The taste of the audiance

[Argammon]

1)Akoss
2)Krys
3)Zak
4)Krys
5)Argammon

6)CTG
7)Argammon
8)CTG
9)Argammon
10)Akoss

11)Krys
12)Satanziege
13)Satanziege
14)Zak
15)Alain

16)Alain
17)Alain
18)Krys Kid's
19)Max Nokhrin

Average ranking Akoss: 5,5          (1= best,19=worst)
Average ranking Krys: 5,666
Average ranking Argammon: 7
Average ranking CTG: 7
Average ranking Zak:10
Average ranking Satanziege: 12.5
Average ranking Alain:16

Average rating Akoss: 3,67069      (5=best,1=worst)
Average rating Krys: 3,62105
Average rating CTG: 3.5125915
Average rating Argammon: 3.48299666
Average rating Zak: 3.305175
Average rating Satanziege: 3.08889
Average rating Alain: 2,63075333

More information:

Average rating Opponent near: 3.59164075
Average rating Corks Crew: 3.319588569
Average rating Orion: 3.125901665

Average rating ALL tracks: 3.143684211 [Including max and krys kid tracks and tracks have been rounded after 2 digits : 1.2345 = 1.23]

standard variance: 0.436312742....
standard deviation: 0.660539735....
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Akoss has the most popular track,the highest average ranking and the highest average rating.... so I guess you can declare him to be the winner of the TDC 2003 IMO.

[Krys TOFF]

Akoss won, without doubt.
I like his tracks, not all of them, but tracks like Storm or Josvafo are excellent.

I'm glad to see 2 of my tracks in top 5, and that my best track finished 2nd. Last year I finished 3rd. So I improved, so I'm happy.

[Akoss Poo]

Oops, I did it again.

[CTG]

Just to mention: I don't think you could win without my votes. As far as I remember you told me to give you good marks (14 pts on both of your tracks). BUT! You gave only 5,3,3 on Ganymede and 3,3,3 on Arena. To sum it up: don't be so satisfied with that result...  :evil:

[CTG]

In spite of this fact, I like Alford and Storm tracks - but they are only 3rd and 4th on my scale: Arena and Valhalla are my favorites...

[Krys TOFF]

CTG : without your bad votes, Everglades would have won.
It has nice and original design, marvelous plot, and made by a good guy who would have deserved to win.
But as a consolation, it is the track that was the most voted.

[CTG]

Well I was not very fond of Evenglades...  :?

But without that Storm votes you could win. Sorry, I couldn't predict it...  :oops:

[Anonymous]

CTG: You agreed to give each other good votes?
Sorry that's cheating!

[Anonymous]

To sum it up

1)CTG says 'Akoss asks CTG to give 'Akoss' good marks -> that's a hint that there was an agreement

2)CTG says he likes 'Valhalla' better than Storm and Alford,yet he gives storm and alford better marks -> that's a hint that there was an agreement!

3)CTG gives nearly all tracks better votes than Everglades,the biggest competitior for 'championship'

You should both feel sorry against KRys,
winning is not everything!

[Akoss Poo]

To sum it up

1)CTG says 'Akoss asks CTG to give 'Akoss' good marks -> that's a hint that there was an agreement

2)CTG says he likes 'Valhalla' better than Storm and Alford,yet he gives storm and alford better marks -> that's a hint that there was an agreement!

3)CTG gives nearly all tracks better votes than Everglades,the biggest competitior for 'championship'

You should both feel sorry against KRys,
winning is not everything!

Bullshit. I never asked CTG. We discussed our tracks, but we didn't tell each other to give good marks on the other's track. But he gave good marks on my tracks, and I give realistic votes on his. That's all.

[Mingva]

OK, then only CTG is unfair who gave max votes for his own tracks (not a big prob), very good votes for Akss tracks and terrible vote for Everglades -> the track which lead in the beginning (very bad!).

From chat on 10 Dec:
<aksinlove> we discussed our tracks
<aksinlove> with CTG
<aksinlove> then he gave good marks on mine
<aksinlove> and asked me to revote on his track because i gave mediocre marks

[Akoss Poo]

Important sentences from chat 12/10:

*** Argammon [Argammon wanted me to remove his IP] has joined #stunts

<aksinlove> hi

<Argammon> hey....

