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Title: ZCT249 - What the f*ck is that?
Post by: CTG on April 10, 2022, 03:42:17 PM
Okay, this is the worst track of this season so far... Just as expected from Akoss Poo! ;D

Quote from: CTG on August 07, 2012, 12:58:53 PM
Typical "anti-CTGish" Poo creature, it reminds me a bit on an AkossStunts permanent track.

Quote from: CTG on December 02, 2013, 02:32:51 PM
Muhaha, somebody built an anti-CTG track. Expect no replays from me. (Congratulations to Yellow Fleas for the team championship title.)

Quote from: CTG on April 01, 2014, 10:11:59 PM
Pooish track, in the worst meaning: full of crappy combinations, useless aerial stunts, small corners. Might be a Corvette paradise for Gutix.

Quote from: CTG on February 02, 2019, 05:59:05 PM
Oh, those stupid small corners...  ::)

Quote from: CTG on January 10, 2021, 02:51:25 PM
Another Pooish crap creature from Mr(s) Móricz.

Why not Kazincwuhancika anyway?

Obligatory shit-throwing mode OFF  ;D

Quote from: CTG on January 10, 2021, 10:46:55 PM
Poo builds tracks for himself. That's a fact. :D
Title: Re: ZCT249 - What the f*ck is that?
Post by: Akoss Poo a.k.a. Zorromeister on April 11, 2022, 01:07:25 PM
It was not meant to be a funny type of track (I'm not intending to win the best track of the year contest this year), and the possibilities were quite limited this time.

I like the original cars + the Melange (maybe +the Skoda Felicia Kompressor, but we haven't been driving this track for long years). I want to race on my track, so I must try to build a track which will be driven with an original track. Two possibilities: a GTO power gear track or a P962 track (+percentage modification of course). I chose the latter one, but I had to be cautious: I had to avoid early powergear (which Afullo mentioned as quite technical, excluding the Countach possibility as well) and I then had to build a longer fast section (which Rotoi mentioned as Akossish) to avoid the opportunity for slower cars.

But I guess after this track, slower and non-original cars will have great chance of being the car of the month (though GTO power gear can also be close).
Title: Re: ZCT249 - What the f*ck is that?
Post by: Akoss Poo a.k.a. Zorromeister on April 11, 2022, 09:13:59 PM
My recent idea: it could have been an interesting ISA/IRC track (less strict OWOOT rules, Indy).
Title: Re: ZCT249 - What the f*ck is that?
Post by: Duplode on April 16, 2022, 12:08:29 AM
Quote from: Akoss Poo a.k.a. Zorromeister on April 11, 2022, 09:13:59 PM
My recent idea: it could have been an interesting ISA/IRC track (less strict OWOOT rules, Indy).

Having just tried a GAR lap with Indy (http://www.raceforkicks.com/index.php?page=track&track=r4k27), it does work well as an OWOOT track!
Title: Re: ZCT249 - What the f*ck is that?
Post by: Ryoma on April 23, 2022, 07:19:44 AM
The only thing I saw it's that you castrated the Stratos....how it will win now with 12% for the future compétition.. what is the interest to ask me to include some of my car if it's to ridiculous me?

I am very angry about this seriously !!!!! I spent a lot of time on my cars, nobody care and finally in compétition, it's for being ridiculous .

And if you want original car.....we can't build track on sea so it's a non sense reasonment.

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Title: Re: ZCT249 - What the f*ck is that?
Post by: Akoss Poo a.k.a. Zorromeister on April 23, 2022, 12:39:56 PM
Quote from: Ryoma on April 23, 2022, 07:19:44 AM
The only thing I saw it's that you castrated the Stratos....how it will win now with 12% for the future compétition.. what is the interest to ask me to include some of my car if it's to ridiculous me?

I am very angry about this seriously !!!!! I spent a lot of time on my cars, nobody care and finally in compétition, it's for being ridiculous .

And if you want original car.....we can't build track on sea so it's a non sense reasonment.

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You seem to be a bit impatient and self-biased.

The 10% negative bonus is only temporary, Stratos will get it back next month. Plus the additional growth ratio for not being used this month. Stratos time is close, maybe only a powergear Ferrari track can it take away from Stratos in May. Depends on the designer's desire.

