In the Cars and rules for 2022 (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3837.msg81841#msg81841) topic, there was a consensus for having at least one of Ryoma's cars in the next season. For that to work smoothly, however, we need to do some testing in order to make an informed choice. To get things started, I will (try to) test one car from Ryoma's Mega (https://mega.nz/folder/Qj4AlK4T#nvy1F2VRVYOhpWJy_0M_qA) every day, and report the results here. If some of you join me in doing that, I'm sure we'll get to figure out suitable choices in no time.
Here are the cars tested so far:
- Alfa Romeo 164 Procar (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3888.msg83021#msg83021) (report by Alan)
- Citroën XM V6 24 (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3888.msg83056#msg83056)
- Cizeta V16T (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3888.msg82992#msg82992)
- Dodge Challenger R/T Hardtop (1970) (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3888.msg83137#msg83137) (a CTG/Ryoma project)
- Ferrari 312T and Ferrari 312T4 (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3888.msg83104#msg83104)
- Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Daytona (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3888.msg83192#msg83192)
- Ferrari 412 Automatic (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3888.msg83112#msg83112)
- Ferrari 456 GT (at the end of this post)
- Ferrari 512TR (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3888.msg83162#msg83162)
- Ferrari Pinin (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3888.msg83454#msg83454) (report by Alan)
- Jaguar XJ220 (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3888.msg83145#msg83145)
- Lamborghini Diablo VT (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3888.msg83121#msg83121)
- Lancia 037 (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3888.msg83003#msg83003)
- Lancia LC1 and Lancia LC2 (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3888.msg83168#msg83168)
- Lancia Stratos (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3888.msg83093#msg83093)
- Maserati Shamal (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3888.msg83016#msg83016)
- McLaren F1 (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3888.msg83068#msg83068)
- Vector WX3 and Vector W8 (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3888.msg83028#msg83028)
To begin with, here are some words on the
Ferrari 456 GT (forum topic (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3778.0)):
- Gears: 6
- Powergear: No
- Flat track top speed: 196 mph
- Real top speed: 218 mph
- 0-60 mph: 5.1 s
- Time to hill at Default (auto gears): 12.55 s (References: Countach - 12.40 s; Skyline - 12.45 s; Acura - 12.70 s)
- Default test lap (NoRH, classic line): 1:32.45
- First impressions: A moderately fast sports car, whose closest match is probably the Skyline (the 456 should have the upper hand on faster tracks, though). Next to other cars from that class, its handling feels nice and responsive, though there doesn't seem to be much extra grip, and it is easy to get overconfident on the corners.
(https://i.imgur.com/0VESEAd.png)
Today's car is the
Cizeta V16T! (forum topic (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3713.msg78900#msg78900))
- Gears: 5
- Powergear: No
- Flat track top speed: 208 mph
- Real top speed: 218 mph
- 0-60 mph: 3.8 s
- Time to hill at Default (auto gears): 11.15 s (References: Jaguar - 10.20 s; F40 - 10.75 s; GTO - 12.10 s)
- Default test lap (NoRH, classic line): 1:23.15
- First impressions: Kinda like the GTO, but somewhat faster on a flat track and without powegear. Alternatively, kinda like the F40, but without the nice handling. Looks like a difficult car.
(https://i.imgur.com/OW2ZbZa.png)
I starting to love this thread. I try to help. Also this is the genesis of the wiki article of the ryoma cars.
Thanks for the encouragement, and please do join if you can :)
Today's car is the
Lancia 037! (forum topic (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3802.0))
- Gears: 5
- Powergear: Anti
- Flat track top speed: 142 mph
- Real top speed: 144 mph
- 0-60 mph: 6.3 s
- Time to hill at Default (auto gears): 13.90 s (References: Carrera - 13.00 s; LM002 - 13.35 s; Trueno - 15.50 s)
- Default test lap (NoRH, classic line): 1:29.90
- First impressions: Now that's a curious one! It fits reasonably well in the LM002 bracket, with slightly lower acceleration and somewhat higher top speed. It also has quite high grip for the class, which makes it possible to take large corners close to top speed (rather like the LM002, and in spite of the higher top speed). For the most part it is a pretty comfortable car to drive, with the main complication probably being the Countach-style anti-powergear.
