Soon
S O O N ! ! !
let me guess: 10000 posts and final retirement
Quote from: zaqrack on December 28, 2010, 02:33:59 PM
let me guess: 10000 posts and final retirement
Nope. And not an infinite BÖFF!!!
Anyway that would just be a BÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÔÖÖÖÖÖ................
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on December 28, 2010, 04:20:31 PM
Anyway that would just be a BÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÔÖÖÖÖÖ................
That's a really important theoretical question!
Quote from: CTG on December 28, 2010, 04:37:23 PM
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on December 28, 2010, 04:20:31 PM
Anyway that would just be a BÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÔÖÖÖÖÖ................
That's a really important theoretical question!
Limits... those mathematical subtleties confuse me. Maybe we should consult Renato for an opinion?
Quote from: Duplode on December 29, 2010, 12:59:24 AM
Quote from: CTG on December 28, 2010, 04:37:23 PM
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on December 28, 2010, 04:20:31 PM
Anyway that would just be a BÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÔÖÖÖÖÖ................
That's a really important theoretical question!
Limits... those mathematical subtleties confuse me. Maybe we should consult Renato for an opinion?
Do it. In mathematical chat topic, please... :D
I have to announce something really important:
- 10000TH POST!!!
- FINAL RETIREMENT!!!
- BÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖ... !!!
But... back to reality, I have to announce that I don't want to announce anything. The only important thing I could say is probably a well-known one (already): I have a ghost... called...
D...
...as Fass!!! ;D
Cheers for 2011!!!
Congratulations on 10000 posts!
Now, only 89993 left before 100K :)
haha "final retirement" in tetris online!!
Quote from: CTG on December 30, 2010, 02:49:56 AM
I have to announce something really important:
- 10000TH POST!!!
- FINAL RETIREMENT!!!
- BÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖ... !!!
But... back to reality, I have to announce that I don't want to announce anything. The only important thing I could say is probably a well-known one (already): I have a ghost... called...
Das Fass!!! ;D
Cheers for 2011!!!
Haha, I beat you!
Quote from: Overdrijf on December 31, 2010, 06:35:43 PM
Quote from: CTG on December 30, 2010, 02:49:56 AM
I have to announce something really important:
- 10000TH POST!!!
- FINAL RETIREMENT!!!
- BÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖ... !!!
But... back to reality, I have to announce that I don't want to announce anything. The only important thing I could say is probably a well-known one (already): I have a ghost... called...
Das Fass!!! ;D
Cheers for 2011!!!
Haha, I beat you!
Nope, only Das Fass! :P
The real announcement, probably not an unexpected one:
Silver Spirit is fake: I am CTG, CTG is CTG, CTG too. Please forget us, especially our "master". UnskilledStunts 2003-2008 was just a bizarre muppet show of a schizophrenic dumbass...
Account deleted.
Only Mohammad nick is left, I forgot the password. Goodbye!
I initially thought that the silence was the best reply. No words for a such person.
But then, I started to remember to all the times he lied and how he was false, double-faced in a very thin mode. For example when he (with the CTG' hat) privately speaking against "CTG" trying to convince me to participate at the last race of USC 2007/2008 (Zahony) after I abandoned USC when I was first before to start the last track (championship then won by Dottore). Happy to have repeated to "CTG" the same things I had said him.
I always thought that he was "Dottore" (and I even argued privately about this thing with someone) but I didn't think about a so large deception. So all the worst thoughts I had expressed about him (for example here http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=2068.msg34616#msg34616 (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=2068.msg34616#msg34616)) were right. Better, they were not bad enough.
Therefore I started to think that the silence would be almost like a gift for him, after all.
Let me say that this is really a pathetic end of a pathetic person. I hope he will soon deleted even from the memory of all of us.
I was far away from the community to know about all of it. I just would like to know more about you Mark or race against you.
I won`t comment much on the CTG-Dottore-CTG topic - I had my reasons staying away from USC, and feel really sorry about all the pipsqueaks who spent countless hours racing against ghosts. And I also feel sorry for CTG, who built an empire of shadows, and I cannot even imagine, what could have he achieved focusing his time and energy on something constructive.
Anyway, in the past months I have felt what probably many of you did - the community slowing down and dying step by step. After all, its a 20 year old game with more than 10+ years online racing history - it would not be a supirse if people just get bored of it.
But somehow now I feel a strange sense of hope and rebirth. Stunts racing will soon evolve into something different than before. Something more like a chess club in the park kept alive and fun by a few old friends - and a completely new generation (a revival group racing for glory and battle) -but not much connection between the two. In fact, maybe it would be better to let a new generation evolve from a fresh start, and not tumbling in the steps of oldies with 10 years advance experience.
I hope my feelings do not deceive me. Anyway, you have all a place in my heart, my youth and my life, and that wont change.
On this whole debacle, I will only put forward the point that I am entirely opposed to any kind of wholesale "cleansing" of historical records (CTG himself made that suggestion on the newsboard), although punctual redactions may be in order (USC 07-08 comes to mind). That for two reasons. First, because once history unfolds in a community like this one it acquires a certain character of reality that becomes hard to deny, or to distinguish from the pure fabrications that were (partially?) responsible for setting it into movement. And second, if even someone like me is finding it rather troublesome to draw a line in the sand, certainly it must be far tougher for those of you who, for instance, actually met Varga Peter.
(Hope this hasn't come out as too bizarre a way to expose my thoughts; it's just that I have a certain inclination to think in terms of our collective history)
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And folks: read closely the last paragraph of Zak's post. Right now I wish I had a bit more time to make more of a difference, but... I'll try and keep my hopes high :)
A community is based on precise and irremovable pilasters: estimate, respect, trust.
Peter Varga was a fast Stunts driver. Stop here. No estimate for the others, except for some friends or,deceptively, in order to grab them to his sad self-incensing site. No respect for the others, in words and actions. About the trust I have not to say a word.
He deserves all our blame, because he USED this community to exalt himself, trampling all the members if they tried to shade his light. He deserves all our blame because he lied abusing enormously about our trust. He deserves all our blame because his behavior is not the result of a wicked moment: he has perseverate for years in USING others for his own egoistical intent.
Just think this one: if he will return one day saying " I'm back, I'm a new person, please reintegrate me in this community", who will welcome him trusting in his words? More, when we will see in the future a newbie that, even gradually, will climb the scoreboard with amazing results, who will be really sure he won't be Peter Varga under a new impostrously hat? Do you understand the damage he did in this community? Can really anyone underestimate the effect of his devastating actions? Can really anyone even only thinking to rehabilitate a such callous liar?
In every sport, for the highest illicitness the penalty is called "banishment". Often it's permanent, for life. Thinking to the voluntary and over-reiterated conduct full of insults, derisions, deceptions, lies perpetrated for years, and thinking to the damages he did at the community, I think that a permanent banishment from Stunts is what he deserves. And, please, no commiseration in order to encourage a reintegration. It would be really misplaced.
