Where will be Alonso in 2008 ? Still with McLaren or going back to Renault, and in this case then who will be racing with him, Heiki (my wish) or Fisico ?
What will be able to do S. Bourdais, 4 times champion of ChampCar (4th title won this week-end with his 30th victory in ChampCar at Surfer's Paradise), with the small Toro Rosso team ?
Who will replace R. Schumacher in toyota team (my hope : F. Montagny, test driver at Toyota team in 2007, but I fear it won't be that way because he has no big sponsor behind him) ?
I'd like to see Alonso in McLaren kicking Hamilton's (and Dennis') asses but he sure won't stay as relation is too complicated, and he knows he'll never have McLaren's best interest/car for him but for Hamilton. So I'd like to see Nico Rosberg in McLaren.
It is confirmed : Alonso will leave McLaren for 2008.
Where will he be then ?
Toyota has a free seat with Ralf schumacher leaving and needs a top driver/good optimizer to finally have good results.
Renault is ready to have him back and didn't confirm any driver for 2008. It would be good see Alonso back to Renault but only if Kovalainen is the 2nd driver. Sadly, I fear that a come-back to Renault would mean a come-back as test driver for Kovalainen, even if he had more points in 2007 championship than Fisico...
Also, Renault want a 3 years contract while Alonso wants only a 1 year contract to be able to switch to another top team (Ferrari or BMW) at the end of 2008.
But it seems McLaren can accept to break Alonso's contract only if he leaves for a non-constructor team. that is not Ferrari, not BMW, not Toyota and not Renault.
What are the remaining possibilities ? Red Bull and only Red Bull.
Williams doesn't seem a real possibility (as British as McLaren in my opinion to fit Alonso's wishes) and Toro Rosso has confirmed his drivers.
On the other hand, rumors are heard about Barrichello going down to Super Aguri (due to no point in 2007 with Honda while Button got 6) while Sato may come back to Honda main team.
Answers soon. ;)
Quote from: Krys TOFFWhat are the remaining possibilities ? Red Bull and only Red Bull.
Williams doesn't seem a real possibility (as British as McLaren in my opinion to fit Alonso's wishes) and Toro Rosso has confirmed his drivers.
Mmmm, it seems that Coulthard and Webber are also confirmed by Red Bull for 2008.
It seems that only Toyota and Renault remains possible, and the presence of Trulli (ex-partner of Alonso with Renault) can be an advantage for negociations with Toyota. With Renault, there's still the contract duiration issue.
There's still the possibility that Rosberg goes to McLaren while Alonso goes to Williams, but I don't believe it.
It will be Renault or nothing. All the other teams are just too weak for Nyalonso.
I hope to see an Alonso - Piquet Jr. team with the same result as it was in 2007 with Hamilton. ;D
(altough I think Piquet Jr. is a lot weaker than Hamilton)
Quote from: CTGIt will be Renault or nothing. All the other teams are just too weak for Nyalonso.
Latest rumor : Alonso-Fisico for Renault and Hamilton-Kovalainen for McLaren, with an arrangement for the 2 teams as Kovalainen is a "Renault familly" driver (Nissan formula champion, then Renault test driver, then Renault driver). Renault probably will want a possible back-up of Kovalainen back to Renault in 2009 in case Alonso gets a 1 year contract only with Renault (as he wants while Renault wants a 3 years contract) and then decide to leave for another team for 2009 season.
This is just a rumor of course, as it may also be Pedro De la rosa (current test driver for McLaren) with Hamilton for 2008 while Kovalainen be back as test driver for Renault (then with fisico and Alonso as drivers).
I like Kovalainen and I really wants to see him as real driver for 2008, not test driver.
Come on Briatore, make me happy and put Fisico as test driver in case you get Alonso back. Heiki got more points than Fisico in 2007 and got the only podium of Renault. He made mistakes during his first races but he is a fast learner and proved his talent.
I just read about Alonso-Ross Brawn-Red Bull marriage (as for spanish news one of Webber-Coulthard will be fired to employ Alonso). Sounds quite irrealistic but still interesting.
Quote from: CTG on November 05, 2007, 04:11:23 PM
I just read about Alonso-Ross Brawn-Red Bull marriage (as for spanish news one of Webber-Coulthard will be fired to employ Alonso). Sounds quite irrealistic but still interesting.
Not necessary fired, he may be 3rd driver. Anyway, Webber would probably be that one.
Yes, probably, though Coulthard could retire as his old teammate Mika did recently.
Quote from: Krys TOFF
It is confirmed : Alonso will leave McLaren for 2008.
Where will he be then ?
(...)
Williams doesn't seem a real possibility (as British as McLaren in my opinion to fit Alonso's wishes)
I was right : Satoru Nakajima (who replaced Wurz for last GP of 2007) is confirmed with Nico Rosberg as driver for Williams team. Alonso won't be driving a Williams car for 2008.
Damn... Rosberg deserves a better car than Williams. Anyway it will be the easiest possible solution: Alonso goes to Renault, Fisichella will be fired. Piquet Jr. won't race or he's going to a minor team.
Quote from: Krys TOFF on November 07, 2007, 01:13:55 PM
Satoru Nakajima is confirmed with Nico Rosberg as driver for Williams team. Alonso won't be driving a Williams car for 2008.
And I won't see Nico Rosberg in McLaren. :(
Quote from: CTG on November 07, 2007, 05:53:07 PM
Damn... Rosberg deserves a better car than Williams.
I agree and that's why I wanted to see Nico in McLaren for 2008.
Quote from: ChulkQuote from: CTGRosberg deserves a better car than Williams.
I agree and that's why I wanted to see Nico in McLaren for 2008.
I agree too, Nico Rosberg is a promising driver.
Quote from: Krys TOFF on November 07, 2007, 01:13:55 PM
Satoru Nakajima (who replaced Wurz for last GP of 2007) is confirmed with Nico Rosberg as driver for Williams team.
Williams will have 2 former F1 drivers's sons.
Quote from: Chulk on November 08, 2007, 03:16:35 PM
Quote from: Krys TOFF on November 07, 2007, 01:13:55 PM
Satoru Nakajima (who replaced Wurz for last GP of 2007) is confirmed with Nico Rosberg as driver for Williams team.
Williams will have 2 former F1 drivers's sons.
Oooops ! This is Kazuki Nakajima and not Satoru Nakajima that will drive for Williams. Satoru is the father of Kazuki, that's right. Satoru was the 1st Japan driver in F1 to race a full season in 1987.
McLaren accused Renault for espionage... Heiki to McLaren is delayed.
Yep it would be strange to see driver transfers between these two teams while they are fighting about Spy Game #2.
McLaren accused Renault a few months ago, when McLaren was in the middle of their spy storm with Ferrari.
It was just a strategy to put the media away from McLaren for a moment.
In september, FIA already studied this 2nd "spy affair" and concluded that it was not real. But according to FIA procedures, Renault must be audited by FIA officially, which will be done soon.
Unlike McLaren, who hided information from experts mandated by FIA, Renault let all independant FIA experts study the car, the computer systems and history of mail and so on. Nothing was found.
I really think this procedure will lead to nowhere but another bad reputation for McLaren.
And Heiki going to McLaren is not a real possibility I think. I can better imagine Coulthard going back to McLaren and Alonso join Red Bull for 1 year as Renault still want a 3 years contract and not a 1 year contract for Alonso.
Also, another problem for Alonso come-back to Renault is that 1 sponsor of Alonso is a Spanish bank. I don't think that ING (Dutch bank, sponsor of Renault since 2007) will like to see anothe bank name close to their own logo on Alonso shirt.
Also, don't forget that McLaren is under high survey by FIA regarding their 2008 car specifications : if some elements in McLaren are found identical as the Ferrari ones, they won't be allowed.
So we can say Alonso escaped in the right moment from McLaren. Lucky...
Alonso: Ferrari?!? Oh my God, I hope it won't become true...
Schumacher made quite a good test day after one year of silence - beating almost everybody, only De La Rosa (who tested his top car in the whole year) could beat him. I guess a few test days would make Schumacher to be the best again. It would be a great thing if he comes back for the next season (sweet dreams...).
And at the end of the day Schumacher was the fastest. He is still the best!!!
Jean Todt replaced by Stefano Domenicali as Ferrari F1 manager, Ross Brawn (who wanted to replace Todt) then prefered to go to Honda.
Maybe Honda will finally have a good car with Brawn's help.
The 2nd place at Force India (ex-Spyker) team will be hard to get : Ralf Schumacher, Christian Klien, Vitantonio Liuzzi and now Franck Montagny are all potential drivers. Maybe even Fisico too in case Alonso gets back to Renault. So much drivers interested by a so slow car... ::)
Toyota team for 2008 is known : Jarno Trulli will race with Timo Glock (GP2 champion this year).
3rd driver for Toyota is now Kamui Kobayashi (4th this year in F3 Euro Series). This means that Franck Montagny (3rd driver of Toyota in 2007, racing again in Barcelona this week with them) is one more available F1 pilot for Force India.
Damn, so many "free" pilots all wanting to join a brand new team : R. Schumacher, F. Montagny, V. Luizzi, Christian Klien and G. Fisichella (in case F. Alonso joins back Renault, which is already sure according to Red Bull manager).
What a shame Prodrive can't start in 2008! It would be another two vacant places.
Yes, it's a shame. Alonso would have a good car to go to.
I hope R. Schumacher, Fisichella, Barrichello and some other burned out pipsqueaks will disappear soon and give place to Piquet Jr., Bruno Senna, Paffett, Klien...
