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Title: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on January 28, 2013, 09:55:49 AM
Let's see if my track is good enough to qualify or not...  :D

(Zak: sent in e-mail)
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 01, 2013, 03:35:41 PM
...called Parody. Original idea was 'J.A.P.S.T.'. Easy one, but the first to find it out is my guest for a beer at the next WSM.
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Chulk on February 01, 2013, 03:50:10 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 01, 2013, 03:35:41 PM
...called Parody. Original idea was 'J.A.P.S.T.'. Easy one, but the first to find it out is my guest for a beer at the next WSM.
Just a penis shaped track...
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 01, 2013, 07:08:41 PM
Quote from: Chulk on February 01, 2013, 03:50:10 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 01, 2013, 03:35:41 PM
...called Parody. Original idea was 'J.A.P.S.T.'. Easy one, but the first to find it out is my guest for a beer at the next WSM.
Just a penis shaped track...

Almost: j. another p.s.t. ;D

Which brand of beer do you prefer?
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Chulk on February 01, 2013, 07:15:27 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 01, 2013, 07:08:41 PM
another p.s.t. ;D
Pretty Shitty Try?
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 01, 2013, 07:24:46 PM
Quote from: Chulk on February 01, 2013, 07:15:27 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 01, 2013, 07:08:41 PM
another p.s.t. ;D
Pretty Shitty Try?

Is it?

(just another penis shaped track)
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 04, 2013, 02:30:42 PM
Forget LM002 and Countach, this time we will have a pure Audi race for sure.

Unless Ayrton comes back - using Ferrari GTO...
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: dreadnaut on February 04, 2013, 04:30:12 PM
/me hasn't looked at the track yet, but has learnt to ignore whatever CTG writes by default
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 04, 2013, 06:42:12 PM
Quote from: dreadnaut on February 04, 2013, 04:30:12 PM
/me hasn't looked at the track yet, but has learnt to ignore whatever CTG writes by default

What about double tricks? Maybe I tell you the truth because I know that you will consider it as a lie. :D
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: dreadnaut on February 04, 2013, 07:21:02 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 04, 2013, 06:42:12 PM
What about double tricks? Maybe I tell you the truth because I know that you will consider it as a lie. :D

The good thing about ignoring is that you ignore both truth and lies, so you end up doing just as well in the long run. Add the CTG factor to the equation, and one might actually be better off :)
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Friker on February 05, 2013, 01:00:28 AM
Quote from: dreadnaut on February 04, 2013, 07:21:02 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 04, 2013, 06:42:12 PM
What about double tricks? Maybe I tell you the truth because I know that you will consider it as a lie. :D

The good thing about ignoring is that you ignore both truth and lies, so you end up doing just as well in the long run. Add the CTG factor to the equation, and one might actually be better off :)

dreadnaut's learning very well and quick. :)
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 05, 2013, 12:13:17 PM
Like all the other suspiciously enlightened gho... pipsqueaks.
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Friker on February 05, 2013, 12:18:42 PM
CTG, how long did you "test" the track on PG line? because I have feeling every tile of the track is very hard to pass..
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 05, 2013, 12:19:23 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 05, 2013, 12:13:17 PM
Like all the other suspiciously enlightened gho... pipsqueaks.

Yes, like you, Mr. Tomkovic. ;D
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 05, 2013, 12:27:01 PM
Quote from: Friker on February 05, 2013, 12:18:42 PM
CTG, how long did you "test" the track on PG line? because I have feeling every tile of the track is very hard to pass..

Not that long. And yes, it's a hard one. I wanted to make it even more difficult, but Zak modified that section because of some potential crying newbies. :D It was funnier with the small corners after the 180° banked corner plus ramp part - and quite different with each cars.
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Friker on February 05, 2013, 12:55:09 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 05, 2013, 12:27:01 PM
Quote from: Friker on February 05, 2013, 12:18:42 PM
CTG, how long did you "test" the track on PG line? because I have feeling every tile of the track is very hard to pass..

Not that long. And yes, it's a hard one. I wanted to make it even more difficult, but Zak modified that section because of some potential crying newbies. :D It was funnier with the small corners after the 180° banked corner plus ramp part - and quite different with each cars.

where were a ramp?
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 05, 2013, 01:27:26 PM
Quote from: Friker on February 05, 2013, 12:55:09 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 05, 2013, 12:27:01 PM
Quote from: Friker on February 05, 2013, 12:18:42 PM
CTG, how long did you "test" the track on PG line? because I have feeling every tile of the track is very hard to pass..

Not that long. And yes, it's a hard one. I wanted to make it even more difficult, but Zak modified that section because of some potential crying newbies. :D It was funnier with the small corners after the 180° banked corner plus ramp part - and quite different with each cars.

where were a ramp?

It's still there. But the following small right + small left + 2 tile boulevard was changed to chicane + tunnel.
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Friker on February 05, 2013, 02:37:52 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 05, 2013, 01:27:26 PM
Quote from: Friker on February 05, 2013, 12:55:09 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 05, 2013, 12:27:01 PM
Quote from: Friker on February 05, 2013, 12:18:42 PM
CTG, how long did you "test" the track on PG line? because I have feeling every tile of the track is very hard to pass..

