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Title: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: CTG on September 02, 2013, 09:38:51 PM
The usual stuff...

1:41.70 - Porsche Carrera 4
1:29.55 - Lancia Delta Integrale
1:28.25 - Lamborghini Countach
1:22.20 - Jaguar XJR9 IMSA

1:17.90 - Melange XGT-88
1:15.95 - Lamborghini LM002
1:12.30 - Acura NSX
1:10.60 - Porsche 962 IMSA
1:05.20 - Lotus Esprit Turbo
1:04.50 - Audi Quattro Sport
1:04.50 - Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
1:04.50 - Ferrari F40
1:00.60 - Ferrari GTO
58.25 - LWT-ZR1 GT3 Mark II
57.70 - Porsche March Indy
48.80 - McLaren Honda MP4/4
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: CTG on September 03, 2013, 08:12:04 PM
The three different lines are excellent and well-balanced. But still, the usual dual-way mistake...  ::)
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: dreadnaut on September 03, 2013, 09:48:28 PM
I didn't drive that way though, dual-switch but no 'wrong way'.
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: Akoss Poo on September 03, 2013, 09:55:07 PM
I've carefully read all the rules, but nothing restricts dual-way possibility using. As for the track design, it is an unlucky one...
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: dreadnaut on September 03, 2013, 10:05:04 PM
But as in ZCT136 (http://zak.stunts.hu/index.php?page=results&season=2012&track=C136) (thread (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=2806.0)) the straight "drive until first junction, reverse and go back to last junction, then drive through line" solution might be a bit too cheap.
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: CTG on September 03, 2013, 10:22:00 PM
I didn't drive that way though, dual-switch but no 'wrong way'.

cork ---> loop, evident
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: dreadnaut on September 03, 2013, 10:26:24 PM
I didn't drive that way though, dual-switch but no 'wrong way'.

cork ---> loop, evident

Nope, sorry, but I'm sure you'll find it.
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: Akoss Poo on September 03, 2013, 11:12:12 PM
update...

Pink: Indy way
Yellow: IMSA or Indy (or Carrera?)
Red: forbidden fruit
White: Biker

This track would be well at home in the 2002 calendar... lot of tracks like this in that year...
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: CTG on September 03, 2013, 11:28:53 PM
update again...

Pink: Indy way
Yellow: IMSA or Indy (or Carrera?)
Red: forbidden fruit
White: a noble option
Black: Biker / CTG
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: CTG on September 03, 2013, 11:47:27 PM
See the poll (only the confirmed votes should be accepted).

My choice: no switch at all.
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: dreadnaut on September 04, 2013, 12:04:25 AM
There, now you got it :) My line was the black one.

I'd have banned though, it would make the race quite boring, just like red and the similar ones.
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: CTG on September 04, 2013, 12:05:28 AM
There, now you got it :) My line was the black one.

Just like Biker's, Poo's and mine (now :D).
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: Duplode on September 04, 2013, 03:32:50 AM
I voted for no dual-way switching, even though banning it now is not a great outcome either. As long as red was banned, I'd rather abstain - but that would be an useless choice, so...
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: Chulk on September 04, 2013, 04:38:46 AM
I would vote "only white" and "none", but as I only get 1 vote I'll go for "only white" as it looks "acceptable" somehow
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: CTG on September 04, 2013, 07:59:12 AM
I would vote "only white"...

I'll go for "only white" as it looks "acceptable"...