Nobody told about it here, but Kimi has been confirmed World Champion for 2007. Good news. :)
Latest news : F. Briatore confirmed that Renault drivers will be different next year. Fisichella is now 99% sure to be away from Renault (my opinion), and Alonso is 60% sure to come back to Renault (Briatore's opinion).
But Briatore told "Renault pilots", with an "s", so there also may be a change for the 2nd pilot too. Rumors talk about Heiki Kovalainen going to McLaren (as Nico Rosberg is confirmed to stay with Williams), and then a 2nd seat will be available for Renault. For who ?
Franck Montagny maybe, ex-3rd driver of Renault or Nelsinho Piquet (3rd driver for Renault in 2007). Both may be not too expensive for the team compared to Kovalainen because his good results last year (better than Fisico ones) will mean a higher payement for him.
And Alonso's come back to Renault will also mean a higher salary for him (compared to what he was paid in 2005 and 2006 by Renault).
So, as Renault's policy is not to pay too much for drivers' salaries, they may be interested by "low-cost" 2nd driver compared to Kovalainen.
This means no Fisico, no Ralf Schumi. But real possibility for Piquet Jr or Montagny. Or Klein (3rd driver for Honda in 2007 but more interested to race that to do tests). Or even maybe Luizzi (I don't think so but he remains a possibility)...
From now it's getting clearer and clearer. As for me, drivers of 2008 will be:
Ferrari: Raikkonen, Massa
McLaren: Hamilton, Kovalainen
Renault: Alonso, Piquet Jr.
BMW: Heidfeld, Kubica
Williams: Rosberg, Nakajima
Honda: Button, Barrichello
Toyota: Trulli, Glock
Red Bull: Webber, Coulthard
Torro Rosso: Vettel, Bourdais
Super Aguri: Sato, Davidson
Force India: Sutil, R Schumacher (?)
Quote from: CTG
McLaren: Hamilton, Kovalainen
Renault: Alonso, Piquet Jr.
As I said before, that's what the rumours say. But it may be :
McLaren : Hamilton, De la Rosa (3rd driver of McLaren for 2007) and ??? as 3rd driver.
Renault : Alonso, Kovalainen, with Piquet Jr remaining 3rd driver.
Quote from: CTG
Force India: Sutil, R Schumacher (?)
Sutil is sure. Other will be R. Schumi, or Fisico, or Luizzi, or Klein, or Montagny, or...
The only thing against Alonso - Piquet Jr. is the fact that the always crying Spaniard has bad experiences with talented newbies... ;D
I would be glad to see Felipe Massa's Kart Race with so many great pipsqueaks.
Quote from: CTG on November 20, 2007, 02:49:28 PM
The only thing against Alonso - Piquet Jr. is the fact that the always crying Spaniard has bad experiences with talented newbies... ;D
Latest infos regarding Renault in France :
Piquet Jr will be for sure one of the 2 active Renault drivers for 2008 and Fisico will leave (or become 3rd driver).
This means Alonso-Piquet Jr with Kovalainen going to McLaren in case Alonso choose to come back to Renault (rumours talk about arrangement between Renault and McLaren for exchange of Alonso with Kovalainen). Or Kovalainen-Piquet Jr in case Alonso goes to another team but Renault (and this means that Pedro de la Rosa may become active driver for McLaren instead of staying 3rd driver).
I'd like to see Kovalainen in McLaren then. Finish drivers and McLaren have obtain great results through history of F1.
Quote from: Krys TOFF on November 14, 2007, 01:20:48 PM
Jean Todt replaced by Stefano Domenicali as Ferrari F1 manager, Ross Brawn (who wanted to replace Todt) then prefered to go to Honda.
Maybe Honda will finally have a good car with Brawn's help.
And maybe Ross Brawn will make Alonso come to Honda. Then this would mean that slow Barrichello would go "down" to Honda satellite team Super Aguri with Sato. And Sato will kick Rubens' ass. Sato is good and deserves a better car. Best for Honda would be Alonso-Sato and then Button-Barrichello to Super Aguri.
Anyway, Alonso to Honda would mean Kovalainen-Piquet Jr for Renault and bye bye Fisico (or he may stay as 3rd driver for Renault). This situation would mean a free seat for McLaren as Kovalainen would stay with Renault in this case.
No evidence of spying from Renault versus McLaren, Renault gets no penalty, unlike McLaren with Ferrari affair.
Maybe that's what Alonso waited before accepting to go back to Renault : he didn't want to leave a team accused of spying to another one convinced of spying too.
I really think that Alonso will go back to Renault now, and Fisico will go... Back home ! ;D
Too bad this means that Piquet Jr will probably remain 3rd driver for Renault (as Kovalainen would stay main driver with Alonso in this case).
Bye bye Formula 1 for Ralf Schumi. Worst result of all pipsqueaks that tested Force India car at Jerez, twice out of the road in the same turn. This guy is really a crappy pipsqueak now, he won't be missed. ;D
Quote from: Krys TOFF on December 07, 2007, 01:44:02 PM
Bye bye Formula 1 for Ralf Schumi. Worst result of all pipsqueaks that tested Force India car at Jerez, twice out of the road in the same turn. This guy is really a crappy pipsqueak now, he won't be missed. ;D
He's always been a really crappy pipsqueak, not just now. They thought he would be a good F1 driver just because he had a last name. What a fools!
Quote from: Chulk on December 07, 2007, 08:36:12 PM
Quote from: Krys TOFF on December 07, 2007, 01:44:02 PM
Bye bye Formula 1 for Ralf Schumi. Worst result of all pipsqueaks that tested Force India car at Jerez, twice out of the road in the same turn. This guy is really a crappy pipsqueak now, he won't be missed. ;D
He's always been a really crappy pipsqueak, not just now. They thought he would be a good F1 driver just because he had a last name. What a fools!
He managed to win 6 races during his career. That's not so bad. But he never was as good as his brother for sure.
OK, this is official now : Alonso and Piquet Jr will drive for Renault in 2008. Romain Grosjean (French driver winner of F3 EuroSeries in 2007 and Renault Formula in 2005) will be test driver for Renault.
Kovalainen seems to be the main choice for McLaren now as Rosberg Jr extended his contract (with a money improvement) with Williams by 1 year, that is until end of 2009.
Fisico's last hope is to drive for Force India, or will leave F1.
Alonso's d?j? v?? Nelson Piquet (the father) said his son won't be Renault's 2nd driver behind Alonso but will be a fair (meaning without any advantages, not good) hand to hand competitor.
I hope Nyalonso will feel the same at the end of 2008 that he did this year. A young talent made him fool... ;D
Quote from: CTG on December 12, 2007, 09:20:47 PM
I hope Nyalonso will feel the same at the end of 2008 that he did this year. A young talent made him fool... ;D
McLaren team made him fool, not an over-confident, not able to cope with the pressure to be favourite to win (Maybe he's French after all, right Krys? Just kidding, I like French people and specially you) newbie...
Quote from: Chulknot able to cope with the pressure to be favourite to win (Maybe he's French after all, right Krys? Just kidding, I like French people and specially you)
Lol ! That's why France may win versus Romania in QF of female handball world championship. Romania is vice-champion and finished 1st of its group while France finished 4th of its group. Romania is logical favorite, so France can win (like we did by 1 point versus Romania some months ago in the World Cup). :D
Sometimes Argentina has the same problem, specially in Volleyball. We play great matches against strong teams and then we loose easily against weaker teams.
Back to F1, people in Kovalainen's circle say he's going to race in McLaren (This is my wish) but Spanish sponsors are pressuring to have De La Rosa promoted and not stay as test driver. I think money will win over talent and De La Rosa will drive for McLaren as Spanish sponsors probably had enough with Alonso's situation and won't stand another one like that. Besides, Ron Dennis dislikes the good relation Heiki has with Briatore, though I'm not sure why (problems in the past I guess...)
I like Heiki and I'd like to see him race in a good team too. Hamilton-Kovalainen duo at McLaren next year would be fine and would show the real talent of Heiki.
Quote from: ChulkSpanish sponsors are pressuring to have De La Rosa promoted and not stay as test driver
Mutua Madrile?a decided to stop to invest in F1. They sponsored Alonso in Renault during 2005-2006 and followed him at McLaren for 2007. This "pressure" you were talking about may have failed (which is good news for Heiki) and so they decided to leave F1. Mutua Madrile?a couldn't follow Alonso back to Renault because ING (Dutch insurrance company, competitor of Mutual Madrile?a) is now sponsor of Renault.
Quote from: Krys TOFF on December 13, 2007, 04:28:18 PM
Mutua Madrile?a decided to stop to invest in F1.
Great! So now they can start investing on people's health and care :D. Chances increased for a new Finnish driver in McLaren, nice memories of a Finnish driver and his Brittish companion back in the end of the 1990's are coming to me. Let's wish they become true again...
Quote from: Chulk on December 13, 2007, 07:20:43 PM
Quote from: Krys TOFF on December 13, 2007, 04:28:18 PM
Mutua Madrile?a decided to stop to invest in F1.
Great! So now they can start investing on people's health and care :D. Chances increased for a new Finnish driver in McLaren, nice memories of a Finnish driver and his Brittish companion back in the end of the 1990's are coming to me. Let's wish they become true again...