Not that long. And yes, it's a hard one. I wanted to make it even more difficult, but Zak modified that section because of some potential crying newbies. :D It was funnier with the small corners after the 180° banked corner plus ramp part - and quite different with each cars.

where were a ramp?

It's still there. But the following small right + small left + 2 tile boulevard was changed to chicane + tunnel.

aha, i misunderstood it. :)
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Duplode on February 05, 2013, 07:52:14 PM
This is not a great track for Audi. Countach, or even LM002, would be much nicer...
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Chulk on February 05, 2013, 08:05:28 PM
Quote from: Duplode on February 05, 2013, 07:52:14 PM
This is not a great track for Audi. Countach, or even LM002, would be much nicer...
It is not good for LM002 either. It's almost a 2 min ride at full speed... not fun at all.
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 05, 2013, 11:19:24 PM
Quote from: Chulk on February 05, 2013, 08:05:28 PM
Quote from: Duplode on February 05, 2013, 07:52:14 PM
This is not a great track for Audi. Countach, or even LM002, would be much nicer...
It is not good for LM002 either. It's almost a 2 min ride at full speed... not fun at all.

As I told you earlier, it was built to be a Corvette track.
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Friker on February 05, 2013, 11:19:36 PM
Quote from: Chulk on February 05, 2013, 08:05:28 PM
Quote from: Duplode on February 05, 2013, 07:52:14 PM
This is not a great track for Audi. Countach, or even LM002, would be much nicer...
It is not good for LM002 either. It's almost a 2 min ride at full speed... not fun at all.
this track is made for PG, reaching PG in that big loop. non-PG cars are boring to ride on this track. :-/ maybe for ikarus it will be a challenge :D we could send the replays to public transport's HQs and let them see how bus drivers are driving sometimes..
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: dreadnaut on February 06, 2013, 12:08:15 AM
If it weren't for all the water, there could be different trajectories at least. This is frustration on rails  instead :-\
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Chulk on February 06, 2013, 12:36:10 AM
Quote from: Friker on February 05, 2013, 11:19:36 PM
this track is made for PG, reaching PG in that big loop. non-PG cars are boring to ride on this track.
Problem is PG cars don't have enough bonus...

Quote from: dreadnaut on February 06, 2013, 12:08:15 AM
If it weren't for all the water, there could be different trajectories at least. This is frustration on rails  instead :-\
Agreed!
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 06, 2013, 08:46:07 AM
Quote from: Friker on February 05, 2013, 11:19:36 PM
non-PG cars are boring to ride on this track. :-/

Actually it's fun with Countach. And how can be a track boring, if you have to suffer with each tiles?  :D
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 06, 2013, 10:08:53 AM
Quote from: CTG on February 06, 2013, 08:46:07 AM
Quote from: Friker on February 05, 2013, 11:19:36 PM
non-PG cars are boring to ride on this track. :-/

Actually it's fun with Countach. And how can be a track boring, if you have to suffer with each tiles?  :D

But even with Audi... Do you think it's a boring list?

1, jump out of the corkscrew to the top of the tunnel
2, complete an inner loopcut
3, reach the top speed as soon as it's possible (magic carpet lovers, come on!)
4, try to survive the concrete blocks
5, fly as flat as possible
6, survive the jump-pipe-boulevard-concrete blocks combo (not an easy one!)
7, depending on the way you choose (but of course you choose the longer and faster), try to keep enough speed to have a decent finish with smart jumps from the loops

It's not boring at all. And not because it's my own track (I had several bad tracks in the past, this is not one of them)... I would rather say it's a bit overcrowded, not really suitable for live races. And blame Meganium for the car choice! If they used Audi last month, we could have a nice Corvette race this time. ;D
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Friker on February 06, 2013, 01:37:35 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 06, 2013, 08:46:07 AM
Quote from: Friker on February 05, 2013, 11:19:36 PM
non-PG cars are boring to ride on this track. :-/

Actually it's fun with Countach. And how can be a track boring, if you have to suffer with each tiles?  :D

Quote from: CTG on February 06, 2013, 10:08:53 AM
Quote from: CTG on February 06, 2013, 08:46:07 AM
Quote from: Friker on February 05, 2013, 11:19:36 PM
non-PG cars are boring to ride on this track. :-/

Actually it's fun with Countach. And how can be a track boring, if you have to suffer with each tiles?  :D

But even with Audi... Do you think it's a boring list?

1, jump out of the corkscrew to the top of the tunnel
2, complete an inner loopcut
3, reach the top speed as soon as it's possible (magic carpet lovers, come on!)
4, try to survive the concrete blocks
5, fly as flat as possible
6, survive the jump-pipe-boulevard-concrete blocks combo (not an easy one!)
7, depending on the way you choose (but of course you choose the longer and faster), try to keep enough speed to have a decent finish with smart jumps from the loops