(https://i.imgur.com/v8dEVZf.png)
Today's car is the
Maserati Shamal! (forum topic (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3677.0)):
- Gears: 6
- Powergear: No
- Flat track top speed: 176 mph
- Real top speed: 180 mph
- 0-60 mph: 5.25 s
- Time to hill at Default (auto gears): 12.50 s (References: Countach - 12.40 s; Acura - 12.70 s)
- Default test lap (NoRH, classic line): 1:34.15
- First impressions: A six-gears sports car vaguely in the Skyline class. That's not unlike the 456; the main differences between the two are that the Shamal has shorter gears and lower top speed.
(https://i.imgur.com/XFwLfJi.png)
Let's emulate Dup's report:
Today's car is the
Alfa Romeo 164 Procar! (forum topic: http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3728.0 (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3728.0)):
- Gears: 6
- Powergear: No
- Flat track top speed: (how to calculate it?)
- Real top speed: 211 mph
- 0-60 mph: 2.65 s (auto gears)
- Time to hill at Default (auto gears): 09.10 s (References: Melange - 09.95 s; Indy - 08.90 s)
- Default test lap (NoRH, classic line): 1:18.65
- First impressions: You still can see this car on Buenos Aires streets so it took my attention. It has only 1 paintjob, a beatiful red and black combination just like the real car. The "procar" condition (a street car with a F1 engine) makes an unexpected reaction about the car. Its acceleration and top speed are way too high over the street version of this car. The grip is as expected just like original cars. Its performance is between IMSA cars and Indy. It has a faster acceleration 0-60 mph, 0-100 mph and 0-200 mph than Melange, P962 and DTM Mercedes but slower than Indy and of course than McLaren-Honda F1. The handling is similar of original cars too. The only not positive thing I see is the tachometer needle and it's not so accurate fast acceleration. There is something wrong there but I can't tell what.
Quote from: alanrotoi on December 31, 2021, 05:31:53 AM
Today's car is the Alfa Romeo 164 Procar! (forum topic: http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3728.0 (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3728.0)):
Nice pick! ;)
Quote from: alanrotoi on December 31, 2021, 05:31:53 AM
Flat track top speed: (how to calculate it?)
It can be calculated from the car parameters by finding out when the aerodynamic drag equals the engine drive (see the Wiki (http://wiki.stunts.hu/index.php?title=Car_model_physics#Aerodynamic_drag) for the formulas). Alternatively, set up a large enough banked oval (I normally use my test track, attached below, though you might want to make it even larger), drive as fast as you can for two minutes or so, let go off the gas, crash and look at the reported top speed. By the way, now that I found a little more time I have replaced the 0-60 and flat track top speed values in my earlier reports, which I had quoted from Ryoma's fact sheets, with measured ones.
Today I'll report on the two Vectors! First, the
Vector WX3 (forum thread (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3726.0)):
(https://i.imgur.com/uQ3yiOF.png)
- Gears: 3
- Powergear: No (bug-free)
- Flat track top speed: 245 mph
- Real top speed: 245 mph
- 0-60 mph: 3.4 s
- Time to hill at Default (auto gears): 9.60 s (References: Indy - 8.95 s; P962 - 10.00 s)
- Default test lap (NoRH, classic line): 1:19.95
- First impressions: Three gears, 245 mph, a lot of second-gear torque and not much grip to go with it. The WX3 can be thought of as an alternative to Zapper's KITT, the main difference being that it has conventional supercar performance instead of the pursuit mode. At any rate, it is a very challenging car.
Next, the
Vector W8 (forum thread (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3717.0)):
(https://i.imgur.com/vl1nbKf.png)
- Gears: 3
- Powergear: Rigid
- Flat track top speed: 229 mph
- Real top speed: 245 mph
- 0-60 mph: 3.95 s
- Time to hill at Default (auto gears): 10.65 s (References: Jaguar - 10.20 s; F40 - 10.75 s; GTO - 12.10 s)
- Default test lap (NoRH, classic line): 1:24.65
- First impressions: Slightly slower and easier to tame than the WX3. The main point to consider about the W8 is that it has powergear, and I'm not sure ZakStunts can afford a fifth PG car in its roster.