We all forgot to talk about it, but it's official since last friday, 14th of december : Heiki Kovalainen will race for McLaren in 2008. :)
Great! At least something to ease my anger as my exam was postponed ('till next year) because my proffessor misteriously dissapeared from the face on Earth. >:(
ouch. Maybe he'll be a new F1 driver and went testing ;)
Quote from: zaqrack on December 18, 2007, 01:41:25 PM
ouch. Maybe he'll be a new F1 driver and went testing ;)
He'd better...
Quote from: Chulk on December 18, 2007, 12:59:58 PM
Great! At least something to ease my anger as my exam was postponed ('till next year) because my proffessor misteriously dissapeared from the face on Earth. >:(
If he comes back in two weeks, he might be the real Dark Chaser... ;D
Quote from: CTG on December 20, 2007, 03:35:33 AM
Quote from: Chulk on December 18, 2007, 12:59:58 PM
Great! At least something to ease my anger as my exam was postponed ('till next year) because my proffessor misteriously dissapeared from the face on Earth. >:(
If he comes back in two weeks, he might be the real Dark Chaser... ;D
LOOOOOOL!. I had to wait for 5 minutes until my laughter stopped to post this! Excellent joke CTG!
We've made a prediction game with Akoss for next season's TOP10 and the constructor's championship.
Drivers championship 2008
| no | Poo's prediction | CTG's prediction |
| 1 | Hamilton | Alonso |
| 2 | Raikkonen | Raikkonen |
| 3 | Massa | Massa |
| 4 | Alonso | Hamilton |
| 5 | Kovalainen | Piquet Jr. |
| 6 | Heidfeld | Heidfeld |
| 7 | Kubica | Kovalainen |
| 8 | Button | Kubica |
| 9 | Vettel | Rosberg |
| 10 | Piquet Jr. | Trulli |
Constructors championship 2008
| no | Poo's prediction | CTG's prediction |
| 1 | Ferrari | Ferrari |
| 2 | McLaren | Renault |
| 3 | BMW | McLaren |
| 4 | Renault | BMW |
| 5 | Honda | Williams |
| 6 | Red Bull | Red Bull |
| 7 | Toro Rosso | Toyota |
| 8 | Williams | Honda |
| 9 | Toyota | Toro Rosso |
| 10 | Force India | Super Aguri |
| 11 | Super Aguri | Force India |
Wow, CTG expects a good come-back of Renault in the top teams after an average 2007 season. I also think so, with the help of Alonso's capability of optimizing the settings. But not enough to battle for the win, just enough to kick BMW out of top 3.
Let me tip too :
Drivers
Hamilton (not always winning but always in top 5, this guy is really good and regular)
Raikkonen (often winning, and sometimes out of the race, this will cost him the champion title)
Alonso (Renault will improve during the year, but Alonso won't be champion in 2008. He will have to wait for 2009 to be champion again)
Massa (still good and regular, but will miss the good opportunities due to small mistakes or engine breakdown)
Kovalainen (Regular, maybe 1 victory this year, but not yet as good as Hamilton, even if I like this driver a lot more than I like Hamilton)
Heidfeld (still there, still good, but car won't be good enough, sadly for him)
Piquet Jr (promising driver, but will make some mistakes, as Kovalainen did last year)
Kubica (same as Heidfeld, and will do some mistakes too)
Rosberg Jr (improving again, but his car won't allow him to reach a better place)
Bourdais (his experience will help a lot Torro Rosso to improve and get better than Red Bull)
Vettel (talented driver, and with a good team and teammate to progress, may join a better team for 2009)
Trulli (Toyota car will suck again in motricity, but not as much as Honda one)
Couthard (his experience will help him gain points when one top team driver will be out)
...
Constructors
Ferrari (Regular duo in top 5)
McLaren-Mercedes (Hamilton champion, Heikki excellent 2nd driver, but overall a car with more problems and abandons than Ferrari one)
Renault (back to the top progressively during the year)
BMW-Sauber (will start good but will be bypassed by Renault progressively)
Torro Rosso-Ferrari (good pair of drivers, good engine, I hope thay can reach this 5th place, the 2 "Seb" deserve it)
Williams-Toyota (Nico is good, but that won't be sufficient to always be in points. And Nakajima Jr will just be there to learn for his 1st year, he won't get any point I think)
Red Bull-Renault (2 experienced drivers, good engine, but no better than 7th team overall. It would be good to see Torro Rosso better than Red Bull.
Toyota (I think they will leave F1 in a few years as a full team and will stay only as motorist, as Williams proved regularly that they can do better than Toyota with the same engine)
Super Aguri-Honda (go Sato, go ! Proove Honda that keeping Button and Barrichello as their main team drivers is a mistake and that you deserve a top team car ! Yes, I like Takuma Sato ;D)
Honda (rubens sucks, Jenson sucks, I don't like these drivers and I really hope Super Aguri to beat them like they almost did in 2007)
Force India (nothing to say, a bad team won't be able to create a good car just because team owner changed again)
It seems more and more that Fisico will be the 2nd enlisted driver of Force India. That won't change their classification anyway, they will be last. ;D
Tonight I had a weird dream about F1. They completed the first race with some tuned Seat Leon on an unknown short track around a castle and Kovalainen won ahead of Raikkonen and Nakajima, while the Renaults finished last. :D
I really miss Karthikeyan...
Look at the new aerodynamic element tested in Valencia by BMW :
(http://www.raikkonen-f1.com/img/news/BMW-01.jpg)
BMW's aerodynamics is always weird, remember the big nose of Williams BMW in 2004
(http://www.indymotorspeedway.com/04pics/04bmw2.jpg)
or the one in 2005 with two big standing paralel bars.
(http://www.motorpasion.com/images/bmw-nose-wings-1.jpg)
Valencia tests impressions :
- Ferrari and McLaren seems still on top.
- gap between Red Bull-Renault and Toro Rosso-Ferrari is reducing, there will not be big difference between them during the season I think, and I hope to see Toro Rosso drivers often in points (7th or 8th, I don't think they can do more except in special race circumstances).
- new Williams-Toyota seems promising, while 100% Toyota car still seems low-average car. I believe more and more that Toyota will only stay as engine supplier in F1 since 2010.
- Renault and BMW gap compared to Williams, Red Bull and Toro Rosso is decreasing, the battle for the points behind Ferrari and McLaren will be interesting !
- new Honda seems as bad as last year's Honda. Last year Super Aguri-Honda almost scored more points that 100% Honda team, I really hope to see Honda humiliated by Super Aguri's samura? (Takuma Sato, of course) in 2008.
- even Force India car seems better than new Honda car, I can't stop laughing !!! ;D
Team Honda:
Two excellent pilots - Car with little performance -
But arrives Ross Brawn. Not to forget that made in Ferrari next to Michael Shcumacher.
I wonder how many times can we see the usual kamikaze movements from Sato and Nakajima. ;D
Quote from: AbuRaf70 on January 30, 2008, 12:19:48 AM
Team Honda:
Two excellent pilots - Car with little performance -
But arrives Ross Brawn. Not to forget that made in Ferrari next to Michael Shcumacher.
Ross Brawn's influence will be seen next season, he arrived too late in the team to influence really the performance of 2008 car.
After having been taken a Sabbath year, it returns to the work Ross Brawn. He/she has explained that the car of last year had a lot of aerodynamic support that arrived in a very aggressive way. "In the new car we have treated that this aerodynamic support arrives in a more progressive way and facilitate the conduction of the car. We have made more narrow the back part of the chassis and changed the design of the car, with the possibility of carrying out many aerodynamic evolutions along the season, we have many new ideas that I wait they work well."
Quote from: AbuRaf70 on January 31, 2008, 03:01:04 AM
He/she has explained that...
LOL! I guess online translators translate he/she when "Tacit subject" is used...
I ask for forgiveness... me not you English, for what I write in Castilian and then the translator makes the rest... one doesn't eat it is the translation, if good or bad...
El traductor que usaste antes era mejor, este ultimo erro mas
End of september 2008... Singapore... The very first F1 Grand Prix that will be raced during the night (local time) !
Chulk.... usé el mismo traductor....!!!!
Como dije en mi anterior... no entiendo nada de inglés, por eso no se como salen mis comentarios... tendrán que poner "buena voluntad" o adivinar...
De ultima yo mas o menos lo explico, aunque se entiende bastante bien, no te hagas drama.
Surprising the performance of the Team Bull Rosso, being first in the rehearsals, deferring anything less to the McLaren and other... will they be able to stand out along the year...?
Quote from: AbuRaf70 on February 04, 2008, 02:21:36 PM
Surprising the performance of the Team Bull Rosso, being first in the rehearsals, deferring anything less to the McLaren and other... will they be able to stand out along the year...?
I think all teams didn't had the same amount of fuel in their cars, making the classification not really representative. This is always like that during tests sessions.
Very certain, Krys... I agree with you, but that good it would be that a team as Bull Rosso is in the " fight ".
Quote from: Krys TOFF on February 01, 2008, 12:51:01 AM
End of september 2008... Singapore... The very first F1 Grand Prix that will be raced during the night (local time) !
It seems now that Sepang race may also be raced during night (local time) for better TV audience in Europe since 2009.
Ecclestone now wants to force Australia to do the same, but it won't be as easy to convince Australian GP team as they are in F1 since much more time and so are less influenced by Bernie's wishes.
Bye bye Ron! (http://www.sportsya.com/noticia.php?id=171717&id_estruc=1) It seems McLaren Mercedes ceased Ron Dennis contract. Still to see who's coming.
