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Title: Goals in life.
Post by: Chulk on February 04, 2008, 05:37:46 PM
Here you can talk about your goals in life, what did you expected when you were a little boy, how is it now and what do you want for your future. Mine is to be a stockbroker and invest my own money. Of course having a wife and a cuople of kids too, but that will come only after...
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: CTG on February 04, 2008, 05:47:47 PM
Goals for short interval: to have a nice beer after dinner... ;D
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: zaqrack on February 04, 2008, 07:52:30 PM
My goal is now is to prepare my life so, that living in China will be easy and feasible, and I'll be able to support my fiancée (my wife by that time) from my salary while living there. I'd like to return round 2016 with at least one child from the three (or four) planned, and with enough money to buy a nice house somewhere in Hungary, where there is enough space to hold a comfortable stunts meeting :)
From that onward I need nothing else but a job I can enjoy and support my whole family to live along.
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: BonzaiJoe on February 04, 2008, 09:31:12 PM
Bless you happy souls :)

My goals in life are:

to do something really brilliant, preferably in music or in writing. To make something fantastic, and hopefully to create a living out of it, that enables me to live a life of constant change and diversity, no rules and limits and continuous inspiration :). Meanwhile, I will also enjoy the brilliant art (again particularly music and literature) that others have made in other times. I plan to die before I grow very old. (this is half-serious, in that it is a hope I have, but it does not mean I will kill myself in order to achieve it).
If I succeed in making something truly brilliant, I will use that to keep my depth-needs fulfilled while living a hedonistic life of trying out everything there is in life worth trying. "to live a life of running after joy and happiness, with my feelings always tearing at my heart".
When I die, I will stop existing. There is no afterlife, and that suits me fine!
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: CTG on February 04, 2008, 10:56:05 PM
But your name will live forever, being the member of Stunts Valhalla. :D
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: lised on February 05, 2008, 12:15:16 AM
When I was a little girl I wanted to be a circus princess and travel the world with my circus.

Now I have no idea what my goals are. There are many things which I think will make me happy, but then again I'm not sure they really would. I guess my goal is to be able to smile when I go to bed at night - at least most of the nights :)
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: CTG on February 05, 2008, 12:20:54 AM
My goal is to see Lise smiling - in my bed. ;)
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: lised on February 05, 2008, 12:45:15 AM
Quote from: CTG on February 05, 2008, 12:20:54 AM
My goal is to see Lise smiling - in my bed. ;)

I guess that's the last thing I would like to see in my bed - if I was any other than me that is :)
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: Chulk on February 05, 2008, 03:50:08 AM
Quote from: CTG on February 05, 2008, 12:20:54 AM
My goal is to see Lise smiling - in my bed. ;)
Good thing you said "smiling". Imagine if she were "laughing" in your bed, what could be so funny...

Of course I'm just kidding!  ;)
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: JTK on February 05, 2008, 09:51:33 AM
Oh my, goals...

I want to live!
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: BonzaiJoe on February 05, 2008, 10:29:06 AM
That is a tautology. Your goal in LIFE cannot be to LIVE, as that is a precondition of even asking the question. So, it cannot be a goal, because you cannot work to achieve it. You cannot pursue it, there is no movement.

But hey, whatever :)
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: CTG on February 05, 2008, 03:28:34 PM
BJ: what if JTK modifies his goal to "I want to drink Borsodi at WSM 2060?" ;D

Means almost the same...
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: JTK on February 05, 2008, 03:57:44 PM
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on February 05, 2008, 10:29:06 AM
But hey, whatever :)

Totally right!

But really, I have no "goals". I only have some wishes: making music, having time, having space, being not alone, being all by myself, being curiously, making even more music... but I won't describe any of that "goals".

PS: Anyway I want to drink Borsodi at every WSM! So start collecting some tins for me for 2008!!!
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: Argammon on February 07, 2008, 11:09:09 PM
QuoteWhen I die, I will stop existing. There is no afterlife, and that suits me fine![\quote]

I think you are very misguided here. To be more precise, I don't doubt that it might suit you fine if your statement was true. But unfortunatly it is not.

And in my opinion. It's not even a matter of believes but can be proven...