My pick for today is the
Citroën XM V6 24! (forum topic (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3815.0))
- Gears: 5
- Powergear: No (unreachable)
- Flat track top speed: 156 mph
- Real top speed: 159 mph
- 0-60 mph: 7.65 s
- Time to hill at Default (auto gears): 14.50 s (References: LM002 - 13.35 s; Trueno - 15.50 s)
- Default test lap (NoRH, classic line): 1:38.80
- First impressions: A well-behaved, well-balanced slower car which is quite pleasant to drive. A nice option in the Trueno range.
(https://i.imgur.com/KdqbWq1.png)
A car with 3 gears would be kind of cool, might help automatic drivers try out manual shifting.
Quote from: Overdrijf on January 01, 2022, 08:55:23 PM
A car with 3 gears would be kind of cool, might help automatic drivers try out manual shifting.
That's an interesting take. I should emphasise that the number of gears is only easy thing about those Vectors! The Ferrari 412 Automatic (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3761.0), though, might be a more user-friendly three-geared car, so I guess we'll wan to give it a spin.
My pick for today is the
McLaren F1! (forum topic (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3733.0))
- Gears: 6
- Powergear: No
- Flat track top speed: 231 mph
- Real top speed: 245 mph
- 0-60 mph: 2.95 s
- Time to hill at Default (auto gears): 9.70 s (References: Indy - 8.95 s; P962 - 10.00 s; ZR1 GT3 - 10.70 s)
- Default test lap (NoRH, classic line): 1:22.55
- First impressions: Straight-line performance fitting for Le Mans, with just a pinch of extra grip and brake strength to help managing it. Among the older cars, the closest analogue I can think of is the ZR1 GT3 (which also has six gears); the McLaren F1, though, is significantly faster. From the cars I have tested here so far, I'd say it is the most difficult one, even more so than the Vectors.
(https://i.imgur.com/ESPNthm.png)
Quote from: Ryoma on January 02, 2022, 08:09:06 PM
Great topic !!!
Thanks, glad you're enjoying it! On the McLaren's drive, that reminds me of a typo in the Skyline that was spotted by KyLiE after many years: in the original release, I had described its engine as an "Inline V6" :)
My pick for today is the
Lancia Stratos! (forum topic (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3801.msg81085#msg81085))
- Gears: 5
- Powergear: No (unreachable)
- Flat track top speed: 156 mph
- Real top speed: 164 mph
- 0-60 mph: 6.2 s
- Time to hill at Default (auto gears): 13.50 s (References: Carrera - 13.00 s; LM002 - 13.35 s)
- Default test lap (NoRH, classic line): 1:29.30
- First impressions: As far as straight-line performance goes, the Stratos lies somewhere in between the Carrera and the LM002. It has pretty good grip for that class, and enough speed for a lively driving experience. One of my favourites so far!
(https://i.imgur.com/MCSJbiU.png)
Today I'll look at Formula One Ferraris from the 70's! (forum thread (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3786.msg80798#msg80798)) First, the
Ferrari 312T:
(https://i.imgur.com/wj55dMm.png)
- Gears: 5
- Powergear: No (unreachable)
- Flat track top speed: 189 mph
- Real top speed: 189 mph
- 0-60 mph: 2.4 s
- Time to hill at Default (auto gears): 8.50 s (References: MP4/4 - 8.05 s; Indy - 8.95 s; Kart - 9.70 s)
- Default test lap (NoRH, classic line): 1:08.20
- First impressions: With impressive acceleration, pretty good but not quite IMSA levels of grip, and relatively low top speed next to the familiar Stunts race cars, the 312T has a distinctive feel. While on track it vaguely resembles the DTM cars, all the extra power does leave its mark. Figuring this one out will be interesting!
Next, the
Ferrari 312T4:
(https://i.imgur.com/JRP54YW.png)
- Gears: 5
- Powergear: No (unreachable)
- Flat track top speed: 189 mph
- Real top speed: 189 mph
- 0-60 mph: 2.4 s
- Time to hill at Default (auto gears): 8.50 s (References: MP4/4 - 8.05 s; Indy - 8.95 s; Kart - 9.70 s)
- Default test lap (NoRH, classic line): 1:04.85
- First impressions: The 312T4 has identical straightline performance to the 312T; however, it has a significant amount of extra grip (thanks to ground effect!), standing in between the IMSA cars and the Indy in that respect. As a result, it is a fair bit easier to drive than the 312T (though, thankfully, not trivially easy). Think of it as the Superkart's big brother.
