Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: vamologocomisso on March 09, 2006, 09:18:03 PM
Post by: vamologocomisso on March 09, 2006, 09:18:03 PM
I created this topic in this section because its a south america?s competition, but I will write in english so our europeans friends can read and talk about it.
Some curiosity of mine about this competition that I like so much:
- Question for the europeans folks: It is true that in europe you dont give a damm about it ? Even dont know which teams are playing and the traditional ones? :cry:
- In argentina its also called Libertadores da America ?
Some curiosity of mine about this competition that I like so much:
- Question for the europeans folks: It is true that in europe you dont give a damm about it ? Even dont know which teams are playing and the traditional ones? :cry:
- In argentina its also called Libertadores da America ?
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: CTG on March 09, 2006, 09:41:03 PM
Post by: CTG on March 09, 2006, 09:41:03 PM
It's not very usual to follow Libertadores Cup in Hungary. But I've heard that Atletico Paranaense was a finalist last time. :)
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: vamologocomisso on March 09, 2006, 09:51:18 PM
Post by: vamologocomisso on March 09, 2006, 09:51:18 PM
Atletico Paranaense was not expect in the finals. Everybody suposed they would stop in quarter-finals, right Leo ? :P
My team is Corinthians, the most loved and hated in Brazil, and this year we will be the champions!!! 8)
We have the best south american player (Tevez - argentinian), one who servers Brazil, and other 2 or 3 who could. We are the brazilian 2005 champion. :-D :-D :-D
My team is Corinthians, the most loved and hated in Brazil, and this year we will be the champions!!! 8)
We have the best south american player (Tevez - argentinian), one who servers Brazil, and other 2 or 3 who could. We are the brazilian 2005 champion. :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: Krys TOFF on March 10, 2006, 10:36:49 AM
Post by: Krys TOFF on March 10, 2006, 10:36:49 AM
Quote from: "vamologocomisso"Question for the europeans folks: It is true that in europe you dont give a damm about it ? Even dont know which teams are playing and the traditional ones? :cry:I don't know anything about it.
- In argentina its also called Libertadores da America ?
If CTG had not answered mentionning Leo's favorite football team, I would not even know that you're talking about football. :lol:
Libertadores Da America... Mmmmm... Why talking about American Liberty for football ? :roll:
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: vamologocomisso on March 10, 2006, 01:47:08 PM
Post by: vamologocomisso on March 10, 2006, 01:47:08 PM
hehehe
you should know a little about libertadores, because many future football stars will appear here :wink:
in France, for example, in Lyon, they have Juninho(vasco), Fred(cruzeiro) and Cris(corinthians)
Well, unfortunally Corinthians lose yesterday(today) against Tigres from Mexico. :cry:
When the opponent is from mexico, colombia, equator, bolivia or peru, its allways trouble because they allways use their advantage of playing above 2500 meters (some places above 3000m), when the oxigen is rare and the local players is used to it.
When the opponent is from argentina, chile, uruguai, paraguai, and brasil, its hard to win in their homes, because they are strong.
you should know a little about libertadores, because many future football stars will appear here :wink:
in France, for example, in Lyon, they have Juninho(vasco), Fred(cruzeiro) and Cris(corinthians)
Well, unfortunally Corinthians lose yesterday(today) against Tigres from Mexico. :cry:
When the opponent is from mexico, colombia, equator, bolivia or peru, its allways trouble because they allways use their advantage of playing above 2500 meters (some places above 3000m), when the oxigen is rare and the local players is used to it.
When the opponent is from argentina, chile, uruguai, paraguai, and brasil, its hard to win in their homes, because they are strong.
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: Shoegazing Leo on March 10, 2006, 09:17:50 PM
Post by: Shoegazing Leo on March 10, 2006, 09:17:50 PM
Quote from: "vamologocomisso"hehehe
you should know a little about libertadores, because many future football stars will appear here :wink:
in France, for example, in Lyon, they have Juninho(vasco), Fred(cruzeiro) and Cris(corinthians)
Well, unfortunally Corinthians lose yesterday(today) against Tigres from Mexico. :cry:
When the opponent is from mexico, colombia, equator, bolivia or peru, its allways trouble because they allways use their advantage of playing above 2500 meters (some places above 3000m), when the oxigen is rare and the local players is used to it.
