Sometimes I feel it's time to change. I want Linux but my work needs Windows XP. Damn, this situation is crap. :?
Yes, my XP is in ruins again... :roll:
Linux is the operation system of monitor addicts, of men with cube-shaped face with glasses who learns maths and/or computer science. CTG, you are not that kind of man!
Quote from: "Akoss Poo"Linux is the operation system of monitor addicts, of men with cube-shaped face with glasses who learns maths and/or computer science. CTG, you are not that kind of man!
thats an outdated stereotype, there are some linuxes which are like that, and there are some which are easier to use than windows.
Red Hat Linux is for computer addicts, Mandrake Linux is for everyone.
Anyway, I still prefer good old DOS. :-D
I remember making batch programs, small but efficient ones, using "be" program (which means batch extented) to make some special effects and another small program called "3D Menu" for launching games.
A few months ago, one of my colleagues sent me a keylogger, but I detected it. I answered to him with sending him a batch file that I converted to executable and renamed it "sex.exe" just to be sure he would open it.
This simple batch program just renamed all his .mp3 files into .txt files in a few seconds. It took him 3 days to rename them all one by one !!! :lol:
This program also took all his True Type fonts and copied them to his Windows desktop. It also took his some time to delete the all in oreder to get his Windows desktop back. :lol:
I'm just a crazy guy sometimes... And I love it. :-D
I also liked the good old DOS the most. It would be the best if we had a modern DOS version. It is still the most intelligent operating system ever made. I also had many many batch programs, so for instance, I only had to type a single letter+enter to start my favourite games. Under DOS, it was available to start Windows, from Windows, we can returned to DOS... oh, good old times with my 386...
Quote from: Akoss Poo on November 02, 2005, 11:05:17 PM
I also liked the good old DOS the most. It would be the best if we had a modern DOS version. It is still the most intelligent operating system ever made. I also had many many batch programs, so for instance, I only had to type a single letter+enter to start my favourite games. Under DOS, it was available to start Windows, from Windows, we can returned to DOS... oh, good old times with my 386...
And DOSBox is not the same... Skid IT development! ;D
O.o talking about DOS as the most intelligent OS is very wierd and stinky.. Also I've never had a single problem with stability of my Windows. and to the topic - I think choosing your favourite OS is only matter of taste.
Quote from: Friker on May 30, 2013, 09:59:43 PM
I've never had a single problem with stability of my Windows.
Good for you. As far as I remember, Windows 2000 was a nightmare (with daily blue death).
Quote from: CTG on June 01, 2013, 12:07:30 PM
Quote from: Friker on May 30, 2013, 09:59:43 PM
I've never had a single problem with stability of my Windows.
Good for you. As far as I remember, Windows 2000 was a nightmare (with daily blue death).
O.o and it is said that win2k is the best of wins. :) well.. we agreed with my friends that stability of windows is matter of taking care of them.
Some time has passed. But some things never change.
Windows logic....
Ha, ha, ha! Well, I haven't used Windows on my own computer since about 2005 or 2006, but it was never my primary OS. I didn't have it before 2000 and in those years in between, I only used it to go online (which wasn't something you were doing all the time back then). GNU/Linux is much better in some respects, like about these auto-updates, but does have its daemons (literally :P). I particularily hate the dependency-hell problem, but several potential solutions have come up through the years and I expect one of them eventually will prevail.
I grew up with Windows, I have dyslexia and DOS wasn't easy for me. At the time windows was the only alternative I had access to. I was four when our first DOS computer came (work computer of my dad) and 5 or 6 when it was replaced with a Windows one.
I could just click on the game I wanted to play and that was easier than typing.
(True, I learned how to type enough to load a game before I could read and write. But I didn't have dyslexia back then)
When I was 5 I got seriously ill and although I got better within a week some minor brain damage was done.
Windows was a salvation and I have had most versions after that. At first because I had no choice but later because I knew everything about it, understood it logic. Can't get used to an other OS now. I've tried. I like Linux, more honest than Microsoft or Apple.
The laptop that was running Linux (mentioned that in an other topic) has been updated to Windows again because I broke Linux (Ubuntu and mint) for the fourth time in 2 months.
But it's amiliorated. (All native spyware removed)
No update, no edge browser, about 20% of windows removed. It doesn't even know if the computer has a internet connection because windows is not allowed to check. 8)
Makes it faster and more stable to ::)
That I can do no problem. Install a server, domain controller, no problems. Did it without trouble and learning afterwards that the things I did are normally learned in a full time 4 year education..
And then some...
I said, but it is logical, why would you need to go to school? Just do it.
So what some of you have with DOS or Linux, I have with Windows.
(Sorry for rambling on.. it's 11PM. Just got off work. I felt inspired 8) )
Quote from: Daniel3D on January 14, 2021, 11:00:28 PM
So what some of you have with DOS or Linux, I have with Windows.
I'm a "use the tool that does the job best" person, and Windows is best at... windows. I know Linux inside-out at this point, and I know my way around MacOS if I need to (hello latest job), but comfort means Windows. Tricked out, cut-down, re-configured, but still Windows.
And what I used to do on head-less computer, then later in a Linux VM, now runs in the linux subsystem.
Quote from: dreadnaut on January 15, 2021, 07:13:43 PM
the linux subsystem.
O, I loved when ms implemented the subsystem. I broke it in two days though.
Something with 'not intended to run a graphical interface' 8)
It could though, Gimp worked fine...
Yes, it breaks if you step outside the beaten path :) But you can uninstall and reinstall it in 3 minutes, and you are good to go again.
Quote from: dreadnaut on January 15, 2021, 11:40:54 PM
Yes, it breaks if you step outside the beaten path :) But you can uninstall and reinstall it in 3 minutes, and you are good to go again.