Quote from: Duplode on January 04, 2022, 11:58:22 PMWhile on track it vaguely resembles the DTM cars, all the extra power does leave its mark.
Think of it as the Superkart's big brother.
Ooh, I like those descriptions.
Following Overdrijf's lead, my pick for today is the
Ferrari 412 Automatic! (forum topic (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3761.0)):
- Gears: 3
- Powergear: No (unreachable)
- Flat track top speed: 158 mph
- Real top speed: 159 mph
- 0-60 mph: 7.1 s
- Time to hill at Default (auto gears): 14.45 s (References: LM002 - 13.35 s; Trueno - 15.50 s)
- Default test lap (NoRH, classic line): 1:37.60
- First impressions: There certainly is merit in the idea of an easy three-geared car for learning manual transmission; however, I'm not sure the 412 is that car. The ideal speed for taking large corners appears to be very close to the second-to-third-gear upshift point, while in a learner's car we'd probably want to have that well into the second gear optimal range. Furthermore, the gear change time is very short, which means a light touch on A/Z is needed to avoid double changes. As for handling, the 412 feels slightly trickier than other cars in its class, such as the Toyotas or the LM002, or the XM for that matter. Nothing insurmountable, but all in all it's not exactly a newbie-friendly car.
(https://i.imgur.com/ytE1Ktp.png)
Yes the 412i is a (fast) cruising machine for four people. It's really a GT car and not a sportcar nor a supercars.
My pick for today is the
Lamborghini Diablo VT! (forum topic (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3662.0)):
- Gears: 5
- Powergear: No (bug-free)
- Flat track top speed: 206 mph
- Real top speed: 218 mph
- 0-60 mph: 4.3 s
- Time to hill at Default (auto gears): 11.70 s (References: F40 - 10.75 s; GTO - 12.10 s; Vette - 12.25 s)
- Default test lap (NoRH, classic line): 1:25.50
- First impressions: The Diablo VT is in an interesting point of design space. A notch above the GTO and the Vette in both acceleration and grip, it can be a good option if you are looking for a supercar that is not too much of a handful to drive. (Note: the car I'm reporting on here is the Diablo VT. The "standard" Diablo has Acura-like powergear, and so it is probably not a sensible option for the ZakStunts set.)
(https://i.imgur.com/JvEwteV.png)
The Diablo has 4 différent dashboard...if you choose it careful to choose your favorite one.
Quote from: Ryoma on January 07, 2022, 05:01:44 AM
The Diablo has 4 différent dashboard...if you choose it careful to choose your favorite one.
Yup -- in my tests, I chose the dia4 version, though of course dia3 would also be fine if popular preference is so inclined.
My pick for today is the
Dodge Challenger R/T Hardtop (1970)! (forum topic (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3737.0)):
- Gears: 4
- Powergear: No (unreachable)
- Flat track top speed: 164 mph
- Real top speed: 200 mph
- 0-60 mph: 4.8 s
- Time to hill at Default (auto gears): 12.25 s (References: GTO - 12.10 s; Vette - 12.25 s; Skyline - 12.45 s)
- Default test lap (NoRH, classic line): 1:33.35
- First impressions: While the prospect of taming an old school American V8 might be a bit alarming, the Challenger is a finely balanced car. Not the most user-friendly option, perhaps, but it turns out to be pretty enjoyable to drive. A perfectly good fit for the Acura/Skyline tier of sports cars.
(https://i.imgur.com/xgB1fct.png)
For this one I only did the dashboard, ctg did the shape and res. Careful, the link is for the Diablo. The real link : http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3737.0
Quote from: Ryoma on January 08, 2022, 07:34:42 AM
For this one I only did the dashboard, ctg did the shape and res. Careful, the link is for the Diablo. The real link : http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3737.0
Link fixed; thanks!
A couple meta notes:
- I'm inclined to post a few more reports this weekend and then have a break, so that y'all have some time before the season starts to review the results, check if you agree with my opinions, or report on cars I might have overlooked.
- I have updated the Default test lap times for the 456 GT, the Cizeta and the Shamal early in this thread, as I felt I had not driven their laps to the same standard as the later ones.