Here (http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/motor/formula1/es/desarrollo/1094011.html) in Spanish is Marca's official web.
OK, news about his replacement. It might be Martin Witmarsh, though I don't have any background info to add.
Only info I could find about Martin Witmarsh. He's McLaren CEO.
Quote from: Chulk on February 26, 2008, 11:24:59 PM
Bye bye Ron! (http://www.sportsya.com/noticia.php?id=171717&id_estruc=1) It seems McLaren Mercedes ceased Ron Dennis contract. Still to see who's coming.
The link says: Mercedes fired Ron Dennis from McLaren. It might as well read as "Mercedes fired McLaren from McLaren"... The transition to a full manufacturer team won't last much longer now, within maybe five years McLaren's name will be just history :(
Quote from: Duplode on February 27, 2008, 03:37:02 AM
[...]Mercedes fired Ron Dennis from McLaren. It might as well read as "Mercedes fired McLaren from McLaren"... The transition to a full manufacturer team won't last much longer now, within maybe five years McLaren's name will be just history :(
Quote from: CTG on January 06, 2008, 11:18:13 PM
Sad but true. ;D
;D ;D ;D
The new safety-car, based on SL 63 instead of CLK 63.
(http://www.f1-action.net/infos/IMG/jpg/01_safety-car.jpg)
Realmente espectacular el nuevo auto de seguridad...
Really spectacular the new safety-car.
2008 season starts this night in Australia. 5 months break is way too long ::)
And don't forget to tip at F1Tipping. ;)
(http://images3.hiboox.com/images/1108/vuwwdkt8.jpg)
They all seem to smile, even Kimi (but he never was demonstrative).
Let's imagine what they could say :
Fernando : "Do you remember Lewis the fun we had last year ? Like, when I blocked you for your pitstop during qualifications ?"
Lewis : "That's right, and you lost the pole because of that ! ;D Do you remember too when you hit that wall at Fuji GP ? It was soooo fun !"
Fernando : "Yeah, sure, but the best was in China when you stayed on track during rain, loosing 8 seconds per lap, and finally crashed in the sand instead of changing your tyres ! I forgot to thanks Ron Dennis for his great strategy this day. ;D"
Kimi : "Keep it up this way for 2008 guys and I'll be champion again. ;)"
Why are Heiki's tyres with a black banner Lewis' ones are with a white one ? It should be opposite, no ? ;D
(http://images.gpupdate.net/large/93507.jpg)
Quote from: Krys TOFF on March 13, 2008, 12:38:22 PM
2008 season starts this night in Australia. 5 months break is way too long ::)
And don't forget to tip at F1Tipping. ;)
(http://images3.hiboox.com/images/1108/vuwwdkt8.jpg)
They all seem to smile, even Kimi (but he never was demonstrative).
Let's imagine what they could say :
Fernando : "Do you remember Lewis the fun we had last year ? Like, when I blocked you for your pitstop during qualifications ?"
Lewis : "That's right, and you lost the pole because of that ! ;D Do you remember too when you hit that wall at Fuji GP ? It was soooo fun !"
Fernando : "Yeah, sure, but the best was in China when you stayed on track during rain, loosing 8 seconds per lap, and finally crashed in the sand instead of changing your tyres ! I forgot to thanks Ron Dennis for his great strategy this day. ;D"
Kimi : "Keep it up this way for 2008 guys and I'll be champion again. ;)"
Nice dialogue!
Ron Dennis didn't leave McLaren Team after all... good for McLaren to stay as a team, bad for team reputation (Though I really hoped I'm mistaken here...)
En el desastroso y accidentado comienzo de la F1 2008, en Melbourne, quedó demostrado que el "control de tracción", que hacía que "pilotos mediocres" pasen a ser "buenos pilotos", ahora, en su ausencia, hace que "buenos pilotos" pasen a ser "mediocres", ya que creo, con la única excepción de Lewis Hamilton, todos los demás han tenido problemas...
En cuanto a Ferrari (de la cual soy simpatizante), ha tenido un fin de semana para el olvido...
Y Honda, de la mano de Ros Brawn, pareciera que quiere volver a los primeros lugares...
In the disastrous one and accident victim beginning of the F1 2008, in Melbourne, it was demonstrated that the traction control" that made mediocre pilots to become good pilots", now, in their absence, he/she makes good pilots to become mediocre, since I believe, with the only exception of Lewis Hamilton, all the other ones have had problems...
As for Ferrari (of which I am sympathetic), he/she has had one weekend for the forgetfulness...
And Sling, of the hand of Ros Brawn, seemed that he/she wants to return to the first places...
AbuRaf, the translator is so bad that I actually made more from reading the spanish text than the english :) Is there not a better one?
Anyway, you are probably right about traction control. Maybe it will take a long time for the drivers to get used to living without it. It was strange to have only 7 finishers! I was almost bored last year because there were always 16-18 finishers.
Asi es Bonzai, coincido contigo... cuando hay grandes cambios, por lo general les toma a los pilotos un tiempo prudencial, hasta que se acostumbran...
En cuanto a que terminaron solamente 7, recién me entero que lo descalificaron a Barrichello, lo cual baja en uno más las deserciones...
En cuanto a mi traductor, con éste me arreglo para leer lo que Uds. escriben... se nota que de español a inglés no anda tan bien... por lo tanto, como Chulk también me lo hiciera notar, de ahora en más escribiré en castellano y Uds. lo traducirán...
Quote from: AbuRaf70In the disastrous one and accident victim beginning of the F1 2008, in Melbourne, it was demonstrated that the traction control" that made mediocre pilots to become good pilots", now, in their absence, he/she makes good pilots to become mediocre, since I believe, with the only exception of Lewis Hamilton, all the other ones have had problems...
I disagree regarding pilots : Lewis was not the only one with a perfect GP regarding driver mistakes. Alonso did an awesome GP regarding his qualification and his car. Same comment apply for Bourdais, Heidfeld, Rosberg or Sato : no mistake for them.
On the other hand, numerous drivers did mistakes, that's right, starting with Ferrari drivers.
My opinion regarding this GP :
- Hamilton confirms his talent
- Bourdais confirms that he is a good driver and deserves a better car, without his engine issue he would have been 4th, resisting to Kubica, then to Alonso and Kovalainen, all with better cars than his
- Rosberg finally gets his 1st podium, he deserves it
- Alonso can bypass the limits of any car he has, he did a great race with great battles
- Honda starts to feel the effect of Ross Brawn regarding the car performance, too bad they have such crappy drivers
- Toyota is also improving, but again Jarno's possible performance was ruined by the lack of reliability of the Toyota
- Ferrari engines are fast, but not reliable this year. This may be a key issue for them in this championship
- Kovalainen still makes beginner's mistakes. He put the pitlane speed limiter on just after bypassing Alonso at the last lap, and so Alonso bypassed him again just before the finish
- McLaren strategy is still not the best. I don't think of Hamilton, he had no issue, but I think of Kovalinen who should have finished 2nd if pitstops/safety car management have been made properly by McLaren for him
- Bad strategy too from BMW. Kubica suffered from this while he could (should) have been on the podium
- On the opposite, excellent strategy of pitstops adjustements with safety cars for Toro Rosso, this is also why Bourdais was before Kubica, Alonso or Kovalainen for the last part of the race
- Force India "miraculous good results" during free runs showed nothing real in the race, but Fisico had no chance due to 1st lap accident
- Timo Glock had no luck for his 1st F1 GP, and shame to Australian GP managers who let such a mound of grass outside the race (instead of a full flat grass) that made him literally jump in the air. F1 passive security is for front/back impacts, not for up/down impacts. Glock's spine probably suffered a lot of the impact and it's not sure he can race in Malaysia this week-end.
Muy bueno tu comentario, Krys... estoy de acuerdo con él... yo quise ser breve, por eso solamente me referí a Hamilton... tu te has tomado el trabajo de hacer un estudio minucioso de todo el gran premio, donde resaltás el trabajo realizado por los demás pilotos...
Creo que todavía es muy prematuro sacar conclusiones definitivas, ya que se trata de la primera de las 18 competencias que habrá este año... esperemos que el domingo que viene podamos ver nuevamente lucha entre muchos equipos y que no haya tantos abandonos.
Quote from: AbuRaf70Muy bueno tu comentario, Krys...
Gracias Maestro. ;)
Quote from: AbuRaf70Creo que todavía es muy prematuro sacar conclusiones definitivas, ya que se trata de la primera de las 18 competencias que habrá este año... esperemos que el domingo que viene podamos ver nuevamente lucha entre muchos equipos y que no haya tantos abandonos.
Anyway, we should remind that last year Ferrari dominated 1st GP in Australia and the week after McLaren dominated in Malaysia. Maybe it will be the opposite this year. ;)
Excellent driving by Lewis, bit amateur Heikki. I'm satisfied with the result; especially seeing Ferrari drivers are unable to control the car with the new rules. :P
Quote from: Krys TOFF on March 17, 2008, 01:29:51 PM
- Honda starts to feel the effect of Ross Brawn regarding the car performance, too bad they have such crappy drivers
Was Barrichello re-fueling while Safety car was out part of the Ross Brawn effect? It doesn't feel like RB can do such mistakes...
Anyway, we should remind that last year Ferrari dominated 1st GP in Australia and the week after McLaren dominated in Malaysia. Maybe it will be the opposite this year. ;)
También hay que agregar a la lucha, a los BMW, que este año parece estar bien "afilados", no así Williams, que logró el podio por "decantación"...