About CTG's results, I think it's good they remain. The name "CTG" will become a natural epigraph for all the future Stunts generations, a synonymous of "cheater", "liar", or "the driver who abused the trust of Stunts community members for years, risking to inflict a mortal shot to this pure and noble little world".
Finally, for the man Peter Varga I sincerly hope he will find in the future his right place in the real world, thinking to his errors and trying not to repeat them in order to avoid to rest alone as maybe he's now. But, about Stunts, there's not place anymore here for him.
My thought is that the hard job to keep alive this community also pass through adopting this firm and clear position.
Maybe I just got too used to the ghosts, spam and pipsqueak abuse throughout the years.
I must admit, I fully agree with Mark`s thoughts.
Arriving back from my Debrecen trip, I'm feeling an urge to post here.
The long awaited announcement has finally been written by 'Cax The God' (CTG).
First of all, I contemn all such kind of multiple registrations in any kind of online racing games and internet communities. I can hardly imagine how one would have the idea of doing so, since fortunately I have only one but strong character.
There is one thing you should know: I knew about Dottore's and CTG' being ghosts since August 2006. A very strange situation (unrelated to Stunts) forced CTG to admit this to me. Since then, I had several reasons not to tell the community the whole thing, for example a.) I just simply did not care at all. It was CTG's matter, I did not want to deal with it or intervene. b.) Since I wasn't an active driver that time (and seldom was I by today as well), I wasn't affected. (Only my private life was affected a bit, CTG went to know some new information about me which wouldn't have been known by him otherwise, since until August 2006, 'Dottore' and me was chatting on msn.) c.) Though it was never fixed by us, when I returned to race occassionally, both CTG and Dottore did not overtake me together on any tracks. d.) I still insist on my opinion, it was only one of the ghost factories on the scoreboard.
Now, this factory is dead. Maybe it's only an impossible daydream, but I hope others will follow to do the admittance if there are. Just an innocent remark, but according to human psychology, those who are saying the hardest words on CTG are potential ghost creators. Many many people tend to shout the loudest on men having the same kind of bad features or commiting the same kind of mistakes.
And there is a way not to be affected by the ghost creators. You have the chance to beat the ghosts all. And in this case, you need not to care about how many ghosts are on the scoreboard. I was racing against CTG's ghost factory on an other online site. And I managed to beat him and his whole ghost factory there. So if you really mind that there are ghosts on the scoreboard, you have the possibility to solve the situation: beat the ghosts all. And for the community? It wasn't killed or damaged by CTG. The community was and is perishing itself.
I'm also sceptic about the reborn of the community. Some years ago, the pipsqueaks were much more communicative. They were commenting on the forum about the races, attended the chatroom each evening, the logs were also saved. There were live races. There were international Stunts meetings. But with this kind of pipsqueaks today we have, who are having only 10-20 posts per month (accumulated summary for all of the pipsqueaks), who rather just sit in front of the monitor, pushing the buttons without saying boo to the other, the case is very different... oh, let me just remember... the championship was much more exciting when we knew each other, talked to each other all night, commenting on each other's times and replays, there were also online results announcement by Zak... I seriously think that there's absolutely no possibility to resurrect the community to the 2002-05 level. The current generation are not as social and enthusiastic as we were.
CTG, by having a multiple personality here, accidentally rather kept the community from falling into pieces and dying. On some tracks (even at the most popular competitions), how many pipsqueaks would have been there without CTG? Let alone the forum and the number of the posts there. So when we/you are trying to rebuild the community, a very active person (and his other characters) will be missing. With this, we/you will really face a hard time to do so.
CTG's announcement and decision do not affect my registration and activity here. You all, have a nice evening.
Quote from: Akoss Poo on June 13, 2011, 08:06:08 PM
Just an innocent remark, but according to human psychology, those who are saying the hardest words on CTG are potential ghost creators. Many many people tend to shout the loudest on men having the same kind of bad features or commiting the same kind of mistakes.
I don't know if we have already talk in the past, Akoss, anyway I start to do it with the maximum respect due to your seniority in this community. Even if reading your posts in last years made me sure we are persons quite different, I think that a sane dialogue can be, at least about some arguments. And having in mind this one, I have to say that I'm only partially agree with your thoughts quoted above.
I appreciate the famous aphorism that says that the defects a man can't bear in the others are those he has in itself. But we are talking about a particular matter. We are talking about the trust. As I said privately to another member of this community, when you lose the trust by others for a single your deceptive act, you could chase it for a long time before you re-catch it. But if you abuse of the trust of your friends for years, when the thing comes up, maybe you can't re-catch it for many, many years. Maybe never. That's the nude truth about the trust.
And I'm absolutely sure that if a man appreciate the trust, he simply can't desire to become a callous liar decepting the others.
Quote from: Akoss Poo on June 13, 2011, 08:06:08 PM
And for the community? It wasn't killed or damaged by CTG. The community was and is perishing itself.
I'm also sceptic about the reborn of the community. Some years ago, the pipsqueaks were much more communicative. They were commenting on the forum about the races, attended the chatroom each evening, the logs were also saved. There were live races. There were international Stunts meetings. But with this kind of pipsqueaks today we have, who are having only 10-20 posts per month (accumulated summary for all of the pipsqueaks), who rather just sit in front of the monitor, pushing the buttons without saying boo to the other, the case is very different... oh, let me just remember... the championship was much more exciting when we knew each other, talked to each other all night, commenting on each other's times and replays, there were also online results announcement by Zak... I seriously think that there's absolutely no possibility to resurrect the community to the 2002-05 level. The current generation are not as social and enthusiastic as we were.
Effectively, I didn't say that Peter Varga killed the Stunts community. I said only he risked to inflict a mortal shot to it.
I'm quite agree with you that the main cause of the slow decline is the poor comments about the races, the replays, the times. In a topic I started (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=2443.0 (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=2443.0)), never commented even if it has seen 220 times, I said more or less the same. I said:
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Too much rarely drivers express their impressions about the track (for example about its crucial passages) and the races (for example their feelings about the challenge in act or about their thoughts about the final results).
It's true, the members of this community, like any other community, talk about a quite large number of topics, but I think that the comments about the races are too poor. Everyone has logically different interests and sure there's the pleasure (someone more, someone a bit less) to talk about that. But, I mean, we are here because we are Stunts [r]acers. It's the passion towars the game and the races that lead us to join in this community. So I think that everyone should focus a bit more on the races, not to let that passing weeks before public own thought about a track or a race. Otherwise the members of this community will live only expecting special events (as ZCT100) or mainly replying when "spammers" write.
Real sports lives on comments, reactions, dazedness watching amazing challenge and fantastic results. The passion is supplied by that. Since we are mainly and fundamentally [r]acers, the thing should be the same things even for us and our little world.