I know, but I didn't have a use for it other than exploring it's boundaries. It's on a 12 year old laptop. I try to keep it clean...
Quote from: Daniel3D on January 15, 2021, 11:59:29 PM
I know, but I didn't have a use for it other than exploring it's boundaries. It's on a 12 year old laptop. I try to keep it clean...
Makes sense. I use it to run web server and database. Most of the work for ZakStunts happens in there for example.
Using a typical GNU/Linux distro nowadays is really easy most of the time. There are situations in which everything becomes a hell, but that happens with Windows too. Things were different before Ubuntu started to become popular around 2005 or 2006. At that point, other distros followed suit and several easy-to-use ones were easily available and installations were easy too, including live-CDs. There will always be some hacker-oriented ones and that's great because otherwise, old hackers would be very disappointed, but for somebody who has never used a computer before, I would definitely recommend one of these distros instead of Windows.
The feeling that many people have that "linux is hard" or "linux is for hackers" comes from points like these:
- GNU/Linux used to be for hackers only
- Most people have not used anything but Windows for years, so any other thing will seem harder at first
- Most people that try to install GNU/Linux for the first time in their computers expect to have both it and Windows. Installing the two OSs together requires somewhat more knowledge. This is not a complexity of GNU/Linux; it is a symmetric complexity of both and it's primarily cause by Microsoft, because it does not want another system in your computer, whereas GNU developers actually want to facilitate this, to encourage adoption. Installing GNU/Linux alone is super easy
When I switched to GNU from DOS, it was not that easy for me. The system was super different. I was able to get it working. What I was not able to do at first was find a comfortable way to do the same things I was doing in DOS. That took longer. Now, from Windows, I expect that to be simpler, because they both are being developed in parallel, not one after the other, so they are kind of made for the same things.
Quote from: Cas on January 16, 2021, 07:01:27 AM
There will always be some hacker-oriented ones
Do you mean unpolished Linux versions for the seasoned Linux user?
Or distributions like parrot os?
Switching from Windows to Linux has become easier for the common home user. But if you want to do any system management the difference between the two is a big hurdle.
(The popularity of Android partly solves that issue)
Live-CD (or usb) I use mostly when in need of Linux. Parrot os has nice tool's and no trouble with Windows file permissions.
My biggest pitfall with Linux is that I approach it like I do with Windows. So when I wanted to explore the possibility to learn python I installed the python version recommend by the book I had.
I didn't know Linux runs on python (or something like that) and I kind of downgraded the python version of Linux and thus broke it.
(Probably very funny for Linux users, but I wasn't amused)
Linux for hackers, this can mean many things. What I meant in general was that some distributions, if you don't know the system well enough, you will have difficulties to install it and if you install it, it'll be hard for you to get to the point when you can use it to do the things you usually do on your computer. Depending on who you are and what you do on the computer, maybe even a distro as popular as Arch can be considered "for hackers"... or maybe not. Maybe Slackware... But regardless of whether they are for hackers or not, one thing is for sure: they are not for starters :)
System management covers many areas. I'm not great in this in general, on any system, but the things I know, I can do them for sure much better in GNU/Linux than in Windows. Like, if everything is running well, both systems are easy to use for me. If something fails and programs are refusing to run or there are crashes, I may be able to solve it in GNU, but certainly not in Windows. Of course, it may be that I can't even do it in GNU. In my experience, general system failure is more likely to occur in Windows, but this of course depends a lot on who manages the system. The Windows computers I've used in the last two decades were not mine, but from work. I manage my own GNU in my computer, so that could be the reason too.
I know what you mean about Python. Yes, it's not that "Linux runs on Python", but Python is very popular in the GNU platform, so a great number of popular tools depend on it, including tools that other tools invoke or depend on. As I said, I hate dependencies and I prefer to use things that depend on as few things as possible. So Python comes installed in all distros I personally have come across with and tampering with it may affect a number of tools. I don't use Python because I'm already used to FreeBasic and C and I don't feel like I need another programming language, then I haven't had these problems, but I have seen during installation of some tools that Python comes up frequently.
Quote from: Cas on January 16, 2021, 08:08:37 PM
If something fails and programs are refusing to run or there are crashes, I may be able to solve it in GNU, but certainly not in Windows. Of course, it may be that I can't even do it in GNU. In my experience, general system failure is more likely to occur in Windows, but this of course depends a lot on who manages the system.
My experience is completely opposite.
I've also never bought software (only some games) so I'm used to pirated software. And malware. I'm quite capable of identifying bad software and fixing my mistakes.
In Windows .. in Linux I pray somebody had the same problem and posted the solution.
I think I've bought software probably twice in my whole life. Once was Duke Nukem 3D Atomic Edition and the other was QuickView (a DOS image displaying program). In the DOS times, it was impossible to find original software in Argentina even if you wanted to. At the beginning I didn't even know that what I was doing was piracy ::). By the time I switched to GNU, I got those two originals (which are for DOS actually) online, but other than that, I haven't used commercial software... Ah! Except Minecraft, which I bought when it wasn't Microsoft's! That's the third. So I have been using mostly free software only.
The likelihood of general system failures without a question has to do with how you use it. I don't normally try to tweak my OS. Just using GNU appears to be something super stable. I've seen many Windows machines collapse without any changes being made by the user, just the system alone changing as it automatically downloads and installs stuff without you knowing. Of course, if you are constantly making experiments in a GNU system, things may be very different, but I don't usually do that, so I don't know. I can only talk for what I've seen. On the other hand, I know many skilled people who will never let their Windows installation fail, but that's because they constantly care about it and keep it in good condition. Again, I am not such person ;D