I know I'm in advance, but I think Nick Heidfeld's comments regarding 2009 rules are important.
Here is a resume : in 2009, max allowed downforce will be divided by 2, and tyre heaters won't be allowed. Slick tyres may be back too, but not with ultra-soft gums like they were when they were used in F1. As traction control will also be forbidden since 2008, the F1 will be very hard to control and very dangerous, because horsepower will remain very strong but with a lot less grip overall.
It seems to me that it's a come-back to the deadly years of F1, when too many good pipsqueaks died while racing... :-X
I can understand the traction control suppression, because it will show the real talents of the drivers, but why suppress the tyre heaters and limit the down force ? With too cold tyres, F1 racing will seems like ice racing ! This is F1, not Andros Trophy !!! >:(
On the other hand, the aero downforce reduction appears to be something necessary to reduce the troubles with turbulence when enering a corner right behind another car, which is one of the main reasons why overtaking is so difficult nowadays. Driver safety is always a concern, but the higher standards of car construction of current F1 hopefully can mostly circumvent any problems. However, considering all of this the tyre restrictions mentioned are indeed really out of place... :-\
Quote from: Duplode
On the other hand, the aero downforce reduction appears to be something necessary to reduce the troubles with turbulence when enering a corner right behind another car, which is one of the main reasons why overtaking is so difficult nowadays. Driver safety is always a concern, but the higher standards of car construction of current F1 hopefully can mostly circumvent any problems.
They want more fight and more overtaking ? Then choose better the tracks ! There are large (not in length, I mean tracks where 3 or 4 cars can be side by side) and fast tracks in the world but FIA prefers slow sharp tracks...
I could understand a diminution of downforce, but not divided by 2 like it is planned. And a potential return of slick tyres can't balance it. Anyway, goal is obviously to diminish the highest speed difference between top teams ans small teams.
Quote from: Duplode
However, considering all of this the tyre restrictions mentioned are indeed really out of place... :-\
Sure. Cold tyres is just going back to the 50's, where so many drivers crashed. Let's hope they will change their minds regarding this point until 2009.
D. Coulthard explains here why tyre warmer should be kept : http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/64353
He talks about lower speed with cold tyres compared to hot ones and the risk of collision with the pitstops due to this speed difference.
Also, he talks about the pressure problem, remembering that low tyres have a too low pressure, and that is one of the problems (the other one was the suspension broken) that Ayrton Senna had on his car when he crashed and died.
I don't often say that Coulthard is a clever guy (well, so far I NEVER said it :D), but this time I fully aggree with him.
Quote from: Krys TOFF on December 11, 2007, 06:06:34 PM
I don't often say that Coulthard is a clever guy (well, so far I NEVER said it :D), but this time I fully aggree with him.
He might not be clever, but remember his wife...
About 2009 rules, no tyre warmers and harder slicks will surely result in many accident, hopefully not fatal as Security Systems are much better now. About downforce, it's good to see it will be decreased but I think only half is too much reduction. If they want more overtaking, leave Monaco, Australia and that kind of tracks out of here.
On the other hand, FIA might as well find anoter use for all the excess downforce - that would make racing much more interesting to all of us folks... Check: http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns19948.html :D
(Edit: Link edited, d'oh @ me and thanks Krys...)
Quote from: Duplode on January 08, 2008, 06:36:26 PM
On the other hand, FIA might as well find anoter use for all the excess downforce - that would make racing much more interesting to all of us folks... Check: http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns19952.html :D
Mmmm, I suppose you mean this news : http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns19948.html
(http://www.grandprix.com/jpeg/misc/toyotaad1-lg.jpg)
No Montreal race in 2009...
F U C K YOU MAX AND BERNIE!!!
Projects for future French GP of F1.
Magny-Cours will be used in 2009 probably because there's still a contract, but Bernie doesn't want it anymore.
Which projects to replace Magny-Cours ?
1/ Magny-cours 2 : an update of the current track with new F1 standards (new hostels, new roads to reach the GP location, ...). No real track modification, only the structures around the track will be modified and the track re-surfaced. Easiest to do, but not in the mood of Bernie who wants a race closer to Paris.
See 3 pictures of the project there : http://www.f1-action.net/infos/article8247.html
2/ Disneyland : a city roads track only for the F1 event, 30km east of Paris and not so far from my home. Favorite project of Bernie because he is a mouse. :P
(http://nsa02.casimages.com/img/2008/10/07/08100709595893873.jpg)
3/ Val-de-France, 25-30km north of Paris, close to the current moto "Carole" track. My favorite project because "Carole" moto track is planned to be closed and the creation of the F1 track would mean the creation of the "Club" track (see the pic) to replace it. In case this project is not chosen, there will be buildings everywhere to replace them, so it's now or never to build a new permanent track close to Paris that fits modern F1 standards and that would allow some more events than simply F1.
(http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/1962/projetpolevaldefranceen7.jpg)
Confirmation for 2009 : 17 GP. no Magny-Cours, no Montreal.
Anyway, here is the comparison between F1 2008 and F1 2009 specifications. Rear wing will be ugly : too high and not large enough. But if it will really help to see more bypassing, then why not ?
Suppression of all other weird aerodynamic elements will bring me back memories of F1 as it was some years ago.