It's strange these args come from a retired or, maybe better, an "occasional" driver as I am. But that's my thought. I only hope that my passion, so faced by lack of time, won't be higher than the passion of regular drivers.
When the passion decreases, it could be really dangerous because keeping high the desire to race becomes very difficult, with logical consequences even on other community's activities..."
I continue to think the same thing.
But I equally convinced that a community is based on the trust. And what Peter Varga did can really have a devastating effect, because what he did will lead everyone to watch the others, above all the future newbies, with a big caution, with a deleterious suspect. This is the big damage Peter Varga did at this community. And there's no way to repair it.
Akoss raised some important issues here. No matter how much we wish to turn the page, some soul-searching is unavoidable if we intend to strengthen the community (or, if you find my tone preposterous, it is equally true that I still am somewhat unsettled by the recent events).
Quote from: Akoss Poo on June 13, 2011, 08:06:08 PM
And there is a way not to be affected by the ghost creators. You have the chance to beat the ghosts all. And in this case, you need not to care about how many ghosts are on the scoreboard. I was racing against CTG's ghost factory on an other online site. And I managed to beat him and his whole ghost factory there. So if you really mind that there are ghosts on the scoreboard, you have the possibility to solve the situation: beat the ghosts all. And for the community? It wasn't killed or damaged by CTG. The community was and is perishing itself.
There is some truth in that evaluation - but only to the extent it applies to numbers on a scoreboard. But when the ghosts stop being mere names attached to a replay, acquire fake personalities and start to interact with pipsqueaks, we have a real threat to community spirit. Case in point: the incidents during the final races of USC 07-08 (for details, review Mark's first post here).
Quote from: Akoss Poo on June 13, 2011, 08:06:08 PM
I'm also sceptic about the reborn of the community. Some years ago, the pipsqueaks were much more communicative. They were commenting on the forum about the races, attended the chatroom each evening, the logs were also saved. There were live races. There were international Stunts meetings. But with this kind of pipsqueaks today we have, who are having only 10-20 posts per month (accumulated summary for all of the pipsqueaks), who rather just sit in front of the monitor, pushing the buttons without saying boo to the other, the case is very different... oh, let me just remember... the championship was much more exciting when we knew each other, talked to each other all night, commenting on each other's times and replays, there were also online results announcement by Zak... I seriously think that there's absolutely no possibility to resurrect the community to the 2002-05 level. The current generation are not as social and enthusiastic as we were.
The observations are true, and the "not as social" bit certainly applies to myself too. The situation, however, is more complex than just a matter of just pushing buttons without chatting. For instance, rather than saying that later generations are too silent, I would argue that it was the Golden Generation which was absolutely exceptional in terms of enthusiasm and liveliness - so much that later pipsqueaks were able to immerse themselves in the community without much "effort" at socializing. In fact, there is a strong case for saying that, strictly speaking, after the Golden Generation there were no other generations at all.
Quote from: Akoss Poo on June 13, 2011, 08:06:08 PM
CTG, by having a multiple personality here, accidentally rather kept the community from falling into pieces and dying. On some tracks (even at the most popular competitions), how many pipsqueaks would have been there without CTG? Let alone the forum and the number of the posts there. So when we/you are trying to rebuild the community, a very active person (and his other characters) will be missing. With this, we/you will really face a hard time to do so.
That is true, without qualifications - no matter how hard it may be for us to take it. Certainly the disappearance of a single member does not present an insurmountable barrier, but the rest of us will need to raise our involvements somewhat to fill in the void (of course, it could be argued that such a need existed much before the scandal, but the point still holds).
Quote from: Duplode on June 13, 2011, 10:55:53 PM
Quote from: Akoss Poo on June 13, 2011, 08:06:08 PM
I'm also sceptic about the reborn of the community. Some years ago, the pipsqueaks were much more communicative. They were commenting on the forum about the races, attended the chatroom each evening, the logs were also saved. There were live races. There were international Stunts meetings. But with this kind of pipsqueaks today we have, who are having only 10-20 posts per month (accumulated summary for all of the pipsqueaks), who rather just sit in front of the monitor, pushing the buttons without saying boo to the other, the case is very different... oh, let me just remember... the championship was much more exciting when we knew each other, talked to each other all night, commenting on each other's times and replays, there were also online results announcement by Zak... I seriously think that there's absolutely no possibility to resurrect the community to the 2002-05 level. The current generation are not as social and enthusiastic as we were.
The observations are true, and the "not as social" bit certainly applies to myself too. The situation, however, is more complex than just a matter of just pushing buttons without chatting. For instance, rather than saying that later generations are too silent, I would argue that it was the Golden Generation which was absolutely exceptional in terms of enthusiasm and liveliness - so much that later pipsqueaks were able to immerse themselves in the community without much "effort" at socializing. In fact, there is a strong case for saying that, strictly speaking, after the Golden Generation there were no other generations at all.
Lets not forget the change in circumstances and the surrounding world.
First of all: we have to admit it, Stunts is old. Those who still play with this game can be defined quite closely in a given age bracket - with some refreshing exceptions, like Aburaf, and also relatives/children of other pipsqueaks. This was discussed several times earlier, but it will always put a limit on the available and interested pipsqueaks.
Second:If 10 very good friends go together on a 10 day trip, they can keep talking and discussing with eachother continuously. If they extend the trip to 10 weeks, I am sure sometimes they are out of things to say/discuss. Now, here we are talkin about 10 YEARS. OF course discussions can be kept alive by external impacts - namely others joining the community from outside, and introducing new points and views through their personalities - but we did not have this impact in the past years.
Third:I would also say the existence of social networks on the web have also a very huge negative effect on the community. People discuss their personal and daily matters on these sites, and a few take it over to a different forum. About chatrooms: I don`t think I have joined any chatroom in the past 5 years. I keep contact with my friends on Facebook/Tumblr/Skype/etc, and have no interest in meeting new persons online. Times and habits change.
Fourth: I would be very sad if the community would be resurrected to the 2002-2005 level. That was a magical period of my life and I want to keep it in my memory as such a unique and wonderful era. Some of the friendships and influences I received through the Stunts community during those times have changed my life forever. Nothing like that could or should be repeated again - for me, because it would make the magic disappear. This is in line with what Duplode has replied. It was exceptional, and one of its kind.
Fifth: Stunts meetings. This relates to point one. Earlier the main reasons not to attend a WSM were financial. Now we have a blocking issue much harder to overcome and solve: time.
Sixth: The previous point also applies on site management. I should not be the one leading the main competition of the Stunts community. I did it for 10 years and I am frankly a bit tired to do so. Change needs to happen to secure the required progress - see Microsoft`s case for example, who are currently on the verge of a decline due to their own size and importance. I have very good and interesting (and motivating!) plans what to turn ZakStunts into for the next years, but for that to happen, first I need to see a proper candidate for taking over the "duty" of ZakStunts. I just can`t see the candidate yet.
