Not for live racing...
The winner should be a grasshopper. I guess all the tricks are predictable, but most of them are really "hard" (or it's better to say: needs dozens of RH hours to complete, ideal for gelato baker).
Actually I wanted to make it so hard that nobody could do it perfectly, and so that the replays would be beautiful and varied, but each with their own imperfections, just like in the old days. Renato is of course a problem in this respect, but maybe he is not the same Renato as once upon a time. If Ayrton had still been playing, there would have been no competition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xik-y0xlpZ0
Thinking over the track again (without the game, I don't have it at my workplace), I see how smart track it is. Not as bad as it seemed to be, but really not my style. And the possible cars are also against me (Skyline, Corvette, Indy, Speedgate).
If we calculate with a corrected 1 minute long run...
1:43.45 - Nissan Skyline; seems to be an easy one
1:33.75 - Lamborghini LM002; nope
1:26.95 - Acura NSX; not so far from the fire, but this track doesn't give enough advantage to a semi-powergear car versus Skyline
1:17.95 - Audi Quattro; works similarly to Skyline in a forest, it's useless to try
1:16.90 - Lamborghini Countach; (luckily) still far from the aspirants
1:15.95 - Lotus Esprit; not now
1:11.45 - Speedgate; perhaps not a winner car, but good for middle class pipsqueaks to complete an easy run with relatively good result
1:10.50 - Chevrolet Corvette; keywords: Gutix, powergear, not very likely anyway
1:05.20 - Porsche Carrera; wreck
1:04.50 - Porsche March Indy; sounds like a serious contender (with cutting the cork up/down in powergear), although sharp corners are not really PG-friendly. I think this one will win.
1:04.50 - Ferrari F40; ZCT 143 is waiting for it
1:02.50 - Ferrari GTO; thanks to Indy, even Ayrton wouldn't be enough to win with it
1:00.60 - Lancia Delta Integrale; if you want to pick this one, you should rather try in Sega Rally Championship
1:00.00 - Jaguar XJR IMSA; later
55.55 - Kart; hopefully never
52.20 - Porsche 962; same time, next year
Quote from: CTG on October 02, 2012, 09:47:08 AM[...] I guess all the tricks are predictable, but most of them are really "hard" [...]
What about a list? ;) It takes me a minute to get half way through the track, even cutting all the corners and loops I know how to cut.
Quote from: dreadnaut on October 02, 2012, 05:35:35 PM
Quote from: CTG on October 02, 2012, 09:47:08 AM[...] I guess all the tricks are predictable, but most of them are really "hard" [...]
What about a list? ;) It takes me a minute to get half way through the track, even cutting all the corners and loops I know how to cut.
One minute halfway through isn't too far off the mark ;) (just in case: don't forget Skyline laps have a 42% time bonus; so the laps currently on the scoreboard range from 1:51.40 to 1:59.20 in-game). Anyway, on a basic level CTG is right - a long chain of jump-slide-slide-jump-jump- and so forth in ever more bizarre permutations. Re: the wild speculation above, I don't see grasshoppers - too slow for that...? And what's more: BJ may have achieved his goal.
dreadnaut:
1, cut the 180° right - 180° left combo
2(a), Nissan, Speedgate, any other non-PG cars: jump out of the first loop to the right and try to land preferably on the road (somewhere at the end of the boulevard), then
2(a1), Speedgate: if you use a fast car, try to make a bug jump by hitting the first cork from the right - if you have enough speed, you can land at the next cork
2(a2), Nissan, any slow car: jump out of the cork with hard steering to the left. If you are fast enough, you will land somewhere around the next cork.
2(b), Indy, Acura: reach powergear on the loop and cut the boulevard / first cork part
3, you mustn't slow down totally to solve the next two small corners, just slide
4, jump out of the next loop to the left. Landing angle is a crucial question, try to fall on the icy road (without sliding off). That one will be a bit hard.
5, if you have a slow car, you will need manual gears to complete the ramp on the hill. While you are falling, steer to the left to make another slide, keeping some speed for the pipe.
6, jump out at the end of the pipe - of course to the left. If you are lucky, you will land in the right corner.
7, after the boring banked corner part: make a long bug jump over the water using the cork up/down's outer left side (seems to be possible with Indy / Speedgate, or else with unbelievable luck / 3 hours RH)
The detailed Indy solution is not included, it's not my task to tell (check Alain's Eger replay on YouTube to see the limits of the car). If you can do at least 4 of these 7, you will be easily under 55 seconds (and probably beat me).
Quote from: CTG on October 03, 2012, 07:51:11 AM
7, after the boring banked corner part: make a long bug jump over the water using the cork up/down's outer left side (seems to be possible with Indy / Speedgate, or else with unbelievable luck / 3 hours RH)
Declared: it is possible with Indy (unfortunately only on a modified track, reaching powergear is a bit harder).