But hey, I gave you that information and you can freely disregard it if it suits you all fine.

;D
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: BonzaiJoe on February 08, 2008, 11:19:22 AM
Wow, I've never heard of "proven afterlife" before... But go ahead, give us the proof :)

Question 2: do other animals have an afterlife too?
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: lised on February 08, 2008, 11:32:39 AM
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on February 08, 2008, 11:19:22 AM
Wow, I've never heard of "proven afterlife" before... But go ahead, give us the proof :)

Question 2: do other animals have an afterlife too?

Of course animals have an afterlife! Just take a look at my dog; she'll be a queen in next life and will be nothing nothing but lying in a huge bed, surrounded by people who will be feeding her and patting her all day and night. Of course there will be another person making the decisions.

I can only tell what her afterlife is like. But I'm sure other animal have many afterlives too ;)
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: CTG on February 08, 2008, 12:54:56 PM
Other animals? Like Alain? ;D
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: Argammon on February 08, 2008, 04:33:58 PM
QuoteQuestion 2: do other animals have an afterlife too?

Yes. All of them. Even the most simple one's.

QuoteWow, I've never heard of "proven afterlife" before... But go ahead, give us the proof


The easiest way to prove it would be to take a shotgun and blast your head off, right? But I guess it's not that kind of proof you want to see, right?

So what are the other options?

1)"Proving" it on the forum. Now imagine I would pursue this idea. Just to get started in the whole topic I would proly have to write ~10 pages to make it sound believable to at least some degree. But those 10 pages would just lead to 50 more counter questions and I would be caught in an endless debate. So no, forum is way to tedious. And then, it's just talk and not learning by doing right?
This leads me to point:

2)Imagine I would kill you to a point where you are "nearly dead", needing to be reanimated. Most people who experience this are 100% sure of afterlife but hey, where's the proof? It could all be biased, constructed by chemical processes. So you need to be a bit lucky, being able to see or get information you are impossible to collect while being in that condition. For example "seeing" who was in the room 1 floor above to you without anyone having told you. If that or something similar happened to you I guess it would be enough for you to accept your "prove". Unfortunatly it wouldn't convince most other people so people who want to have "hard proof" have to experience it personally.
The whole process is kinda risky as you could easily die during the experiment if things don't work the way we planned them.

3)There are other ways to "confirm" it. But if I would write about them I would just sound more obscure and then, they are not as straightforward as 2) and tend to lead into bigger debates like in 1).

Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: JTK on February 08, 2008, 04:54:50 PM
I totally agree with Argammon, especially with his third point! I know and experienced, that people even turned away...
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: BonzaiJoe on February 08, 2008, 07:40:03 PM
Sorry not buying that... Because people have strange experiences when they are nearly dead, there is an afterlife, even for animals? Come on Argammon, master of logic, don't take that on yourself :)

And why disregard all the proof to the contrary? How can there be an afterlife? Who's creating it? How do you function without existing materially? How can you see, hear etc.?
It all demands some kind of very profound religion to be true.
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: Argammon on February 08, 2008, 08:24:30 PM
QuoteSorry not buying that... Because people have strange experiences when they are nearly dead, there is an afterlife, even for animals?

First of all it is not my job to convince you. I know that I am right and you WILL know that I am right once you are dead. Believe what you want. And "strange experiences" is a very weak explanation for unexplainable events and trust me I have dealt a lot more with that matter than you have. I know that my attitude is sometimes a bit arrogant on this forum on other topics. But that should not force you to disregard my opinion on this topic.

QuoteAnd why disregard all the proof to the contrary?

There does not exist a single proof that proofs the contrary. The only thing that exist are some counter arguments against arguments which promote afterlife.

QuoteHow can there be an afterlife? Who's creating it? How do you function without existing materially? How can you see, hear etc.?

I will answer without proving any point just for your information. It's your choice what you are doing with it.

1) Unspecific question
2) Noone is creating it. It's there.
3) Call it soul,ethereal body or whatever. Life is so different there that it's hard to describe in physical terms.
4)You can't really see or hear. But you are gathering information which you are interpretating as seeing hearing etc mentally as that is what you are used to when you die.

QuoteIt all demands some kind of very profound religion to be true.

