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Guys, talking about the dual-way switching in the shoutbox, I started to think of whether it was known by the online Stunts community since inception or if somebody brought it later and then, how other tricks or ideas came up, in which tournaments, which was the first track that had this or that, etc. So I wanted to share my part for the record and if anybody else would like to tell about themselves, it'd be nice.

How I met Stunts
I first met Stunts in late March or early April 1993, shortly after I got my first computer, a 386DX 60MHz. I had no games in my new computer and a friend at school told me he had many and that he could copy some to me. You see, in Argentina, in the 90s, not only piracy was very common (as it is in most of the world), but really there wasn't any other way to get software and most of us didn't even know what we were doing was piracy. So my friend came to my place with a big box of 5 1/4" diskettes and passed me about 20 games, including Stunts, which became one of my favourites.

My early view of the game[/n]
I remember I found Stunts very hard to handle, so I was extremely careful and slow. My playing mostly consisted in being able to get to the end of the track in one piece. I really wasn't concerned about the lap time. I would always use automatic and I almost always used fast cars. I couldn't see the point in slow cars, I didn't understand them. Indy was the one I used the most and sometimes P962 or Jaguar. I used to build very long tracks with obstacles with the purpose of the pipsqueak not surviving. For a long time, I didn't know that the terrain could be edited, but I found PowerGear relatively soon. Very much at the beginning, I used to race against the computer, but that soon became to easy, so another thing I liked doing was creating awesome crashes, some including the opponent, and saving the replays.

While playing with a friend of mine, we accidentally came across PowerGear from time to time. He was the one who realised how to make it happen at will. Because his surname was "Dantas", we called this trick "Velocidad de Dantas" (meaning "Dantas' speed"). This was probably in late 1993. I had been poking at the binary data in the tracks for some time with a binary viewer I had made and noticed two things: one was that replay files contained the whole track and another, that tracks contained the terrain, not just a terrain number, as I supposed. The first discovery led me to create a program to extract tracks from replays. The second, made me think of building a terrain editor, but before doing that, I had the strong suspicion that this could be done within Stunts. One day, while I was at my friend's house (the same friend), I guessed that SHIFT+F1 should put the editor in terrain editing mode. Because we didn't give much importance to lap times, I didn't care about penalty time and so, I only knew about some tricks from the community.

Online community
I remember having found a Stunts tournament but not trying it very early. Perhaps still in the late 90s. I don't remember what the site was like, so I can't tell which it was, but it wasn't ZakStunts or WSC. At some point of 2005, my younger brother (known in the community as Nach) was part of the forum "La Cueva de los Clásicos" of which Paleke and AbuRaf70, among others, were members too. I think it was through him that I got to that forum and from there, to Paleke's WSC. We participated in the rest of that season and the whole of the next. There we learned to really race. In WSC, the official car was always Indy, so that part didn't change for us. The tracks usually did not have splits and besides, with the OWOOT rules, something like dual-way switching would have been considered invalid, so I was still unaware of that. Through Paleke, I found ZakStunts and registered, but I liked OWOOT better than free-style at that time so I didn't participate much in ZakStunts. In 2009, I wanted to make a come-back, but there was no more WSC, so I became active in ZakStunts and everything else I learned here.

My contribution as a programmer
In 2006, while I was participating in WSC, I started writing my own track editor, which used the same graphics as the internal one and ran in DOS. I showed it to Paleke, but never published it. It was far from complete. I called it "Castunts". The most interesting feature it had was the terrain brush that is now present in Bliss, although it was more buggy. In 2010, I tried to find a permanent solution to the issue of NoRH verification. For this purpose, I created a DOS program called Vizcacha, but I found that it didn't behave the same way from a computer to another, so I had to give it up. The community gave me a hand testing it. In early 2015, I was planning to come back to ZakStunts after a hiatus, but didn't want to return empty handed, so I started to build a new editor that could run natively in Linux, DOS and Windows. The first version was called Cas-Stunts 2.0 (because of the old Castunts) and was released on 7 March 2015. On 5 Octover 2016, for release 2.4.4, the project name was changed to Bliss.

