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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #345 on: March 25, 2013, 03:06:23 PM »
I'd also recommend using 0.5-0.5 (0.33-0.33-0.33) points if there are multiple best estimators for a question (this should be applied for all previous rounds as well).

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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #346 on: March 25, 2013, 03:39:55 PM »

And if there's a tie for the first place, I recommend using 7-7 questions from both winners (5-5 if there are three winners). Thus, the tied winner could complere half a (one third) round as well.

That's too much of a mess.

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I'd also recommend using 0.5-0.5 (0.33-0.33-0.33) points if there are multiple best estimators for a question (this should be applied for all previous rounds as well).

Yes, this is obvious. I don't see why some questions should be worth twice as much as the others. The game is about coming closest to the answer. "Closest" means closer than everyone else. If you and another person have the same answer, you were not closer than the others. You were equally close. You weren't as good as someone who was closer than everyone else.

An easy example to demonstrate that the current system is nonsense and unfair:

How long is blablablablabla? Answer: 24 m

A: 19
B: 19
C: 19
D: 19
E: 19
F: 19
G: 18

Now A, B, C, D, E and F each get 1 point, but G gets 0 points. This means that G loses a lot in the overall standings (because not only one person, but several people are awarded more points than him), which he would not have lost if the others had different guesses, even if their guesses had been closer to the actual answer. (for example: 24-23-22-21-20-19).


But anyway, it's only a small issue because the actual effect is minimal. However, I can't see how anyone could think the current system is better in principle.
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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #347 on: March 25, 2013, 07:54:51 PM »
I would count 2ยบ best tips in round ties to define who writes the next questions.
And keeping best tip ties 1-1, as there are only a few of those and it's not worth it to complicate things further.
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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #348 on: March 26, 2013, 05:41:29 AM »
Since we are now expounding all weaknesses of the rules, I will mention the most insidious one: relative versus absolute differences. Suppose the question is "What is the distance between towns Foo and Bar?", with the answer being 500km. 1000km is clearly a better answer than 10km (correct order of magnitude versus more than two orders away); yet 10km will be rated higher as the absolute difference is smaller. It is probably not worth it trying to fix that though - relative differences do not work for some kinds of questions (e.g. those involving dates), and the issue is not serious if the guesses are not too bad overall.

Splitting points on ties is a sensible idea, though the status quo doesn't really bother me. If we were to recount the overall scores as Akoss suggested, however, there might be a case for switching to average points per round. As it is now, if one reaches a 100% winning ratio s/he will be limited to half of the total points due to spending half of the rounds preparing the questions.

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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #349 on: March 26, 2013, 08:29:05 AM »
It's still a game, not a bloody contest...
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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #350 on: March 26, 2013, 10:12:14 AM »
Yes, but discussing these things is interesting because it's about logic.
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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #351 on: March 26, 2013, 10:24:10 AM »
Yes, but discussing these things is interesting because it's about logic.

Every game has its own logic. Some of them seem to be wrong, but still, these are the rules.

If this one was a serious competition. I would agree with the rules' review. But it's not. (Btw check who have the most "shared" points and who will not lose any points with a possible rule change.)
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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #352 on: March 27, 2013, 08:51:19 PM »
So... CHULK! COME ON! :P
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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #353 on: March 28, 2013, 01:36:18 AM »
So... CHULK! COME ON! :P
I'll work on some questions during Easter break and post if Zak can't do it.
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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #354 on: March 29, 2013, 03:35:04 PM »
Here it is, sorry for the delay!
Round 13, deadline is April 12 Friday 23:59:59 GMT+1.

1. Population growth in India from 1990 to 2010 in persons.

2. Number of counties in New Zealand in 1966.

3. Height of the 100th tallest skyscraper in the world today, in meters

4. Number of Citroen cars produced in 2011 worldwide

5. Total duration of the Harry Potter film series, in minutes

6. Number of recognized African states as of posting this question.

7. World Orange production in 2010, in tons

8. Highest possible pixel count on a CGA monitor

9. Fact sheet top speed of the Audi Quattro in Stunts, in MPH

10. Gear range of the Rohloff Speedhub 500/14 bicycle hub gear, in percentage

11. In the imperial measurement system how many square yards is an acre?

12. Most medals (individual and team) won by a single athlete through the history of paralympics

13. Total number of fatalities in the deadliest aviation disaster to date.

+1. Days between the release of Stunts BB1.0 and BB1.1
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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #355 on: April 09, 2013, 06:31:50 AM »
Only three days left and only one person sent answers so far!

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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #356 on: April 09, 2013, 08:50:29 AM »
Only three days left and only one person sent answers so far!

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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #357 on: April 09, 2013, 11:37:42 AM »
Thanks for reminding, somehow I thought that the deadline was the 18th... Now: sent!
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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #358 on: April 09, 2013, 01:09:32 PM »
Sent!
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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #359 on: April 09, 2013, 01:37:12 PM »
Maybe I leave out this round, 'cause I have no time for googling thinking it over.
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