Con respecto a Ross Brawn, no creo que haya sido responsable de los dos gravísimos errores cometidos por Barrichello: repostar estando el auto de seguridad y entrar a pista con el semáforo en rojo...
Quote from: Chulk on March 17, 2008, 06:08:19 PM
Quote from: Krys TOFF on March 17, 2008, 01:29:51 PM
- Honda starts to feel the effect of Ross Brawn regarding the car performance, too bad they have such crappy drivers
Was Barrichello re-fueling while Safety car was out part of the Ross Brawn effect? It doesn't feel like RB can do such mistakes...
I was talking about car's performance : Honda is back to the middle-class teams instead of end-of-the-grid teams.
Else, the Honda team showed a completely amateurism regarding pitstops and Rubens did one of his worst race ever. Maybe he doesn't know what a red light means, or he was just drunk. ;D
Quote from: CTG on March 17, 2008, 06:04:59 PM
Excellent driving by Lewis, bit amateur Heikki. I'm satisfied with the result; especially seeing Ferrari drivers are unable to control the car with the new rules. :P
Heiki was unlucky regarding pitstops management/timing from McLaren team.
Else, he did only 1 mistake : pushing the pitlane speed reducer just after bypassing Alonso, allowing Alonso to bypass him again just before the finish line.
Regarding Ferrari : Massa acted way too agressive during all the race. His problem at the start made him even more agresssive instead of claming down his temper. And in the end, his stupid accident with Coulthard made his car stop a few laps later.
I say stupid, because turn 1 wasn't best place to bypass Coulthard. Coulthard is never easy to pass, and he is agressive too. So, forcing like that was a bad option for Massa. He should have done it in turn 3 instead of turn 1, where there was much less risk to touch the 2 cars. coulthard and Massa were both responsible of this accident :
- Coulthard wanted to force Massa to brake before him and he "closed" the bypass possibility
- Massa wanted to pass anyway and when he touched the banked red/white part it pushed his car to the left, making his car go to the left. Then the hurt with the Red Bull was inevitable.
Regarding Kimi, well, he had no choice than to push hard to compensate his issue in qualification. He did well until he tried to pass Heiki. Then he pushed too hard and went to the grass. This is probably due to the fact that he could have done it well last year this way with the electronic help, but he found the limits of that kind of driving without electronic help. I think he could have waited a few too, like Massa with Coulthard, and try to find a better possibility instead of beeing this agressive, but you know, Iceman is not so icy since he drives for the "reds". ;)
The real stupid mistake of Kimi was when he put one wheel on the grass. Without traction control, this is a real mistake.
Anyway, the supresion of traction control showed some agressive pipsqueaks that the perfect driving is an art that requires cold blood. Hamilton, Heifeld, Rosberg, Alonso, Bourdais or Kubica proved they know what that means. Kovalainen, Sato, Glock and some others are close to it, but still have some progress to do. Massa, Raikonnen, Nakajima (quite lucky to reach the finish line after 2 accidents), Coulthard, Barrichello, Piquet and Davidson can all go back to driving lessons.
Some sons of fomer F1 drivers are good, like Rosberg or promising Senna in GP2, or Villeneuve who used to be good. Some are not (or not yet) like Nakajima and Piquet. In a few years we will see if beeing a "son of" is a real meaning of potential good drivers.
Quote from: AbuRaf70 on March 17, 2008, 09:57:30 PMTambién hay que agregar a la lucha, a los BMW, que este año parece estar bien "afilados", no así Williams, que logró el podio por "decantación"...
Kubica did well but was unlucky (again). Heifeld made a more "anonymous" race, but reached 2nd place. BMW is still the main outsider behind McLaren and Ferrari. Williams performance is mainly due to Rosberg. Like alonso for Renault, he can take the best of his car and get 110% of its possibilities. Put Rosberg in a McLaren and he will be a hard opponent for Lewis, like he was when they both were in GP2 some years ago.
Quote from: Krys TOFF on March 18, 2008, 09:54:31 AM
Put Rosberg in a McLaren and he will be a hard opponent for Lewis, like he was when they both were in GP2 some years ago.
I'm praying every single day for that to happen...
Muy lindos todos estos comentarios... afortunadamente, solo tendremos que esperar menos de una semana para volver a ver en acción a todos los pilotos con este nuevo sistema de manejo o sin control de tracción...
Veremos como sigue BMW... si el coche responde, sus pilotos también... al que creo le va a ser más difícil repetir su actuación va a ser a Rosberg, ya que él va mejor que su auto... Williams todavía no encontró el camino...
Todavía no terminaron los incidentes del GP de Australia... termino de escuchar en un programa de automovilismo que lo penalizaron con 10 puestos para la carrera de Malasia, a Nakayima, por haber chocado y sacado de la competencia a Kubica...
Jean Todt is leaving his charge to spend more time with his family. He asumed on July 1st 1993 (Ferrari hadn't won a title since 1979 with Jody Scheckter) and now, 15 years later, we all know how well Ferrari did under Todt's guidance. Hopefully, Ferrari won't fall again as before he came. Even though I'd love to see a crappy Ferrari, it would not be good at all for F1 fans.
After his crash with Massa in Australia, Coulthard breaks again his car during practice session in Malaysia.
http://www.motorsportmad.com/view/4126/f1-malaysia-2008---coulthard-testing-crash
Problem is that he simply run on a small banked part in a corner and it made his suspension explode, with one of the tyres running free. This is quite dangerous, because it means that maybe if a Red Bull car is in a crash during the race one tyre can go away and hurt a stewart or even run into the public.
As they have the same chassis, this issue is also probably present in Toro Rosso cars.
A study is on-going and Red Bull cars (and Toro Rosso cars too ?) could be excluded of the race in case dangerosity of the cars is confirmed. Red Bull team had to give some explanations to the Malaysian stewarts and seems confident to be allowed to race anyway.
More infos : http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/65952
Pareciera que Coulthard entró en una mala racha que no lo abandona... esperemos que pueda romperla y hacer una buena carrera... condiciones no le faltan...
El que dió una nota buena para los de Toyota, fué Trulli, quien momentáneamente en las pruebas de clasificación, estuvo en el primer lugar...
Pero las Ferrari, impusieron su dominio con el 1-2 que espero puedan repetir en carrera... Halmilton tendrá una estrategia distinta...?
Tal como lo presumía, Rosberg no pudo hacer una buena clasificación... los de William no pueden hacer funcionar el auto...
A diferencia de lo accidentado que fue el GP de Australia, el de Malasia se destacó por ser un GP muy tranquilo, y los abandonos, se pueden considerar "normales"... y muy pocos.. pareciera que los pilotos se cuidaron más o ya se están acostumbrando a manejar sin el "control de tracción"... o tal vez, las dos cosas...
Raikkonen se tomó revancha y ganó en forma impecable en Malasia... el que, tal vez por estar muy presionado, cometió un imperdonable error al despistarse y perder el segundo lugar, fue Massa, además de los 8 puntos de gran valor, tanto para él como para el equipo Ferrari... y hablando de Ferrari, que raro fue ver a Jean Todt sin el buzo antiflama, simplemente de camisa... tal como lo había anticipado Chulk, se retiró del equipo... pero escuché comentarios de que como Toro Rosso está a la venta, lo quiere comprar junto con su hijo... por lo que veo, se retiró de Ferrari pero no de la Fórmula Uno...
Y volviendo a la carrera, que lindo es ver en el "parque cerrado" a tres marcas distintas: Ferrari, BMW y McLaren y además, a Toyota, Red Bull y Renault en los 10 primeros lugares... esto presagia un promisorio 2008...
Quote from: AbuRaf70 on March 23, 2008, 03:49:34 PM
A diferencia de lo accidentado que fue el GP de Australia, el de Malasia se destacó por ser un GP muy tranquilo, y los abandonos, se pueden considerar "normales"... y muy pocos.. pareciera que los pilotos se cuidaron más o ya se están acostumbrando a manejar sin el "control de tracción"... o tal vez, las dos cosas...
Surely, except for...
Quote from: AbuRaf70 on March 23, 2008, 03:49:34 PM
(...) el que, tal vez por estar muy presionado, cometió un imperdonable error al despistarse y perder el segundo lugar, fue Massa, además de los 8 puntos de gran valor, tanto para él como para el equipo Ferrari...
...damn, right now I'm actually less motivated to support Massa than even in the worst periods of Rubens' Ferrari years >:(. Nevremind - current mood is: go Kubica, go!! (http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f283/Duplode/polsmiley.png) I really really hope the BMWs keep making progress at this rate.
Quote from: AbuRaf70Halmilton tendrá una estrategia distinta...?
McLaren strategy for Hamilton was almost as stupid as the one of last year in penultimate GP.
Lewis did long runs with soft tyres, finishing his runs with very used tyres and so no gain compared to hard tyres, and then he did a short run with hard tyres. I can't understand that, this is not logical according to tyre use in this GP. It could be interesting with tracks that let the tyres last longer, like Hungaroring, but not in Malaysia.
What I feel about Malaysian GP : - boring, not enough bypass while this track was supposed to be good for it. Best examples are Hamilton race behind Webber (no a try to bypass although his McLaren was obviously faster than Red Bull car) and Kubica's race. No pass, just drive to stay on the road, no risk taken = boring.