Quote from: CTG on October 03, 2012, 11:28:06 PM
Quote from: CTG on October 03, 2012, 07:51:11 AM
7, after the boring banked corner part: make a long bug jump over the water using the cork up/down's outer left side (seems to be possible with Indy / Speedgate, or else with unbelievable luck / 3 hours RH)
Declared: it is possible with Indy (unfortunately only on a modified track, reaching powergear is a bit harder).
Declared: Speedgate is also able to complete a successful jump there. The "only" problem is the speed, probably you can't reach 220-230 mph on the real track (or who knows...)
Realistic version: Indy madness. Eger replay is getting more and more recommended to newbies...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms0RcmhXFY0
Quote from: CTG on October 03, 2012, 11:34:23 PM
Realistic version: Indy madness. Eger replay is getting more and more recommended to newbies...
And it's not very useful ;D
Thanks for the info above though, great tips! I was aware of 1-2-4-7, although 7 lands me straight in the water. I also [re-]discovered that landing on boulevards is safe, even from a vertical fall!
6: er... never
jumped out of one of those, I usually just
crash out of them :P
Quote from: dreadnaut on October 04, 2012, 01:04:10 AM
Quote from: CTG on October 03, 2012, 11:34:23 PM
Realistic version: Indy madness. Eger replay is getting more and more recommended to newbies...
And it's not very useful ;D
Thanks for the info above though, great tips! I was aware of 1-2-4-7, although 7 lands me straight in the water. I also [re-]discovered that landing on boulevards is safe, even from a vertical fall!
6: er... never jumped out of one of those, I usually just crash out of them :P
!hint: Ayrton, Lancia, 2008 (possible with any other cars too, angle can be regulated)
Sorry about that one. I hate pipe tricks actually. Very proud of the loop-cork-cork-loop sequence though.
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on October 04, 2012, 01:29:19 AM
Very proud of the loop-cork-cork-loop sequence though.
I should argue with that one, but not at 2:12. ;D
To hide or not to hide, that's the question.
Quote from: CTG on October 05, 2012, 08:30:06 AM
Quote from: alanrotoi on October 05, 2012, 01:38:28 AM
To hide or not to hide, that's the question.
Hide.
That's a funny question anyway. ZCT 134 started with an incredible battle, but went to a hiding contest. ZCT 135 can be the opposite...
Quote from: alanrotoi on October 05, 2012, 01:38:28 AM
To hide or not to hide, that's the question.
Don't hide and send me the replay!
Quote from: Chulk on October 05, 2012, 03:58:44 PM
Quote from: alanrotoi on October 05, 2012, 01:38:28 AM
To hide or not to hide, that's the question.
Don't hide and send me the replay!
This is a typical Meganium track (I guess even AbuRaf will finish quite high with Indy powergear).
Meganium track? why? xD
BTW this year zakstunts is more popular, isn't it?
Quote from: alanrotoi on October 05, 2012, 05:55:54 PM
BTW this year zakstunts is more popular, isn't it?
Yes, maybe it's the strongest season of the last 7 years.
Quote from: alanrotoi on October 05, 2012, 05:43:24 PM
Meganium track? why? xD
Because it seems to be an Indy track with long powergear sections and Meganium is traditionally strong in that.
Hmmmm... I have to avoid the usual 18 seconds penalty with Indy.
Quote from: CTG on October 05, 2012, 11:03:14 PM
Hmmmm... I have to avoid the usual 18 seconds penalty with Indy.
Done. With a damned shitty solution...
BYE-BYE SKYLINE!!! :D
Quote from: Who's onlineDuplode 00:26:23 Nothing, or nothing you can see...
Quote from: Duplode, Cork HeadquotersDamn, this Hungarian asshole fucked up our plan. Let's teach him some respect and beat his time as soon as possible!
;D
So it's Indy, I see :)
Er... where would one reach powergear in the last part of the track? I suppose you're all jumping over the last stretch of water.
Quote from: dreadnaut on October 08, 2012, 04:52:27 PM
So it's Indy, I see :)
Er... where would one reach powergear in the last part of the track? I suppose you're all jumping over the last stretch of water.
At the first loop...
I was afraid that would be the answer. It's going to be a long, long month.
Quote from: dreadnaut on October 08, 2012, 05:10:29 PM
I was afraid that would be the answer. It's going to be a long, long month.
It's not as hard as you think now. The real difficulty is to make sharp turns in powergear (crucial section: between the second cork and the pipe).
Quote from: CTG on October 05, 2012, 04:03:18 PM
AbuRaf will finish quite high with Indy powergear
And he's coming up...
Quote from: CTG on October 09, 2012, 09:45:51 AMIt's not as hard as you think now. The real difficulty is to make sharp turns in powergear (crucial section: between the second cork and the pipe).
Getting to powergear is not difficult indeed, the problem is going anywhere from there ;D Yup, sharp turns more than others. But the other ones too: I'm more one of those two-wheels-on-track players.
so then a one-wheels-on-or-over-the-track rule competition would suit you better - too bad we don't have one right now.
yeah :(
Ask Mingva to continue IRC.
Finally, it's over! :D
But nothing started... :-\