It's not boring at all. And not because it's my own track (I had several bad tracks in the past, this is not one of them)... I would rather say it's a bit overcrowded, not really suitable for live races. And blame Meganium for the car choice! If they used Audi last month, we could have a nice Corvette race this time. ;D

uhm, maybe Countach because of its poor handling would be fine. :)

the problem is that the track elements are hard to pass only with PG. with audi it is only about to reach a top speed soon enough and then go minute and half in 1-2 car wide corridor given by water, slalom blocks, need for right place to land at banked roads, corkscrews etc.
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 06, 2013, 03:44:29 PM
Unless you choose the shorter way. Believe me, the winner will use the brakes at least once.
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Friker on February 06, 2013, 04:10:57 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 06, 2013, 03:44:29 PM
Unless you choose the shorter way. Believe me, the winner will use the brakes at least once.
wow - now I realized that I did not use brakes. :) (edit: I used - (3 or 4)/20 of sec)
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 06, 2013, 04:21:34 PM
Quote from: Friker on February 06, 2013, 04:10:57 PM
I used - (3 or 4)/20 of sec)

LOSER! :P ;D
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: dreadnaut on February 06, 2013, 08:09:23 PM
This is the last frame of my current replay —I just love this game.
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 06, 2013, 08:33:44 PM
Here is mine.
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: zaqrack on February 07, 2013, 02:53:48 AM
This is mine.  but I am working on it :)
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 07, 2013, 08:49:13 AM
Quote from: zaqrack on February 07, 2013, 02:53:48 AM
This is mine.  but I am working on it :)

;D ;D ;D (sorry)
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Chulk on February 07, 2013, 03:55:08 PM
I'll post mine as soon as I finish the .rpl I'm working on
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 08, 2013, 01:37:37 PM
Quote from: Chulk on February 07, 2013, 03:55:08 PM
I'll post mine as soon as I finish the .rpl I'm working on

Quite a weak one, mister!
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Chulk on February 08, 2013, 07:06:50 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 08, 2013, 01:37:37 PM
Quote from: Chulk on February 07, 2013, 03:55:08 PM
I'll post mine as soon as I finish the .rpl I'm working on

Quite a weak one, mister!
I had little time, so it's almost a NoRH lap (only RH'ed when crashed or sunk)
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 08, 2013, 09:35:42 PM
It's not an excuse!!! ;D
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: adpunk on February 08, 2013, 11:15:33 PM
Man, cannot wait to get kicked out of the podium...
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Duplode on February 08, 2013, 11:39:49 PM
Quote from: adpunk on February 08, 2013, 11:15:33 PM
Man, cannot wait to get kicked out of the podium...

So that you can kick us out in return? That's the spirit! ;)
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Chulk on February 08, 2013, 11:48:09 PM
Quote from: adpunk on February 08, 2013, 11:15:33 PM
Man, cannot wait to get kicked out of the podium...
Since you're asking for it, I'll try to do it tonight... Even if I have to reveal my secret car choice before the end of the month ;)
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 09, 2013, 11:53:02 AM
Quote from: Chulk on February 08, 2013, 11:48:09 PM
Quote from: adpunk on February 08, 2013, 11:15:33 PM
Man, cannot wait to get kicked out of the podium...
Since you're asking for it, I'll try to do it tonight... Even if I have to reveal my secret car choice before the end of the month ;)

Blablabla... Audi!
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Chulk on February 09, 2013, 06:28:40 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 09, 2013, 11:53:02 AM
Quote from: Chulk on February 08, 2013, 11:48:09 PM
Quote from: adpunk on February 08, 2013, 11:15:33 PM
Man, cannot wait to get kicked out of the podium...
Since you're asking for it, I'll try to do it tonight... Even if I have to reveal my secret car choice before the end of the month ;)

Blablabla... Audi!
I actually did it with LM-002... you do the math
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: dreadnaut on February 09, 2013, 09:44:29 PM
I've tried the **** *** ******* **** ****** **** *** loop jumps a hundred times now, and managed once to reach the finish line, with a lucky bug jump. The alternative is slowing down from 213 to ~40 and take the 20s normal road, 'cause there's water everywhere and you need to bleed from your eyes before you can go the friendly way and just hop from loop to roof to loop to finish >:(

I'll outsource the last 3s of my replay to India this month, and fart in CTG's general direction.
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 09, 2013, 10:47:09 PM
It's so funny to see the efforts. The loop-loop combo seems to be harder than it is in real.
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: adpunk on February 09, 2013, 11:56:02 PM
I went thru the roof of the loop and jumped into the finish ;)
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 10, 2013, 12:02:34 AM
Quote from: dreadnaut on February 09, 2013, 09:44:29 PM
fart in CTG's general direction

How many times shall I clarify... I'M THE UNDISPUTED CHAMPION OF FARTING!!! ;D (Akoss can prove it)
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 13, 2013, 10:12:48 AM
The race is getting more and more interesting. Yellow Fleas know the hex code for magic carpets, Loopings know how to drive fast. ;D

kidding of course, although every joke has a real base
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: BonzaiJoe on February 13, 2013, 12:20:34 PM
You guys got rid of the 'Gate and the Skyline?

Man, I gotta stay more up to date with what's going on here  :(
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 13, 2013, 02:28:48 PM
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on February 13, 2013, 12:20:34 PM
You guys got rid of the 'Gate and the Skyline?

Man, I gotta stay more up to date with what's going on here  :(

I was really fond of Speedgate, but it was time to give some space to another fast custom car. Check the McLaren: the design is simply excellent!
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Friker on February 13, 2013, 06:23:45 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 13, 2013, 10:12:48 AM
The race is getting more and more interesting. Yellow Fleas know the hex code for magic carpets, Loopings know how to drive fast. ;D

kidding of course, although every joke has a real base

you hex code, we drive fast..
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 13, 2013, 07:55:55 PM
Quote from: Friker on February 13, 2013, 06:23:45 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 13, 2013, 10:12:48 AM
The race is getting more and more interesting. Yellow Fleas know the hex code for magic carpets, Loopings know how to drive fast. ;D

kidding of course, although every joke has a real base

you hex code, we drive fast..