- only interesting moment was fight between Coulthard, Heidfeld and Alonso. 2 cars close in performance (Coulthard and Alonso) and a driver that really wanted to pass (Alonso) even without driving help = nice fight. Heidfeld used it to pass them both with his faster BMW. Nice moment. When I compare this to the time Hamilton just stayed behind Webber without any attempt, it makes me feel that Hamilton is fast, but doesn't have the guts to deserve to be world champion for the moment.
- good race for Toyota, Jarno did well according to his car, well done.
- best result ever for BMW (11 points in this race), they confirm that they are really dangerous for McLaren and Ferrari. and they have 2 fast drivers.
- bad race for Renault, the car showed its limits : Renault is not back in the top teams yet, that's obvious. Not so bad result for Piquet Jr after his disastrous 1st race in Australia : he finished the GP. But with an anonymous race : no bypass, all places he earned were due to abandons. This is not chauvinism, but when I see what Romain Grosjean (Renault test driver) can do in GP2 and GP2 Asia, well, it seems he deserves a seat in F1.
- very bad race for Williams, unable to confirm the good result of Australia.
- bad week-end for Bourdais : mechanical issue during practice and he made a mistake during the race so he could not confirm what he showed in Australia. Obvisouly, he is more efficient in street races than in standard circuit races, which is logical according to his ChampCar experience.
- I feel back to the Schumi's years of dominance when I see Ferrari's attitude : obviously Kimi has been favorised in race strategy and pitstop management. This maybe made Felipe quite angry and nervous, explaining his driving mistake. I don't know. But I would have prefered to see Kimi bypass Felipe on the track instead of in the pitstops.
- bad pitstop management for McLaren. Even apart from the issue at 1 tyre for Lewis, McLaren was the slowest in tyre changes. This is not acceptable from top team, even Force India pitstops were faster. Shame on McLaren team for that.
- Barrichello is the stupidest F1 driver. Another stupid penalty. Stop racing Rubens, you're too old. Give your seat to a real driver, like Sato who deserves more than a slow Super Aguri car.
General thought after 2 GP this season :Suppression of driving aids brings us back to the roots of F1, when driving style makes you win. Drivers that are able to make no mistake and that know how to manage their driving style aggressivity regarding their tyres will win. Kimi learnt the 1st GP lesson, and changed back his style to a "riskless" one. Felipe didn't and finished in the gravel. Even Alonso had to change his style, but he is the only one remaining with agressive bypass it seems. Other drivers are too cautious now as a single driving mistake will put you out of the race.
The suppression of driving aids was to bring back spectacular racing and give more lattitude to the driver, and to allow some driving errors to help bypasses. Result is only more abandons and less bypasses. So, the result is just the opposite of the original goal... thanks to Bernie Ecclestone.
Why I'm angry :Mass-dampers !!!
Renault innovated and developped it, used it and then other teams made all that was possible to make it forbidden (mid-2006). But, as Renault had to give technical confidential informations when they tried to make mass-dampers valid in 2006, other teams were able to learn from Renault about this system.
And now, since 2 races, we have Ferrari, McLaren and BMW (and Toyota too it seems, but not sure) that use a slightly modified mass-damper system, fully inspired by Renault one ! The slight modifications made it not forbidden. And as Ferrari and McLaren have more influence on Bernie than Renault, this system is now legalized while it was declared forbidden 1year and a half ago !!!
F*ck Bernie ! This motherf*cking bastard is nothing but bullsh*t ! If a system is legal, it is for everyone. If it's not, thn it's not for everyone too. No ? Yes ! Now, Renault will create again his mass-damper, but it will last a few weeks before they get it, and also they may have less performance one as they stopped developping it since mid-2006 because it was declared forbidden... Also, their chassis was not designed to be used with mass-dampers, unlike 2005 and 2006 one, so maybe the original gain of 3 to 4/10 sec per lap will probably be lower than that for Renault.
F1 is supposed to be for car innovations, and when there's one it's declared forbidden until Ferrari and McLaren have it, then it's legal. Same kind of thing happened many years ago with turbo engines, also created by Renault.
I don't say that just because I'm French (even if it's a part of my angryness regarding this attitude about Renault's innovation), but because I really think it's unfair. And, now that it's considered legal, what about other teams (Williams, Red Bull, Honda, ...) which won't have mass dampers then ? It's even more unfair for them because, unlike Renault, they don't have any experience of the mass-damper use. Either 1 team develop an innovation and should not share it with others, or else the system is considered legal clearly and all details are given to all the teams, allowing them to develop it if they want. But there, we have a middle-way chosen by Bernie, legalizing an innovation declared illegal less than 2 years before, and only because some teams decided not to respect the interdiction to use it !!!
Fair attitude would be to give money penalty to the teams using the mass-dampers, and say againthat they are still illegal. If Bernie want to declare mass-dampers back to legal, then he should tell it now for 2009 season, allowaing ALL teams to develop their system, not only always the same ones.
Again : my feeling is really that Bernie is Ferrari's and McLaren's d*cksucker. Period.
Mucho se había comentado que se cambiaba el diseño y medidas del alerón trasero, para permitir un mejor acercamiento y sobrepaso posterior... pero por lo visto en Australia, Raikkonen no pudo por largo tiempo adelantarse a Barrichello, y en Malasia, Hamilton no pudo con Webber, pese a que ambos tienen mejores autos... no resultará efectiva esta medida...?
En los autos Indy, también tenían este problema y con el cambio del alerón trasero, lo solucionaron... porque no ocurre lo mismo en la F1...?
Coulthard buying Toro Rosso : is it real or is it a 1st of April joke ?
Infos : http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080401093646.shtml
Yo había anticipado que como Toro Rosso está a la venta, Jean Todt y su hijo pensaban comprarla...
Pero, no es descabellado pensar que Coulthard piense en lo mismo... no nos olvidemos que Prost también tuvo su Team propio...
Quote from: Krys TOFF on April 01, 2008, 11:43:23 AM
Coulthard buying Toro Rosso : is it real or is it a 1st of April joke ?
Infos : http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080401093646.shtml
It was a 1st of April joke. ;D
Bye-bye, Max Mosley!!! ;D
http://www.index.hr/video/film.aspx?id=1704
Well, forever Robert Kubica, the first ever Eastern Central European pipsqueak to get pole position!!! Polish, greatest nation after Hungarian, can be happy about this result! BÖFF!
Nice, I wasn't aware of Polish-Hungarian friendship :) Forever Robert Kubica!! ;D
Aero tests in Barcelona.
Renault copy Red Bull's rear design :
(http://images.gpupdate.net/large/97058.jpg)
(http://images.gpupdate.net/large/97055.jpg)
And BMW too but with smaller size :
(http://www.f1today.nl/fotos/pk6eaq993.jpg)
the come-back of the ugly aero element in test for Honda:
(http://images.gpupdate.net/large/97057.jpg)
(http://images.gpupdate.net/large/97054.jpg)
And... Fisico leading the scoreboard with the Super Aguri today so far ! :D
1. G. Fisichella Force India F8-VII 1:19.721 33 pit :o
2. F. Massa Ferrari F2008 1:20.326 +0.605 44 pit
3. L. Hamilton McLaren MP4-22 1:20.452 +0.731 36 pit
4. F. Alonso Renault R27 1:20.632 +0.911 57 pit
5. N. Rosberg Williams FW28 1:21.033 +1.312 27 pit
6. N. Heidfeld BMW Sauber F1.07 1:21.391 +1.670 35 pit
7. R. Barrichello Honda RA106 1:21.726 +2.005 35 pit
8. T. Glock Toyota TF107 1:21.731 +2.010 36 pit
9. D. Coulthard Red Bull Racing RB3 1:22.253 +2.532 7 pit
Ferrari new nose in test, is it a coanda effect nose ? ::)
=> http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2008/0/524.html
Nothing is going to change with this. Ferrari vs McLaren in the full season, with some luck BMW can arrive to podium. Renault's W-type rear wing seems to be a fake one from the news of February.
I am not an aerodynamics expert but as far as I see, the downforce battle will have a main role in season 2009, especially after going back to the damned fast slick tyres. I would suggest some other wing types, but they know it better... I have those plans since 2002...
Remember downforce will be reduced for 2009 season, so maybe that's why they're trying those wings...
Spain. Alonso in first row. That's a bit weird. ;D
Shall I say there's almost no fuel in his car? ;)
Indeed. Bah... I tipped for Alonso in the Sunday Top 3, not Saturday - maybe the other way 'round would have been smarter ::)
Bye-bye Super Aguri... :( I will really miss Sato.
Quote from: CTG on May 06, 2008, 11:06:53 AM
Bye-bye Super Aguri... :( I will really miss Sato.
So will I... :-[ Come on nick Fry, kick off Barrichello and bring back Sato in Honda team. >:(
There will be only 20 pilots now.
Massa is retarded. Why did he win? >:(
Poor Sutil, skid off Kimi... >:(
Quote from: CTG on May 25, 2008, 10:51:20 PM
Poor Sutil, skid off Kimi... >:(
Yep, and all this happened because Nico rosberg made an error, crashing his car and forcing the pace car to be used. Of else force India would have earned its first points. Sutil is improving and learning race after race.
Quote from: CTG on May 25, 2008, 10:51:20 PM
Poor Sutil, skid off Kimi... >:(
I hope Kimi apologizes to Sutil. Imagine the situation the other way around... Kimi is actual champion and was leading the championship and an unknown driver makes a mistake and takes him out of the race. I don't think a top driver like Kimi would have been so "Sutil" as Adrian was and go to his pit without blaming the other and yelling at him at the end of the race.
I hope Sutil is going to a better team in 2009, he really deserves it.
