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Posted by alanrotoi
- December 12, 2024, 12:16:12 PMWhat a mess 
Posted by Cas
- December 11, 2024, 12:28:26 PMI see that the version of Bernie's I have and the one I uploaded to R4K is the 1.0 version. Even my 1.1 copy has that one. I'll see if I can find it in R4K and ZakStunts version.
Aha! It looks like the R4K version does have Bernie's 1.1, but ZakStunts 2024 includes Bernie's 1.0.
Aha! It looks like the R4K version does have Bernie's 1.1, but ZakStunts 2024 includes Bernie's 1.0.
Posted by rallyfiend
- December 10, 2024, 07:27:54 AMQuote from: alanrotoi on November 26, 2024, 12:22:02 PMExactly. The difference is the horizon but the track is exactly the same.Thanks for clarifying. Not sure why they lost the variety of horizons going from 1.0 to 1.1.
Quote from: alanrotoi on November 26, 2024, 12:22:02 PMBTW @rallyfiend when we'll see you in the scoreboards of ZakStunts or Race for Kicks?Not sure; aside from needing to blow off thirty years of cobwebs, I'm flat-chat over the this new year's break, which is when I'd normally get back into gaming.or a Live Race event maybe?
Quote from: Duplode on November 27, 2024, 04:34:56 AMThe set is reunited, thanks again!You're welcome.
Posted by Cas
- December 04, 2024, 02:35:17 AMWow! So Stunts was distributed while it was still being, in a way, developed. It wouldn't be crazy to think there could be slight differences in the code as well, not just the data files, within snapshots of the same version at different times... but surely they made sure that replays were compatible within the same version.
Everything mentioned here is super interesting, but especially, the Bernie's differences call me to also split up the track in R4K like I did for Joe's. Victor Narl had been telling me about this too.
Everything mentioned here is super interesting, but especially, the Bernie's differences call me to also split up the track in R4K like I did for Joe's. Victor Narl had been telling me about this too.
Posted by alanrotoi
- November 28, 2024, 03:35:33 AMOoh! So when a friend gave me a Stunts copy in 1993 it was incomplete (some jaguar files were missing) but it was ok about Helens.trk! Just wow!
Posted by Duplode
- November 27, 2024, 09:22:54 PMQuote from: alanrotoi on November 27, 2024, 01:24:45 PMDoes Broderbund 1.0 comes without Helens.trk?
Indeed. A related observation is how in the ZakStunts Permanent Competition track pack (which, as we now realise, has the 1.0 versions of the other tracks) all the original tracks have October 1990 file dates, except HELENS, which has a December 1990 date.
Posted by alanrotoi
- November 27, 2024, 01:24:45 PMWhat do you mean with 5 tracks? Does Broderbund 1.0 comes without Helens.trk?
Posted by Duplode
- November 27, 2024, 04:34:56 AMQuote from: rallyfiend on November 26, 2024, 04:18:07 AMAttaching the zip. HIG files not included, presumably because they were modified from the originals.
The set is reunited, thanks again!
It's curious how the five tracks in Stunts 1.0 use the five available horizons, while four of the six tracks in Stunts 1.1 use Tropical. On the other hand, between adding HELENS and assigning DEFAULT to Otto (with the HIG) Stunts 1.1 has one track for each opponent.
Posted by alanrotoi
- November 26, 2024, 12:22:02 PMExactly. The difference is the horizon but the track is exactly the same.
BTW @rallyfiend when we'll see you in the scoreboards of ZakStunts or Race for Kicks? or a Live Race event maybe?
BTW @rallyfiend when we'll see you in the scoreboards of ZakStunts or Race for Kicks?
or a Live Race event maybe?Posted by rallyfiend
- November 26, 2024, 04:18:07 AMQuote from: rallyfiend on November 15, 2024, 12:15:42 AMThe zip I have found was made in 1999 from STUNTS 1.0 diskettes
Attaching the zip. HIG files not included, presumably because they were modified from the originals.