So keep calm. Btw why didn't you book an early guest track this year? You could have designed a suitable track for Stratos, and you also could have adjusted the car bonuses for the track.

The original car designers had to do (at least) the same degree of work, didn't they? We respect your work, but we also respect the work of the original car designers.
Title: Re: ZCT249 - What the f*ck is that?
Post by: Daniel3D on April 23, 2022, 06:30:25 PM
I agree. And I will say again. We need time to adjust to such a wealth of cars.
But I get you to. And besides trying to catalogue the cars and getting a tool to manage them.

I got an other idea because of your posts.
A competition form that wasn't possible until now.
A mix of zakstunts and race4kicks.

A series of races with for each race a set of cars (5 to 10, depending on availability) with similar performance.
That gives all cars a chance, and we get to know what they are capable of.
Title: Re: ZCT249 - What the f*ck is that?
Post by: alanrotoi on April 23, 2022, 06:42:59 PM
Will you manage that competition? I'm in!
Title: Re: ZCT249 - What the f*ck is that?
Post by: Ryoma on April 23, 2022, 07:07:50 PM
Do as you want...personnaly, I'm more and more disapointed of everything here.
Title: Re: ZCT249 - What the f*ck is that?
Post by: Daniel3D on April 23, 2022, 07:37:48 PM
Quote from: Ryoma on April 23, 2022, 07:07:50 PM
Do as you want...personnaly, I'm more and more disapointed of everything here.
I can't change that. I your happiness on this forum depends on what others think, then you have a problem.
You have to do it because you like it regardless of what others think.

I get little response on my two special editions. They have a few downloads but that's about it.
I am still very proud of what I made. And I will continue it. Because I like to do it.

I love your cars, I have most of them. Driven many of them to. I often pick a car I don't know because it's fun to get to know them.
And if CAS manages to get a new game engine working.
All cars will be included. They are made and part of stunts history and future.

So. Stay or leave. Make more cars or don't.
We will mis you if you go. And you are amazing when making cars.
But it must make YOU happy. Not us.
Title: Re: ZCT249 - What the f*ck is that?
Post by: Daniel3D on April 23, 2022, 07:55:07 PM
Quote from: alanrotoi on April 23, 2022, 06:42:59 PM
Will you manage that competition? I'm in!
I think that it will be fun. So I will definitely be a part of management.
But I am also very inexperienced in this.
And are (besides walking around with my phone) quite limited in time.
So if there are others interested in co managing.
I could  setup a summer special of a few races as tryout.
First will be a rally track with a lot of dirt roads (probably, maybe... just thought of that...)
Title: Re: ZCT249 - What the f*ck is that?
Post by: Ryoma on April 23, 2022, 09:38:53 PM
Stay happy with your Skoda Felicia Kompressor ....

I know that I will continue for myself without sharing anything.

And I want that in the future of zakstunts no car of mine will be present.... I trust you and it's the reason why I don't choose one of my car. You destroy this trust !!!
Title: Re: ZCT249 - What the f*ck is that?
Post by: alanrotoi on April 24, 2022, 12:02:22 AM
Quote from: Ryoma on April 23, 2022, 09:38:53 PM
Stay happy with your Skoda Felicia Kompressor ....

I know that I will continue for myself without sharing anything.

And I want that in the future of zakstunts no car of mine will be present.... I trust you and it's the reason why I don't choose one of my car. You destroy this trust !!!

I actually don't like Skoda but the point is we are only few people active in the community. It would be different if we are 80 active players. There would be more competitions and more participation. Today's population is about 0.3 pipsqueaks per custom car. One thing we could do is a big advertising campaign. I opened an Instagram account only for Stunts (@alanretrogames). Seems it's not enough. Maybe I should advertise better the competitions or post about custom cars.
Title: Re: ZCT249 - What the f*ck is that?
Post by: Daniel3D on April 24, 2022, 12:23:20 PM
Quote from: alanrotoi on April 24, 2022, 12:02:22 AM
Quote from: Ryoma on April 23, 2022, 09:38:53 PM
Stay happy with your Skoda Felicia Kompressor ....

I know that I will continue for myself without sharing anything.