When the opponent is from argentina, chile, uruguai, paraguai, and brasil, its hard to win in their homes, because they are strong.
Jonh, Juninho Pernambucano started his career in Sport Recife and Fred in Am?rica Mineiro. This year, Atl?tico Paranaense is out, then I'll expect a good performance from Goi?s, because the coach, Geninho is an idol here (Brazilian Champion '01).
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: vamologocomisso on March 10, 2006, 09:32:54 PM
Post by: vamologocomisso on March 10, 2006, 09:32:54 PM
juninho showed his talent in Vasco, and Fred was inexpressive in America Mineiro.
em 2001 eu torci muito pro sao caetano ser campeao :roll:
engra?ado que aquele jogador sensa??o do atletico-pr sumiu depois daquilo. nem o nome eu lembro direito. alguma coisa mineiro, alem de kleber e kleberson, entre outros.
em 2001 eu torci muito pro sao caetano ser campeao :roll:
engra?ado que aquele jogador sensa??o do atletico-pr sumiu depois daquilo. nem o nome eu lembro direito. alguma coisa mineiro, alem de kleber e kleberson, entre outros.
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: Chulk on March 13, 2006, 02:39:05 PM
Post by: Chulk on March 13, 2006, 02:39:05 PM
Yes, in Argentina it is also called "Libertadores de America" as well as Club Atletico Independiente's Stadium (No-team has won the cup more times than Independiente with 7, 4 in a row)
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: Chulk on March 13, 2006, 02:39:41 PM
Post by: Chulk on March 13, 2006, 02:39:41 PM
Yes, in Argentina it is also called "Libertadores de America" as well as Club Atletico Independiente's Stadium (No-team has won the cup more times than Independiente with 7, 4 in a row)
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: vamologocomisso on March 13, 2006, 03:34:54 PM
Post by: vamologocomisso on March 13, 2006, 03:34:54 PM
Chulk, I really dont want to undeserve all the independente tittles, but until 10,15 years ago, the brazilian teams dont care much about libertadores. :twisted:
Here, the teams also dont care(d) much for "Brazil Cup". Only Brazilian tournament counts(ed).
Then they start to care for libertadores, and also Brazil Cup(because this championship guarantees vacancy in libertadores).
Here, the teams also dont care(d) much for "Brazil Cup". Only Brazilian tournament counts(ed).
Then they start to care for libertadores, and also Brazil Cup(because this championship guarantees vacancy in libertadores).
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: Krys TOFF on March 14, 2006, 01:22:02 PM
Post by: Krys TOFF on March 14, 2006, 01:22:02 PM
Here is the only "libertador" of America that I ever heard about until Leo and Vamolo started to talk about South America football :
(http://www.chapellerie-traclet.com/hat/images/Cheicon_beret-che-guevara.jpg)
:-D
(http://www.chapellerie-traclet.com/hat/images/Cheicon_beret-che-guevara.jpg)
:-D
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: CTG on March 14, 2006, 05:13:38 PM
Post by: CTG on March 14, 2006, 05:13:38 PM
Quote from: "Krys TOFF"
Che?
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: Shoegazing Leo on March 15, 2006, 06:59:40 PM
Post by: Shoegazing Leo on March 15, 2006, 06:59:40 PM
Quote from: "Krys TOFF"Here is the only "libertador" of America that I ever heard about until Leo and Vamolo started to talk about South America football :
:-D
Eira! Eira! Che Guevara ? da caveira!!!
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: vamologocomisso on March 15, 2006, 07:50:30 PM
Post by: vamologocomisso on March 15, 2006, 07:50:30 PM
Chulk (ou algum outro hermano argentino). O jogador S?rgio Ag?ero, do Independiente, ? realmente tudo isso que est?o falando ??? Dizem que ele pode substituir Ronaldo no Real Madrid, e j? compararam ele com Maradona e Messi... :shock:
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: Shoegazing Leo on March 15, 2006, 08:10:59 PM
Post by: Shoegazing Leo on March 15, 2006, 08:10:59 PM
Para os argentinos, o Gallardo foi um dos 300 novos Maradona
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: vamologocomisso on March 15, 2006, 08:34:04 PM
Post by: vamologocomisso on March 15, 2006, 08:34:04 PM
hahahahaha!!!
isso ? verdade.