... and as a competition host
From middle October till late November 2016, I hosted Race for Immortality, a single race on the track called Bliss, with the purpose of registering the lap times of the pipsqueaks that wanted to participate so that they could be use for time estimations by the Bliss editor for every track. Everybody had to use Porsche March Indy and it was an OWOOT race. Perhaps a couple of months later, I started hosting Race for Kicks, with rules similar to those of WSC, but there wasn't a complete season; just a few isolated tracks. The tournament is currently in hiatus as of May 2018.

I'm interested in...
I would like to know if there's a topic or a graphic with the different competitions in choronological order or a history of how each formed, when and by whom. The wiki does have a lot of info about this, so I figure I could try to reconstruct this, but a more personal, subjective insight would be interesting to read. Also, what was the knowledge of tricks like PowerGear or dual-way switching when the community was formed, if there were other names for these tricks, how we ended up agreeing on these ones, etc. Anything historical, like... Let's make as if we were about to write a book about the Stunts community XD

Competition 2017 / ZCT195 - Who built this thing?
« on: October 05, 2017, 03:51:07 AM »
Well, this is the first time I open the topic for a track. Duplode, if I forget something, feel free to edit. Here I go: :)
As usual for my tracks, this is a fast and crazy circuit, in which I've tried to include as many stunt combinations as I could. I made sure that wherever you are, you always see something around, be it scenery or stunts from another part of the track. I had estimated that the car of the race was going to be Jaguar, so I made sure the double-jump could be performed with it. Lotus seems like another plausible option, although you'd have to skip the jump.

After the race start, I realised GAR was going to be difficult. When I tried to make a GAR lap, I had a hard time. If I go carefully, trying not to crash, then I don't have enough speed for the double-jump when I get there. That's the main thing. But I think you guys are more experienced than I am and you'll manage to make it :p

Stunts Forum & Portal / Dark backgrounds
« on: February 02, 2017, 09:49:58 PM »
Hey, guys... is there any way I can set up my account in Stunts Forum to display with a dark background theme?  I don't tolerate bright light very well, so I choose dark background whenever I can (my desktop wallpaper, my console emulator, the sites and programs I create, etc.), but nowadays, everything's so bright online!  I'm glad the ZakStunts site isn't like that.

Stunts Chat / My old tracks
« on: February 01, 2017, 05:44:18 AM »
It's already been about three times that Marco and I mentioned to each other that we have old tracks that we've made long before the Stunts online community was born, nearer the time when Stunts first came up. So well, here are some of mine. I have a lot more, but I'll share three for now, for all of you, specially for Marco!

These three are very typical examples of the way I used to build tracks back then. It was 1993 and 1994. My driving skills were not good and I certainly was not fast, ha, ha. I used to make tracks with the idea not of trying to get a new record, but making it difficult to survive the track. So they were usually very long and contained many stunts... completely inadequate for racing. I also liked exploiting track element combinations and creating split points that would take you to a trap :P  Madryn and Terror are older tracks. You can see I still had not figured out I could change the terrain. Cities was created later.

While selecting among my tracks to post here, I found that one (called "Newdies") is of a reasonable length to be raced (although it also contains a number of very long alternative paths). I may post it later if we'd race it.

Stunts Chat / After Race For Immortality
« on: November 18, 2016, 03:57:04 AM »
Less than two weeks remain till the end of R4I (which is due next 28 November, at 00:00 UTC, that is, non-inclusive) and I'm very happy that many of you guys have participated. I'm thinking about what I should do once the race is finished.

  • I would most likely continue in an OWOOT-based style, although the particular rules may change. I can be more or less strict on it, but I would like to know your preferences.
  • As regards NoRH, I want to implement a system so that you don't have to use two pipsqueak names. I could create two scoreboards for now. I would like to make a single scoreboard and grant 10% for NoRH replays, but in order to do that, I think it's essential to first provide a method of verification. What do you guys think?
  • In the previous thread about R4I, I proposed a variation of OWOOT called NAWOG. Also, Alan Rotoi proposed a hunting concept. If there would be interested in these things, I would consider it too, same as any other concept that would be proposed.
  • I could retain the name Race For Immortality despite the fact that only this particular race will go to Bliss estimation scoreboards. Otherwise, I could come up with a new name. Opinions?