I hope Sutil finds some consistence after this breakthrough, he had one or two nice races (Belgium IIRC) last year before descending again to a form slump.
Ok, forum main page is debastardized now... :-D
KUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUBBIICCAA !
Nice victory for him after his huge crash there last year. 1st Polish driver to win a F1 GP. Well done for BMW (Heidfeld 2nd), and a still surprising Coulthard 3rd.
Quote from: Krys TOFF on June 08, 2008, 08:42:48 PM
KUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUBBIICCAA !
Nice victory for him after his huge crash there last year. 1st Polish driver to win a F1 GP. Well done for BMW (Heidfeld 2nd), and a still surprising Coulthard 3rd.
Even if it was a lucky victory: FOREVER ROBERT KUBICA!!! Go Poland tonight, bring us the head of Ballack and Löw! ;) (for those who haven't heard about the scandal, check this: http://www.thelocal.de/12299/20080605/ )
Yesss! Great dat, great result!! 8) That this one be the first of many for Kube! Else, a very entertaining race, including by Hamilton's funniest brain fade to date (Sutil got partially avenged at least, very interesting his retirement was the trigger for that SC and all stops that followed... ;D). Very good race for Massa too, now it does look he managed to bring up his game - hopefully this will actually convert into momentum vs. Raikkonen... :)
A nice picture, text is "Do you see the red light ?". ;D
(http://images.gpupdate.net/large/102185.jpg)
Forever Robert Kubica, the first ever Eastern European to win a F1 grand prix!!! ;D
Stupid Hamilton!!! What was Ron Dennis thinking when he decided to keep Hamilton instead of Alonso? Stupid, Stupid, Stupid Ron Dennis!!!
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL !
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e197/MrWhite021/accident-2.jpg)
No comments about Massa's victory or him leading the championship... and it's been almost a week. It shows nobody around here likes him very much. Besides, he was just lucky, but still he deserved a mention I think.
Quote from: Chulk on June 27, 2008, 06:43:41 PM
No comments about Massa's victory or him leading the championship... and it's been almost a week. It shows nobody around here likes him very much. Besides, he was just lucky, but still he deserved a mention I think.
I like Massa... :D Even though he didn't inspire much confidence through '07 season, now he's beginning to show the consistence needed for being a genuine title contender. Anyway, it's interesting how he gets more than the average share of hate/dislike from F1 fans in Europe or elsewhere... ::)
Quote from: Duplode on June 27, 2008, 11:46:19 PM
Anyway, it's interesting how he gets more than the average share of hate/dislike from F1 fans in Europe or elsewhere... ::)
That's because he's an over-estimated mediocre driver in a top team in a top category.
Massa is like Barrochello or Irvine before him at Ferrari : good with a good car, but not a champion able to do the best with a not-top car.
Raikkonen and Alonso proved to be good, even with slow cars. But not Massa. My opinion only of course. ;)
I always say Massa is retarded... ;D
Quote from: Duplode on June 27, 2008, 11:46:19 PM
I like Massa... :D Even though he didn't inspire much confidence through '07 season, now he's beginning to show the consistence needed for being a genuine title contender. Anyway, it's interesting how he gets more than the average share of hate/dislike from F1 fans in Europe or elsewhere... ::)
Perhaps I should thank Massa for making my evaluation
so valid and consistent? :-X >:(
;D
Massa is a great driver : he did numerous errors and always managed to go back to the track and finish the race, while some others (Kubica, ...) made only 1 mistake and couldn't go back to the track and finish the race. So, Massa is good... In aquaplanning ! :D
Noticia de último momento....!!!
Escuché por radio, que el Banco Santander, no le renovará el contrato a McLaren al término de éste (creo 2009) por el mal trato que le dieron a Alonso...
En el 2010, se lo pasarán a Ferrari, con Alonso incluído... creo que allí Alonso será de "temer" ya que cuando tiene un auto que anda bien, "es imparable"....
Una muy buena noticia, para un Ferrarista como yo....
Yes, I heard that too. Sadly, I'm McLaren fan so it's not a great news for me... Kimi and Alonso together in Ferrari will kick ass.
Si, escuche lo mismo. Lamentablemente, al ser hincha de McLaren no me entusiasma la noticia. Kimi y Alonso en Ferrari va a ser un afano.
Si... creo que va a ser así, pero las carreras hay que correrlas, decía J.M.Fangio...
McLaren's evolution was clearly stronger than Ferrari's. It was said in The daily telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/2436986/German-Grand-Prix-Steering-clear-of-trouble.html), that new McLaren's steering wheel has 4 paddles at the back. 2 of them are for gear changing and every car has it. But the other 2 are used for adjusting Gear Ratio to achieve a better torque in every running gear. As a result of this, wheelspinning is reduced in low gears without lossing final speed or torque in high gears. Rules said this torque and gears change can't be done in one process, so having two different paddles (hence 2 diferent processes) bends this rule.
Quote from: Chulk on July 24, 2008, 09:15:34 PM
McLaren's evolution was clearly stronger than Ferrari's. It was said in The daily telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/2436986/German-Grand-Prix-Steering-clear-of-trouble.html), that new McLaren's steering wheel has 4 paddles at the back. 2 of them are for gear changing and every car has it. But the other 2 are used for adjusting Gear Ratio to achieve a better torque in every running gear. As a result of this, wheelspinning is reduced in low gears without lossing final speed or torque in high gears. Rules said this torque and gears change can't be done in one process, so having two different paddles (hence 2 diferent processes) bends this rule.
So McLaren is cheating as always...
It's not cheating until the stewards say it's cheating. Besides, rules are clear. They can't do it in one process, but pressing 2 diferrent paddles is 2 processes. Maybe interpretation will forbid it for future races, but there shouldn't be any penalty for previous use of them.
Hungaroring... One of the most boring tracks ever but still Hungarian. ;)
So, is any of you, hungarian guys, going to Hungaroring?
Quote from: Krys in every race ;D
Don't forget to tip!
Hehehehe
Quote from: Chulk on August 01, 2008, 08:24:08 PM
So, is any of you, hungarian guys, going to Hungaroring?
Nope. It's a lot better to watch in the TV. On the other hand I'll be in Kubica's hometown during the race. ;)
Quote from: ChulkQuote from: Krys in every race ;D
Don't forget to tip!
Hehehehe
:D
Too bad luck was cruel to Massa this time... :-\ But Kovalainen winning (and becoming the 100th F1 winner ever) is a good thing I guess :)
I'm happy for Heikki but I feel sad for my F1tipping ranking. :D
The best is emotion that rocks... Smashing Pumpkins.
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on August 05, 2008, 10:14:16 PM
The best is emotion that rocks... Smashing Pumpkins.
I guess BJ wanted to post there (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=2122.msg36897#new)
Quote from: Chulk on August 05, 2008, 11:52:45 PM
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on August 05, 2008, 10:14:16 PM
The best is emotion that rocks... Smashing Pumpkins.
I guess BJ wanted to post there (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=2122.msg36897#new)
My opinion too. :D
Quote from: Chulk on August 05, 2008, 11:52:45 PM
I guess BJ wanted to post there (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=2122.msg36897#new)
Where, here (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=2122.msg36920#msg36920)? :)
Valencia qualif : both STR cars in Q3 while there is no Renault and no RB-Renault cars in Q3 ! :o :D
Quote from: Krys TOFF on August 23, 2008, 07:23:30 PM
Valencia qualif : both STR cars in Q3 while there is no Renault and no RB-Renault cars in Q3 ! :o :D
LOL... :D but that also means I may have lost my best chance to capitalize on my Vettel bet by failing to tip yesterday (due to connection troubles) :-\
Valencia-city track, one of the worst track of Tilke. Anyway, was there any good track designed by Tilke ? Good track meaning one with bypassing during race, not only at pitstops...
Quote from: Krys TOFF on September 03, 2008, 10:48:47 AM
Valencia-city track, one of the worst track of Tilke. Anyway, was there any good track designed by Tilke ? Good track meaning one with bypassing during race, not only at pitstops...
Answer is only 2 letters...
Quote from: CTG on September 03, 2008, 11:25:51 AM
Quote from: Krys TOFF on September 03, 2008, 10:48:47 AM
Valencia-city track, one of the worst track of Tilke. Anyway, was there any good track designed by Tilke ? Good track meaning one with bypassing during race, not only at pitstops...
Answer is only 2 letters...
Si? ;D
Quote from: Chulk on September 04, 2008, 01:30:54 AM
Quote from: CTG on September 03, 2008, 11:25:51 AM
Quote from: Krys TOFF on September 03, 2008, 10:48:47 AM
Valencia-city track, one of the worst track of Tilke. Anyway, was there any good track designed by Tilke ? Good track meaning one with bypassing during race, not only at pitstops...
Answer is only 2 letters...
Si? ;D
No. :P ;D
Quote from: Duplode on August 06, 2008, 04:36:15 AM
Quote from: Chulk on August 05, 2008, 11:52:45 PM
I guess BJ wanted to post there (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=2122.msg36897#new)
Where, here (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=2122.msg36920#msg36920)? :)
WTF! Thanks Duplode :)
Nice view...
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=bbpLUZlV-A4 (http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=bbpLUZlV-A4)
The nigger deserved this punishment.
Quote from: Mark L. Rivers on September 10, 2008, 10:42:23 PM
Nice view...
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=bbpLUZlV-A4 (http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=bbpLUZlV-A4)
Excellent!