OFF: I always knew it's somewhere in you, fuckin' racist!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: CTG on September 04, 2013, 08:03:00 AM
ZCT 146 replays so far (strikethrough: dual-way misery):

Akoss Poo 0:48.36  Jaguar XJR9 IMSA auto 2013-09-03 18:27
Akoss Poo 0:48.03  Jaguar XJR9 IMSA auto 2013-09-03 18:37
Akoss Poo 0:43.07  Jaguar XJR9 IMSA manual 2013-09-03 18:47
CTG 0:49.26  Porsche Carrera 4 auto 2013-09-03 19:12
CTG 0:52.93  Lancia Delta Integrale auto 2013-09-03 19:12
CTG 0:57.45  Lancia Delta Integrale auto 2013-09-03 19:12
CTG 0:55.04  Lancia Delta Integrale auto 2013-09-03 19:12
CTG 0:47.43  Porsche Carrera 4 auto 2013-09-03 19:13
CTG 0:46.63  Porsche Carrera 4 auto 2013-09-03 19:13

dreadnaut 0:38.46  Melange XGT-88 manual 2013-09-03 19:14 - black line
CTG 0:42.65  Porsche Carrera 4 manual 2013-09-03 19:18
CTG 0:31.12  Porsche Carrera 4 auto 2013-09-03 19:21 - red line
CTG 0:41.27  Porsche Carrera 4 manual 2013-09-03 20:32
CTG 0:42.52  Jaguar XJR9 IMSA manual 2013-09-03 20:51

CTG 0:28.06  Jaguar XJR9 IMSA auto 2013-09-03 20:58 - red line
CTG 0:29.38  Porsche Carrera 4 auto 2013-09-03 20:59 - red line
CTG 0:40.50  Porsche March Indy manual 2013-09-03 22:40 - orange line
CTG 0:34.38  Melange XGT-88 auto 2013-09-03 23:11 - black line
Renato Biker 0:33.76  Jaguar XJR9 IMSA manual 2013-09-03 23:12 - black line
CTG 0:42.00  McLaren Honda MP4/4 auto 2013-09-03 23:16 - black line
CTG 0:11.46  Jaguar XJR9 IMSA auto 2013-09-03 23:18 - unfinished replay (sorry)
CTG 0:33.21  Jaguar XJR9 IMSA auto 2013-09-03 23:19   - black line
CTG 0:36.63  Porsche Carrera 4 auto 2013-09-03 23:24   - black line
Akoss Poo 0:33.90  Jaguar XJR9 IMSA auto 2013-09-03 23:35   - black line
Renato Biker 0:36.60  Porsche Carrera 4 manual 2013-09-03 23:35   - black line
Akoss Poo 0:32.30  Jaguar XJR9 IMSA auto 2013-09-03 23:37   - black line
CTG 0:32.08  Jaguar XJR9 IMSA auto 2013-09-03 23:58   - black line
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: CTG on September 04, 2013, 08:53:13 AM
The best solution is to avoid dual-way parts in the first third of the tracks.

Should we declare such an unwritten rule (or advice) for track designers? Unfortunately both Zak and me used to fall in the same mistake every year... ;D
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: zaqrack on September 04, 2013, 09:35:57 AM
Code: [Select]
CTG 0:42.65  Porsche Carrera 4 manual 2013-09-03 19:18
CTG 0:41.27  Porsche Carrera 4 manual 2013-09-03 20:32
CTG 0:42.52  Jaguar XJR9 IMSA manual 2013-09-03 20:51

these were deleted by accident, please resubmit. I will correct the timestamp so you get leading time.
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: zaqrack on September 04, 2013, 09:36:42 AM
The best solution is to avoid dual-way parts in the first third of the tracks.

Should we declare such an unwritten rule (or advice) for track designers? Unfortunately both Zak and me used to fall in the same mistake every year... ;D

we should code it into the track validation routine in Stunts :)
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: BonzaiJoe on September 04, 2013, 10:43:44 AM
I generally find dual-way switching thrilling. It should be banned on this track because it kills the race, but only as a 'special rule'.
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: Akoss Poo on September 04, 2013, 11:10:58 AM
I generally find dual-way switching thrilling. It should be banned on this track because it kills the race, but only as a 'special rule'.

That was exactly my thought. If dual-way switching is banned on this track, it should only be a 'special rule' for only this track.
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: Duplode on September 04, 2013, 05:04:54 PM
I generally find dual-way switching thrilling. It should be banned on this track because it kills the race, but only as a 'special rule'.

That was exactly my thought. If dual-way switching is banned on this track, it should only be a 'special rule' for only this track.