The opposite... :P
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Chulk on February 13, 2013, 08:20:38 PM
Well... there's only one cheater we are aware of in the community active nowadays, and it's not Mr. Tomkovic...
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 13, 2013, 09:00:46 PM
Do you think I use hexeditor? :P
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Friker on February 13, 2013, 09:26:39 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 13, 2013, 09:00:46 PM
Do you think I use hexeditor? :P

i don't think you have the ability ;) :P (just joking :) )

seriously, i don't think hex editing is quicker than driving, so i don't think you hex edit.
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 13, 2013, 09:30:07 PM
Quote from: Friker on February 13, 2013, 09:26:39 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 13, 2013, 09:00:46 PM
Do you think I use hexeditor? :P

i don't think you have the ability ;) :P (just joking :) )

seriously, i don't think hex editing is quicker than driving, so i don't think you hex edit.

Well... I used it once. :D
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Chulk on February 13, 2013, 09:37:24 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 13, 2013, 09:00:46 PM
Do you think I use hexeditor? :P
I don't spend time thinking what you may or may not do. I just don't care enough to worry about it. I enjoy racing no matter if you (or anybody else in that matter) decides to cheat in order to win. I know I play clean, that's all I need ;)
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Friker on February 13, 2013, 09:43:49 PM
btw why is hex editing forbidden? it seems to me that is only another way of replay handling.. ehm.. actually - it is replay handling :)
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: alanrotoi on February 13, 2013, 10:36:32 PM
Technically it is. I tuned my car many times to reach the podium.
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 13, 2013, 10:54:53 PM
Quote from: alanrotoi on February 13, 2013, 10:36:32 PM
Technically it is. I tuned my car many times to reach the podium.

I see. That's why your rpl files crashed on my computer! ;D

Friker: hexediting has nothing to do with Stunts. But it's "only" an ethical question.
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: BonzaiJoe on February 13, 2013, 10:59:17 PM
What was the point of hex-editing, again? As a replay is only a keypress log + track and car info, wouldn't it be simpler just to go 0.05 by 0.05 while actually playing the game?
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 13, 2013, 11:09:19 PM
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on February 13, 2013, 10:59:17 PM
What was the point of hex-editing, again? As a replay is only a keypress log + track and car info, wouldn't it be simpler just to go 0.05 by 0.05 while actually playing the game?

Check biker's Z138 replay with hexeditor, especially the magic carpet series...
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Chulk on February 13, 2013, 11:18:51 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 13, 2013, 11:09:19 PM
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on February 13, 2013, 10:59:17 PM
What was the point of hex-editing, again? As a replay is only a keypress log + track and car info, wouldn't it be simpler just to go 0.05 by 0.05 while actually playing the game?

Check biker's Z138 replay with hexeditor, especially the magic carpet series...
I would just by curiosity. But I have no idea how to do it
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 13, 2013, 11:21:53 PM
Quote from: Chulk on February 13, 2013, 11:18:51 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 13, 2013, 11:09:19 PM
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on February 13, 2013, 10:59:17 PM
What was the point of hex-editing, again? As a replay is only a keypress log + track and car info, wouldn't it be simpler just to go 0.05 by 0.05 while actually playing the game?

Check biker's Z138 replay with hexeditor, especially the magic carpet series...
I would just by curiosity. But I have no idea how to do it

Total Commander, file view with F3, choose hex view. It's not that hard to find the "keypress log" in it (but Alain gave a hint several years ago, search for it).

Quote from: CTG on February 13, 2013, 09:30:07 PM
Quote from: Friker on February 13, 2013, 09:26:39 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 13, 2013, 09:00:46 PM
Do you think I use hexeditor? :P

i don't think you have the ability ;) :P (just joking :) )

seriously, i don't think hex editing is quicker than driving, so i don't think you hex edit.

Well... I used it once. :D

Thinking it over again, I used it twice. Once for editing (USL 2010, Countach), once for replay analysis (BJ's ZCT55, cutting the bridge corner).
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: alanrotoi on February 13, 2013, 11:37:46 PM
Let's create the new hexediting competition!
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: dreadnaut on February 13, 2013, 11:53:53 PM
Where you get a track and you need to hexedit a replay that reaches the end. Using Stunts to actually drive along the track is considered cheating! ;D
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Friker on February 14, 2013, 02:04:15 AM
Quote from: CTG on February 13, 2013, 10:54:53 PM
Friker: hexediting has nothing to do with Stunts. But it's "only" an ethical question.

Like building roads on water, create new meshes, tuning cars...
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Duplode on February 14, 2013, 04:27:43 AM
Quote from: Friker on February 13, 2013, 09:43:49 PM
btw why is hex editing forbidden? it seems to me that is only another way of replay handling.. ehm.. actually - it is replay handling :)

If we go down that rabbit hole, I can successfully argue that it is okay to have your team mate drive the middle third of your lap.