(http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/1969/ah05novembre2008page41ic8.jpg)
Damn, this one is really ugly. And let me guess: it won't help the drivers in overtaking. Because most of them are too shy to make agressive movements. The Senna-Prost battles won't come back...
And even Prost-Senna battles were nothing compared to this : http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc2mzOFR_dg&feature=related
Best F1 fight ever, 3 crazy last laps and a duel for 2nd place between Gilles Villeneuve and Rene Arnoux (JP Jabouille on the other Renault was easy leader and won the race).
Quote from: Krys TOFF on November 05, 2008, 11:48:42 PM
And even Prost-Senna battles were nothing compared to this : http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc2mzOFR_dg&feature=related
Best F1 fight ever, 3 crazy last laps and a duel for 2nd place between Gilles Villeneuve and Rene Arnoux (JP Jabouille on the other Renault was easy leader and won the race).
Quote from: CTG on June 04, 2008, 10:32:44 AM
G. Villeneuve vs Arnoux, best few laps ever in F1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LzCqY8Wg5So
Already linked earlier by me.
Quote from: Krys TOFF on November 05, 2008, 11:12:46 PM
Suppression of all other weird aerodynamic elements will bring me back memories of F1 as it was some years ago.
Those rear wings bring me a couple extra years back...
(http://bp1.blogger.com/_E5n3j6YR978/R2V_zSSlSEI/AAAAAAAABJY/rjsx00swA4s/s320/lotus_49.jpg)
(pioneering Lotus rear wings circa 1968... :D)
But if it is to reduce the overbearing influence of airflow turbulence when following another car, it's all for good...
Quote from: CTG on November 05, 2008, 11:21:06 PM
And let me guess: it won't help the drivers in overtaking. Because most of them are too shy to make agressive movements. The Senna-Prost battles won't come back...
Hamilton-Vettel battles at least, maybe? :)
Quote from: CTG on November 05, 2008, 11:21:06 PM
Damn, this one is really ugly. And let me guess: it won't help the drivers in overtaking. Because most of them are too shy to make agressive movements. The Senna-Prost battles won't come back...
Alonso is brave enough to do some great moves... And Kimi is too, when he's motivated. Of course Vettel but I'm not sure about Hamilton...
Quote from: Chulk on November 06, 2008, 12:53:53 AM
Quote from: CTG on November 05, 2008, 11:21:06 PM
Damn, this one is really ugly. And let me guess: it won't help the drivers in overtaking. Because most of them are too shy to make agressive movements. The Senna-Prost battles won't come back...
Alonso is brave enough to do some great moves... And Kimi is too, when he's motivated. Of course Vettel but I'm not sure about Hamilton...
Really...? Wings needed overtake... (http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=5b8D0g0SmB0) ;)
Anyway, this is how F1 will look like in 2009, simply copying left part of last image to the right :
(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2227/ah5novembre2008page41fmsl6.jpg)
I like the front and main body look (I always found quite ugly all those aerodynamic appendixes), but I really don't like the rear wing look.
Rear wings sucks! And the rest is not that bad but I like the aerodynamic appendixes of a couple of years ago... Like McLaren mp4/19
(http://www.autosrapidos.com/superautos/m/mclaren-mercedes-mp419b01.jpg)
From the main image below, a guy named "kazi" and quite good in photoshop made the possible Ferrari F1 2009 liveries. Nice job, even if car's nose and front wing may be different from this representation.
Original document :
(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5354/ferrari09zt1.jpg)
1st livery :
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/suffolkben/F2009.jpg)
2nd livery (for countries where ads for cigarettes is forbidden) :
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/suffolkben/F2009_2-1.jpg)
Okay so it won't be that ugly... :D
Quote from: CTG on November 12, 2008, 04:28:15 PM
Okay so it won't be that ugly... :D
F1 Ferrari is always ugly. :)
Quote from: Chulk on November 12, 2008, 05:00:35 PM
Quote from: CTG on November 12, 2008, 04:28:15 PM
Okay so it won't be that ugly... :D
F1 Ferrari is always ugly. :)
The most disgusting F1 ever: the silver "mirror" McLaren. :P
Different KERS systems (comments in Italian, can you translate Mark ?) :
- "mechanical" system : http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=wr_77ZtdW6I&feature=related
- "electronic" system : http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=yCjueI9FQG0&feature=related
- another possibility for an "electronic" KERS : http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=hjhW9G5hPyc&feature=related
I'll try in launch break (when speakers' volume can be a bit high... ;)) hoping that comments are not too much tecnichals... ::)
Quote from: Krys TOFF on November 13, 2008, 10:56:50 AM
Different KERS systems
Now only nitro is missing from F1 cars... ;D
Official image of Williams 2009:
(http://static.nemzetisport.hu/db/0C/21/d00066C21ee9a3ce4d784.jpg)
Quote from: Mark L. Rivers on November 13, 2008, 11:17:23 AM
I'll try in launch break (when speakers' volume can be a bit high... ;)) hoping that comments are not too much tecnichals... ::)
Sorry, I'm not working in a missilery base... :D
For a translation attempt, no way today until here, I'll try in the evening or tomorrow...
OK, here we are...
It has been long a bit more than I thought, but a bit more easy... ;)
Hoping the translation works correctly...
Quote from: Krys TOFF on November 13, 2008, 10:56:50 AM
- "mechanical" system : http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=wr_77ZtdW6I&feature=related
During the brake, torque flow (green arrows) is transferred from the caps of the conical torque to the pinion. A little shaft, with free wheel, links in a solidary way a cogwheels joining with different diameter which works as revs multiplier.