Of course, dual-way switching is part of Stunts. That, however, shouldn't mean we have to lose good non-switching dual-way tracks like Z127 and Z146. There is no general solution to this issue - for instance, I speculated about the possibility of having a rule such as "it is forbidden to drive in the wrong way through the shared sector (i.e. the one with the start/finish line) to dual-way switch)"; under a strict interpretation, however, that would make my Z79 lap illegal, not to mention it wouldn't affect many of the problematic cuts in the tracks we are discussing.

The best solution is to avoid dual-way parts in the first third of the tracks.

Should we declare such an unwritten rule (or advice) for track designers? Unfortunately both Zak and me used to fall in the same mistake every year... ;D

we should code it into the track validation routine in Stunts :)

Maybe as a warning - "This track may require ad hoc rule changes"  :) If we could modify the pathfinding routines, the pipe dream would be an option to add penalty time when dual-way switching, turned off by default.
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: alanrotoi on September 04, 2013, 06:48:22 PM
I generally find dual-way switching thrilling. It should be banned on this track because it kills the race, but only as a 'special rule'.

I agree with this.
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: CTG on September 05, 2013, 12:44:56 PM
Another track infected by Leadingtimo Bikeritis virus...
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: CTG on September 10, 2013, 09:13:46 AM
Oh, that fuckin' cork... >:(
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: CTG on September 10, 2013, 09:14:04 AM
Not Cork, cork! ;D
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: Akoss Poo on September 18, 2013, 07:02:00 PM
Another track infected by Leadingtimo Bikeritis virus...

If there hadn't been for him, you'd do exactly the same. It probably hurts, but nobody can catch the pipsqueak named 'Renato Biker'.
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: CTG on September 18, 2013, 08:00:28 PM
Another track infected by Leadingtimo Bikeritis virus...

If there hadn't been for him, you'd do exactly the same. It probably hurts, but nobody can catch the pipsqueak named 'Renato Biker'.

I just need a new lap - but I don't have time and motivation to complete it before the quiet days.
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: alanrotoi on September 22, 2013, 08:02:35 PM
Ouch, I found a way for motivating. Just read the shoutbox messages from a track you liked. :D
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: CTG on September 27, 2013, 11:00:23 AM
So, who will choose the straight way? It's clearly the fastest, if you can do the banked road - hillside - cork up/down part without 18 seconds penalty.
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: CTG on September 29, 2013, 02:29:18 AM
RPLInfo online is out of order & the hidden replay option disappeared...
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: dreadnaut on September 29, 2013, 03:03:45 PM
RPLInfo online is out of order & the hidden replay option disappeared...
RPLInfo was my fault, it should be working now. I haven't touched the "send replay" page though, but the QuietDays function said no for some reason. Replaced, should work now.
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: CTG on September 30, 2013, 08:27:37 AM
Thanks! Of course I did not use the hidden replay option, it was just a notification to help others. ;D
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: CTG on October 03, 2013, 05:53:59 PM
No official replay confirmation yet. Here is mine.
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: alanrotoi on October 03, 2013, 08:58:33 PM
downloaded 0 times.
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: CTG on October 03, 2013, 09:07:26 PM
It was uploaded as a confirmation. :P
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: alanrotoi on October 03, 2013, 09:44:08 PM
Then why you download your own replay?  ;D Funny.
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: CTG on October 03, 2013, 10:16:03 PM
Then why you download your own replay?  ;D Funny.

You did it.
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: alanrotoi on October 04, 2013, 02:25:12 AM
I mean it was the same as before. I said: "Mingva's profile has more views" then you clicked 2000 times in yours to have more. Now I say "downloaded 0 times" then click and download it.

What drives you to do those things? :D
Title: Re: ZCT 146 - Rating Plate
Post by: CTG on October 04, 2013, 07:55:58 AM
I mean it was the same as before. I said: "Mingva's profile has more views" then you clicked 2000 times in yours to have more.

A shot right into CTG's megalomaniac heart!