Author Topic: Z202 - Ketiranyu  (Read 61 times)

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Z202 - Ketiranyu
« on: May 07, 2018, 04:50:59 AM »
Very curious track...

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Re: Z202 - Ketiranyu
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2018, 09:32:33 PM »
Very curious track...

Ouch —when I reviewed I saw the potential for dual-way switching, but I thought I had fixed the worst options adding the smaller rivers. It seems that I missed one though.

Do you guys think the track is broken at this point? Would it help to add another square of water to kill the current shortcut—which makes the race a bit boring—and restart?

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Re: Z202 - Ketiranyu
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2018, 09:22:44 PM »
In my opinion, while short, the track is still interesting, but GTAMan should have the last word
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Re: Z202 - Ketiranyu
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2018, 03:37:58 AM »
Though I haven't actually driven in this track or watched any replays yet, if Cas' message on the shoutbox...

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OK. Let's start playing dirty, ha, ha XD - Honestly, I didn't know that dual-way switching could be done wrong-way :P

... means what I think it means, there is an ancient precedent in ZakStunts according to which wrong way shortcuts are forbidden. This issue has last shown up in Z136 (see also). This situation in Z85 might also be relevant, but I can't say for sure as I haven't driven yet  :)

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Re: Z202 - Ketiranyu
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2018, 09:59:35 PM »
Well, my feeling on this particular track is that, yes, the shorcut shortens the track significantly. Still, I have the feeling that, depending on the skilll of each pipsqueak, and the perseverance (I've learnt to use the latter recently XD), one can improve a lot. I mean, it's not that it loses all its magic. But it depends on GTAMan whether he feels his track is being properly raced or not (I think).

In general, my opinion on dual-way switching is that it may be disappointing when it's found on a track that one expected to race in a more normal way, but also, it can be an amazing part of track design itself. Making a track that purposedly allows dual-way switching with some difficulty and in different ways adds a lot of spice to the race. What is not clearly defined is what happens when a track that was not originally intended for this trick seems to be well received with the trick included, even by the author. I believe under these circumstances, the last word should always go to the track author. On the other hand, it could be a good rule that, upon posting a new track and before the race starts, if the track contains split, the author should specify whether dual-way switching will be allowed or not.

EDIT: I want to add that my message in the shoutbox was an answer, not a proposal. Replays using dual-way switching on this track had already been posted, so I commented that and then posted mine. I was not the first person to post using that trick.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2018, 01:04:36 AM by Cas »
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Re: Z202 - Ketiranyu
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2018, 06:49:08 PM »
It should be added that, in this case, it seems that the author was not aware of the dual-way trick, since shortly after I posted the first replay with that cut, he asked why no penalty time was added. Nevertheless, there is also the GAR competition, so in my opinion we can keep the race as it is, with the gentlemen agreement rules compelling to proceed on the whole track, for those interested in playing them (maybe I will submit a lap too) ;)

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Re: Z202 - Ketiranyu
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2018, 10:57:35 PM »
I agree with Afullo!
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