Quote from: Friker on February 14, 2013, 02:04:15 AM
Quote from: CTG on February 13, 2013, 10:54:53 PM
Friker: hexediting has nothing to do with Stunts. But it's "only" an ethical question.

Like building roads on water, create new meshes, tuning cars...

Surely you realize there is a difference in that the editing you mention happens before a replay is driven. If this is a conscious attempt to out-CTG CTG, you are doing great...

Quote from: CTG on February 13, 2013, 11:09:19 PM
Check biker's Z138 replay with hexeditor, especially the magic carpet series...

No comment.

Quote from: alanrotoi on February 13, 2013, 11:37:46 PM
Let's create the new hexediting competition!

:D :D It would be great fun, except that... well, it wouldn't  ;D
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 14, 2013, 08:41:20 AM
Quote from: Duplode on February 14, 2013, 04:27:43 AM
out-CTG CTG

Beautiful expression. ;D (I don't really get it anyway, but never mind.)

Quote from: Duplode on February 14, 2013, 04:27:43 AM

Quote from: CTG on February 13, 2013, 11:09:19 PM
Check biker's Z138 replay with hexeditor, especially the magic carpet series...

No comment.

Actually it's worth to check. It seems to me that magic carpets are not that random. I don't say it's possible to find a general code for it, but some keypress combos can increase the possibility of bug jumps. It's something like there is a keypress method to complete a curve with IMSA cars over 175 mph, which can be identified from hex codes.

Or the above mentioned case with ZCT55: checking the codes, BJ's replay gave me a hint how to fly over the water with Acura. I tried it 431626 times in Stunts without success, then checked the hex code, saw the steering movements and tried to adopt it. Of course I couldn't reproduce it perfectly (I know it's impossible, since the first part of the replay, therefore the coordinates, directions and speed is completely different), but the similar steering style helped me a lot - completed the jump from ~10 tries.
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Friker on February 14, 2013, 12:29:08 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 14, 2013, 08:41:20 AM
Actually it's worth to check. It seems to me that magic carpets are not that random. I don't say it's possible to find a general code for it, but some keypress combos can increase the possibility of bug jumps.

this looks very silly to me (or I am missing something). I think you know enough about magic carpets to not to tell things like these. :) keypress combos like 01 05 and 01 09? :D wow! :)

Quote from: Duplode on February 14, 2013, 04:27:43 AM
Quote from: Friker on February 13, 2013, 09:43:49 PM
btw why is hex editing forbidden? it seems to me that is only another way of replay handling.. ehm.. actually - it is replay handling :)

If we go down that rabbit hole, I can successfully argue that it is okay to have your team mate drive the middle third of your lap.

Quote from: Friker on February 14, 2013, 02:04:15 AM
Quote from: CTG on February 13, 2013, 10:54:53 PM
Friker: hexediting has nothing to do with Stunts. But it's "only" an ethical question.

Like building roads on water, create new meshes, tuning cars...

Surely you realize there is a difference in that the editing you mention happens before a replay is driven. If this is a conscious attempt to out-CTG CTG, you are doing great...

I am sorry I didn't want to mock you.  "out-CTG CTG" - a great figure of speech :)

Still no answer - why is hex editing forbidden?

And another question:
I have a replay driven up to time T I want to drive 05 05 05 29 29 09 09 09 01 01 01 (F1 heating tires procedure :) ).
plan A: take a hex editor and append it.
plan B: drive 05 05 05 05 05, rewind it 0.10, drive 29 29 09 09 09 09 09, rewind it 0.10, drive 01 01 01.
what's difference between plan A and plan B?
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 14, 2013, 12:53:47 PM
Quote from: Friker on February 14, 2013, 12:29:08 PM
Still no answer - why is RH forbidden?

Is RH forbidden?!?!? ??? ;D

Okay, you mean by hexeditor. It's not forbidden, since it can't be proved. I would call rather call it an implicit agreement between the community members. The only way to reveal such an act is when somebody admits it.
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Duplode on February 15, 2013, 02:36:12 AM
Quote from: Friker on February 14, 2013, 12:29:08 PM
Still no answer - why is hex editing forbidden?

Because it is not driving. That is the point implicit in CTG's "nothing to do with Stunts" comment. Whether it is detectable or not is of secondary importance. Consider the possibility of a team mate driving the middle third of one's replay; under normal circumstances, that is undetectable cheating as well.

("What about RH?" would be a reasonable question at this point. But RH is not allowed just because it is undetectable. Unlike hex-editing, RH still is something akin to driving performed within the confines of the game. Furthermore, RH requires zero technical knowledge to use, and so the likelihood of it being used for cheating should it be forbidden would be much higher than that of hex-editing.)

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Quote from: CTG on February 14, 2013, 08:41:20 AM
Actually it's worth to check. It seems to me that magic carpets are not that random. I don't say it's possible to find a general code for it, but some keypress combos can increase the possibility of bug jumps. It's something like there is a keypress method to complete a curve with IMSA cars over 175 mph, which can be identified from hex codes.