Stunts Chat / Bliss - Race for Immortality
« on: October 19, 2016, 03:34:42 AM »
As I've mentioned in ZakStunts's chat, I've created a single-race parallel tournament. It's called "Race for Immortality" (Copyright(C) - Duplode 2016 :P) because the results obtained from this race will be placed in Bliss Editor time estimation table in the "famous pipsqueaks" section. Because the results need to serve the purpose of measuring the length of a track and of estimating the time it'd take for each famous pipsqueak on other tracks, this race has to be OWOOT (otherwise, shortcuts would make this estimation completely random). Also, since time estimations in Bliss are based on Porsche March Indy, this is the chosen car for the race. I think the track I made is probably too hard for NoRH, but if you dare try it that way, it would be very interesting to have both results :)

To join the tournament, go to the Bliss racing website and register your pipsqueak name and password near the bottom of the page. Download the track and race it until you obtain a valid replay, as usual, then post it by entering your pipsqueak name and password and uploading the replay just above the pipsqueak registration box.

How the high score table works: Your time will automatically be submitted as "pending" meaning the verification is pending. If you submit any other replay while your current one is pending, it will be replaced with the new one, even if it is worse. When I come online, I'll go to the administration panel and check the replays. If a replay is valid, I'll set it as "verified", which you will be able to see in the scoreboard. At this point, if you submit another replay, both will be visible. It is only your pending replay that will be replaced if you send another one. Once I verify the new replay, it will become verified and the older one will be removed from the table.

Specific rules: You must race with Porsche March Indy, either manual or automatic. This race is OWOOT, meaning exactly that (one wheel on or over the track at all times). The "wheel" of a corkscrew or loop are considered part of the track, as well as the pavement inside a tunnel, so these stunts must be executed and can't be skipped. You can, however, jump over the boulevard in the middle of the highway as long as one wheel remains on or over the pavement. Going through slalom "stones" is not allowed. Penalty time is not allowed either. It would ruin the purpose of measuring for which this track was designed. Replay handling is allowed, but read below.

About replay handling: Because replay handling does not mess with the stunt timings, it is allowed. However, it would be very interesting to see the differences between RH and NoRH. If you are going to race with NoRH, register as pipsqueak name + "NoRH". If you will race with both systems, create two pipsqueak profiles. For example, I will be "Cas" and "Cas NoRH". Post your replays with the corresponding pipsqueak name. In the future, I may adapt the system to better handle these things, if there's another race.

Finally, I will feel very honoured if the legends of the Stunts community participate in my race :)  Just like the Bliss editor, this race is made for you, guys, so if there's anything you'd like to suggest or criticise, do it.

I remember when I offered my track 4AM.TRK to be raced on ZakStunts, there was a problem downloading it. It turned out it was because the file had an overlay I had created back in 2006 when I designed it. It had to be truncated so pipsqueaks could download it. So I assume ZakStunts still does not support track files with overlays.

Now I'm planning to add to my editor Cas-Stunts an option to add meta-data to tracks. My idea is to place this meta-data as an overlay just after the track data in track files, but I'm concerned this will interfere with ZakStunts. Of course, you will still be able to edit tracks without the meta-data, but if ZakStunts could detect this and truncate the file automatically when processing it, or better, actually read the meta-data, it would be much better.

I know for a fact that Stunts does not complain about TRK files having overlays. My idea is to include information such as a long track title, author's name, creation date, editing time, suggested car and other championship oriented information. If we could agree on a format, ZakStunts could even display this info. For example, you would not need to manually enter the track title. The file could be named ZCTxxx.TRK and still contain a title that would be automatically displayed on the site.

What do you guys think?.... Zak?  Dreadnaut?  ::)

Stunts Related Programs / Bliss / Cas-Stunts track editor
« on: March 08, 2015, 01:16:12 AM »
Hi, folks!  I had been off for a long time and recently visited the forum, found it still very active, so I decided if I wanted to come back, better not do it empty-handed!  Then, I started to work on a new track editor and here I'm bringing you the first beta version. I hope you like it. I'm still working on it, so please do tell me of any bug or general suggestion.