This ratios cascade engages the flywheel mass (red arrows, weight = 5 Kg) generating an acceleration until 75.000 revs. The inertia so produced (orderly power pair to 80 HP) constitutes the kinetics energy accumulation that in acceleration phase returns to push the conical torque, jointly with the power distributed from the termic unit.
Quote from: Krys TOFF on November 13, 2008, 10:56:50 AM
- "electronic" system : http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=yCjueI9FQG0&feature=related
To avoid an invasive integration of the energy recovery system (grave components), the in-line positioning in the median zone of the car seems the most effective. The target performance of the hybrid solution can count on an additional power of 80 HP. During the brake, the inverter turns the generator in alternator mode, so to charge the battery that works with a voltage pair to 400 Volts and 800 Amh. During the acceleration, the accumulated energy supplies the electric engine, that helps so the termic unit.
Quote from: Krys TOFF on November 13, 2008, 10:56:50 AM
- another possibility for an "electronic" KERS : http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=hjhW9G5hPyc&feature=related
The hybrid solution that uses, jointly to a termic engine, a sophisticated electric system, demands a strategical positioning of components and accessories. The lithium battery is anchored to the background beside the engine. Inside the gearbox, we found an electric module directly linked to the conical torque by ratios. This unit works as flywheel alternator during the brakes in order to re-charge quickly the battery. During the acceleration, if the driver requests it, the unit becomes an electric engine thans to an inverter, that integrates the termic engine with a power until 80 HP, a cyclical operative condition that happens more times for every rev.
Thanks for the job Mark. ;)
Quote from: CTG on November 13, 2008, 04:39:29 PM
Official image of Williams 2009:
(http://static.nemzetisport.hu/db/0C/21/d00066C21ee9a3ce4d784.jpg)
Even if the high rear wing and, in the case of this Williams, the strangely shaped nose are kinda ugly, they seem to make the overall car shape more "lively" and interesting, a little bit like those weird cars from the seventies. I liked the result... :)
But this one is really ugly:
(http://static.f1hirek.hu/huge/P90044512_1000.jpg)
Interesting test today: quite mixed constructions of cars ("hybrid" solution between 2008 and 2009 rules); Sato won, Loeb finished 8th from 17 (WOW!!! :o), Senna kicked Di Grassi's ass but both finished as losers.
I want to see Rossi and Loeb at one of the F1 top teams in 2010. ;D
You can't compare times. BMW and Honda had 2009 specs with KERS, Williams had 2009 spec without KERS, Ferrari had 2008 spec modified to emulate 2009 spec, STR, RBR and FI had 2008 specs and only evaluated drivers (for STR and FI) or did runs for the fun (for RBR with Loeb).
The 2 STR were the fastest, but with much more laps than the others. Today (so far) it's the same except that Vettel replaced Loeb in RBR. Vettel had a mechanical issue but managed to do the 3rd best time behind the 2 STR with only 6 laps runned (versus more than 100 laps for Sato and Buemi...).
Also, some drivers tested slicks, other the 2008 tyres (like your picture of the BMW on the previous post.
So, really, beeing the fastest in that kind of test doesn't mean anything.
About Loeb anyway, he said that his experience of high speed in Le Mans 24Hrs last years and his test in 2007 of the Renault (while Kovalainen tested the Citroen C4) helped him to adapt his driving to the Red Bull car.
With the same car configuration (this way, you can compare results), Loeb did his best lap (of 82 laps) in 1'22"503 while Vettel, who knows much better the car (as only engine is different between STR3 and RBR4) and the track did 1'21"257 in 6 laps only. 1.3 second difference only is a very good performance for a newbie in F1 (and all kind of single-seater cars as Loeb only did karting and then rally), but Vettel beeing able to do such a time in only 6 laps is another proof of his talent. He will become the new Schumi very soon for German fans.
Quote
Formula 1 could see even more changes next season as Formula 1 boss Bernie Ecclestone has said the FIA is considering to introduce medals in F1. Ecclestone confirmed that he is seriously considering dropping the points-based drivers' championship for a medal-based title race, which should make it more exciting.
In case the FIA would introduce a medal-system in Formula 1 the winning driver will receive a gold medal, with a silver and bronze medal for second and third instead. So instead of receiving 10, 8 and 6 points the podium finishers will go home with a nice and shiny medal. Anyone not finishing on the podium would not receive any points but their finishing position will remain important for their overall ranking. The constructors' championship would remain unchanged and will still be based on a points system.
The medal-system could be introduced as early as next season. "The FIA and all the teams are behind it and it will be done," Ecclestone was quoted by British newspaper The Times. "Everybody understands gold medals and silver and bronze. Nearly all sports are done that way. The whole point will be, when they get to Melbourne for the first race, the guys will want to leave there with a gold medal. They don't want to leave with ten, eight or six points.
"The need for it was highlighted at the Brazilian Grand Prix at the end of this season when Hamilton only had to finish in the top five to win the title, not win. So this will encourage overtaking."
OK, now compare this medal system to current point system and see if world champion would be different. I think 8 or 9 of the last 10 seasons would mean a different world champion with this medal system compared to 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 system.
I understand the goal, but I don't like the method.