Quote from: CTG on September 11, 2008, 08:58:53 PM
The nigger deserved this punishment.
Totally, I thought about that as soon as he overtook Kimi and was not surprised when it was announced. Maybe 25 secs was too much...
Looks like we're set for an(other) interesting race tomorrow! Too bad I gave up on my Vettel bets of a few races ago... :D
Impresionante demostración de manejo, por parte de Vettel, tanto en las pruebas de clasificación como en carrera...
Será un nuevo Schumacher....?
Quote from: AbuRaf70 on September 15, 2008, 01:16:50 AM
Impresionante demostración de manejo, por parte de Vettel, tanto en las pruebas de clasificación como en carrera...
Será un nuevo Schumacher....?
CTG piensa que si.
CTG thinks so.
Quote from: CTG on October 08, 2007, 11:21:18 AM
...
8 Vettel ("baby-Schumi" in action)
...
BTW, he's the youngest F1 poleman and Winner. I'd really like to see him in McLaren together with Nico Rosberg.
Quote from: Chulk on September 15, 2008, 03:22:21 AM
CTG thinks so.
Quote from: CTG on October 08, 2007, 11:21:18 AM
...
8 Vettel ("baby-Schumi" in action)
...
BTW, he's the youngest F1 poleman and Winner. I'd really like to see him in McLaren together with Nico Rosberg.
I would like to see him in Ferrari together with Robert Kubica! ;D
I just heard it was the youngest Podium on F1 history as well.
Vettel se llevó varios récords: el año pasado, cuando lo reemplazó a Kubica luego de su accidente, fue el más joven en obtener puntos en la F1.
Y este año, en Monza, fué el Poleman y el Ganador más joven de la F1.
Y podemos agregar, que utilizó y ganó por primera vez una carrera con un motor Ferrari en un auto que no es Ferrari.
Serán varios récords que van a ser muy difíciles de superar.
I hope to see 0 points from Hamilton and Massa in the next two races, 20 from Kubica. ;D
Creo que ni Alfred Hitchcock habría imaginado un campeonato de la Fórmula Uno como el de este año...
Cuando Hamilton tenía la posibilidad de asegurarse el Campeonato, vuelve a repetir lo del año pasado... equivocarse en la largada, pese a proclamar a los cuatro vientos antes de la carrera, que no iba a ser agresivo y que no iba a repetir la estupidez del año pasado...
Sus buenas intenciones duraron solo 600 metros... hasta llegar a la primera curva, donde arruinó lo que podía ser una estupenda carrera...
Déjà Vu! Hamilton will suck again! Lucky for him, Massa is retarded (Copyright belongs to CTG ;)) and Kubica wasn't able to beat Alonso (he prooved once again he's the best, and unbeatable with a good car/team.)
This championship won't have a happy end for me, but it would be still better to see a retarded champion than an egoist, PR-built fashion driver.
Let's hope Alonso will crash into Hamilton - they are goooooooood friends. ;D
Quote from: CTG on October 30, 2008, 10:40:07 AM
This championship won't have a happy end for me, but it would be still better to see a retarded champion than an egoist, PR-built fashion driver.
Let's hope Alonso will crash into Hamilton - they are goooooooood friends. ;D
This is funny, I dreamt last night about that same thing happening and Alonso saying it's a race accident, nothing to argue about..." Hehe, hopefully...
Well, Lewis has 7 points more than Felipe.
Starting grip for Brazilian GP : 1/ Felipe, 2/ Jarno, 3/ Kimi, 4/ Lewis
Lewis willl want to add "style" to his world champion title, so he will start very fast, but will collide with Jarno at 1st corner, race is over for him. In the end, Felipe wins, Kimi will be 2nd. Felipe is world champion and Ferrari constructor champion.
Well, not sure it will happen, but it would be funny to see Lewis' face after such a scenario, or his father's face. ;D
No voice pro-Hamilton...? OK, then I want to say something...
As I said in the past, I never support Ferrari in my life, even if its factory, in Maranello, is far only about 150 km from my house. I always support drivers (not cars), mainly Niki Lauda (since 1975 with Ferrari when I was 6 years old, until his retirement after the title won with the McLaren) and above all Ayrton Senna, for me the absolute best driver in the history of the F1. After him, I was mainly anti-Schumacher (I could write a long post with all my reasons, but it's not my desire to do this now), trying to find, year after year, a driver who could be able to beat him, as J. Villeneuve succeeded to do, one of my absolute golden moments in whatever sport. After Schumacher's retirement, I thought that maybe I could support a Ferrari's driver, as Kimi Raikkonen. But when I saw Hamilton driving, I found again the same sensations I felt with Ayrton. Senna remains unreachable for Hamilton, but when I see the McLaren's driver, I see the same grim and the same agone, the real salt of every race. Think, but only for example, what he did last September at Monza. How many surpasses do you can remember from Hamilton? Maybe 10 or more. How many from others, Ferrari's drivers included?
Does he make too much strong actions when he races? I think that many of us will do the same, during a race. Maybe he can be not likeable. But he's the only able to arouse true emotions when he drives.
Maybe Hamilton will lose the title even this year, and Ferrari's fans will be happy again to win without a real champion, still in adoration in front of their metal idol. But Lewis Hamilton will remain a man who drives his car as a driver has to do if he races for passion a not in order to win a title.
Quote from: Mark L. Rivers on November 02, 2008, 02:22:24 PMMaybe Hamilton will lose the title even this year, and Ferrari's fans will be happy again to win without a real champion, still in adoration in front of their metal idol. But Lewis Hamilton will remain a man who drives his car as a driver has to do if he races for passion a not in order to win a title.
For me, one thing is true, indeed: Even as a Brazilian, I don't feel that much motivated for supporting Massa, at least not in this season. I could not feel the champion "vibe" as well...
Anyway, a bit more than three hours for the race. Although I do not live exactly close to Interlagos (~25km), we're getting intermittent rain showers already, and the sky looks blacker southwards, in the direction of the racetrack... ::)
F U C K O F F G L O C K ! ! ! >:(
Damn! I was really happy when Massa won (I hate Hamilton, he's really a good driver, but talks way too much and is too arrogant as well) but then I realized it was raining heavy and Glock wouldn't be able to stay in pace... Anyway, another year without a driver worthy to support, I only cheared for McLaren, but seeing how bad Heiki is (Ron, you should have kept Fernando) I was only interested in following Vettel's (who is my favourite driver from now on) improvement in hope to see him in McLaren soon...
Oh my, what a finish, what a finish...! and Hamilton was going to actively lose it again... ::) Well, now we'll see in next season to see if Hamilton will match his skills with more level-headness to defend his title, and whether Massa's performances will better capture our (or, at least, my) imaginations before the final race. And I really hope Renault will bring Alonso back to the title battle!
Quote from: Chulk on November 02, 2008, 08:20:33 PM
I was only interested in following Vettel's (who is my favourite driver from now on) improvement in hope to see him in McLaren soon...
Are you sure you want to see him paired with Hamilton at the current state of affairs? On a more immediate future, hopefully his machinery at Red Bull will remain competitive for next season, I want to see his star shining further as well...
Stupid Glock, why did he stay on dry tyres ?
Stupid Trulli, why did he ruin the race of Bourdais ?
Stupid Coulthard, why did he made a mistake at the very start of his last F1 race ? Not the best way to end a F1 career...
Oh, and congrats to lucky Hamilton. ;)
Too bad for Massa, but his stupid season start with 2 retirements at first 2 races due to his own fault cost him the championship in the end.
Quote from: Krys TOFF on November 02, 2008, 09:17:22 PM
Stupid Glock, why did he stay on dry tyres ?
Glock was 20 seconds behind Hamilton when it started to rain in the final. If he changed his tyres too, he would be remained behind... ;)
Quote from: Mark L. Rivers on November 02, 2008, 10:25:20 PM
Quote from: Krys TOFF on November 02, 2008, 09:17:22 PM
Stupid Glock, why did he stay on dry tyres ?
Glock was 20 seconds behind Hamilton when it started to rain in the final. If he changed his tyres too, he would be remained behind... ;)
Mmmm, well, that's right. ;D
Anyway, a priceless thing :
(http://fotos.subefotos.com/a984babe3db3feffe4e295c5e18197cfo.gif)
At least, Ferrari won the constructor championship, and Alonso took the 5th place in the championship to Heidfeld.
Hamilton won't defend his title - he can't win a championship from his own power, he needs a lot of luck (too much rain in this season, Massa's DQF at Hungaroring, Glock's cheat, etc.).
Quote from: Duplode on November 02, 2008, 08:44:15 PM
Quote from: Chulk on November 02, 2008, 08:20:33 PM
I was only interested in following Vettel's (who is my favourite driver from now on) improvement in hope to see him in McLaren soon...
Are you sure you want to see him paired with Hamilton at the current state of affairs? On a more immediate future, hopefully his machinery at Red Bull will remain competitive for next season, I want to see his star shining further as well...
I said I want to see him in McLaren, not that I want to see him with Hamilton! Of course I know this won't happen, so my expectations for next year is Renault keeping up with the improvement they did last part of the year so Alonso can show Hamilton he can beat him most of the times, with fair racing and no team cheating.
A guy named Fiszman is drawing some funny things about F1. Here is the one about last GP of 2008 :
(http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/3830/13420ansdutitredesenna1et8.jpg)
Translation : This year, Brasil celebrated the 20 years of 1st world champion title of Senna and the 20 seconds of 1st title of Massa. :D