<Argammon> akoss I just red you and ctg cheated!

*** zaqrack [~zaqrack@nilus-3475.adsl.datanet.hu] has joined #stunts

<zaqrack> hi

<aksinlove> hi

<Argammon> Zak akoss and ctg cheated on track design contest

<Argammon> :/

<zaqrack> I dont care about it because theres no ranking this year as I told

<zaqrack> and there wont be tdc2004

<Argammon> Yes but still that sux!

<zaqrack> yep

<Argammon> why did you agree to give each other good votes akoss?

<aksinlove> half away playing honfoglal?

<Argammon> answer akoss

<aksinlove> he hasnt cheated or what?

*** mode/#stunts [+o zaqrack] by Helen

<Argammon> you asked CTG to give you good votes

<Argammon> IE 14 points

*** mode/#stunts [+o BernieRub] by zaqrack

*** mode/#stunts [-o zaqrack] by zaqrack

<[A][R]> ?hola!

<aksinlove> i never asked

<Argammon> And CTG says ' Tracks X and Y are better than alford and STORM but he gave Alford and storm better marks than X and Y because you asked him

<aksinlove> he wondered whats my track

<aksinlove> and gave good votes

<Argammon> No

<Argammon> You asked him to give good votes

<Argammon> so he gave you better votes than on tracks he likes better

<aksinlove> NO

<Argammon> YES! he said that

<aksinlove> think what you want

<Argammon> Sorry CTG said that?

<Argammon> are you saying he is lying?

<aksinlove> not lying

<aksinlove> but overstating

<aksinlove> telling not the real truth

<Argammon> Look akoss

<Argammon> Just to mention: I don't think you could win without my votes. As far as I remember you told me to give you good marks (14 pts on both of your tracks).

<Argammon> CTg that said

<Argammon> AND he says he likes valhalla more than storm and alford,yet he gives storm and alford better votes

<Argammon> what is that?

<Argammon> AND CTG nearly gave every half decent track good marks

<Argammon> yet he gives everglades shit marks (for his level)

<Argammon> ......

<aksinlove> then he should give valhalla good votes

<Argammon> Sorry I think that's cheating

<Argammon> actually I don't only think it

<Argammon> it's profen

<Argammon>

<aksinlove> don't know but im not feeling myself guilty

<aksinlove> i gave realistic votes

<Argammon> CTG said

<Argammon> you asked him to give your tracks good votes

<Argammon> ?

<Mingva> AKSS AND CTG ARE CHEATERS!!!

*** BernieRub changed the topic to: Flame War #31324

<Argammon> That's not a flamewar

<Argammon> because it's justified

<Mingva> thanx to stunts oracle, i stopped to vote in right time

<Argammon> What has the oracle to  do with it?

<Mingva> TDC'03 was in the same spirit as prev year

<Mingva> so sad

<aksinlove> you came here to attack others again

<aksinlove> say what you want i'll say something after topic is different

<aksinlove> i have enough of it

<Mingva> attack cheaters!!!

<Argammon> I did not come here to attack anyone!

<Argammon> I just only see 2 possibilities 1)CTG is lying and gave dubious votes

<Argammon> or 2)there was an agreement

<Argammon> sorry that's common sense

<Mingva> not orion but OPs are cheaters!!!

<aksinlove> we discussed our tracks

<aksinlove> with CTG

<aksinlove> then he gave good marks on mine

<aksinlove> and asked me to revote on his track because i gave mediocre marks

<Argammon> Well he definatly said you asked him to give good marks

<aksinlove> i think he forgot to say that

<Argammon> is that true or not?

<Mingva> true

<Mingva>

<aksinlove> i havent asked him

<aksinlove> mingva shut up were you in the CTG-Akoss priv chat?

<Argammon> Then you should go to the forum.... and correct that statement

<Argammon> because the way it sounds now is that CTG helped you to win

<Mingva> lol, ctg gave the lowest marks to everglades!