Wrong. Either it is true and I am right or it is not true and you are right. Religion has nothing to do with it. The main point is that I have little gain trying to convince you. It's especially difficult to do this in english and on a forum. But since I guess you are not really interested anyways and think I am crazy to have that opinion it's not worth that I get into even more crazy details, right?
The only information that I think is valuable to tell you is that it usefull to be aware that afterlife is possible at the moment you die. If not it might have negative consequences as you might be totally confused thinking you are mentally ill...
I gave you that information and if you reject it or not is your choice. 
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: CTG on February 08, 2008, 08:44:28 PM
CAX The God says: there's afterlife, you will be my servants there! ;D
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: lised on February 08, 2008, 09:11:58 PM
Since it was now been proven that I will have an afterlife, I would really like to know what I will be in my next life :)
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: CTG on February 08, 2008, 10:04:33 PM
You will be as beautiful as now. ;)
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: lised on February 08, 2008, 10:08:05 PM
Quote from: CTG on February 08, 2008, 10:04:33 PM
You will be as beautiful as now. ;)

shit..I'm really unlucky  :-\
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: CTG on February 08, 2008, 10:10:12 PM
I don't think so. ;)
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: Krys TOFF on February 08, 2008, 10:11:48 PM
Quote from: Argammon on February 08, 2008, 04:33:58 PM
QuoteWow, I've never heard of "proven afterlife" before... But go ahead, give us the proof
The easiest way to prove it would be to take a shotgun and blast your head off, right? But I guess it's not that kind of proof you want to see, right?

So what are the other options?
Here is one : there is an after life and it's SOOOOOOO cool there that nobody ever wanted to came back from there to tell us, just because they're all too busy making party all the time ! :D :D :D :D :D

Here is another : you can buy it from LucasArts game (yes, editor of all the best 2D "point and click" adventure games)
(http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/boxshots/5/196555_pc.jpg) (http://www.csoon.com/issue16/shots/alife.jpg)

Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: lised on February 08, 2008, 10:15:09 PM
Quote from: Krys TOFF on February 08, 2008, 10:11:48 PM
Quote from: Argammon on February 08, 2008, 04:33:58 PM
QuoteWow, I've never heard of "proven afterlife" before... But go ahead, give us the proof
The easiest way to prove it would be to take a shotgun and blast your head off, right? But I guess it's not that kind of proof you want to see, right?

So what are the other options?
Here is one : there is an after life and it's SOOOOOOO cool there that nobody ever wanted to came back from there to tell us, just because they're all too busy making party all the time ! :D :D :D :D :D

Here is another : you can buy it from LucasArts game (yes, editor of all the best 2D "point and click" adventure games)
(http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/boxshots/5/196555_pc.jpg) (http://www.csoon.com/issue16/shots/alife.jpg)



Haha...now I'm convinced :D
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: BonzaiJoe on February 10, 2008, 12:06:59 AM
Quote from: Argammon on February 08, 2008, 08:24:30 PM
QuoteSorry not buying that... Because people have strange experiences when they are nearly dead, there is an afterlife, even for animals?

First of all it is not my job to convince you. I know that I am right and you WILL know that I am right once you are dead. Believe what you want. And "strange experiences" is a very weak explanation for unexplainable events and trust me I have dealt a lot more with that matter than you have. I know that my attitude is sometimes a bit arrogant on this forum on other topics. But that should not force you to disregard my opinion on this topic.

QuoteAnd why disregard all the proof to the contrary?

There does not exist a single proof that proofs the contrary. The only thing that exist are some counter arguments against arguments which promote afterlife.

QuoteHow can there be an afterlife? Who's creating it? How do you function without existing materially? How can you see, hear etc.?

I will answer without proving any point just for your information. It's your choice what you are doing with it.

1) Unspecific question
2) Noone is creating it. It's there.
3) Call it soul,ethereal body or whatever. Life is so different there that it's hard to describe in physical terms.
4)You can't really see or hear. But you are gathering information which you are interpretating as seeing hearing etc mentally as that is what you are used to when you die.

QuoteIt all demands some kind of very profound religion to be true.