I would prefer the come-back to bigger point difference for the podiumers, like when it was 10-6-4-3-2-1. Something like 14-10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 would be better (to keep 8 best drivers awarding points like now) than only medals for podiumers and nothing for the others.
/Die Bernie mode ON
Any idea of Bernie is bullshit these days, like his attitude with Canada GP organizers. Die Bernie, die ! F1 will be better without you and your each-year-changing-rules-and-car-specs and without the too many amount of money required to host a GP. If it keeps this way, in 10 years there won't be any GP in Europe (except maybe Monaco) and all GP will be in Arab Emirates or countries like India who will be the only ones ready to pay such high fees just to have the possibility to host a Formula 1 GP. Even China starts to wonder if they want to keep paying more money year after year for hosting a GP...
/Die Bernie mode OFF
Honda... :'( :-\ Will we see only 18 cars on the starting grid?
http://f1.com/news/headlines/2008/12/8755.html
Quote from: CTG on December 05, 2008, 11:37:37 AM
Honda... :'( :-\ Will we see only 18 cars on the starting grid?
http://f1.com/news/headlines/2008/12/8755.html
Who cares? They don't add anything to the competition...
Quote from: Chulk on December 05, 2008, 11:42:20 AM
Quote from: CTG on December 05, 2008, 11:37:37 AM
Honda... :'( :-\ Will we see only 18 cars on the starting grid?
http://f1.com/news/headlines/2008/12/8755.html
Who cares? They don't add anything to the competition...
1, 18 cars are too few for 1:20-1:40 long tracks.
2, Qualifications will be even more boring.
3, Less pipsqueaks in the second half to crach with Nakajima. ;D
4, Button is a good pipsqueak, he's was only demotivated in 2008 - I think he's still better than Kovalainen, Fisichella and Piquet Jr.
5, Possibly this was only the first piece of domino, economical crisis can kill even more F1 teams and several clubs in other sports...
Quote from: CTG on December 05, 2008, 11:46:57 AM
Quote from: Chulk on December 05, 2008, 11:42:20 AM
Quote from: CTG on December 05, 2008, 11:37:37 AM
Honda... :'( :-\ Will we see only 18 cars on the starting grid?
http://f1.com/news/headlines/2008/12/8755.html
Who cares? They don't add anything to the competition...
1, 18 cars are too few for 1:20-1:40 long tracks.
2, Qualifications will be even more boring.
3, Less pipsqueaks in the second half to crach with Nakajima. ;D
4, Button is a good pipsqueak, he's was only demotivated in 2008 - I think he's still better than Kovalainen, Fisichella and Piquet Jr.
5, Possibly this was only the first piece of domino, economical crisis can kill even more F1 teams and several clubs in other sports...
1, I don't see much difference. Indy has a lot more cars and shorter laps and it sucks.
2, Only the first session (they never make it to the second...)
3, True, but Nakajima will crash either way, so don't worry. :D
4, I agree about Kovalainen (what the skid is he doing in McL?) and Piquet Jr. Fisichella is good, I always liked it.
5, Probably true.
6, Don't worry about Honda that much anyway. Bernie will go on with the "same engine for everybody" rule and F1 will die and become a drivers number reduced - non oval INDY. And Alonso will retire...
Qualif system is also under discussion to be changed, to get rid of the fuel quantity impact on qualif. I always found it weird to see a pipsqueak the fastest in Q2 (almost no fuel, just like old qualif system in which Senna was the best) and only 9th on the starting grid just because he had more fuel...
With only 18 cars on the grid, it will be a necessity to change qualif system anyway.
I fear about Bourdais' place now. Sato is not an issue anymore, if Honda stops F1, Honda will also stop supporting Sato. Without the money he could have brought to Toro rosso, Sato has less interest.
But now it means that Button is free. I fear it will be Buemi (90% sure) and Button at TR for 2009 instead of Buemi-Bourdais. It will be 2 "B"s drivers anyway. :D
What I fear now is that Toyota will also leave sooner or later. Especially with the Cosworth "standard" engine (back to the 70's-80's of F1 ?) that is coming for 2010 or 2011.
Maybe it will mean the come-back of F1 small entities all buying the same engine but building their own chassis ? Only Williams remains of these old-fashioned teams (McLaren too, but they are linked to engine builders since a long time now, they left the old artisanal spirit of F1 since ages, while Williams did it only during Renault engine period).
Maybe it will mean some GP2 team to go up to F1 with the Cosworth engine ? Anyway, "constructors" (Honda, Toyota, Renault, BMW, Mercedes (with McLaren)) era is close to its end. These standard car constructors are in F1 only to be seen, as a big advertisement. If costs are too high and results are not there, they will leave F1. They don't have to be there to sell cars, unlike Ferrari, or by passion (like Williams, RB and TR, FI and also partially McLaren).
Standard engine = no real interest for constructors. Engine development limitations was the beginning, the come-back of a standard Cosworth engine is the conclusion. After Honda, Toyota will leave in 2010 (except if they are really good in 2009), and Renault will probably do the same in 2 years if they don't manage to come back into top 3 teams. Same applies to BMW in case they decrease in performance.
Quote from: Krys TOFF on December 05, 2008, 04:28:58 PM
just like old qualif system in which Senna was the best
Yes...
With a crappy Lotus against Piquet, Mansell, Rosberg and Prost with absolute strong cars as Brabham, Williams, McLaren... Unreachable...
