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Title: ZCT 138 - Knotted
Post by: CTG on January 07, 2013, 08:57:40 AM
Quite a long ride. The corkscrew part is useless & annoying, other sections are fine. Not my favorite track type.
Title: Mingva le van fingva
Post by: CTG on January 07, 2013, 08:50:04 PM
Btw another example for Zak's penis shaped tracks...   ???

(http://zak.stunts.hu/tracks/trackdisplay.php?track=ZCT138)
Title: Re: ZCT 138 - Knotted
Post by: CTG on January 16, 2013, 08:59:53 AM
It seems the next month can be more interesting from the aspect of car choices. Calculating with pure Audi podium and maybe some lazy bone LM002 replays in the middle class, we have to face the following numbers in February (to simplify it, let's take 0% as 1:00.00):

1:49.09 (45%) or 1:55.38 (48%) - Lamborghini LM002
We need a relatively slow track for a Jeep race - or at least no powergear.

1:30.91 (34%) - Lamborghini Countach
It seems to be a high bonus, but I doubt that February will be the month of Countach (maybe I'm wrong). It can't beat LM002 by 18 seconds on a slow track (worse grip), while some powergear monsters are not so far behind. Probably in March or April...

1:29.55 (33%) - Lotus Esprit Turbo
Even if it has slightly better handling than Countach, the low top speed suggests that it has no chance to be on the podium. I guess we won't use it earlier than April.

1:22.19 (27%) - Chevrolet Corvette
The main aspirant in the case of a powergear track.

1:15.00 (20%) - Porsche Carrera and the tuned Corvette GT3
No.

1:14.07 (19%) - Ferrari F40
No.

1:11.43 (16%) - Ferrari GTO
Not this time, but in the foreseeable future (April? May?)

1:08.18 (12%) - Jaguar XJR IMSA and Lancia Delta Integrale
Both would need a really fast track, but we have two powergear cars ahead, so... predictions: Jaguar in May, Lancia: July/August.

1:01:86 (3%) - Melange XGT-88
The long wait...

1:01.22 (2%) - McLaren Honda
Earlier than Melange, but not in the next 3 months.

58.25 (-3%) or 56.60 (-6%) - Audi Quattro
Even if I like this car, I'm happy to know we don't have to use it in the next 8-10 months.

57.69 (-4%) - Acura NSX
Autumn?

56.60 (-6%) - Porsche 962 IMSA
Too far to predict anything.

50.00 (-20%) - Porsche March Indy
I can imagine a pure Indy track, although it's not very likely. What you need is to avoid other cars physically (e.g. jump after the start or after a very slow corner, where only Indy and McLaren are able to reach the required speed) + powergear after that. Or a loop in the first tile, followed by hard powergear part where Acura/GTO/ZR1 fail.
Title: Re: ZCT 138 - Knotted
Post by: CTG on January 29, 2013, 11:11:00 PM
"no more replays from me" disc, play button
Title: Re: ZCT 138 - Knotted
Post by: Friker on January 31, 2013, 01:18:44 PM
Quote from: CTG on January 29, 2013, 11:11:00 PM
"no more replays from me" disc, play button
In other words - just sent a 5 secs improvement. :)
Title: Re: ZCT 138 - Knotted
Post by: CTG on January 31, 2013, 02:59:25 PM
Quote from: Friker on January 31, 2013, 01:18:44 PM
Quote from: CTG on January 29, 2013, 11:11:00 PM
"no more replays from me" disc, play button
In other words - just sent a 5 secs improvement. :)

shut up ;D
Title: Re: ZCT 138 - Knotted
Post by: dreadnaut on January 31, 2013, 11:02:01 PM
By the way, is it possible to drive on top of a pipe? I managed to jump there a couple of times at the end of this track, but I always crashed trying.
Title: Re: ZCT 138 - Knotted
Post by: alanrotoi on January 31, 2013, 11:11:24 PM
You can't, but you can do what I did in zct15 :)

Title: Re: ZCT 138 - Knotted
Post by: Duplode on January 31, 2013, 11:34:54 PM
In theory, it should be possible - the tops of pipes and l/r corks have basically the same surface, and it is clearly possible to drive atop the latter. With pipes it is much more difficult, though, as they tend to be longer and the entrance tile makes landing with the right alignment hard. (I would find it surprising if there isn't a replay in the archives with e.g. Ayrton doing that, though I can't recall any.)
Title: Re: ZCT 138 - Knotted
Post by: dreadnaut on January 31, 2013, 11:40:06 PM
Beautiful, just beautiful :)

I had a great pipe jump in ZCT138, but it didn't make it in the last replay: bug-jump at the exit of the pipe, to fly above the cork to the tunnel, and straight to the finish line.

Oh, I just discovered Ctrl-Alt-F5 to record videos in DosBox!
Title: Re: ZCT 138 - Knotted
Post by: CTG on February 01, 2013, 12:03:48 AM
Quote from: Duplode on January 31, 2013, 11:34:54 PM
In theory, it should be possible - the tops of pipes and l/r corks have basically the same surface, and it is clearly possible to drive atop the latter. With pipes it is much more difficult, though, as they tend to be longer and the entrance tile makes landing with the right alignment hard. (I would find it surprising if there isn't a replay in the archives with e.g. Ayrton doing that, though I can't recall any.)