Wrong. Either it is true and I am right or it is not true and you are right. Religion has nothing to do with it. The main point is that I have little gain trying to convince you. It's especially difficult to do this in english and on a forum. But since I guess you are not really interested anyways and think I am crazy to have that opinion it's not worth that I get into even more crazy details, right?
The only information that I think is valuable to tell you is that it usefull to be aware that afterlife is possible at the moment you die. If not it might have negative consequences as you might be totally confused thinking you are mentally ill...
I gave you that information and if you reject it or not is your choice. 


Well there's not much to talk about since you won't bring out the arguments. Anyway, thanks for telling me that I have an afterlife, but I'm not going to believe it just because you tell me... Am I going to live forever then? And there are so many other questions... like when was my soul created?
I am sure you have dealt with this kind of thing much more than I have, but still, you are talking about near-death experiences. But after you're die, your brain actually rots away and disappears. I think strange brain activity in a near-dead person doesn't really say anything about a "person" who doesn't even have a body, let alone a brain.
Your "I am sure I am right and you will know I am right" reminded me a bit too much of fundamentalists :/ Why should I believe anyone who says that? There are thousands of people who will tell me exactly those words and have a thousand different opinions. All sure they are each right and all the others are wrong.
Anyway, thanks for the information, it won't hurt me to have it. If you are right, I will buy you a beer in the afterlife :)
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: Akoss Poo a.k.a. Zorromeister on February 14, 2008, 01:52:24 PM
My goals in life... well, the border between minimum needs and goals, and between goals and dreams. I will score up my minimum needs, a realistic plan of my goals, a bit dreamy plan of my goals (I need luck to do this, but it wouldn't be a miracle), and I'm going to write about my dream goals, too. I would also divide goals into short-term, mid-term and long-term goals, but not now...

Minimum needs:
-a small flat to live in
-a job (soon) which I can do and more or less I like to do, and enough money to sustain myself without a big problem (including some money to travel and entertain myself of course)
-to travel as much as possible
-have friends, meet them regularly
-to be bored as little as possible

Goals:
-to find a job in my real profession, and to earn the average Hungarian salary with that (if I have to learn more to do this, I would like to learn, too)
-to live close to my closest friends in a flat
-to have a car
-to keep in touch with all my friends I have now through my whole life, and to get new ones
-to find a girl who will love me for a long time, and who matches with my minimum expectations (no piercing, no high heeled shoes etc.)
-to keep in touch with the MetNet and Stunts crew as long as possible
-to travel as much as possible, visit new foreign countries
-to attend as many heavy metal concerts as possible
-to attend as much parties as possible

Goals (a bit dreamy version):
-to womanize as much possible in the next three or four years, and then to find a beautiful, tall and thin, natural and very femaleish girl who would always love me (or to get Laura back :))
-to find a decent job in my profession with a good salary
-to live, love and work in the same place
-to live in a detached house, and to build up a meteorology station there
-to travel as much as possible abroad, at least visiting a country on a different continent
-to find a group of people to organize bike trips with around Kazincbarcika, and who would motivate me to ride my bike as much as earlier

Dreams:
-to find the perfect woman (see in an other topic)
-to find a job in my profession which I really love to do - the same work, the same hobby
-to travel very very much, to visit the Southern Hemisphere and to see the Southern Cross on the sky at least once in my life... no, to visit all of the continents at least once in my life ;)
-to watch a home match of the Pittsburgh Penguins and Juventus FC once in my life
-let my closest friends be my neighbours, and to attend parties and travel together through all our lives in our free time

BÖFF!!!
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: zaqrack on February 14, 2008, 07:54:17 PM
Quote from: Akoss Poo on February 14, 2008, 01:52:24 PM
-to keep in touch with the MetNet and Stunts crew as long as possible
-to attend as many heavy metal concerts as possible


Thats the Akoss we love :)


I started my first long-term investment portfolio today, is this growing up, or what? :)) I hope it'll help me to achieve my dreams. I was never pessimistic about my future, but since I got my new job, I feel I'm on the right track...
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: CTG on August 23, 2012, 11:42:19 AM
The Argammon-BJ arguement about afterlife is depressing.
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: BonzaiJoe on August 23, 2012, 07:44:51 PM
Thanks for reanimating this topic, CTG! I had totally forgotten about my promise to buy Argammon a beer in the afterlife.
I don't know why he believes there is an afterlife, but there must be very good reasons because he's otherwise very keen on being rational. Maybe he lost someone special at a critical time. It's sad when this kind of thing happens, but I don't think it justifies him or any religious people who might do the same thing to force-feed other people with strange beliefs without having them criticised.