<Mingva> and gave max to his own tracks (

<Argammon> :/

<aksinlove> me is playing honfoglal? again

*** [A][R] is now known as [9][6][2]

<Mingva> aha, ctg reached 500 posts

<Mingva> lets delete some of his posts from ISA/IRC forum

<Mingva>

<Mingva> i wanna see him as joe's friend )

<Mingva> ctg should receive an award "forum flooder" for december

<Mingva> )))






<aksinlove> i think he just wanted to say i couldn't win without his votes

<aksinlove> and nothing more

<aksinlove> not talked about Akoss as a cheater in forum

<aksinlove> not blamed be for anything

<Argammon> well if he says 'akoss asked me to give his tracks good votes'

<Argammon> he directly says you asked him to cheat.....

<aksinlove> but remarked that i couldn't win without his votes

<aksinlove> 'akoss asked me to give his tracks good votes'

<aksinlove>

<aksinlove> i reacted on this sentence

<aksinlove> already





<Argammon> Somehow I believe you didn't ask him

<Argammon> but in that case he should not say you did

<Argammon>

<aksinlove> somehow i'm only 95% sure

<aksinlove> because you said CTG had said quite straightly

<aksinlove> but we haven't saved that chat

<aksinlove> how good, Zak hasn't declared a winner

<aksinlove> but how bad, CTG says that after the competition finished

<Argammon> Well we would have need a jury

<Argammon>

<aksinlove> well we didn't punish Orion, although we know that Alain did Myron's rpl, no jury, nothing... and now we need a jury to decide who is right in a competition which doesn't have a winner... (((((

[Akoss Poo]

I want to say a few more things:

1 I also never asked and haven't talked with CTG about giving low votes on Everglades.

2 Why should CTG have given low votes on Krys' track? CTG knew Everglades is Krys', and they are very good friends.

3 Why is Mingva talking here? He only voted on a few tracks, and hasn't entered the competition.

4 CTG never told me before that he would have given lower marks if it hadn't been my track. I thought my victory was fair.

5 But now you (who consider me cheater) can say winner is Krys. (I sent 2 tracks and gave realistic votes on all of the tracks, I told CTG which is my track, he told me which is his, and I did nothing more.) I really feel I'm innocent, but this is so bittersweet that it turned out that I reached my victory only with fake, manipulated votes.

6 Why didn't CTG give real marks on my tracks? He could see I had given real marks on his tracks and not an 5,5,5 or a 4,5,5.

7 I'm not angry at anybody and let's finish it. I didn't want to hurt anybody. I hope it can be my last post here.

[Krys TOFF]

Wow, calm down everyone.
I didn't want to start a war. :roll:

Storm is a good track (my 3rd, behind Everglades and Alford) and Akoss deserves his win.
I just wanted to signal CTG that his votes on Everglades are quite different from any other votes for it.
He has the right not to like it. As Alain didn't gave good votes on Storm.
But I don't like the idea of "overvotes" to friendly made tracks... As bad as "lowervotes" on unfriendly tracks.
To avoid any problem like that, I told noone which tracks I made. Only Zak knew. Just Alan guessed Everglades was mine, he told me in private chat one month ago).
 
Personnaly, I voted each track the same way, whatever the designer I imagined/guessed made it.
I want to believe CTG would have gave the same votes on Everglades even if he knew before that it was mine... Can I CTG ? :roll:  :?

[CTG]

Nah, I was a bit angry in the afternoon.

Let's watch the reality!

1. Akoss and me knew about eachothers track.

2. Akoss didn't tell me straight to give better marks, but it seemed to be natural to give a bit better marks on eachothers track.

3. Evenglades was not my favorite, you can see... But I never thought about giving a worse mark because it's not an Opponent Near track

4. My marks were realistic - it showed my taste. Only Alford and Storm got a bit more points: I think both of these tracks are about 11-12 (max. 13) pts.

5. I built perfect tracks - in my view. If Ganymede or Arena is not your taste, you could give bad marks on it. But I really felt that these tracks are ideal for me.

6. Don't forget: TDC 2003 wasn't valid because of the low interest, so there's no problem...