I was and am aware of the fact, that (for me at least) ZCT100 was the peak of ZakStunts, the point where it should have been stopped, to prevent a decline into boredom. I was strongly considering this option back then. But I decided to keep going forward, for the sake of community, not being able to see the successor of ZakStunts. Maybe I made the wrong choice, and should have stepped back to leave more place for others. I don`t know, only time can tell. Currently I feel, that for the sake of community I need to go on, even if I only operate on the very minimum level.
And last, but not least: We should be more approachable. It is always easier to join and actively take part in a young and forming community. If a community has its history and long-time habits, its harder for external parties to get involved. We have a legacy of 10 years now, even the latest active generation has been with us since 4 years already. This includes friendships, history, but also tricks and tips required to become a successful pipsqueak. This must be very scary for newbies, requiring huge efforts to integrate and join our community - efforts which most of them are not committed to take. I have tried several methods in the past years to reduce this stress factor for newbies, but it it not easy.
Hola, voy ha intentar dar mi punto de vista como novato acerca el presente y futuro de la comunidad stunts.
Como bien habéis dicho stunts ya tiene 20 años y la generación que jugo a stunts empieza a tener responsabilidades como trabajo, hijos y poco tiempo.
Esto puede significar que tenga menos tiempo para escribir en un foro o preparar una competición stunts.
Los foros requieren tiempo, igual que el chat. Verdad que la mi generación ya no va tanto al bar con los colegas? Creo que esta es la principal causa.
Que ofrece la comunidad y como podemos potenciar la participación?
Ofrece información precisa sobre stunts gracias a la wiki y el foro. Pero esta información es estática y no genera mucha participación
El foro y el chat son los actuales puntales para la participación pero requiere de tiempo...
facebook no es directamente un enemigo si no una manera distinta de crear grupos sociales y comunicarse, yo creo que integrar facebook en la comunidad seria un acierto, ya que seria la entrada a nuevos fans.
El chat, nunca he escrito nada... donde esta? quien hay? Es el AJAX chat donde nunca he visto a nadie? o es el foro? No tomen estas preguntas de manera destructiva sino constructiva.
Las competiciones! eso si que aporta participación, creo que deberíamos potenciar que la gente se apunte a las competiciones de manera facil y que no requiera de mucho tiempo.
Que más aporta novedades, pues a mi entender una de las ventajas principales de stunts, las pistas y los coches.
No echéis la culpa a los novatos, ya que seguimos siendo los mismos que jugamos hace 15 o 20 años a stunts pero con menos tiempo, la comunidad se tiene que adaptar a esta realidad y apostar por la participación vía competiciones y mensajes cortos tipo facebook.
Como hacerlo? Creando un nuevo portal Stunts mas directo y con mas contacto con las redes sociales existentes, con un buen repositorio de pistas y altas en competiciones! Y más potenciación a la participación, banners y dejar al usuario todo preparado para competir en 2 minutos!
Un sueño... quizá pero creo que esta es el camino a seguir.
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Hello, I was trying to give my point of view as a rookie on the present and future of the community stunts.
As we have said 20 year-old stunts and stunts generation juice to start having work responsibilities, children and little time.
This may mean you have less time to write to a forum or make a racing stunts.
The forums require time, like chat. True that my generation is not so much the bar with colleagues? I think this is the main cause.
It offers the community and how we can enhance participation?
Provides accurate information about stunts through the wiki and forum. But this information is static and does not generate much participation
The forum and chat are the current mainstays for participation takes time but ...
facebook is not a direct enemy if in a different way of creating social groups and communicate, I think facebook community integration would be a success, as it would be the entry of new fans.
The chat, I've never written anything ... where is it? who is? AJAX is the chat I've never seen anyone? or is the forum? Do not take these questions in a destructive but constructive.
Competitions! So if that participation brings, I think we should empower people to sign up for competitions so easy and does not require much time.
Brings more news, because in my opinion one of the main advantages of stunts, tracks and cars.
Do not regret the blame to the novices, and we remain the same play 15 or 20 years stunts but with less time, the community has to adapt to this reality and focus on participation via competitions and facebook short messages.
How? Creating a new portal Stunts more direct and more contact with existing social networks, with a good repository of tracks and high in competitions! And more empowerment to participation, user banners and leave everything ready to compete in 2 minutes!
A dream ... maybe but I think this is the way forward.
Quote from: zaqrack on June 14, 2011, 02:46:19 AM
I would also say the existence of social networks on the web have also a very huge negative effect on the community. People discuss their personal and daily matters on these sites, and a few take it over to a different forum. About chatrooms: I don`t think I have joined any chatroom in the past 5 years. I keep contact with my friends on Facebook/Tumblr/Skype/etc, and have no interest in meeting new persons online. Times and habits change.
So we've got to move to Facebook or anything else. Then we have to transfer all the knowledge from the forum to the Stunts Wiki. BUT: If there is a spammer, like here (who actually made me not write as much as I probably could, but that's my problem), then the Facebook messages will be too much. O.k., one could probably ignore posts...
Quote from: zaqrack on June 14, 2011, 02:46:19 AM
Fourth: I would be very sad if the community would be resurrected to the 2002-2005 level.
Definitely! There already was a community when I came to the web Stunts races in 1998. At that time it was just a mailing list but there were many famous pipsqueaks from the 90s on it. 8)
Quote from: zaqrack on June 14, 2011, 02:46:19 AM
Stunts meetings. (...) Now we have a blocking issue much harder to overcome and solve: time.
When I quit work I'll organize the next meeting (approx. in 37 years, it looks like I have to work until I'm 67 in Germany).
Quote from: zaqrack on June 14, 2011, 02:46:19 AM
And last, but not least: We should be more approachable.
Ja. This may be easier in a Facebook environment, I guess.
BTW, I just got an e-mail from a former pipsqueak called Geovani a.k.a. Inavoeg who asked me for still active Stunts contests! :) Start your engines, gentlemen!
To Mark: I also can't remember whether we talked before or not. But thanks for the comment, I accept your opinion, though mine is not too close to it.
First, I know that anything other can trigger such a harsh opinion on CTG, not only being a man with the same kind of bad qualities. That's why I only mentioned possible ghost factories. I did not want to pick up anybody without having a proof.
Maybe those who came to this site after January 2005 (when I announced my first and practically the real retirement as a serious pipsqueak) don't know that earlier I was a big ghost disinfector, who, maybe after having some very bad experiences on him (me), saw a ghost in anybody possible, and protested against them. Somehow this couldn't be removed from me later. New pipsqueaks coming with surprisingly fast improvement, fast learning of tricks (it took years for some of the top drivers too) and fast acquirement of our jargon (I remember shyly asking some of it at the chatroom), inherited features of a recently disappeared top driver... that kept me being somehow mistrustful. Now I don't consider having enemies here like in the past (like for example the old Team Orion), but nothing made me convinced about everything going clear here.