Let's kick off the weekend with the
Jaguar XJ220! (forum topic (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3724.0))
- Gears: 5
- Powergear: No
- Flat track top speed: 209 mph
- Real top speed: 230 mph
- 0-60 mph: 4.15 s
- Time to hill at Default (auto gears): 11.25 s (References: Jaguar - 10.20 s; ZR1 GT3 - 10.70 s; GTO - 12.10 s)
- Default test lap (NoRH, classic line): 1:23.75
- First impressions: Well into supercar territory. the XJ220 is a challenging car which is a fitting match for the Cizeta, though the XJ220 has noticeably more real top speed. It stands somewhere in between the playful Diablo VT and the terrifying McLaren F1.
(Technical note: the XJ220 is particularly vulnerable to the ghost car track preview glitch. See this post (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3630.msg83143#msg83143) and the surrounding thread for workarounds and related discussion.)
(https://i.imgur.com/RXqMqW3.png)
My pick for tonight is the
Ferrari 512TR! (forum topic (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3664.0)):
- Gears: 5
- Powergear: No (bug-free)
- Flat track top speed: 194 mph
- Real top speed: 215 mph
- 0-60 mph: 5.05 s
- Time to hill at Default (auto gears): 12.15 s (References: GTO - 12.10 s; Vette - 12.25 s; Countach - 12.40 s)
- Default test lap (NoRH, classic line): 1:30.35
- First impressions: A pretty fast sports car with a temper reminiscent of the GTO. The 512TR is a good bet if you are looking for an alternative to the GTO/Vette/Countach tier that doesn't have powergear or anti-powergear. (By the way, out of the three Testarossas I chose the one featured in the original NFS, to go along the "dia4" Diablo VT.)
(https://i.imgur.com/tpOwqc4.png)
Today I'll look at Lancia sports prototypes! First, the
Lancia LC1 (forum thread (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3808.0)):
(https://i.imgur.com/9TZggHQ.png)
- Gears: 5
- Powergear: No (bug-free)
- Flat track top speed: 204 mph
- Real top speed: 205 mph
- 0-60 mph: 2.05 s
- Time to hill at Default (auto gears): 8.85 s (References: MP4/4 - 8.05 s; Indy - 8.95 s; P962 - 10.00 s)
- Default test lap (NoRH, classic line): 1:13.40
- First impressions: A Group 6 prototype from the early 80's, the LC1 has better lower-gear acceleration than the IMSA cars, but loses to them in top speed and grip. It might be able to compete with the IMSA tier, at least on slower tracks.
Next, the
Lancia LC2 (forum thread (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3806.0)):
(https://i.imgur.com/EVNCFvD.png)
- Gears: 5
- Powergear: Anti
- Flat track top speed: 236 mph
- Real top speed: 236 mph
- 0-60 mph: 1.45 s
- Time to hill at Default (auto gears): 7.50 s (References: Skoda - 6.65; MP4/4 - 8.05 s; Indy - 8.95 s)
- Default test lap (NoRH, classic line): 1:04.05
- First impressions: The LC2 is a mighty race car, with extraordinary out-of-the-blocks acceleration -- it beats even the MP4/4 in a drag race! While the fact it has grip at IMSA rather than open-wheel levels limits its performance somewhat, it also means it doesn't have the highly sensitive handling that makes the MP4/4 such a tricky car to drive. Its anti-powergear, though an additional complication, is milder than that of e.g. the Countach, and only kicks in above 190 mph. Out of the older cars, I'd say the LC2 feels closest to the Speedgate, but without all of the weirdness, which IMO is a very nice option to have!
My pick for tonight is one of the latest releases by Ryoma, the
Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Daytona! (forum topic (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3894.0)):
- Gears: 5
- Powergear: No (unreachable)
- Flat track top speed: 182 mph
- Real top speed: 203 mph
- 0-60 mph: 5.55 s
- Time to hill at Default (auto gears): 12.75 s (References: Skyline - 12.45 s; Acura - 12.70 s; Audi - 12.95 s)
- Default test lap (NoRH, classic line): 1:33.90
- First impressions: The Daytona is a late 60's grand tourer with straight line performance similar to that of the Acura. It could be a good counterpart to the Dodge Challenger: they are sports cars from the same era reasonably close in terms of performance which differ in a number of interesting details.