Results Season 1985 (http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/formula_one_1985_season.htm)
Team Season 1985 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_Formula_One_season)
Results Season 1986 (http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/formula_one_1986_season.htm)
Team Season 1986 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_Formula_One_season)
will it come to Argentina?
You like Bernie's idea of medals for drivers instead of points ? Or you think like me and think it's one of the worst idea of Bernie ? Then vote here : http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2008/12/8775.html (please vote no ;D)
Shitty, shitty... Shitty Bernie's idea ! :D
Gold medal would mean maybe more fight for the lead, but is will also mean almost no fight at all behind 4th place. F1 is already becoming less interesting among the years because of the lack of bypassing, I don't want a full season of GP like last year's Valencia city race. One of the worst F1 race ever : only 1 on-track bypassing along all the race !!! Bypassing players by doing faster pitstops is not what I call a good fight on tracks...
Quote from: alanrotoi on December 12, 2008, 12:45:34 PM
will it come to Argentina?
No, only in Brazil.
FIA and the teams have reached a consensual agreement on cost-cutting measures for 2009 and 2010, and it seems they've cut it pretty deep! For instance, the 2010 decisions include:
QuoteAt races there will be standardised radio and telemetry systems. Tyre warmers will be banned. No-one will be allowed to mechanically purge the tyres. Refuelling will be banned. The race distance may also be reduced depending on the results of market research.
Full story: http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns21039.html
Quote from: Krys TOFF on December 13, 2008, 12:11:14 AM
You like Bernie's idea of medals for drivers instead of points ? Or you think like me and think it's one of the worst idea of Bernie ? Then vote here : http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2008/12/8775.html (please vote no ;D)
Shitty, shitty... Shitty Bernie's idea ! :D
From the same source:
QuoteMarket research will be conducted to gauge the public reaction to a number of new ideas, including possible changes to qualifying and a proposal for the substitution of medals for points for the drivers.
So this time there is actually a slim hope our votes actually have some marginal influence on the outcome of this... ::) And of course, please vote no! :-X
I already voted no. ;) About cost-cutting measures, FIA and F1 teams agreed on the following for 2009.
1- Each driver will only have 8 engines to complete all of the 17 races in '09. They are still deciding if engines will have a RMP limiter at 18000, to avoid engine failures.
2- There won't be any private test during the Championship and factories must be closed for 6 weeks/year.
3- Teams will aso reduce the amount of mechanichs in every race by 30%
I think 2 and 3 are not that bad, but reducing the engines amount to less than 1 every 2 races really sucks.
Buemi confirmed for STR. And Ferrari confirmed Alonso for 2011, but said he could be there in 2010 if Kimi doesn't improve his 2008 performance in 2009.
1st F1 2009 presented, Ferrari one : http://www.f1-action.net/infos/article10307.html (http://www.f1-action.net/infos/article10307.html)
Quote from: Chulk on January 11, 2009, 04:08:50 PM
Ferrari confirmed Alonso for 2011, but said he could be there in 2010 if Kimi doesn't improve his 2008 performance in 2009.
Where did you got this info ? ???
Quote from: Krys TOFF on January 12, 2009, 09:28:32 AM
1st F1 2009 presented, Ferrari one : http://www.f1-action.net/infos/article10307.html (http://www.f1-action.net/infos/article10307.html)
Quote from: Chulk on January 11, 2009, 04:08:50 PM
Ferrari confirmed Alonso for 2011, but said he could be there in 2010 if Kimi doesn't improve his 2008 performance in 2009.
Where did you got this info ? ???
I read it in a Sports Paper (Ole)
Quote from: Chulk on January 12, 2009, 07:29:20 PM
Quote from: Krys TOFF on January 12, 2009, 09:28:32 AM
1st F1 2009 presented, Ferrari one : http://www.f1-action.net/infos/article10307.html (http://www.f1-action.net/infos/article10307.html)
Quote from: Chulk on January 11, 2009, 04:08:50 PM
Ferrari confirmed Alonso for 2011, but said he could be there in 2010 if Kimi doesn't improve his 2008 performance in 2009.
Where did you got this info ? ???
I read it in a Sports Paper (Ole)
Then I suppose it's just a reporter's speculation. There is an actual crisis about car constructors, and Ferrari is part of Fiat. Their goal is to reduce costs in a short future, the situation will probably be different in 2011. Alonso is not stupid, it's not during a crisis that he can get the best salary in a negociation, so what's the point to sign a contract now for 2011 ? Of course, it's different if he signed it 6 months ago, but that would mean a contract anticipated 2 years and a half before, which is quite unusual in F1.
Honestly, I don't believe it. Alonso told more than once that he wants to drive for Ferrari in the future, and Ferrari always answered that it was not in their plans. It's just since a few weeks only that Ferrari's manager said "it may be possible for the future but we have already contracts for pilots that we are satisfied with". So, it may happen that Alonso can join Ferrari for 2011, but I really doubt that a contract is already signed and I don't think Kimi will be fired at the end of 2009 in case he gets worse results than in 2008. He ended 3rd in 2008, which is not a so bad result IMO.