From the driver's seat, my impression is that while the first magic carpet in a chain is random, the following ones come more or less naturally for carpet-prone cars as long as you don't disturb the input too much. Years ago I thought of a speculative explanation for magic carpets (this post, second paragraph after the first code block (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=2273.msg41717#msg41717)) which would be consistent with what we are saying here, though I guess it is too weakly supported to be taken seriously these days.
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Friker on February 15, 2013, 11:22:08 AM
Quote from: Duplode on February 15, 2013, 02:36:12 AM
Quote from: CTG on February 14, 2013, 08:41:20 AM
Actually it's worth to check. It seems to me that magic carpets are not that random. I don't say it's possible to find a general code for it, but some keypress combos can increase the possibility of bug jumps. It's something like there is a keypress method to complete a curve with IMSA cars over 175 mph, which can be identified from hex codes.

From the driver's seat, my impression is that while the first magic carpet in a chain is random, the following ones come more or less naturally for carpet-prone cars as long as you don't disturb the input too much. Years ago I thought of a speculative explanation for magic carpets (this post, second paragraph after the first code block (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=2273.msg41717#msg41717)) which would be consistent with what we are saying here, though I guess it is too weakly supported to be taken seriously these days.

We have right tools (dumping memory) to confirm your assumptions from these days (rotation of a car at time T+1 is given only by a rotation matrix and a car's rotation at time T).
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 15, 2013, 11:27:36 AM
Whatever. Let's focus on the track!
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Duplode on February 15, 2013, 01:11:26 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 15, 2013, 11:27:36 AM
Whatever. Let's focus on the track!

It gets harder by the day with the car-track combo...
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 15, 2013, 02:07:07 PM
Quote from: Duplode on February 15, 2013, 01:11:26 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 15, 2013, 11:27:36 AM
Whatever. Let's focus on the track!

It gets harder by the day with the car-track combo...

Magic carpets in the first part (roof of the tunnel), flat loopcuts at the end. The middle 70% is boring (21x mph, flying as flat as possible, etc.).
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Chulk on February 15, 2013, 08:57:55 PM
Quote from: Duplode on February 15, 2013, 01:11:26 PM
It gets harder by the day with the car-track combo...
Yes, Dup! You made it clear you hate this track! No, sorry... that was me
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: alanrotoi on February 15, 2013, 09:13:39 PM
At least it's not a Leo Ramone's track xD
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: dreadnaut on February 16, 2013, 02:47:04 AM
Another evening wasted trying to land the last ******* jump >:(

edit: oh, it worked :P  and again another nice last frame.
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Duplode on February 16, 2013, 08:27:20 PM
Interesting last frame... mine is a little more ordinary.
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 17, 2013, 03:52:41 PM
I would like to see the 14.00 screenshots... :D
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Chulk on February 17, 2013, 09:01:22 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 17, 2013, 03:52:41 PM
I would like to see the 14.00 screenshots... :D
Considering there are only 12 drivers on track, getting 14 screenshot would be hard
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 17, 2013, 09:22:48 PM
Quote from: Chulk on February 17, 2013, 09:01:22 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 17, 2013, 03:52:41 PM
I would like to see the 14.00 screenshots... :D
Considering there are only 12 drivers on track, getting 14 screenshot would be hard

You can't be that stupid. :D
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Duplode on February 17, 2013, 10:47:19 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 17, 2013, 09:22:48 PM
Quote from: Chulk on February 17, 2013, 09:01:22 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 17, 2013, 03:52:41 PM
I would like to see the 14.00 screenshots... :D
Considering there are only 12 drivers on track, getting 14 screenshot would be hard

You can't be that stupid. :D

Or he is pretending he doesn't know what you're talking about... expecting a 51:xx now  :D
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 17, 2013, 11:16:28 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 12, 2013, 10:00:38 AM
Winning time prediction: 51.30 (NOT with Audi)

Quote from: Duplode
13:49:26 Duplode
Good to see you are back to your horrible winning time predictions, CTG.

Quote from: Duplode on February 17, 2013, 10:47:19 PM
expecting a 51:xx now  :D

Hmmmm...
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Duplode on February 17, 2013, 11:23:57 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 17, 2013, 11:16:28 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 12, 2013, 10:00:38 AM
Winning time prediction: 51.30 (NOT with Audi)

Quote from: Duplode
13:49:26 Duplode
Good to see you are back to your horrible winning time predictions, CTG.

Quote from: Duplode on February 17, 2013, 10:47:19 PM
expecting a 51:xx now  :D

Hmmmm...

Ask Chulk, not me  :P I have no idea about how he will do 51:xx  ;D
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 17, 2013, 11:30:44 PM
Quite poor fantasy from a three times champ... :D
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Duplode on February 18, 2013, 03:36:50 AM
I was mostly referring to the GTO speculation. Even if it was possible, doing that would be against my interests. I would gladly accept defeat if the price of victory was yet another quasi-Audi race this season  :o
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Chulk on February 18, 2013, 03:54:49 AM
I might be stupid 'cause I don't know what you meant by 14.00 screenshots  ;)
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 18, 2013, 07:32:12 AM
The screenshots of your replay after 14 seconds of driving. That would show how many magic carpets you did on the tunnels roof. :D
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Chulk on February 18, 2013, 03:01:33 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 18, 2013, 07:32:12 AM
The screenshots of your replay after 14 seconds of driving. That would show how many magic carpets you did on the tunnels roof. :D
My previous post was ironic, I thought you would have noticed...
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 18, 2013, 06:50:43 PM
Quote from: Chulk on February 18, 2013, 03:01:33 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 18, 2013, 07:32:12 AM
The screenshots of your replay after 14 seconds of driving. That would show how many magic carpets you did on the tunnels roof. :D
My previous post was ironic, I thought you would have noticed...

