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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #690 on: September 12, 2014, 05:08:59 PM »
I clearly suck at Chem, missing by a long shot on one, luckily winning on the other one.
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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #691 on: September 13, 2014, 09:54:49 PM »
3, Mean monthly sunshine hours/year in Shanghai

Isn't this a bit overcomplicated? Am I right that it means "average yearly number of sunshine hours, divided by 12?"

Oh, monthly!!! CTG please divide my tip by 12 :)

Never drink when you write quiz questions! ;D

Of course not monthly, but YEARLY sunshine hours in Shanghai.
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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #692 on: September 15, 2014, 08:16:59 PM »
Btw Wikipedia says

HCN: Boiling point   25.6 to 26.6 °C; 78.0 to 79.8 °F; 298.7 to 299.7 K

Room temperature

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For scientific work, room temperature is taken to be about 20 to 26 degrees Celsius with an average of 23°C (about 73.4 degrees Fahrenheit (°F), 293 to 299 kelvins (K), or 528 to 537 degrees Rankine (°R)).[4] For numerical convenience, either 20 °C (68 °F) or 300 K (80 °F) is often used, without being specified as "room temperature". However, room temperature is not a defined scientific term, unlike Standard Temperature and Pressure (STP); admittedly, STP has several slightly different definitions.

So at taking the higher values of 'room temperature' into account, HCN can be considered as a gas at room temperature. So both the gas and the liquid densities should be accepted as a correct answer, I think.

That's why it is not a good idea to ask a beugratós kérdés with a scientifically undetermined term (e.g. "room temperature) in it.

Room temperature means 25°C in laboratory practice. However, Russians say 20°C... :D
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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #693 on: September 15, 2014, 08:45:47 PM »
Btw Wikipedia says

HCN: Boiling point   25.6 to 26.6 °C; 78.0 to 79.8 °F; 298.7 to 299.7 K

Room temperature

Scientific use
For scientific work, room temperature is taken to be about 20 to 26 degrees Celsius with an average of 23°C (about 73.4 degrees Fahrenheit (°F), 293 to 299 kelvins (K), or 528 to 537 degrees Rankine (°R)).[4] For numerical convenience, either 20 °C (68 °F) or 300 K (80 °F) is often used, without being specified as "room temperature". However, room temperature is not a defined scientific term, unlike Standard Temperature and Pressure (STP); admittedly, STP has several slightly different definitions.

So at taking the higher values of 'room temperature' into account, HCN can be considered as a gas at room temperature. So both the gas and the liquid densities should be accepted as a correct answer, I think.

That's why it is not a good idea to ask a beugratós kérdés with a scientifically undetermined term (e.g. "room temperature) in it.

Room temperature means 25°C in laboratory practice. However, Russians say 20°C... :D

There is no scientific term 'room temperature', see my previous post. Sometimes it is said that it is up to 27°C. I see that at 25°C it is a liquid... but no-one says that it is unambiguous that scientifically the room temperature is 25°C...
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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #694 on: September 15, 2014, 08:47:03 PM »
Btw Wikipedia says

HCN: Boiling point   25.6 to 26.6 °C; 78.0 to 79.8 °F; 298.7 to 299.7 K

Room temperature

Scientific use
For scientific work, room temperature is taken to be about 20 to 26 degrees Celsius with an average of 23°C (about 73.4 degrees Fahrenheit (°F), 293 to 299 kelvins (K), or 528 to 537 degrees Rankine (°R)).[4] For numerical convenience, either 20 °C (68 °F) or 300 K (80 °F) is often used, without being specified as "room temperature". However, room temperature is not a defined scientific term, unlike Standard Temperature and Pressure (STP); admittedly, STP has several slightly different definitions.

So at taking the higher values of 'room temperature' into account, HCN can be considered as a gas at room temperature. So both the gas and the liquid densities should be accepted as a correct answer, I think.

That's why it is not a good idea to ask a beugratós kérdés with a scientifically undetermined term (e.g. "room temperature) in it.

Room temperature means 25°C in laboratory practice. However, Russians say 20°C... :D

There is no scientific term 'room temperature', see my previous post. Sometimes it is said that it is up to 27°C. I see that at 25°C it is a liquid... but no-one says that it is unambiguous that scientifically the room temperature is 25°C...

I just said that USUALLY it means 25°C in laboratory slang.
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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #695 on: September 15, 2014, 09:39:15 PM »
There is no scientific term 'room temperature', see my previous post. Sometimes it is said that it is up to 27°C. I see that at 25°C it is a liquid... but no-one says that it is unambiguous that scientifically the room temperature is 25°C...

Honestly: was your tip so close to zero because (a) you guessed it boils below 25°C or (b) you thought that room temperature can be above 25°C?
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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #696 on: September 15, 2014, 10:06:06 PM »
I thought it blows below 25 oC, but still, my tip is right since room temperature can be considered a value between 20-27 oC on the basis of scientific data.
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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #697 on: September 15, 2014, 10:43:43 PM »
I thought it blows below 25 oC, but still, my tip is right since room temperature can be considered a value between 20-27 oC on the basis of scientific data.

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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #698 on: September 15, 2014, 10:50:29 PM »
I thought it blows below 25 oC, but still, my tip is right since room temperature can be considered a value between 20-27 oC on the basis of scientific data.

petty arguement for a single point in a fun (but useless) game

This is not about that...
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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #699 on: September 16, 2014, 06:31:15 AM »
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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #700 on: September 16, 2014, 09:21:53 AM »
I fight for my points this way instead of googling like some people do...
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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #701 on: September 16, 2014, 10:41:57 PM »
I fight for my points this way instead of googling like some people do...

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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #702 on: September 17, 2014, 09:37:47 PM »
For those who feel the evaluation of question 10 unfair (as room temperature was not clearly defined), I'm announcing the result without this question. It is not more and not less official than the previous one, as the term official would be ridiculous in a "serious" game like this.

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Btw, it is always possible to ask for clarifications about the questions before the deadline - as I did about CTG's question with the sunshine hours. I hope that nobody will defend a ridiculously low value as "correct answer" for this question, just because it was possible to misunderstand it as monthly value instead of yearly...
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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #703 on: September 19, 2014, 06:11:56 AM »
I fight for my points this way instead of googling like some people do...
This accusation for which there is no confirmation or even strong clues at all is at least ironic coming from a confessed cheater, don't you think?
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Re: Estimation game
« Reply #704 on: September 19, 2014, 08:50:46 AM »
Actually I find this argument about a single point very childish and fuckin' useless. This is still for fun - not a bloody contest (however, for one of us it is). But if you think it's more than that, it would be better to close this topic and forget this game forever.

Okay, the definition of "room temperature" is not the most exact one, but as a gold standard, it is accepted as 25°C in science (20°C in other countries, e.g. Russia, where you can't provide a higher average temperature in laboratories; that's why they use 20°C stability or solubility tests for pharmaceutical ingredients instead of the well-accepted European/US 25°C tests). What you found was the most advantageous version for yourself - see also your Stunts tracks, just take a look at your results on your own circuits vs any other designer's results on their own tracks*; or your crying about the point systems of any games that you can't win.

But you know what? Your beloved Wikipedia says "In more rigorous scientific contexts, it may denote the range between 20 and 26 °C (68 and 79 °F), with an average of 23 °C (73 °F).", while boiling point of HCN is 25.6°C. Taking the whole "room temperature" interval, only 6.7% percent of that covers the gas phase. So, why don't you apply for 0.067 pt? That's the maximum you deserve, even with the best case scenario. :D

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