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Title: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Daniel3D on November 19, 2022, 02:10:59 PM
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Keeping aside family pipsqueaks (Manowar, Eddie Brother, La Popis) I met Paleke, Goyo, Gutix and Lukas. I thought the list was larger.

Nobody :(. Stunts meeting 2023?

Yes please:..

Let's organize one properly this time.
Amsterdam is a easy to reach location through Schiphol.
Is Berlin also good to reach? Or other cities?
Someday during the summer probably, or is an out of high season Saturday a better choice to save money?

Maybe we should make a topic with a poll for it..

Just thinking out loud..

A separate topic is a good idea. Let's find out who is interested. :-)
I agree. A new topic on the right place.

Two things we need to get an agreement upon.
When and where  8)
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Argammon on November 19, 2022, 07:20:36 PM
I am in favour of Amsterdam. It is easy to get to from here. :-)

When: Perhaps one of the long weekends in the spring? We already have other plans for Easter.

Other preferences?
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Usrin on November 22, 2022, 03:34:58 PM
Quote from: Argammon on November 19, 2022, 07:20:36 PMI am in favour of Amsterdam. It is easy to get to from here. :-)

When: Perhaps one of the long weekends in the spring? We already have other plans for Easter.

Other preferences?

From my city, Amsterdam is the easiest accessible location outside Norway & Denmark, so there is a significant chance that I would join. But NOT on the Easter weekend, due to family plans and the usually super expensive tickets.
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Argammon on November 22, 2022, 04:04:23 PM
Quote from: Usrin on November 22, 2022, 03:34:58 PM
Quote from: Argammon on November 19, 2022, 07:20:36 PMI am in favour of Amsterdam. It is easy to get to from here. :-)

When: Perhaps one of the long weekends in the spring? We already have other plans for Easter.

Other preferences?

From my city, Amsterdam is the easiest accessible location outside Norway & Denmark, so there is a significant chance that I would join. But NOT on the Easter weekend, due to family plans and the usually super expensive tickets.

Hello Usrin. It's the same for me. The direct KLM flight to AMS is convenient. And yes, I also can't on Easter.

Det er litt morsomt at vi bor nær hverandre nå. Da kunne vi nesten fly ned til Amsterdam sammen ;-).
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Akoss Poo a.k.a. Zorromeister on November 22, 2022, 06:46:16 PM
Maybe. More chance if some old WSM participants turn up, too.

I've never been to the Netherlands, not counting an autobus transit (1994, to GB and back, around Maastricht) and an airport transfer (2018, to GB and back, Schiphol Airport). So that is favourable. Spring is O.K., too.

However, it would be a bit expensive. With Flixbus, the return ticket would cost around 60 000-80 000 HUF from Budapest, per capita. (1 EUR=405-410 HUF, average Hungarian salary is around 250 000 HUF I guess). By car, it would cost around 200 000 HUF gasoline+highway tolls, not counting two transit accomodation in Czech Republic/Germany. More people sit in my car, less it costs per capita. I guess flying would cost somewhere between travelling by bus or car.

So let it stay: maybe.
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Daniel3D on November 22, 2022, 07:37:04 PM
It's often much cheaper to travel from May to early June and late August through mid-October. The weather is still relatively warm during the shoulder season, and you'll beat the crazy summer crowds. This is when we find the best international flight deals!
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Argammon on November 22, 2022, 07:40:55 PM
Quote from: Akoss Poo a.k.a. Zorromeister on November 22, 2022, 06:46:16 PMMaybe. More chance if some old WSM participants turn up, too.

I've never been to the Netherlands, not counting an autobus transit (1994, to GB and back, around Maastricht) and an airport transfer (2018, to GB and back, Schiphol Airport). So that is favourable. Spring is O.K., too.

However, it would be a bit expensive. With Flixbus, the return ticket would cost around 60 000-80 000 HUF from Budapest, per capita. (1 EUR=405-410 HUF, average Hungarian salary is around 250 000 HUF I guess). By car, it would cost around 200 000 HUF gasoline+highway tolls, not counting two transit accomodation in Czech Republic/Germany. More people sit in my car, less it costs per capita. I guess flying would cost somewhere between travelling by bus or car.

So let it stay: maybe.

Yes, travelling is expensive. It's also not cheap to travel from Norway, but I should certainly not complain. :) The problem with flights is that you have to book well in advance to get a good price. The longer you wait, the more expensive it becomes.

I checked a random weekend in May, and for now a return ticket costs about 56000 HUF with Eurowings.


Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Daniel3D on November 22, 2022, 08:44:31 PM
May 27th an option?
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: JTK on November 23, 2022, 09:54:17 AM
World Stunts Meeting? Interesting idea...🤔
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Usrin on November 23, 2022, 06:52:45 PM
Quote from: Argammon on November 22, 2022, 04:04:23 PMHello Usrin. It's the same for me. The direct KLM flight to AMS is convenient. And yes, I also can't on Easter.

Det er litt morsomt at vi bor nær hverandre nå. Da kunne vi nesten fly ned til Amsterdam sammen ;-).

Hei! Har du flyttet til denne delen av Norge? :o
Iallefall for meg betyr «nær» ikke mer enn 10-15 mil... jeg er fortsatt vant til avstandene i Ungarn. :)
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Daniel3D on November 23, 2022, 10:40:13 PM
Guys. I think I found a convenient location for the Meeting.
Cafe chocolate on Schiphol Airport  (https://www.schiphol.nl/en/airport-maps#poi-4zUlhIsDe00m660uwSCMeK)
It's behind security, so inbound travelers don't have to go through customs. And don't leave the airport.
There used to be City hopper flights that didn't allow exit from the airport. Those were a lot cheaper than normal flights. I haven't flown in a while so I don't know if that is still the case.

Anyway, it's a convenient location.
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Argammon on November 23, 2022, 10:44:21 PM
Quote from: Usrin on November 23, 2022, 06:52:45 PM
Quote from: Argammon on November 22, 2022, 04:04:23 PMHello Usrin. It's the same for me. The direct KLM flight to AMS is convenient. And yes, I also can't on Easter.

Det er litt morsomt at vi bor nær hverandre nå. Da kunne vi nesten fly ned til Amsterdam sammen ;-).

Hei! Har du flyttet til denne delen av Norge? :o
Iallefall for meg betyr «nær» ikke mer enn 10-15 mil... jeg er fortsatt vant til avstandene i Ungarn. :)

Ok, da er vi bare nær etter norske standarder. Jeg bor ca. 200km fra Stavanger. ;-)
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Argammon on November 23, 2022, 10:51:36 PM
Quote from: Daniel3D on November 23, 2022, 10:40:13 PMGuys. I think I found a convenient location for the Meeting.
Cafe chocolate on Schiphol Airport  (https://www.schiphol.nl/en/airport-maps#poi-4zUlhIsDe00m660uwSCMeK)
It's behind security, so inbound travelers don't have to go through customs. And don't leave the airport.
There used to be City hopper flights that didn't allow exit from the airport. Those were a lot cheaper than normal flights. I haven't flown in a while so I don't know if that is still the case.

Anyway, it's a convenient location.

Sorry for being dense! Is the idea that we meet there for a couple of hours and then fly back immediately?

I was more thinking about a meeting with 1-2 overnight stays. But of course then the logistics are more difficult. :-)
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Daniel3D on November 23, 2022, 11:02:01 PM
Quote from: Argammon on November 23, 2022, 10:51:36 PM
Quote from: Daniel3D on November 23, 2022, 10:40:13 PMGuys. I think I found a convenient location for the Meeting.
Cafe chocolate on Schiphol Airport  (https://www.schiphol.nl/en/airport-maps#poi-4zUlhIsDe00m660uwSCMeK)
It's behind security, so inbound travelers don't have to go through customs. And don't leave the airport.
There used to be City hopper flights that didn't allow exit from the airport. Those were a lot cheaper than normal flights. I haven't flown in a while so I don't know if that is still the case.

Anyway, it's a convenient location.

Sorry for being dense! Is the idea that we meet there for a couple of hours and then fly back immediately?

I was more thinking about a meeting with 1-2 overnight stays. But of course then the logistics are more difficult. :-)

I think that is more fun indeed. But it will increase the costs as well.. I'm searching for the right balance in that.
So it's worth coming but still affordable for most.
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Usrin on November 24, 2022, 10:49:47 AM
Quote from: Daniel3D on November 23, 2022, 10:40:13 PMGuys. I think I found a convenient location for the Meeting.
Cafe chocolate on Schiphol Airport  (https://www.schiphol.nl/en/airport-maps#poi-4zUlhIsDe00m660uwSCMeK)
It's behind security, so inbound travelers don't have to go through customs. And don't leave the airport.
There used to be City hopper flights that didn't allow exit from the airport. Those were a lot cheaper than normal flights. I haven't flown in a while so I don't know if that is still the case.

Anyway, it's a convenient location.

I don't think it's worth flying anywhere to stay only for a few hours, especially without leaving the airport. If we really want something simple, an online (Teams, Zoom, etc.) meeting is even easier to arrange... A real Stunts Meeting has to include overnight stay(s) and also some sightseeing or other activity related to the host country.