a lista dos 4000 novos maradonas ? grande:
aimar, messi, tevez, gallardo(:shock:), riquelme, ortega(:shock:), milito, saviola, dalessandro, etc, etc...
os jornais argentinos s?o um pouco precipitados :wink:
isso ? verdade.
a lista dos 4000 novos maradonas ? grande:
aimar, messi, tevez, gallardo(:shock:), riquelme, ortega(:shock:), milito, saviola, dalessandro, etc, etc...
os jornais argentinos s?o um pouco precipitados :wink:
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: Shoegazing Leo on March 19, 2006, 02:28:19 AM
Post by: Shoegazing Leo on March 19, 2006, 02:28:19 AM
Messi tem potencial, mas ? muito novo para se dizer se vai ser de classe mundial
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: alanrotoi on March 19, 2006, 07:43:27 AM
Post by: alanrotoi on March 19, 2006, 07:43:27 AM
Hmm Krys I guess you're wrong. El Libertador de Am?rica is Jos? de San Mart?n.
(http://www.adonde.com/historia/images/1821san_martin_ar.jpg)
Also Sim?n Bolivar.
(http://www.ellibertador.com/images/Simon%20Bolivar%201.JPG)
El Che is another thing :)
(http://www.adonde.com/historia/images/1821san_martin_ar.jpg)
Also Sim?n Bolivar.
(http://www.ellibertador.com/images/Simon%20Bolivar%201.JPG)
El Che is another thing :)
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: vamologocomisso on March 20, 2006, 03:11:09 PM
Post by: vamologocomisso on March 20, 2006, 03:11:09 PM
well, for us brazilians it was Dom Pedro II.
Who said:
'Independencia ou morte!' =D>
Who said:
'Independencia ou morte!' =D>
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: Chulk on March 20, 2006, 08:57:12 PM
Post by: Chulk on March 20, 2006, 08:57:12 PM
Quote from: "vamologocomisso"Chulk (ou algum outro hermano argentino). O jogador S?rgio Ag?ero, do Independiente, ? realmente tudo isso que est?o falando ??? Dizem que ele pode substituir Ronaldo no Real Madrid, e j? compararam ele com Maradona e Messi... :shock:Sergio Ag?ero es un gran jugador, el mejor en Argentina probrablemente y tambien es cierto que Real Madrid lo busca. Messi es el mejor jugador juvenil del planeta y tiene potencial para ser el mejor de todos en el futuro, pero tanto el como Ag?ero son todavia muy jovenes.
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: alanrotoi on March 20, 2006, 11:31:44 PM
Post by: alanrotoi on March 20, 2006, 11:31:44 PM
Ag?ero es excelente y de verdad te digo que uno disfruta viendolo jugar.
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: vamologocomisso on March 21, 2006, 02:16:38 PM
Post by: vamologocomisso on March 21, 2006, 02:16:38 PM
O melhor jogador sulamericano atualmente ? Carlitos Tevez!!!
Ele ? jogador do Corinthians, meu time de cora??o, mas isso ? apenas coincid?ncia :-D :-D
Ele ? jogador do Corinthians, meu time de cora??o, mas isso ? apenas coincid?ncia :-D :-D
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: Chulk on March 21, 2006, 09:11:48 PM
Post by: Chulk on March 21, 2006, 09:11:48 PM
Es cierto que Tevez es uno de los mejores de America y el hecho de que se destaque en un grande de Brasil como Corinthians le da todavia mas merito
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: Shoegazing Leo on March 22, 2006, 07:35:58 PM
Post by: Shoegazing Leo on March 22, 2006, 07:35:58 PM
Quote from: "vamologocomisso"well, for us brazilians it was Dom Pedro II.
Who said:
'Independencia ou morte!' =D>
Dom Pedro II don't said "Independ?ncia ou morte!" Who said it was Dom Pedro I:
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: vamologocomisso on March 22, 2006, 09:25:29 PM
Post by: vamologocomisso on March 22, 2006, 09:25:29 PM
Leo, you couldnt just left the way it was ??? Nobody would know :oops: :roll: :-D :-D :-D
now, Im an idiot! :? :cry: :cry:
now, Im an idiot! :? :cry: :cry:
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: alanrotoi on March 22, 2006, 09:52:26 PM
Post by: alanrotoi on March 22, 2006, 09:52:26 PM
Quote from: "vamologocomisso"Chulk, I really dont want to undeserve all the independente tittles, but until 10,15 years ago, the brazilian teams dont care much about libertadores. :twisted:
Here, the teams also dont care(d) much for "Brazil Cup". Only Brazilian tournament counts(ed).