After some search on the web, it seems that the Italian newspaper
Gazzetta dello Sport also told that Alonso will drive for Ferrari in 2011 and that he "may" drive in 2010 if Kimi is not good enough in 2009. All this is imagined by reporters because Santander bank, one of Alonso's personnal sponsors, will be one of Ferrari's sponsors in 2010. But Santander's sponsoring is not only for Alonso.
Quote from: Krys TOFF on January 13, 2009, 09:23:51 AM
the Italian newspaper Gazzetta dello Sport
Newspaper with pink sheets, as pink is the jersey dressed by the leader of the Giro d'Italia, the race organized just by the same newspaper since the 1909, 100 years ago... ;)
It seems that Kimi will not use only fuel to fill his car... ;D
(http://moe.mabul.org/up/moe/2009/01/27/img-195604tpuo0.jpg)
Quote from: Krys TOFF on February 06, 2009, 10:27:51 AM
It seems that Kimi will not use only fuel to fill his car... ;D
(http://moe.mabul.org/up/moe/2009/01/27/img-195604tpuo0.jpg)
Excellent! ;D I like Kimi since he's racing at Ferrari - another alcoholist talent. ;D
Quote from: Krys TOFF on February 06, 2009, 10:27:51 AM
It seems that Kimi will not use only fuel to fill his car... ;D
Environmental consciousness, championing the switch to ethanol... ;D
Rules change presented with RBR '09.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwA7K_nOvO8#noexternalembed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwA7K_nOvO8#noexternalembed)
A potential new team named USF1 with drivers from USA only is planned for 2010.
I managed to find the very 1st picture of the track design. A killer car, obviously. Enjoy ! :D
(http://www.teamamericaf1.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/champion2010.jpg)
I heard about that. And they're planning to put Danica Patrick on one of the cars. Just a marketing move to make the US more interested in F1 since they lost both of their F1 GP's.
Quote from: Chulk on February 25, 2009, 03:37:06 PM
I heard about that. And they're planning to put Danica Patrick on one of the cars.
lol, probably not. Danica would be good to get sponsors, but not to get good results on tracks. :P She would be just a female Nelsinho Piquet : enlisted just to make some sponsors happy, but unable to get a good race except with a huge big luck like in Germany last season for Nelsinho.
They finally said it. Driver who wins the most races in 2009 will be the champion. Point system will be kept to decide in case of a tie and Constructors championship. Is it a stupid idea or what?
Quote from: Chulk on March 19, 2009, 02:57:17 AM
Is it a stupid idea or what?
It is. Imagine the same with Stunts: [you know who] is coming back (as usual), he wins 3 races in a row, disappears when he's finished with his good cars. After that BJ, Duplode and Ayrton win 2-2 races but they always finish in TOP4, collecting a lot more points than [you know who]. And still, the coward [you know who] wins the season. That's nonsense.
I think so too. But I don't know who... (ok, maybe I do...;))
Quote from: Chulk on March 19, 2009, 02:57:17 AM
Is it a stupid idea or what?
Grossly stupid. If there was any sporting issue to be addressed, the rejected FOTA proposal of 12/9/7/5 points would obviously have been enough. Hopefully the first half of the season will be reasonably balanced and thus things won't be screwed too much...
I really want to see a champion 4 or more races before the end, so FOTA get's their idea up their ass and think something different for the following years.
New scoring system 12/9/7... was a good idea, but this "medal" system is not suitable for racing sports.
12/9/7/5/4/3/2/1 point system was good because it meant more point difference between 1st and 2nd, privileging fight for the win, but also keeping the spirit of regularity.
It seems Ferrari was in favor of "gold medal"system because this way Massa would have been 2008 champion, but only because of FIA decision about Spa race and Lewis penalty on this race ! Imagine the anger of fans if now FIA can decide the champion just by penalizing the driver with the most number of victories to avoid him winning too much ? Will this be the 2009 way of acting of FIA to preserve the championship interest ?
Now imagine a season like 1989 (9/6/4/3/2/1 point system) :
- 6 wins for Senna, 1 second place but only 60 points overall because he had 6 retirements and the other races where out of top 6 (no points). Only 7 races out of 16 in points.
- 4 wins for Prost, but 81 points overall with six 2nd places, one 3rd place, one 4th place and one 5th place. Only 3 retirements, always in top 6 when he doesn't retire, 13 races of 16 in points.
Who is the best, the "win or loose" talented Senna or the "always in points" regular Prost ?
Sure, it's better to have fights for the win but racing sports are also meant to show the talent of drivers to use their car properly, to preserve it from mechanical failure. Remember that engines will have to last longer in 2009 (number of engines limited to 8 for all races and friday practice sessions) so managing your engine will be a good capacity to have.
I fear to see top drivers out of win possibility deciding to retire just to preserve their engine for next race when they will (maybe) fight for the victory... ::)
I also fear the decision of number 1 and number 2 drivers in each team very early in the season. As long as 1 driver has 3 wins and 1 retirement (30 points) while the other has four 2nd places (32 points), then they both deserve to fight for the title but team will probably decide to put all hopes on the one who already have wins, even if he has less points !!! Crazy !!!
FIA decision about "gold medal" system is just stupid.
Only teams interested will be those with a clearly defined number 1 driver and number 2 driver since season start, like McLaren (Lewis 1) and Renault (Alonso 1). All other team will be penalized as there's no clear number 1/number 2 decision until the 2nd driver has no more mathematic chance to be champion, it has been prooved last 2 years in Ferrari (it was completely different when Schumi was still racing though, Schumi was always choosed to be number 1).
