybe we should copy them and protect them somewhere
Added to the Web Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20240131181417/https://nicolaszanotti.com/stunts/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20240131181417/https://nicolaszanotti.com/stunts/)
Nicolas Zanotti is swiss. It's explains the italian name and the german version.