But as I said, if I'm alive when I'm dead, I owe him one.
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: Chulk on August 23, 2012, 09:42:58 PM
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on August 23, 2012, 07:44:51 PM
Thanks for reanimating this topic, CTG! I had totally forgotten about my promise to buy Argammon a beer in the afterlife.
I don't know why he believes there is an afterlife, but there must be very good reasons because he's otherwise very keen on being rational. Maybe he lost someone special at a critical time. It's sad when this kind of thing happens, but I don't think it justifies him or any religious people who might do the same thing to force-feed other people with strange beliefs without having them criticised.

But as I said, if I'm alive when I'm dead, I owe him one.
If you're alive after you're dead, you're a zombie! (Or Jesus)
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: alanrotoi on August 23, 2012, 11:10:47 PM
Or Goku
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: CTG on August 23, 2012, 11:12:18 PM
Quote from: alanrotoi on August 23, 2012, 11:10:47 PM
Or Goku

or any other DB characters... (Vegita is the best :D)
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: Chulk on August 24, 2012, 04:59:47 AM
Sorry, I always found DB too boring and never watched it...
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: CTG on August 29, 2012, 09:48:44 AM
next goal of my life is to take the 50000th message
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: Chulk on August 29, 2012, 05:08:28 PM
Quote from: CTG on August 29, 2012, 09:48:44 AM
next goal of my life is to take the 50000th message
Mission accomplished then
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: Argammon on October 11, 2012, 08:03:48 PM
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on August 23, 2012, 07:44:51 PM
Thanks for reanimating this topic, CTG! I had totally forgotten about my promise to buy Argammon a beer in the afterlife.
I don't know why he believes there is an afterlife, but there must be very good reasons because he's otherwise very keen on being rational. Maybe he lost someone special at a critical time. It's sad when this kind of thing happens, but I don't think it justifies him or any religious people who might do the same thing to force-feed other people with strange beliefs without having them criticised.

But as I said, if I'm alive when I'm dead, I owe him one.

FYI, I fortunately did not lose someone special yet. Moreover, I don't care -at all- if you believe in the afterlife or not.
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: alanrotoi on October 11, 2012, 08:38:22 PM
Kinda rude, but it's an opinion.

There is an afterlife, is called Stunts Valhalla remember? It's where you are now racing with Bismark, CAP, Inavoeg, Alain, an many others.
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: Argammon on October 11, 2012, 08:51:42 PM
Quote from: alanrotoi on October 11, 2012, 08:38:22 PM
Kinda rude, but it's an opinion.

There is an afterlife, is called Stunts Valhalla remember? It's where you are now racing with Bismark, CAP, Inavoeg, Alain, an many others.

True, so there is an afterlife after all.   ;D
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: CTG on October 11, 2012, 09:17:53 PM
The Antichrist is back.

(kidding)
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: BonzaiJoe on October 12, 2012, 03:27:44 PM
Argammon! Welcome back. Insulting always works magically to bring you back. The only explanation I have is that you check the forum regularly, but only by searching for your own name. Either that or CTG took over your account  ;D
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: Argammon on October 12, 2012, 05:12:16 PM
Thanks for the welcome.  8)

The post I quoted was posted on August 23, 2012, 07:44:51 PM. Thus, maybe, I don't check the forum THAT regularly.  ;D

And yes, I did not want to write it, but using my name in the same sentence as "religious fanatics" and "force-feed with strange believes" felt like an insult to me. And just so you don't get me wrong: I am not surprised that you find these believes to be strange. I was more worried about the expression "force-feed".
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: BonzaiJoe on October 12, 2012, 07:34:10 PM
To be fair, I lumped you in with a lot of other people who do that. I wouldn't call anything in this thread "force-feeding".
Title: Re: Goals in life.
Post by: CTG on October 13, 2012, 01:19:44 AM
Helmut, when will you show something on the track?