Sure. But still, I hate this kind of pretended incomprehension.
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Chulk on February 18, 2013, 08:43:13 PM
Well... pretending something ironically in "Parody" topic is not so off.
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 18, 2013, 09:15:39 PM
Quote from: Chulk on February 18, 2013, 08:43:13 PM
Well... pretending something ironically in "Parody" topic is not so off.

One beer for Chulk, please! :D
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: alanrotoi on February 18, 2013, 11:06:23 PM
Should I describe another parody of CTG?
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 18, 2013, 11:09:11 PM
Quote from: alanrotoi on February 18, 2013, 11:06:23 PM
Should I describe another parody of CTG?

Why not?

The attention whore is always interested in himself, even if it's a negative aspect.
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: alanrotoi on February 19, 2013, 01:42:03 AM
Actually that's true about AW.
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 22, 2013, 07:10:38 PM
All-wheel (drive)?
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 25, 2013, 08:36:15 AM
This week also seems to be a busy one, I won't have (too much) time to race - maybe only in the last evening. Although it worked last month... :D
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Akoss Poo a.k.a. Zorromeister on February 27, 2013, 11:23:18 AM
I'm damned angry since it's the 2nd day when I can't reproduce my last jump of my 1:21 replay...
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 27, 2013, 11:51:18 AM
Quote from: Akoss Poo on February 27, 2013, 11:23:18 AM
I'm damned angry since it's the 2nd day when I can't reproduce my last jump of my 1:21 replay...

Welcum in the club. :P
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: alanrotoi on February 28, 2013, 05:31:28 AM
This is my replays last frame :D

(http://image.gxzone.com/images/9/a/9ad71753b08.jpg)
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Chulk on February 28, 2013, 06:38:11 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtaLI74XFtU  :)
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on February 28, 2013, 08:59:47 AM
"I won't improve..." saga begins :D
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: dreadnaut on February 28, 2013, 02:04:43 PM
Quote from: alanrotoi on February 28, 2013, 05:31:28 AM
This is my replays last frame :D

Upside-down and reversed, that's impressive!
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: alanrotoi on February 28, 2013, 04:19:49 PM
Yes, it's not my second best time, so it won't be in the final archive.
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Friker on February 28, 2013, 10:02:08 PM
Quote from: alanrotoi on February 28, 2013, 04:19:49 PM
Yes, it's not my second best time, so it won't be in the final archive.
you can post it here ;)
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: alanrotoi on February 28, 2013, 10:17:14 PM
Nah, it's an average without nothing special replay.
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Friker on February 28, 2013, 10:34:54 PM
Quote from: alanrotoi on February 28, 2013, 10:17:14 PM
Nah, it's an average without nothing special replay.
that last frame looks very special :) i would like to watch it - i like wierd bugs :)
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: alanrotoi on February 28, 2013, 10:39:08 PM
Ok asap I'm at home I'll post it here.

BTW I'm alone in the chat, come people! For the live update!
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: alanrotoi on March 01, 2013, 12:10:43 AM
I guess it's this replay
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on March 01, 2013, 09:50:13 AM
Quote from: alanrotoi on March 01, 2013, 12:10:43 AM
I guess it's this replay

Smart dual-way switching. I was also thinking on that, but my manual drive magic carpet generator is not as effective as the automatized version of YF and MAH. ;D
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Friker on March 01, 2013, 12:35:25 PM
Quote from: CTG on March 01, 2013, 09:50:13 AM
Quote from: alanrotoi on March 01, 2013, 12:10:43 AM
I guess it's this replay

Smart dual-way switching. I was also thinking on that, but my manual drive magic carpet generator is not as effective as the automatized version of YF and MAH. ;D
When I saw it I thought you did it and overtook me. I don't know why I thought it's not possible to jump that.. :-/
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Chulk on March 01, 2013, 01:44:55 PM
Quote from: Friker on March 01, 2013, 12:35:25 PM
Quote from: CTG on March 01, 2013, 09:50:13 AM
Quote from: alanrotoi on March 01, 2013, 12:10:43 AM
I guess it's this replay

Smart dual-way switching. I was also thinking on that, but my manual drive magic carpet generator is not as effective as the automatized version of YF and MAH. ;D
When I saw it I thought you did it and overtook me. I don't know why I thought it's not possible to jump that.. :-/
It didn't save time anyway... I had my final replay both ways and taking the outter way turned out faster in my replay. Touching the grass before carpeting took away some speed, I think that's why it wasn't faster
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Friker on March 01, 2013, 02:30:44 PM
Quote from: Chulk on March 01, 2013, 01:44:55 PM
Quote from: Friker on March 01, 2013, 12:35:25 PM
Quote from: CTG on March 01, 2013, 09:50:13 AM
Quote from: alanrotoi on March 01, 2013, 12:10:43 AM
I guess it's this replay