I don't want to see a champion with less points during the season than the vice-champion.
skid Bernie Ecclestone and Max Mosley tyranny.
Team association (FOTA) has no power versus FIA, even since they managed to be all agreed on something (like 12/9/7... point system). Bernie and Max will kill F1...
Quote from: Chulk on March 19, 2009, 05:16:26 PM
I really want to see a champion 4 or more races before the end, so FOTA get's their idea up their ass and think something different for the following years.
Of course I meant FIA...
Quote from: Krys TOFF on March 20, 2009, 12:58:32 PM
I fear to see top drivers out of win possibility deciding to retire just to preserve their engine for next race when they will (maybe) fight for the victory... ::)
That's what I said to my father yesterday when we were talking about it...
Now that FOTA argued that passing that piece of... so ridiculously close to the start of the season was actually in breach of regulations, FIA took back the new system (or better, deferred it to 2010...). So for this year it'll still be 10/8/6...
That's some good news, but still FIA wll use it next year. I know FOTA will complain again, but FIA will find a way...
The Melbourne 3rd place saga ends with McLaren caught red-handed in not telling the whole story, LH getting disqualified and a scapegoat being found...
Quote from: grandprix.com
Lewis Hamilton went in front of the international F1 media in Malaysia and said that he had been misled when he went to see the Stewards in Melbourne and he did what he was told to do by sporting director Davey Ryan.
"I'd like to say sorry to all my fans who have believed in me and supported me for years. I am not a liar. I am not a dishonest person. I am a team player. Every time I have had to do something I have done it. This time it was a huge mistake. I am learning from it. It has had a huge toll for me. It was a lot to deal with. I was in the wrong and I feel I owe it to my fans to let them know that. Like I said I was misled.
"We went straight there and while we were waiting I was instructed what to do. I did not have time to think about what I was going to do. I felt awkward and very uncomfortable and I think the stewards could see that. I am not a liar."
Hamilton said that no-one else in the team was involved.
"Dave is a great guy and has worked for the team for many years and he is feeling it just as much as the whole team.
"The situation is the worst thing I have experineced in my life. That is why I am here. It is right for me as a human being and a man to tell you exactly what was going on. I am sorry for the embarrassment I have caused to may family and to the team."
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The McLaren team has confirmed that Dave Ryan has been suspended from his position as sporting director of the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes team.
Team principal Martin Whitmarsh said: "In my 20-odd years working for McLaren, I doubt if I've met a more dedicated individual than Davey. He's been an integral part of McLaren since 1974 and has played a crucial role in the team's many world championship successes since that time.
"However, his role in the events of last Sunday, particularly his dealings with the FIA stewards, has caused serious repercussions for the team, for which we apologise. Therefore, I suspended him this morning and he has accepted this."
Hamilton has lost (even) (more) respect points from me after this fiasco... and the same goes to his team :-X
They said they thought the stewards had check team comunication and therefore didn't think it was necessary to go through that... Stupid excuse in my opinion.
I'm very sad McLaren is on the news constantly for the wrong reasons... I hate Hamilton so it's ok for me if he's on the news...
Hamilton is a nagger. Yes, in the South Park meaning. ;D
So the diffusers quarrel has been solved at last - their allowance is a good thing I guess, at least based on the amount of BS the appealing teams have been saying over the last few days. Now the only major off-track drama we have to follow is whether McLaren will disintegrate over the rest of the season (or at least morph into something else...)
Vettel is the king of rain, Red Bulls are really strong (Newey is a genius), Brawn's dominance seems to be over, McLaren is (unfortunately) getting better and better, Buemi is quite talented, Kubica still can't drive when it rains, Ferrari is a joke: ZERO points, that sucks - without Schumacher (racing, not as tactics consultant :D) - Brawn - Todt, they are just a dumb rich team.
Quote from: CTG on April 19, 2009, 12:18:39 PM
Vettel is the king of rain, Red Bulls are really strong (Newey is a genius)
That's true, Vettel really seems to be Baby Schumi.
Quote from: CTG on April 19, 2009, 12:18:39 PMBrawn's dominance seems to be over
Not so sure about this... They were on podium.
Quote from: CTG on April 19, 2009, 12:18:39 PMMcLaren is (unfortunately) getting better and better
Fortunately they are!
Quote from: CTG on April 19, 2009, 12:18:39 PMBuemi is quite talented
He showeed some skills, let's see if he's consistent.
Quote from: CTG on April 19, 2009, 12:18:39 PMKubica still can't drive when it rains
Is Polish weather that dry! He simply sucks!
Quote from: CTG on April 19, 2009, 12:18:39 PMFerrari is a joke: ZERO points, that sucks - without Schumacher (racing, not as tactics consultant :D) - Brawn - Todt, they are just a dumb rich team.
Hpefully they'll have "a long string of misfortunes" (This is related with previous avatar) as they did before Schumacher-Brawn-Todt era.
Quote from: Chulk on April 19, 2009, 11:05:34 PM
Quote from: CTG on April 19, 2009, 12:18:39 PM
Vettel is the king of rain, Red Bulls are really strong (Newey is a genius)
That's true, Vettel really seems to be Baby Schumi.