It's not a theory - it's a fact! Not even a hard one...
Title: Re: ZCT 138 - Knotted
Post by: Duplode on February 01, 2013, 01:29:07 AM
Quote from: CTG on February 01, 2013, 12:03:48 AM
It's not a theory - it's a fact! Not even a hard one...

After reading your reply, I thought "He is right of course, I must have seen that trick in competition at some point, or even done it myself", but there was no way I could recall an example... So I spent a few minutes "in" the Competition Archive, and guess what:

http://youtu.be/E1AwT_Btmp8 (top left, ~0:50 if you are impatient).

How the hell could I forget that?  :o
Title: Re: ZCT 138 - Knotted
Post by: CTG on February 01, 2013, 01:49:43 AM
It's also quite easy to fall through without crashing.
Title: Re: ZCT 138 - Knotted
Post by: CTG on February 01, 2013, 10:24:56 AM
Quote from: Duplode on February 01, 2013, 01:29:07 AM
Quote from: CTG on February 01, 2013, 12:03:48 AM
It's not a theory - it's a fact! Not even a hard one...

After reading your reply, I thought "He is right of course, I must have seen that trick in competition at some point, or even done it myself", but there was no way I could recall an example... So I spent a few minutes "in" the Competition Archive, and guess what:

http://youtu.be/E1AwT_Btmp8 (top left, ~0:50 if you are impatient).

How the hell could I forget that?  :o

Btw you can practice this skill on the next track. :)
Title: Re: Mingva le van fingva
Post by: alanrotoi on February 04, 2013, 11:32:19 PM
Quote from: CTG on January 07, 2013, 08:50:04 PM
Btw another example for Zak's penis shaped tracks...   ???

(http://zak.stunts.hu/tracks/trackdisplay.php?track=ZCT138)

Congratulations on winning zak's penis track. :)
Title: The other race
Post by: Duplode on February 05, 2013, 10:24:12 PM
Analysis of ZCT138 6th-11th.

Splits:

AKP USR DUP DRE SBR FRI
1 30.60 30.65 30.10 30.95 31.90 30.70
2 45.50 46.75 45.90 42.35 48.05 49.15
3 61.15 61.75 61.20 58.65 63.80 64.30
4 79.50 80.05 86.50 80.35 89.85 91.65
5 103.70 103.90 104.85 104.70 109.15 110.70
6 116.20 116.40 116.90 117.75 121.80 123.85


Sectors:

AKP USR DUP DRE SBR FRI
1 30.60 30.65 30.10 30.95 31.90 30.70
2 14.90 16.10 15.80 11.40 16.15 18.45
3 15.65 15.00 15.30 16.30 15.75 15.15
4 18.35 18.30 25.30 21.70 26.05 27.35
5 24.20 23.85 18.35 24.35 19.30 19.05
6 12.50 12.50 12.05 13.05 12.65 13.15


Reverse gaps to leader:

AKP USR DUP DRE SBR FRI
1 -0.50 -0.55 0.00 -0.85 -1.80 -0.60
2 -3.15 -4.40 -3.55 0.00 -5.70 -6.80
3 -2.50 -3.10 -2.55 0.00 -5.15 -5.65
4 0.00 -0.55 -7.00 -0.85 -10.35 -12.15
5 0.00 -0.20 -1.15 -1.00 -5.45 -7.00
6 0.00 -0.20 -0.70 -1.55 -5.60 -7.65


Highlights:
Title: Re: The other race
Post by: dreadnaut on February 05, 2013, 10:45:16 PM
Quote from: Duplode on February 05, 2013, 10:24:12 PMIt didn't make that much difference in the end (ignoring Renato's lap, obviously), because the extra speed into sector 5 coming from the bridge largely offset the loss of time caused by ascending the cork (credit to Zak for the smart combination!).

The above, indeed. The grass and bridge paths felt very well balanced, and it took me quite a few tries to eventually go for the grass path, which felt slower. However, the high speed from the banked part plus my troubles with high speed corners decided for me —I was about 1.5 slower on the bridge.
Title: Re: ZCT 138 - Knotted
Post by: Friker on February 05, 2013, 11:31:26 PM
..and here, we can see how Friker (and probably SB) made his replay in 20 minutes.. you should leave us from analysis.. (but ok - it makes me really ashamed and i promise i will race this month :D )
Title: Re: ZCT 138 - Knotted
Post by: dreadnaut on February 06, 2013, 12:07:08 AM
Quote from: Friker on February 05, 2013, 11:31:26 PMbut ok - it makes me really ashamed and i promise i will race this month :D

You'd better, 'cause I'm not gonna cover you on the waterboarding trap of this month.
Title: Re: ZCT 138 - Knotted
Post by: CTG on February 06, 2013, 11:27:29 PM
Damn, my Audi lap was just deleted. I wanted to compare the section times...

Fast edit: stupid me, it's online. :D