Partly because on other online game sites, it's the same. Multiple registrators (like CTG), hackers kill our game each time, wherever you find a popular place to play something. I accepted that it's part of the game. That's why I can't understand your such hostile attitude. It is not something unusual on the net what happened now here. Me, lacking deep informatics skills, had to make this settlement to enjoy staying here at least a little bit. I always remained a natural competitior everywhere, and still, I was and am competitive. So, if we want to have a 100% fair competition, we have to gather somewhere in a room to play there, even if it's Stunts or other game. This is the only place when trustfulness are guaranteed.
I was contemplating on the whole, and I tried to decide to which extent was this whole something fun, a game or just a strange constraint for CTG. We know that CTG is a person who is somewhere between a genius and an insane. And it's hard to remember seeing CTG happy to do this with us/you. This also puts the situation in an other point of view, so I think you shouldn't be that hard on CTG.
And Dottore wasn't a racing character in the past years. Even if he had killed the community (which is your opinion), we/you would have had about three years to bounce back from the mentioned USC case. And nothing happened in order to do so, the community was perishing even with CTG's ghosts not racing.
To the others, first it was relieving to read Duplode's words. The percentage of his partial agreement was something I expected from nobody here.
It was strange to read Zak's words, because his post did not really correspond with his previous post. After reading his feeling and hope to make this community reborn, I wouldn't have expected to read such excuse-like statements. When I talked about resurrection, I was thinking about unfolding the good old atmosphere, the enthusiasm which were the strongest between 2002 and 2005. I think the extent of participation mainly depends on the willpower. Time, work... well, Krys Toff attented the Danish international meeting with having a job, a wife and three children. Still, we could see him and we could party with him. Why? Because he really wanted to come. That's the real case, in my opinion. I also became older. Me, being in his (my) late twenties, became a worker, a commuter, if everything goes fine, I'll have my own flat in some weeks. But if an atmosphere had evolved in 2002-05 evolved again, I would still be an active member in the whole.
And the two things a.) saying that hard words on CTG because of killing the community b.) no will to reunite live, only a very little communication, not really dealing with the fate of community... how they can exist together? With this, 'he' just 'killed' a thing which does not really interest or inspire you.
The chatroom thing, it is partly true. Even I haven't been in any chatrooms in the past years. It's not so popular to use IRC these days. It's old fashioned. But somehow it kept the whole Stunts family together in the past. I talked even with the pipsqueaks I didn't really like. I was happy to be there. Today, yes, we have the Facebook, the msn, and still the Stunts Forum. And maybe yes, if we want to recover from failing as a community, maybe we can use them to survive. It all depends on us.
Quote from: Akoss Poo on June 14, 2011, 07:07:52 PM
Time, work... well, Krys Toff attented the Danish international meeting with having a job, a wife and three children. Still, we could see him and we could party with him. Why? Because he really wanted to come. That's the real case, in my opinion.
That's just stupid. Do you really think I could travel to Europe just to meet you guys there, with 2 jobs, university, girlfriend and flat to care of? No, I couldn't even if I wanted it most than anything else.
I don't agree either about CTG killing the community but he sure hurt some people more than others (I'm sure many of us were suspicious about Silver Spirit and Dottore who was only racing successfully in USC, we're not THAT innocent, I think), not everybody has the same thoughts. It's a good thing he (Peter Varga) is trying to get his life back on track and I think he deserves any kind of help we can give him to solve his personal issues, but Peter Varga is not CTG. We must realize there is a different between or online selves and our flesh and bone selves. Of course some traits remain untouched, but some do not.
I don't know about CTG (still can't make my mind about that matter) but Peter Varga is a person who is having some troubles. I don't know about you, but I was taught to help people with problems as much as I could and so I will.
As for the community, I recently felt the call to come back and apparently so did Ivanoeg (I don't recall ever racing with him) so maybe this means something. If not a call from Stunts Valhalla at least it means those pipsqueaks that left are always coming back because this is what we are. People who enjoy playing 20YO games like stunts, monkey island, the one that gave our admin his nickname, Geoff's GP, Papyrus indycar, suppaplex, one setp beyond, one push and such. We can live because real life usually gets in the way, but when it gives us just a few extra mins to spend, we go back to our first love. So that, community will not die while some of us come back once in a while. Don't take competition level for community. It doesn't matter if the competition is strong or not, what matter is that most of us keep in touch (via whatever you choose)and know pretty good what's going on in others lives. And I somehow feel that once a member here, always a member here.
I'm going late for work, but I felt like I had to post this.
Regars!
Quote from: Chulk on June 14, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
Quote from: Akoss Poo on June 14, 2011, 07:07:52 PM
Time, work... well, Krys Toff attented the Danish international meeting with having a job, a wife and three children. Still, we could see him and we could party with him. Why? Because he really wanted to come. That's the real case, in my opinion.
That's just stupid. Do you really think I could travel to Europe just to meet you guys there, with 2 jobs, university, girlfriend and flat to care of? No, I couldn't even if I wanted it most than anything else.
There are and were many pipsqueaks in South America as well. I did not want to make you feel that in my opinion, you have to come to Europe to meet us to be an appreciatedly enthusiastic Stunts driver, but you took my words this way I guess. But within a continent, and especially if it's Europe, it's not such a big deal to organize and/or attend a meeting, the yearly meetings between 2004-06 prove that. And in that case, my words in my previous post are still really true.
Re: Akoss/Chulk, I feel that sort of argument leads neither way: it's just that people are able to (or, alternatively, willing to) get involved up to a certain point of real-life busyness, and past that point they aren't any more. Even Krys eventually became unable to send replays regularly. In a way, my thoughts about that are not far from Zak's "realist" observations above... except when it comes to his, so to say, "fears" of a re-enactment of 2002-2005 (or any other era, really) - even if the community blossomed again in a similar way we would never perceive it as the same thing, as we have changed a lot too :)
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P.S.: Mark has started another thread (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=2662.msg47706#msg47706) which can be useful to gather practical suggestions that may otherwise get lost amidst our "philosophical" reflections here.
Well, I'm not mad with CTG. Sure, he did some wrong things like acuse me to create ghost, calling ghost to Ayrton, Chulk and Gutix. I left the community those times so I "couldn't hear" about that so it didn't hurt me. But I think These guys felt insulted by him.
I'm not agree about saying "I'm a bad person, I did this and this so I punish myself and I leave". That's a kid way or maybe coward. I think he should apologyse with Ayrton, Chulk, Gutix and all the people he insulted about their existance. Now maybe it is too late to that.