Please don't say that, Vettel seems to be a pretty nice guy actually... ::)
Quote from: Chulk on April 19, 2009, 11:05:34 PM
Quote from: CTG on April 19, 2009, 12:18:39 PMBrawn's dominance seems to be over
Not so sure about this... They were on podium.
I think the main point is not so much Brawn's dominance, but rather that Brawn's performance was such a shock that people more or less ignored what Red Bull did at the first rounds, and they were (sort of) really unlucky at both Australia and Malaysia... glad I tipped Vettel for the win anyway :)
Quote from: Chulk on April 19, 2009, 11:05:34 PM
Quote from: CTG on April 19, 2009, 12:18:39 PMFerrari is a joke: ZERO points, that sucks - without Schumacher (racing, not as tactics consultant :D) - Brawn - Todt, they are just a dumb rich team.
Hpefully they'll have "a long string of misfortunes" (This is related with previous avatar) as they did before Schumacher-Brawn-Todt era.
It will be fun if we see something like a reprise of their 1979->1980 form drop (both Championships to 8 points in the whole season... :D :D). Except for Massa, of course :-\
And BTW: damn, poor Sutil... :( :(
Quote from: CTG on April 19, 2009, 12:18:39 PM
Vettel is the king of rain, Red Bulls are really strong (Newey is a genius)
Vettel is damned good on dry track too, I wonder about Red Bulls with updated diffusors.
Quote from: CTG on April 19, 2009, 12:18:39 PM
Brawn's dominance seems to be over
I was wrong. Button also deserves some good words, he's significantly better than old & crappy Barrichello.
Quote from: CTG on April 19, 2009, 12:18:39 PM
McLaren is (unfortunately) getting better and better
It continues... :-\
Quote from: CTG on April 19, 2009, 12:18:39 PM
Kubica still can't drive when it rains
And BMW is just a piece of crap now, poor Kubica.
Quote from: CTG on April 19, 2009, 12:18:39 PM
Ferrari is a joke: ZERO points, that sucks - without Schumacher (racing, not as tactics consultant :D) - Brawn - Todt, they are just a dumb rich team.
That's already a comedy, maybe the worst Ferrari ever seen.
One word for this season: CIRCUS! Losing all my interest in F1. :-\ >:(
Well, we should wait for FOTA to decide about the name and then open a topic for 2010.
F1 Split up (http://trendsupdates.com/fota-announces-the-creation-of-a-parallel-competition-to-the-f-1/)
Up to now I held the prediction that no split would actually happen, as none of the involved parts would be willing to burn money by the end of the day. In fact, I still think so - but with a lot less confidence now...
KO loss by Massa... ;D Nah really, let's hope it's a not a serious injury.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8vmbOPyp5k#noexternalembed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8vmbOPyp5k)
No, no, no! Don't do it! The legend must remain a legend (with a legendary last race, see the video)! Is he inspired by Lance Armstrong?
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/7/9703.html (http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/7/9703.html)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym-OyJxLOzI#noexternalembed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym-OyJxLOzI)
This will actually be interesting to watch - the guy really won't (can't?) turn down yet another test... and never mind his long period of inactivity, it's quite sure he can at least outdrive Raikkonen circa 2009 ::)
(And BTW, all reports indicate Massa is, at least to the extent possible after such a crash, thankfully doing fine. It seems flying objects are the main remaining risk to for open-wheel pipsqueaks in this era...)
I wonder how many will put Schumacher on Pole or bet for his victory in F1tippin... I sure won't, he doesn't have the car to do so.
Quote from: Chulk on August 01, 2009, 04:08:58 AM
I wonder how many will put Schumacher on Pole or bet for his victory in F1tippin... I sure won't, he doesn't have the car to do so.
And he won't be in the car to do so either. :P ;D :D
Quote from: Krys TOFF on August 21, 2009, 04:30:50 PM
Quote from: Chulk on August 01, 2009, 04:08:58 AM
I wonder how many will put Schumacher on Pole or bet for his victory in F1tippin... I sure won't, he doesn't have the car to do so.
And he won't be in the car to do so either. :P ;D :D
Of course not! He used his injury excuse because he knew he didn't have a winning car. He won't come back unless he knows his car will win...
RAI deserved no victory - justice for Fisichella! ;D Button is sucking again, he doesn't deserve the title. But who will be the champion? I can't really predict... MATHEMATICALLY there are still 8 pipsqueaks with some chance:
Quote from: F1.com01 Jenson Button 72
02 Rubens Barrichello 56
03 Sebastian Vettel 53
04 Mark Webber 51.5
05 Kimi Räikkönen 34
06 Nico Rosberg 30.5
07 Lewis Hamilton 27
08 Jarno Trulli 22.5
Let's forget about 5-8th place pipsqueaks, that sounds too crazy. Button seems to be in trouble, he'll have a hard time to save his advantage with a worse and worse car + racing moral. Barrichello found out how to drive this car and after Button's dominance he could overtake his teammate - but his car is not the best now. Vettel and Webber have about the same chance with the same technology - Vettel "burns" a lot more engines, it can be a crucial question. My tip is Vettel anyway.
Most undeserved world championship title this year, since I watch F1 (1992). After the circumstances got normalized, and other teams also dared to use Brawn&Co.'s semi-cheat advantages, Button was nowhere. Vettel and Hamilton were the best. BÖFF!!!
Nobody deserved this title in 2009.
And nobody will deserve in 2010. MSC is old.