Then they start to care for libertadores, and also Brazil Cup(because this championship guarantees vacancy in libertadores).
Si en Brasil no es muy importante la copa libertadores, ?por qu? abriste este post? Me parece que es mas importante de lo que quieren aceptar!! :lol:
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: Renato Biker on March 23, 2006, 04:12:19 AM
Post by: Renato Biker on March 23, 2006, 04:12:19 AM
I hate football
eu odeio futebol
yo odio futebol
Ich hasse Fu?ball
Je d?teste le football
Odio il football
:D :D :D :D
eu odeio futebol
yo odio futebol
Ich hasse Fu?ball
Je d?teste le football
Odio il football
:D :D :D :D
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: vamologocomisso on March 23, 2006, 01:59:25 PM
Post by: vamologocomisso on March 23, 2006, 01:59:25 PM
Alan, isso era no passado. j? faz muito tempo que os times brasileiros d?o muita importancia para a libertadores :wink:
Renato, Voc? ? uma vergonha para o povo Brasileiro! :-D
um beijo, meu amor :oops: ...ihhhh, esqueci que n?o pode mais brincar assim :-D :-D :-D :-D
Renato, Voc? ? uma vergonha para o povo Brasileiro! :-D
um beijo, meu amor :oops: ...ihhhh, esqueci que n?o pode mais brincar assim :-D :-D :-D :-D
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: Renato Biker on March 24, 2006, 03:10:34 AM
Post by: Renato Biker on March 24, 2006, 03:10:34 AM
hahaha, n?o esquente cara, eu gosto de futebol, o que eu n?o gosto ? do fanatismo descontrolado de muitos brasileiros (n?o estou acusando ningu?m especificamente). Voc? n?o fica bravo quando v? uma not?cia na TV de que os torcedores do time derrotado destru?ram um ?nibus p?blico s? porque este estava lotado de torcedores do time advers?rio? Ent?o, foi isso que eu quis dizer com "eu odeio futebol" ;-)
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: alanrotoi on March 24, 2006, 11:39:57 AM
Post by: alanrotoi on March 24, 2006, 11:39:57 AM
Yo prefiero ver encuentros internacionales (de paises y clubes), porque las ligas nacionales son aburridas y llenas de fanatismo y pol?tica.
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: vamologocomisso on March 24, 2006, 01:54:10 PM
Post by: vamologocomisso on March 24, 2006, 01:54:10 PM
Quote from: "alanrotoi"Yo prefiero ver encuentros internacionales (de paises y clubes), porque las ligas nacionales son aburridas y llenas de fanatismo y pol?tica.
na argentina, deve acontecer o mesmo que no brasil. os melhores jogadores (os bons jogadores), v?o embora muito cedo deixando o campeonato nacional fraco e desenteressante (n?o totalmente, claro, mas muitos times ficam realmente muito fracos).
o auge de todo jogador brasileiro ? passado na europa, e depois que o jogador envelhece e ninguem o quer mais por l?, ele volta a jogar no brasil.
Meus campeonatos favoritos s?o: World Cup; Copa America; Champions League; Libertadores da America; Liga Espanhola; Campeonato Brasileiro; Campeonato Paulista;
N?o coloquei a UEFA Cup porque n?o consigo acompanhar
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: vamologocomisso on April 07, 2006, 09:32:45 PM
Post by: vamologocomisso on April 07, 2006, 09:32:45 PM
TIM?????????OOOOOO E???????????!!!!!
Universidad Catolica(CHI) 2 x 3 Corinthians(BRA)
Tim?o teve uma vit?ria her?ica com 2 jogadores a menos!!! :shock: :shock:
de virada, na casa do advers?rio!
novo l?der do grupo!!!
esse ano a ta?a ? nossa!!!
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Universidad Catolica(CHI) 2 x 3 Corinthians(BRA)
Tim?o teve uma vit?ria her?ica com 2 jogadores a menos!!! :shock: :shock:
de virada, na casa do advers?rio!
novo l?der do grupo!!!
esse ano a ta?a ? nossa!!!
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: vamologocomisso on April 24, 2006, 07:35:37 PM
Post by: vamologocomisso on April 24, 2006, 07:35:37 PM
just to remember: Corinthians passed in first place of his group!!!