As I said I'm not mad with him, I would like to see him here. The thing he did, more than a real apologyse you/we wont receive but for me it's enough.
About the community, you can't maintain a building with non-existant columns. That's not the way and Akoss, don't change the subject about it because he created ghost since the golden age where we were a lot of people here. So it wasn't a way to save the community, it was a wrong thing.
Gutix and me are trying to rise up the community again setting up the 4dsL 2011 with a large advertising campaign in abandonware forums and we prepared a "Liga de Stunts" (Stunts League) facebook page. Soon I will invite all of you.
I hope he considerate to come back and face us and say what he have to say. We are not a tribunal, we are regular guys just like him. Maybe I'm a bit soft with it, but in the other hand it's impossible to do more.
PS: Sorry for my bad english :D
Quote from: Chulk on June 14, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
Don't take competition level for community. It doesn't matter if the competition is strong or not, what matter is that most of us keep in touch (via whatever you choose)and know pretty good what's going on in others lives. And I somehow feel that once a member here, always a member here.
Very well said, Chulk. Community and competition are -although tightly related- completely different
Quote from: Akoss Poo on June 14, 2011, 08:39:24 PM
But within a continent, and especially if it's Europe, it's not such a big deal to organize and/or attend a meeting, the yearly meetings between 2004-06 prove that. And in that case, my words in my previous post are still really true.
It is a very huge deal to organize a meeting.
Akoss: Sorry if it sounded as I took it personally, that was not the idea and I apologize if it seemed so. I admit saying your idea was stupid does sound a bit too aggressive but, trust me, it was not my intention. That being said, I move on to...
The other topic! (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=2662.msg47706#msg47706)
(Yes, I know I posted there earlier, don't mention it ;) )
Quote from: Chulk on June 14, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
And I somehow feel that once a member here, always a member here.
So do I!
Well, well, well...
First, thanks Mark for the PM, it made me come here sooner that I would have probably done by myself according to the spare free time I have nowadays. ::)
Second, I don't see anything surprising here. Regular USC-only pipsqueaks were CTG ghosts. Nothing new for me here. That's CTG. Since the "scandal" of the track contest back in... 2003 ? (not sure) and the famous (for old-timers like me) Unskilled Stunts false draft (all "drafters" were CTG's ghosts) and so on, for sure old pipsqueaks should not be much surprised. :P
Third, "Silver Spirit" had its goal in its name : being 2nd, get the silver medal. Goal of this team was just to make CTG's result seem better with a "real" opposition. CTG probably found the level of his competition too low without some serious replays so he managed to create an opposition to both valorize himself and make the other strong players come racing USC.
Now, CTG made his coming out, fine, what else ?
Will it bring a real new generation of active chatters/players ? Nope. It will just make the forum less active.
Was he the only one playing with ghosts ? Not so sure...
Of course, there is a difference between forum-only ghosts like Stunts Oracle (Alan "Portador de Luz" Rotoi) or Stunts Oracle Priests (me) and racing ghosts, but goal of these were the same : fill the void, void created by a lack of pipsqueaks and chatters.
Is CTG crazy ? Maybe. Probably suffering mutli-personnality.
Is Peter Varga crazy ? I don't know but I don't think so.
Like Alain "il professore" Péré, CTG has always been playing a role as a pipsqueak.
Alain played the mocking bird, always finding funny to make the others go crazy against him.
Now the mask is off for CTG. He will probably come back in a few months/years with a new nick and a new attitude. I hope so, because Stunts need active pipsqueaks, like CTG was. Like I used to be before I got fed up with it and got too busy to even race with listfiller replays.
I can understand the frustration of Mark and some others, of course. I don't want to find any excuse to CTG.
Maybe Akoss, Zak and I are guilty in some way too, as we never forced CTG to reveal all his ghosts (I knew about some of them but not for all of them) and stop wasting his time like that...
Hello everyone :)
I generally agree with Krys. I'm not the least surprised to hear that CTG, Dottore etc. are ghosts, and I feel almost nothing. This doesn't change anything for me about the Stunts community - a declining community with less and less activity, but nevertheless a community with such a strong fundament of real human relations that I don't fear at all that it could die.
I also generally consider CTG's contribution to the Stunts community very positive. The lying and the ghost deceptions are childish and silly, but it's not such a big thing compared to how much he has done to keep the community alive and active.
When you say CTG is a liar and you cannot trust him, you are right! I learned this about him many years ago, and just accepted that as part of who he is. I knew with everything I said to him: "I cannot trust this guy." But I could still have a fine relationship with him.
Also...
The average age of the Stunts community has been rising year by year. It is now comprised of grown-up people who have jobs and in many cases also children. We don't have a lot of time, and when we do, we don't always want to spend it playing a computer game we've already been playing for 15 years, even if it's a really good computer game. How about some live racing events instead? That would take a bit less time.
Love.
Jacob
yes, lets not forget CTG managed to generate quite a buzz here on the forum even when without an active registration :) This is definitely a great asset :D
Live racing sounds cool, but I fear I may be a bit separated from the rest of you due to my new time zone... :(
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on June 17, 2011, 02:41:02 PM
I also generally consider CTG's contribution to the Stunts community very positive. The lying and the ghost deceptions are childish and silly, but it's not such a big thing compared to how much he has done to keep the community alive and active.
Agree
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on June 17, 2011, 02:41:02 PM
When you say CTG is a liar and you cannot trust him, you are right! I learned this about him many years ago, and just accepted that as part of who he is. I knew with everything I said to him: "I cannot trust this guy." But I could still have a fine relationship with him.
Agree
Sorry, I simply can't agree with you.
All that Peter Varga did in this forum, has been made for a unique goal: researching to shine over all others self-incensing himself. Maybe a certain number of us is here for the same reason. But to reach his objective, Peter Varga abused the trust of the community members, continuing to cover the others with insults, derision, deceptions, respectless. For years.
Sorry, but I could never have a good or fine relationship with a such person.
Sorry, but considering acceptable this sort of "contribute" to keep alive the little Stunts world is a vision light-years far from mine. If this vision is shared from the core of the actual community, well, I have to think a lot about. In a community, members have to partake much more than a passion for something. Someone can be more active and chattered than other one. But, as I said before, I consider estimate, respect and trust as pillars of a whatever community. We are not professional drivers paid to race in a championship. We are here because we are linked from something deeper. Something positive.
But if many members of this little world are ready to set aside their appreciation for respect and trust welcoming members as Peter Varga in order to keep alive the community finding is "contribute" very positive, well, I have to think a lot about.
For me, generating increased talking in the Forum with spam full of derisions and insult, or managing cheating races even with high number of drivers, is a poison for this world. Passion for the races and fairness is the sap. AS ZCT100 did. A race Peter Varga disregarded after the conclusion.