Current latest version: Bliss 2.5.4
Download from site:
Supports GNU/Linux 32bit and 64bit, Windows, FreeDOS and DOSBox
I'm unable to upload the ZIP file directly to the forum because it's larger than 1MB. Please feel free to host a copy of Bliss in your sites, guys, so there are as many places to download it from as possible.

Stunts Chat / Stunts forgets my settings
« on: March 07, 2015, 08:55:05 PM »
People. I had another copy of Stunts 1.1 in the past that didn't do this, but the one I'm using now, I'm pretty sure I downloaded from here, so maybe you can give me a hint. The thing is that, whenever I enter the game, it's always set up to not show any scenery. I can disable it, but my settings are not saved, so if I exit and reenter, I need to change the setting once more. Any way around that?

Stunts Forum & Portal / I've been off for a long time! Any OWOOT?
« on: March 07, 2015, 08:52:37 PM »
Hey, guys!  Nice to see you all again here!! :D
Maybe you don't even remember by now. I was wondering if any of the currently running competitions is a OWOOT, to give it a try. In my times, I used to play on WSC. Not that I haven't been to the forum since, but almost... :P

El bar de Joe / Hola
« on: July 11, 2011, 07:39:44 AM »
Acá ando, aunque ahora jugando desde la compu portátil no es igual de cómodo. ¿Cómo están?

Stunts Code Extraction / I think I resolved the old NORH problem
« on: August 15, 2009, 11:40:36 AM »
Guys, I've been lost for so long that I don't know if there's already anything better... there's so much I have to read!  I think you were using videos to verify the NORH races so far and that had some problems, like you could not run Stunts from pure DOS and that you might edit the videos... whatever. Today, I believe, I have found a simple solution to prove that a replay was recorded without RH. The idea came to me several years ago, but it seemed too complicated to accomplish. Now I'm surprised I've solved most of it in four nights. I hope this is still useful.

What I attach is my program Vizcacha (pipsqueak version). I will not publish the tournament administrator version here, but I have e-mailed it to Duplode. You can also e-mail me and ask for it. The program still needs some work, but already does the trick. It inhibits the "Continue Driving" and "Load RPL" options. Please do try it and tell me how it works, report bugs or suggest anything if you're interested. Thank you all for working so hard for Stunts :)  I hope my little contribution is worth it!

Car creation with Stressed / Stressed for Linux and DOS?
« on: August 12, 2009, 07:25:42 AM »
Hey... is there any chance that Stressed can be developed for Linux (I use Ubuntu, for example) and/or DOS?

Stunts Forum & Portal / Back, as much as I can :)
« on: August 09, 2009, 11:51:32 AM »

   I'm currently in New Zealand. Some time ago, I thought I'd have time to start racing again, but many things happen. I will be staying here for one year. I don't know how much time I will have for Stunts, but I've seen there are so many new things that I would sure want to participate. As I say, maybe I can't be that constant, but you will sure hear of me here this time.
   I have been reading all of your replies, guys, on my last post, which was a long time ago, and I was so happy to see so many of you remembering me! :D  Of course I have to participate with what I can. Thank you all for your welcome messages. Now I have a few questions about what has been going on:

1 - There's a tool to build your own cars and as far as I see, you can even shape them yourself!  Unfortunately it won't run on my computer, but I can see the cars built with it.  Do you know if the specs for the 3D Shape files are publicly known?
2 - Does this tool also allow for building new track items?

Stunts Code Extraction / I'm back!
« on: January 12, 2009, 04:09:08 AM »
People who remember me... I'm back!
I don't really have a lot of time, but I'd like to participate with what I can. I'm right now taking a look at the forum to see what's going on. :)
I apologize if this topic is quite useless... but this is exactly what I needed to post, that I'm back and want to continue. I'm not going to be posting useless stuff everyday, I promise!  I had been offline for over a year.
I'll be gathering all the work I had been doing on disassembling Stunts and building applications for it and post anything useful I can find. If anybody wants to remind me of something or ask me for something... or just tell me how you are... I'll be very happy to read it.

Hello back to you all, good people! :)

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