And I want that in the future of zakstunts no car of mine will be present.... I trust you and it's the reason why I don't choose one of my car. You destroy this trust !!!
It would be different if we are 80 active players. There would be more competitions and more participation. Today's population is about 0.3 pipsqueaks per custom car.
Many that are active in competition are not active on the forum (and some vice versa as well).
It is a small group. Most are unaware of how you feel. And it is a competition, you try your best wit the car best suited for the race. Next race everything is different. This competition was built on diversity in the competition but not built to accommodate 140 different cars.
That doesn't mean we don't appreciate them.
But I repeat myself here. You must do what makes you happy. I'd like it if you share it with the community. But nobody wants you to be unhappy here.
Title: Re: ZCT249 - What the f*ck is that?
Post by: dreadnaut on April 24, 2022, 05:31:46 PM
As others have pointed out, there are not that many people around here, and we have now more cars than pipsqueaks. And we should also remember that there can be too much of a good thing.

Say someone brings you a cake. It's delicious, you finish it in two days. Then they bring you two more, and you are grateful and excited! The new cakes are also great, and you are almost done with the second when you receive five more. And just as many the day after. You put a few in the fridge, you ask friends to help, but what are you going to do when the brilliant baker arrives with another ten cakes?

"I spent a lot of time on my cakes, I'm very angry about this! No more cakes for you, stay happy with your dry biscuits!"

Maybe people can't eat cakes that fast, and can't eat only cake. Assuming that they are disrespectful and have something against the baker is a bit... excessive, in my opinion.

As Daniel said, do whatever makes you happy, but don't expect others to go out of their way for your fulfillment.
Title: Re: ZCT249 - What the f*ck is that?
Post by: Ryoma on April 25, 2022, 07:06:20 AM
You're right. Being a leecher and criticize for criticize are easy, why I try to make more ?

But look the number of views of my posts and the other..... The BMW 850 is more viewed either the car never exist (maybe in my computer but it's not the question)....oO.

It's hard to see sometimes 7 or more views for a picture and no thanks. So you take and bye. I'm not the evil here, but it's the basis of the sharing on internet. It's not the only forum where I'am but in the other we said "merci" "thank you" "köszönöm" etc...

I really don't understand why you reduce to 12% the Stratos...it's a rallye car which is weak with straight line...so no danger for this kind of track. I took it very personnal...and I'm sure with normal bonus, this car can't win of this track...so it's a personnal attack...it's my baby.

And at the question why I don't make à track? I dislike it.... Fiorano was difficult and I'm very not satisfied of it (I have another version on my computer...but not satisfied too).

Another thing, what is yhe purpose to see only one car for one race ? Delta, 911, Seven abd now 962 ? The bonus is useless in fact....and everybody took the same car....

And no, I don't want to manage another compétition because making car is timephage ....and it will not my pleasure here.

So accept my critic before saying something....for the moment, I stop all my project here
Title: Re: ZCT249 - What the f*ck is that?
Post by: Daniel3D on April 25, 2022, 08:40:04 AM
I say something because your criticism hurts me.
I don't think it's fair.
But if we can't change how you feel and you don't offer a solution.
And your comparison with creator Vs views is ludicrous.
Views are based on the discussion about the car, not the topic.
You have cars with only one or two replies and hundreds of views. That is very special.
Some cars you post finished. So no discussion possible. We can give our opinions, but like the cake story. After more than 100 cars I just started to download the entire mega catalogue every other month.

I don't want you to go. And your knowledge and opinions are also valuable. You discovered cool things, made very useful tools.
You have become one of the greater modders/ content creators in a very short time.

But I will not beg you to stay. Go if you want.
Be happy. We will always remember your incredible work.
Title: Re: ZCT249 - What the f*ck is that?
Post by: Ryoma on April 25, 2022, 12:44:44 PM
I expect sincerely that someone will use the Stratos and make a fast time in this track. After, with the normal bonus, we could have a discussion.....
Title: Re: ZCT249 - What the f*ck is that?
Post by: Daniel3D on April 25, 2022, 04:46:06 PM
Even without temporary bonus modifiers the countach has a favourable position in this race. It's faster and has a better bonus.
So it would not have mattered in the end for this race.
Next race the Ferrari may be the best choice, (without modifying it will have the same bonus as the stratos.) I don't know. Can be.