Anyway, the evidence is that this world was going to die with Peter Varga onboard. But maybe what we'll see from this moment will show that, without a similar person, this community can do much better. I only hope to be part of it. And this is what I have to think a lot.
Honestly, I never suffered insultive comments or PMs from anyone, even if I found many times that the haughty attitude of Argammon is quite insultive, but it's just my own opinion about him.
Sound-minded, cool attitude and comments from senior drivers like Krys and BJ. I was sure that they would react this way if they come.
Summary: the announcement hasn't shocked anybody who kept their eyes open (IMO), and has nothing to do with the future of the community. And about CTG... well, he's such kinda person, but still, a part of Stunts history, and one of us.
Of course I wish CTG hadn't been like this. I guess I just accepted long ago that he is. What else was there to do?
I half agree with Mark's point that we can never be sure if a new strong pipsqueak is CTG's ghost (but partly disagree because there's always been something weird about CTG's ghosts, and for example, I never thought Renato Biker or Duplode were ghosts). And also, this problem will not affect the newbies themselves (because as you will remember, most "ghost accusations" also came from CTG. And while I find it hard to believe anyone has believed in anything he said after the Gelato Baker scandal, certainly no one will believe anything now. Right?
However, I think we should keep our eyes open and not believe the last CTG-ghost has been revealed yet. The typical CTG thing to do would be to announce some ghosts as if they were the only ones and keep some others secret.
I think he's happy right now, thinking he's a big Dr. Evil in the world, when actually he's spent his precious hours becoming Dr. Slightly Annoying in a small fantasy world.
To me it's funny to see, that obviously after CTG's leaving the community starts to breathe free again and become more vivid. Or do I get it wrong?
I did my regular (roughly) monthly check on Stunts Forum, and had to say: "What the f***?"
But after some thinking, I started to think that this announcement is not a major breakpoint in the history of Stunts community. People are not perfect, and statistically, at least one seriously dishonest person appears in any online or offline community of this size. I'm rather happy to see a proof that such a person can't hide behind his mask forever.
Btw, I hope that CTG's results (under the name of CTG) won't be deleted from any scoreboard, and it won't be forgotten that he was a great pipsqueak. His driving skills and results have nothing to do with his personality and his ghosts.
About the future: I think that even the best things in life become less interesting after a few years, if we try to preserve them without any changes. I'm sure that this factor also contributed to the dying of the community. Becoming older, having flats, jobs, families, etc. also matter, but any of us can see that hard-working fathers at the age of 30 usually DO have their hobbies (even if they take a 2-3-year break in their busiest period). So why can't we keep on? If we can be so active on the forum due to the 'CTG scandal', we could also attend a race, a championship or even a meeting... but these events should be special compared to the earlier ones to attract our attention.
Well, I agree with Akoss that the activity will never reach the 2002-05 level. That is no more affordable for most of us, due to the lack of time, and neither newbies can remake such a world, due to the changing social habits. But the worst thing would be to let everything die slowly. I would rather see the rebuilding of the community into a less vivid, but strong one. In my present circumstances (with limited free time) racing 4 times per year, checking the forum weekly and sending 10-15 posts (not counting spam) per month would mean that the world of Stunts is still an important element in my life and my connections to this world are still strong. I hope that I can reach this level of activity soon, but it's worth doing that only if I won't be alone...
Quote from: JTK on June 18, 2011, 11:14:30 AM
To me it's funny to see, that obviously after CTG's leaving the community starts to breathe free again and become more vivid. Or do I get it wrong?
Yeah, sure.
Quote from: CTG on August 01, 2011, 06:55:21 PM
Quote from: JTK on June 18, 2011, 11:14:30 AM
To me it's funny to see, that obviously after CTG's leaving the community starts to breathe free again and become more vivid. Or do I get it wrong?
Yeah, sure.
Viva renaissance of Stunts Forum!
Are you happy? Would you like to see the statistics of a few posts? I don't like it. Are you a fan of stunts or pride blinds you? Ahh, nor is it necessary to fill the forum posts nonsense or spam or beer. Sound familiar?
These months have not been much time in front of the computer because it's summer and I went to the beach, I've been with my family ... I imagine that much of the community has done something similar.
Sorry for my english.
Quote from: Oscar on September 12, 2011, 09:27:09 AM
Ahh, nor is it necessary to fill the forum posts nonsense or spam or beer.
Too bad: beer is still the most popular topic - and not only because of me. Maybe I'll tell you something new: few years ago this one was a
real community, also chatting in
real topics, not only ZCT46/75/93 or car hacking bullshit. Or do you think Krys Toff, Bonzai Joe or Akoss Poo talked only about Stunts? Bah...
While you may have a point (at least to the extent you are replying to that sentence in Oscar's post), you are doing yourself no favours by coming to this thread and rubbing it in that the community is comatose, or that your absence did nothing towards restoring it - no matter that both things are obviously true. Frankly, I don't think you are in a position to do that. Do make a comeback if you feel the need, but please let go of the grudges; live and let live.
DUP: I'm talking about facts, nothing more. Zak should close this topic anyway - I can't do it anymore without the old forum account.
Agree the community is sleeping, it's a fact! I have nothing against you, but all of us in the community should support and attempt stunts that works.
Beer ... ok we can speak about everything, but it would be interesting Stunts competitions or ... stunts hacking, why not? ... this it is a Stunts forum I think.
Quote from: CTG on September 12, 2011, 05:40:28 PM
... not only ZCT46/75/93 or car hacking bullshit. ...
Stunts car hacking bullshit!? some respect.
Yeah, it's Stunts forum, most of the subforums are about the game. That's normal, I also made 5000-6000 posts in these topics. But check the number in the "Stats" section and you will see what I was talking about in accordance with "civil" topics.
I don't like car hacking at all. On one hand: yes, it's fun to make and try them - and I also know how much work is behind a new car. But on the other hand it kills something from the original spirit of Stunts, at least for me (and for Akoss too, as far as I know).
For those of us here with an interest in bringing more life to the Stunts forum (whether that includes you, CTG, is up to yourself), what's the plan? I have just one idea: thread start pact. Each member of the pact must start at least one and up to three interesting threads each week (do your best).
Who's in?
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on September 18, 2011, 05:29:34 PM
For those of us here with an interest in bringing more life to the Stunts forum (whether that includes you, CTG, is up to yourself), what's the plan? I have just one idea: thread start pact. Each member of the pact must start at least one and up to three interesting threads each week (do your best).
Who's in?
Whoa - no chance for me (too uninteresting)!
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on September 18, 2011, 05:29:34 PM
For those of us here with an interest in bringing more life to the Stunts forum (whether that includes you, CTG, is up to yourself), what's the plan? I have just one idea: thread start pact. Each member of the pact must start at least one and up to three interesting threads each week (do your best).
Who's in?