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Leo, e o atl?tico, hein ?! ?LTIMO COLOCADO no brasileir?o ???
que peninha! :cry:
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Leo, e o atl?tico, hein ?! ?LTIMO COLOCADO no brasileir?o ???
que peninha! :cry:
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: vamologocomisso on April 26, 2006, 09:22:45 PM
Post by: vamologocomisso on April 26, 2006, 09:22:45 PM
hoje, jogo important?ssimo:
River Plate x Corinthians
avante, Tim?o!!!
:-D :-D :-D
River Plate x Corinthians
avante, Tim?o!!!
:-D :-D :-D
Title: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: Shoegazing Leo on April 26, 2006, 09:56:14 PM
Post by: Shoegazing Leo on April 26, 2006, 09:56:14 PM
Quote from: "vamologocomisso"just to remember: Corinthians passed in first place of his group!!!
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Leo, e o atl?tico, hein ?! ?LTIMO COLOCADO no brasileir?o ???
que peninha! :cry:
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
?ltimo n?o! PEN?LTIMO... Mais respeito! No ano passado, levamos 12 jogos para ganhar a primeira e ainda chegamos em sexto...
Title: Re: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: CTG on October 22, 2011, 10:52:41 AM
Post by: CTG on October 22, 2011, 10:52:41 AM
How strange, South American people are even more fond of football than we in Europe, and still: no posts for ages.
Title: Re: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: Gutix on October 22, 2011, 03:39:47 PM
Post by: Gutix on October 22, 2011, 03:39:47 PM
Quote from: CTG on October 22, 2011, 10:52:41 AM
How strange, South American people are even more fond of football than we in Europe, and still: no posts for ages.
more action, less words
Title: Re: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: CTG on December 09, 2011, 11:26:47 PM
Post by: CTG on December 09, 2011, 11:26:47 PM
? :P Böff!
Title: Re: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: CTG on July 22, 2013, 08:41:15 AM
Post by: CTG on July 22, 2013, 08:41:15 AM
Quote from: Renato Biker on March 23, 2006, 04:12:19 AM
I hate football
eu odeio futebol
yo odio futebol
Ich hasse Fu?ball
Je d?teste le football
Odio il football
:D :D :D :D
Something is missing: "Gyülölöm a futballt!"
(of course I don't)
Title: Re: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: CTG on May 15, 2014, 07:26:26 AM
Post by: CTG on May 15, 2014, 07:26:26 AM
Semi-finals: no teams from Brasil...
Title: Re: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: Chulk on May 15, 2014, 05:16:33 PM
Post by: Chulk on May 15, 2014, 05:16:33 PM
Quote from: CTG on May 15, 2014, 07:26:26 AMA refreshing change. They had won the last 4. I feel we'll have a surprising champion and my bet is Nacional (P) or Bolivar (B)
Semi-finals: no teams from Brasil...
Title: Re: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: alanrotoi on May 16, 2014, 12:36:05 AM
Post by: alanrotoi on May 16, 2014, 12:36:05 AM
Cruzeiro players are undead...
Title: Copa Sudamericana
Post by: CTG on December 12, 2014, 11:42:26 AM
Post by: CTG on December 12, 2014, 11:42:26 AM
River Plate won Copa Sudamericana - is it more or less the same as EL behind Champions League in Europe?
Title: Re: Copa Sudamericana
Post by: Duplode on December 12, 2014, 03:02:25 PM
Post by: Duplode on December 12, 2014, 03:02:25 PM
Quote from: CTG on December 12, 2014, 11:42:26 AM
River Plate won Copa Sudamericana - is it more or less the same as EL behind Champions League in Europe?
Exactly. We fell in the semifinals BTW, after (1) a defensive blunder in the first leg; (2) playing perhaps the best 45 minutes of football in the season in the second half of the second leg but missing four clear chances while at it; and (3) losing 4-1 at penalties.
Title: Re: Libertadores da Am?rica
Post by: Chulk on December 13, 2014, 05:28:54 AM
Post by: Chulk on December 13, 2014, 05:28:54 AM
Well... not exactly the same, as clubs that play Libertadores play Sudamericana as well (not just the 3º in Round Robin, but all of them). So technically, you can win both cups the same season (which you cannot do in Europe)