But you put Alan in a difficult position.
Alan can build a track for the stratos and give car bonuses to accommodate your car just to make you feel better. And set aside his personal ideas and preferences.
But, will that make you happy? An artificially created favour position?

I would prefer to wait until the car can shine in it's own right.
Title: Re: ZCT249 - What the f*ck is that?
Post by: Ryoma on April 25, 2022, 06:03:58 PM
Alan will do as he wants.... I said that I don't want to see any car of mine on Zakstunts.
Title: Re: ZCT249 - What the f*ck is that?
Post by: Daniel3D on April 25, 2022, 06:05:57 PM
Quote from: Ryoma on April 25, 2022, 06:03:58 PM
Alan will do as he wants.... I said that I don't want to see any car of mine on Zakstunts.
Sorry Kid. That's all I can do.
Title: Re: ZCT249 - What the f*ck is that?
Post by: Akoss Poo a.k.a. Zorromeister on April 27, 2022, 10:07:13 AM
Back to on-topic:

I enjoy the technical-curvy beginning, but last part (after the loop) is quite hard for me.
Title: Re: ZCT249 - What the f*ck is that?
Post by: Ryoma on April 28, 2022, 06:52:31 AM
Quote from: Daniel3D on April 25, 2022, 04:46:06 PM
you put Alan in a difficult position.
Alan can build a track for the stratos and give car bonuses to accommodate your car just to make you feel better. And set aside his personal ideas and preferences.
But, will that make you happy? An artificially created favour position?

I would prefer to wait until the car can shine in it's own right.

By taking a step back, it's also cheaty and artificial from the both side... So my opinion stays the same...

I prefer to fight with the same car and have a BOP than always changing and used some car I dislike.....

So this rule is really not for my cars.......
Title: Re: ZCT249 - What the f*ck is that?
Post by: Daniel3D on April 28, 2022, 08:56:08 AM
That is correct in a sense. The rules are for the track. You have the opportunity to tweak the car bonuses for that race to fit the track better.
Still it's only for one race,

Last season with my track I made it with the DTM cars in mind. That's how I set my bonuses as well. It turned out that the IMSA cars had an equal change as well and there were slow cars with such high bonus that they had a chance as well.
So I accidentally created a very balanced race.
I never considered the slow cars and the dual way shortcut that would be available to them.

So. There is only so much influence one can have.
Your car will accumulate points every race. The season is young.

I'm trying to design a competition that better suits all the creativity.
Title: Re: ZCT249 - What the f*ck is that?
Post by: Ryoma on April 28, 2022, 11:56:29 AM
But each race can be resume by using one car....rarely last year and never this year, the winner had a different car front the 2nd and 3rd....

Definitively, Zakstunts is not for my cars... because I don't want to choose...as I don't want to put a "Done by Ryoma".
Title: Re: ZCT249 - What the f*ck is that?
Post by: CTG on April 28, 2022, 02:46:33 PM
Competition managers can decide about the rules, accept guest tracks and include custom cars.

Both car "hackers" and track designers have the opportunity to build something unique. The latter one can also decide - with certain track elements or car bonus adjustments - to give a (dis)advantage to certain cars. Poo should not be blamed for supporting P962. (But he'll burn in hell because of the usual pooish element combinations...  >:( ;D)

pipsqueaks have a choice to participate in a race or not. And they can also decide which car suits them better.

Actually, I like Stratos. It has an excellent design, maybe with a bit "boring" handling (smooth cornering, low top speed, no bugs, no powergear). However, I prefer these less tricky cars, like LM002 or Carrera.

Be sure, I'll use it on the next slow track.
Title: Re: ZCT249 - What the f*ck is that?
Post by: Ryoma on April 28, 2022, 03:26:15 PM
Thanks CTG.
Title: Re: ZCT249 - What the f*ck is that?
Post by: alanrotoi on October 30, 2022, 09:21:11 PM
It's incredible how Duplode and I finished by a difference of 0.05 seconds. Look at an overhead view of the "scene" at 1:09.35 when Duplode just crossed the finish line and I only need 0.05 seconds. :'(

Every hundredth of a second is worth. Go for that Replay Handling!!! 8)