(https://i.imgur.com/7vH87pi.png)
As mentioned yesterday, I'll now take a break from the daily reports, and leave some room for you to comment, re-test, or add extra cars to the thread (I'll edit links to your reports into the first post here). This has been a pretty fun experiment to carry out, and it has already revealed plenty of great options for the upcoming season. I should thank Daniel3D, who helped me to narrow down my choices of what to feature here, and of course Ryoma, who provides us with so many cars to enjoy and race!
Note that I made a typo mistake about the displacement of 4,4L and not 5L.
Thanks Duplode for your work ;)
Thanks Duplode, I've enjoyed reading your reports. Your work on this is greatly appreciated!
Thanks KyLiE! Now looking forward to racing a number of these anytime soon ;)
Maybe some Ferrari on Fiorano track ?
Quote from: Ryoma on January 16, 2022, 10:17:18 PM
Maybe some Ferrari on Fiorano track ?
Sure! The track for the next race on Race For Kicks has already been chosen, but we can do that for the race in March. Once you are happy with the track, send me a PM so we can organise it. :)
Agreed! It'll be very nice to have your car and your track in R4K!
Today's pick, the
Ferrari Pinin! Forum Topic: http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3685.0 (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3685.0)
- Gears: 5
- Powergear: No
- Flat track top speed: 196 mph
- 0-60 mph: 6.25 s
- Time to bot hill at Default (auto gears): 13.35 s (References: Skyline - 12.45 s; Acura - 12.70 s; Audi - 12.95 s; Ford Crown Vic - 12.8 s)
- First impressions: My first thought was the dashboard is unfinished/taken from Lancia Delta. After that the car is fine. It has an easy run and it's very fast. Slow acceleration compared to Acura for example but way faster in a long straight line. I like that. It's a well done car, easy to drive and pretty fast in a track with many elements. The name of "Pinin" comes from Battista "Pinin" Farina, a car designer and founder of Pininfarina S.p.A.
Quote from: alanrotoi link=topic=3888.msg83454#msg83454 date=1643134935
My first thought was the dashboard is unfinished/taken from Lancia Delta.
Thanks for the review.
It's the case of the prototype. The interior looks light and sober. For the history, this car was a concept car with some parts not functional (and no engine nor tank). Mauro Forghieri modified some years ago the prototype in order to be used on road.
Quote from: alanrotoi on January 25, 2022, 07:22:15 PM
Today's pick, the Ferrari Pinin! Forum Topic: http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3685.0 (http://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3685.0)
Added to the first post index ;)
(By the way, now that the ZakStunts 2022 cars have already been chosen, I guess it would make sense to move this thread to the Custom Cars subforum, right?)
Agreed!
Okay, thread moved, and pinned while we're at it.
I don't want any car of mine would be present in zakstunts.
Quote from: Ryoma on April 23, 2022, 09:39:51 PM
I don't want any car of mine would be present in zakstunts.
Why? Because you feel unappreciated?
I dedicated an entire special edition to your cars because I appreciate them.
Quote from: Ryoma on April 23, 2022, 09:39:51 PM
I don't want any car of mine would be present in zakstunts.
I read all over the forum about what you don't want. The question is: What do you want?
The rules of Zakstunts specifies: "The designer of the competition track used for each actual race can distribute at most +10 and -10 coefficient points amongst the cars, to adjust the power of the cars to the specific track design. The track designer may also decide not to modify bonuses at all. Assigned points will appl
y only to the current track."
Race for kicks used Ferrari 456 GT built by you for March race and Lancia Stratos for current track.
There is an exclusive thread in the forum to test your cars and to know their performance and characteristics. You could help with this, they are your cars after all but anyway I enjoy trying and testing. We analyzed 18 cars so far.
If you want to manage a competition or an event using only your cars I'll participate.
Quote from: alanrotoi on April 24, 2022, 05:24:22 PM
I read all over the forum about what you don't want. The question is: What do you want?
Quote from: alanrotoi on April 24, 2022, 05:24:22 PM
You could help with this, they are your cars after all but anyway I enjoy trying and testing. We analyzed 18 cars so far.
If you want to manage a competition or an event using only your cars I'll participate.
He has a valid point.
Everyone has welcomed you and we have been supporting and encouraging. We have thought with you and given our opinions to help. Nobody has ever criticized your work.