Quote from: alanrotoi on November 15, 2024, 04:45:03 PMAlso there are two versions of Skids
Do you mean differing other than the horizon setting? I haven't been able to find any other difference between versions where the source is original/reliable.
Posted by alanrotoi
- November 15, 2024, 04:45:03 PMAlso there are two versions of Skids 
Posted by rallyfiend
- November 15, 2024, 05:13:31 AMQuote from: Duplode on November 15, 2024, 01:30:45 AMHello and welcome, rallyfiend!Thanks. It's cool to discover folks are still interested in an almost 35 year-old game. That said, was probably my most played in the early '90s; even made a terrain editor (just found out about the Shift+F1 option!)
Quote from: Duplode on November 15, 2024, 01:30:45 AMDid you post your reply with the "quick reply" box at the bottom of the pageYes, that was it. Here's the BERNIES 1.0 track and comparison:
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Posted by Duplode
- November 15, 2024, 01:30:45 AMHello and welcome, @rallyfiend ! That is useful evidence, thank you. Those differences match things seen in the last couple of ZakStunts packages which had us puzzled. That specific Stunts folder having originated from someone, a long time ago perhaps, remixing BB 1.0 data files with BB 1.1 binaries sounds like a plausible course of events. (BTW, I don't think I had heard anyone mentioning the Bernie's or Default differences before now!)
On the attachments: I don't think we have a restriction for new posters. Did you post your reply with the "quick reply" box at the bottom of the page, or with the "reply" button directly under the post? The option to attach files only shows up with the latter. (We also found that pretty confusing when the SMF interface changed to be like that!)
On the attachments: I don't think we have a restriction for new posters. Did you post your reply with the "quick reply" box at the bottom of the page, or with the "reply" button directly under the post? The option to attach files only shows up with the latter. (We also found that pretty confusing when the SMF interface changed to be like that!)
Posted by rallyfiend
- November 15, 2024, 12:15:42 AMInteresting topic; I had recently found a old archive of Stunts 1.0 disks made in the late '90s (probably around the time I retired last PC with floppy drives) and got it going again under DOSBox-X. I'd never seen the later versions and only just found this site. Did some comparisons and have noticed there are also other track changes from 1.0 to 1.1, and I haven't found the 1.0 ones elsewhere.
Given these slight variations, it should be possible for tools like Bliss to correctly identify the different versions; right now, 1.1 tracks are reported as 1.0 by DSI, and 1.0 versions I have are reported as 1.1 tracks by Anonymous.
I was going to attach the tracks and a comparison image for BERNIES, but I don't seem to be able to do that, probably due to being a first-time poster.
* The zip I have found was made in 1999 from STUNTS 1.0 diskettes, and the tracks retain their original October 1990 dates, so I would be confident they're unmolested. I'm pretty sure I didn't delete any, so the missing HELENS.TRK is likely to be missing from the source (and there's no corresponding .HIG file, either).
| Track | Variation |
| BERNIES | In 1.0 the first few turns are different |
| CHERRIS | In 1.0 this track is called CHERRY.TRK, but is same |
| DEFAULT | In 1.0 the horizon is City (03), not Tropical (01) |
| HELENS | Not in 1.0* |
| JOES | Per this topic |
| SKIDS | In 1.0 the horizon is Alpine (02), not Tropical (01) |
Given these slight variations, it should be possible for tools like Bliss to correctly identify the different versions; right now, 1.1 tracks are reported as 1.0 by DSI, and 1.0 versions I have are reported as 1.1 tracks by Anonymous.
I was going to attach the tracks and a comparison image for BERNIES, but I don't seem to be able to do that, probably due to being a first-time poster.
* The zip I have found was made in 1999 from STUNTS 1.0 diskettes, and the tracks retain their original October 1990 dates, so I would be confident they're unmolested. I'm pretty sure I didn't delete any, so the missing HELENS.TRK is likely to be missing from the source (and there's no corresponding .HIG file, either).
Posted by Duplode
- October 12, 2024, 05:04:51 AMNice work, thanks! By the way, I probably should try setting a lap time on the "A" track...