I guess 'Böff' topic is already existing, so I can't say any further interesting threads. ;D
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on September 18, 2011, 05:29:34 PM
For those of us here with an interest in bringing more life to the Stunts forum (whether that includes you, CTG, is up to yourself), what's the plan? I have just one idea: thread start pact. Each member of the pact must start at least one and up to three interesting threads each week (do your best).
Who's in?
A noble suggestion, but I'm not sure about keeping it up to reach a target - but most likely that's just because I'm a lazy son of a Helen(*), so whatever ;D
(*) Which reminds me of this (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=2662.msg47799#msg47799). Also, of this (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=2219.msg38546#msg38546)...
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on September 18, 2011, 05:29:34 PM
For those of us here with an interest in bringing more life to the Stunts forum (whether that includes you, CTG, is up to yourself), what's the plan? I have just one idea: thread start pact. Each member of the pact must start at least one and up to three interesting threads each week (do your best).
Who's in?
All in (at least will try :)))
may I modify my reply? I will be the one replying on most of the post you create :)
This thread was an interesting read. To bad the community is dead nowadays. I would not have raced though.
Quote from: Argammon on October 13, 2011, 12:16:59 AM
This thread was an interesting read. To bad the community is dead nowadays. I would not have raced though.
Backgammon. Again.
Quote from: CTG on October 13, 2011, 08:36:32 AM
Quote from: Argammon on October 13, 2011, 12:16:59 AM
This thread was an interesting read. To bad the community is dead nowadays. I would not have raced though.
Backgammon. Again.
I bet you missed me! :'( :'( :'(
Quote from: Argammon on October 13, 2011, 11:25:03 AM
Quote from: CTG on October 13, 2011, 08:36:32 AM
Quote from: Argammon on October 13, 2011, 12:16:59 AM
This thread was an interesting read. To bad the community is dead nowadays. I would not have raced though.
Backgammon. Again.
I bet you missed me! :'( :'( :'(
Nice try... but nope. :P ;D
Quote from: CTG on October 13, 2011, 12:36:28 PM
Quote from: Argammon on October 13, 2011, 11:25:03 AM
Quote from: CTG on October 13, 2011, 08:36:32 AM
Quote from: Argammon on October 13, 2011, 12:16:59 AM
This thread was an interesting read. To bad the community is dead nowadays. I would not have raced though.
Backgammon. Again.
I bet you missed me! :'( :'( :'(
Nice try... but nope. :P ;D
Aww damn. Buttt I am sure Krys must have missed me! I am sure, am I? :o
well we also miss Krys, so it is hard to tell :D
Quote from: zaqrack on October 13, 2011, 05:41:41 PM
well we also miss Krys, so it is hard to tell :D
Tell a word and he'll come back with a song.
Quote from: Argammon on October 13, 2011, 02:41:44 PM
Quote from: CTG on October 13, 2011, 12:36:28 PM
Quote from: Argammon on October 13, 2011, 11:25:03 AM
Quote from: CTG on October 13, 2011, 08:36:32 AM
Quote from: Argammon on October 13, 2011, 12:16:59 AM
This thread was an interesting read. To bad the community is dead nowadays. I would not have raced though.
Backgammon. Again.
I bet you missed me! :'( :'( :'(
Nice try... but nope. :P ;D
Aww damn. Buttt I am sure Krys must have missed me! I am sure, am I? :o
Honestly...? No. Your arrogance always annoyed me, that's a fact. I don't say it to be aggressive or start any argument, it's just a feeling I have that I can't get rid of. Anyway, congrats for your diploma Argammon, well done.
But I miss Alain or Diesel Joe and will miss Mark (even if Mark and I are still in contact on another game).
Regarding Stunts racing, I tried to come back but I lost my DOSBox parameters that worked for Stunts on my desktop computer and so I have a non-fluent gameplay, making the game impossible to be played properly (it lags a lot). As it took me numerous attempts and time to find those settings some years ago, I never found the motivation to do all the tests/settings changes again to make Stunts playable again... :-[
Quote from: CTG on October 13, 2011, 09:28:13 PM
Quote from: zaqrack on October 13, 2011, 05:41:41 PM
well we also miss Krys, so it is hard to tell :D
Tell a word and he'll come back with a song.
So, you're back ? With a new nickname I like a lot (Dexter Morgan, I love that TV show, really, that's one of my top 3 nowadays with Breaking Bad and True Blood 8)). So, I supposed that having a forum free of "Böff" messages was just a dream, right ? :P ;D
And about word/song lyric game, honestly, I'm not sure I can keep it as nowadays I almost listen only melodic metal (Within Temptation, Epica or derivates) or Japanese rock, indie rock or metal (Uplift Spice, The Back Horn, Stereopony, Brahman, 8Otto, Maximum the Hormone, ...). And I don't speak a word of Japanese so only melodic metal remains. :D
Quote from: Krys TOFF on October 29, 2011, 02:07:59 AM
Regarding Stunts racing, I tried to come back but I lost my DOSBox parameters that worked for Stunts on my desktop computer and so I have a non-fluent gameplay, making the game impossible to be played properly (it lags a lot). As it took me numerous attempts and time to find those settings some years ago, I never found the motivation to do all the tests/settings changes again to make Stunts playable again... :-[
Hey Krys, have you tried the example configurations in http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php/DOSBox ? It covers a reasonably wide range of PC specs; I suspect there is a fair chance of some of them working with yours.
Quote from: Krys TOFF on October 29, 2011, 02:07:59 AM
So, I supposed that having a forum free of "Böff" messages was just a dream, right ? :P ;D
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Quote from: CTG on September 13, 2011, 03:07:04 PM
I don't like car hacking at all. On one hand: yes, it's fun to make and try them - and I also know how much work is behind a new car. But on the other hand it kills something from the original spirit of Stunts, at least for me (and for Akoss too, as far as I know).
What am I reading? You have lying hard-coded in your veins. :)
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This whole thread is.. too big. It should be sticky, definitely. So many thoughts, so many opinions - this is a very nice reading. Surprisingly, I don't have any stance (only many thoughts in my mind). I did not notice any difference when I came back in Jan 2012 (ok I miss BJ racing regularly - ha was a big hero for me :) - and I noticed Mark has leaved us) so this thing does not affect this decaying community so much. I would like to see many of pipsqueaks in the track again and I like the hobby idea (we should stay with stunts - participating from time to time but not to leave definitely). :)
So Dexter Morgan was a ghost too?
Not really, as everybody knew he was CTG from the start. It was rather like the Mingva/Paradisio nick change, except it only lasted one race.
Quote from: Duplode on February 02, 2013, 05:38:56 AM
Not really, as everybody knew he was CTG from the start. It was rather like the Mingva/Paradisio nick change, except it only lasted one race.
To avoid using this name: if you see Corundum on the scoreboard, it's me... (my legendary ghost at receptura.hu - am I right, Mr. Poo? ;D)