So, instead of just stating the problem. Be part of the solution. We don't know what you think.
If you can't be part of the solution, we can not help you.
Today's pick, the
Lancia Delta 2 TD LS!
- Gears: 5
- Powergear: No
- Flat track top speed: 123 mph
- 0-60 mph: 11 s
- Time to bot hill at Default (auto gears): 16.40s (References: Skyline - 12.45 s; Packard Eight - 19.15 s; Toyota Trueno - 15.45 s; Lamborghini LM-002 - 13.25 s)
- First impressions: It seems an unfinished work. None of the paintjobs in the showroom are presented in the racing mode, only the basic green skin. About the speedometer it doesn't shows the real speed, for example it marks 120mph where it should say about 70mph. The acceleration 0-60 is good but then it stucks and accelerates too slow. The dashboard is cool, I really liked it. About the info in the showroom is wrong (maybe real data but not ingame data). The grip seems close to the original cars but with such slow speed is hard to say.
I noticed after the last race that the performance of some of the custom cars are not in line with the others.
(too slow or too fast of an acceleration for its class, or a grip setting that is significantly off compared to others, things like that)
It kind of makes them unusable for repeated use in competition. That would be a shame because a lot of effort was put in the cars.
So i am thinking of documenting those cars that are found (not necessarily by me, I don't consider myself a skilled enough test driver to decide on that) and re-release them as "tuned for play" with a new ID.
Since they are not my cars, I would like to know what you think about this.
(if the creator is still active, the above does not apply off course)
Quote from: Daniel3D on August 26, 2022, 11:23:58 AM
I noticed after the last race that the performance of some of the custom cars are not in line with the others.
Can you elaborate on this? Which cars are you referring to?
Quote from: Daniel3D on August 26, 2022, 11:23:58 AM
It kind of makes them unusable for repeated use in competition.
How so?
Quote from: Daniel3D on August 26, 2022, 11:23:58 AM
Since they are not my cars, I would like to know what you think about this.
I don't think it's a good idea. Ryoma's collection of cars is overwhelming as it is. Re-releasing modified versions will only dilute the custom car landscape and cause confusion. When Zapper did it, custom cars were thin on the ground. That's definitely not the case any more.
I agree with Daniel. The work of Ryoma is priceless but I think he knew little about the game, its physics and ingame cars performance. We can find beatiful aestetic cars thanks to Stressed and Ryoma's skills but the problem starts when you fasten your seatbelt. I tested a lot of cars and there are 2 factors that makes many of them "impossible" for racing:
1) some cars are fast wich is ok and expected but some stats of them makes hard, impossible and/or not fun to race like very poor grip capacities.
2) some others are like cheated cars with and excellent 3d design. When I say cheated cars I refer to super fast cars that makes no sence and no reason. If you pick a car that in 3 or 4 seconds is runing at 240mph it has no sence like Skoda Felicia or Lada Niva.
It's not about erasing his work, I think it's about making corrections to make them "usable" specifying it. His work will be safe and corrected versions could be born from this if I didn't get it wrong.
I did a list of cars with these problems I'll publish later. Both reasons I can explain more deeply later (got to go sorry!)
I agree that re-releasing the cars will only increase the amount of cars.
But I don't want to replace them either. I value the work Ryoma did, and I thought long about the impact of changing the work of Ryoma. But it would be a shame to have a bunch of cars that look good but nobody wants to drive..
Also CCC is a great opportunity to test a lot of his work in real competition tracks.
Quote from: alanrotoi on August 26, 2022, 05:14:08 PM
Also CCC is a great opportunity to test a lot of his work in real competition tracks.
And all carpacks are saved to ensure future replay compatibility.
Quote from: KyLiE on August 26, 2022, 02:14:07 PMRyoma's collection of cars is overwhelming as it is. Re-releasing modified versions will only dilute the custom car landscape and cause confusion.
You are right about this, regardless of modifications to Ryoma's collection.
We need a good catalog of cars, with version management. And a car manager that can update cars.. (as addition to simple garage maybe)
EDIT:: after a year I learned a few things and changed my view. Ryoma's cars are built from a different perspective. Modifying is not something that we should do before we understand how well they're made.
So testing and catalogue first. But that should be done for all cars.