Smart dual-way switching. I was also thinking on that, but my manual drive magic carpet generator is not as effective as the automatized version of YF and MAH. ;D
When I saw it I thought you did it and overtook me. I don't know why I thought it's not possible to jump that.. :-/
It didn't save time anyway... I had my final replay both ways and taking the outter way turned out faster in my replay. Touching the grass before carpeting took away some speed, I think that's why it wasn't faster
another possibility is to take the Renato's line ;)
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Chulk on March 01, 2013, 02:32:36 PM
Quote from: Friker on March 01, 2013, 02:30:44 PM
another possibility is to take the Renato's line ;)
I hate you all, I wanted you to know that!
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Friker on March 01, 2013, 02:41:32 PM
Quote from: Chulk on March 01, 2013, 02:32:36 PM
Quote from: Friker on March 01, 2013, 02:30:44 PM
another possibility is to take the Renato's line ;)
I hate you all, I wanted you to know that!
yeah, we like you, too. :)
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Friker on March 02, 2013, 12:17:03 AM
CTG, you should do a section time analysis! :)
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on March 02, 2013, 12:22:38 AM
Quote from: Friker on March 02, 2013, 12:17:03 AM
CTG, you should do a section time analysis! :)

Why me? I won't be here in the next few days.
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Chulk on March 02, 2013, 12:40:20 AM
Quote from: CTG on March 02, 2013, 12:22:38 AM
Quote from: Friker on March 02, 2013, 12:17:03 AM
CTG, you should do a section time analysis! :)

Why me? I won't be here in the next few days.
Because if you don't do it, Duplode will have to...
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on March 02, 2013, 12:43:30 AM
Quote from: Chulk on March 02, 2013, 12:40:20 AM
Quote from: CTG on March 02, 2013, 12:22:38 AM
Quote from: Friker on March 02, 2013, 12:17:03 AM
CTG, you should do a section time analysis! :)

Why me? I won't be here in the next few days.
Because if you don't do it, Duplode will have to...

Or anybody else having more free time than DUP or me.
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Friker on March 02, 2013, 05:35:46 PM
Quote from: CTG on March 02, 2013, 12:43:30 AM
Quote from: Chulk on March 02, 2013, 12:40:20 AM
Quote from: CTG on March 02, 2013, 12:22:38 AM
Quote from: Friker on March 02, 2013, 12:17:03 AM
CTG, you should do a section time analysis! :)

Why me? I won't be here in the next few days.
Because if you don't do it, Duplode will have to...

Or anybody else having more free time than DUP or me.
Blah, blah, blah.. Don't tell us that you have not a time. ;)
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Duplode on March 03, 2013, 10:25:43 PM
Here it is - top 9 analysis.

Splits:

RBK FRI DUP CTG AKP DRE CHU ABU ROT
1 18.55 18.65 19.2 19.05 19.25 19.8 20.6 20.4 21.85
2 38.6 38.75 39.4 39.25 39.8 40.15 41.6 41.2 42.85
3 58.65 59.05 59.6 59.45 59.85 60.75 61.85 61.65 63.3
4 73.15 74.35 74.8 74.55 75 76.4 77.25 76.9 77.95
5 77.6 78.85 79.5 79.55 80.05 81.5 82.15 82.35 82.85


Sectors:

RBK FRI DUP CTG AKP DRE CHU ABU ROT
1 18.55 18.65 19.2 19.05 19.25 19.8 20.6 20.4 21.85
2 20.05 20.1 20.2 20.2 20.55 20.35 21 20.8 21
3 20.05 20.3 20.2 20.2 20.05 20.6 20.25 20.45 20.45
4 14.5 15.3 15.2 15.1 15.15 15.65 15.4 15.25 14.65
5 4.45 4.5 4.7 5 5.05 5.1 4.9 5.45 4.9


Reverse gaps:

RBK FRI DUP CTG AKP DRE CHU ABU ROT
1 0 -0.1 -0.65 -0.5 -0.7 -1.25 -2.05 -1.85 -3.3
2 0 -0.15 -0.8 -0.65 -1.2 -1.55 -3 -2.6 -4.25
3 0 -0.4 -0.95 -0.8 -1.2 -2.1 -3.2 -3 -4.65
4 0 -1.2 -1.65 -1.4 -1.85 -3.25 -4.1 -3.75 -4.8
5 0 -1.25 -1.9 -1.95 -2.45 -3.9 -4.55 -4.75 -5.25


More boring than expected. I overtook CTG at the final cut, and Chulk did the same to AbuRaf; other than that there were no overtakes after the first sector. Furthermore, Renato had all the best sectors, with only Akoss managing to match him on the third one. There is one interesting point about sector 4, however...

Quote from: Chulk on March 01, 2013, 01:44:55 PM
It didn't save time anyway... I had my final replay both ways and taking the outter way turned out faster in my replay. Touching the grass before carpeting took away some speed, I think that's why it wasn't faster

That doesn't seem right now - not only Renato's dual-way cut at sector 4 was rather similar to Rotoi's, only more acrobatic, but Alan had the second best fourth sector, only 0.15s behind Renato. For most of the involved pipsqueaks that would be enough for gaining one or two positions...
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: CTG on March 04, 2013, 08:58:22 AM
Conclusion: Poo is a piece of rusty crap. :D :P

(he'll kick my ass with lm002)
Title: Re: ZCT 139 - Parody
Post by: Friker on March 04, 2013, 09:09:09 AM
Thank you, Duplode. :)