Btw, I happened to play Stunts in Schiphol Airport in the KLM lounge, which is way better than this cafe, but still far from convenient for our purpose...

And although I have flown a lot* to AMS, I've never heard that the Cityhopper flights (=short-distance flights like SVG-AMS, typically with smaller planes than e.g. BUD-AMS) would be cheaper if you don't leave the airport. What would be the point of that?

*: Useless data about myself: overall 56 flights with departure or arrival in AMS.
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Usrin on November 24, 2022, 11:00:58 AM
Quote from: Argammon on November 23, 2022, 10:44:21 PMJeg bor ca. 200km fra Stavanger. ;-)

200 km nord? ;)
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Daniel3D on November 24, 2022, 12:11:24 PM
I don't know what the point was. I remember that I didn't understand it back then either. So I could be mistaken.

So. We're going big on the world meeting.

Then we need a plan. And a agenda.
Time to prepare as well.

Location: Amsterdam
Outside activities:
- channel tour (private)?
- go cart racing ?
- going out for a few beers.
Stunts activities:
- some presentation/debate about the future of stunts?
- a knockout competition
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Argammon on November 24, 2022, 12:17:36 PM
Quote from: Usrin on November 24, 2022, 11:00:58 AM
Quote from: Argammon on November 23, 2022, 10:44:21 PMJeg bor ca. 200km fra Stavanger. ;-)

200 km nord? ;)

Nei, jeg bor nær KRS. Og noen ganger er det veldig dyrt å fly fra Kjevik. Da er Sola en alternativ. :)

Foresten, det var meg som har sendt deg en venneforespørsel på Facebook. Men det er helt greit hvis du ikke vill.  ;)

Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Argammon on November 24, 2022, 12:23:29 PM
Quote from: Daniel3D on November 24, 2022, 12:11:24 PMI don't know what the point was. I remember that I didn't understand it back then either. So I could be mistaken.

So. We're going big on the world meeting.

Then we need a plan. And a agenda.
Time to prepare as well.

Location: Amsterdam
Outside activities:
- channel tour (private)?
- go cart racing ?
- going out for a few beers.
Stunts activities:
- some presentation/debate about the future of stunts?
- a knockout competition


Thanks for taking the lead, Daniel. I really appreciate that, and I like your ideas. :)

Regarding accommodation, is it affordable to rent a holiday home for a day or two? Then, we would have a place to sleep and to play stunts.
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Usrin on November 24, 2022, 12:50:02 PM
Quote from: Argammon on November 24, 2022, 12:17:36 PMForesten, det var meg som har sendt deg en venneforespørsel på Facebook. Men det er helt greit hvis du ikke vill.  ;)

Beklager, jeg har ikke sett meldingen og ante ikke hvem du var.  :)
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Daniel3D on November 24, 2022, 01:46:03 PM
Quote from: Argammon on November 24, 2022, 12:23:29 PM
Quote from: Daniel3D on November 24, 2022, 12:11:24 PMI don't know what the point was. I remember that I didn't understand it back then either. So I could be mistaken.

So. We're going big on the world meeting.

Then we need a plan. And a agenda.
Time to prepare as well.

Location: Amsterdam
Outside activities:
- channel tour (private)?
- go cart racing ?
- going out for a few beers.
Stunts activities:
- some presentation/debate about the future of stunts?
- a knockout competition


Thanks for taking the lead, Daniel. I really appreciate that, and I like your ideas. :)

Regarding accommodation, is it affordable to rent a holiday home for a day or two? Then, we would have a place to sleep and to play stunts.
Yes, I think that we can. But then it would be convenient to have transportation and drivers as well.
I can get at least 2 car's that seat 7 people (and maybe a 9p mini van). But I can't drive.
So we'll need that as well.
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Argammon on November 24, 2022, 02:06:51 PM
I have a driver's license and so do others, I guess.  :) So that should be fine.

The holiday home is likely expensive if only a few pipsqueaks attend. So, we can only book one after people commit. 
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Daniel3D on November 24, 2022, 02:44:43 PM
Quote from: Argammon on November 24, 2022, 02:06:51 PMI have a driver's license and so do others, I guess.  :) So that should be fine.

The holiday home is likely expensive if only a few pipsqueaks attend. So, we can only book one after people commit. 
Yes, but it will be cheaper than individual hotel accomodations.
I know of a park nearby that has double 10 person houses.
So 20 people per pair (if I'm not mistaken)
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Usrin on November 24, 2022, 03:12:51 PM
Quote from: Daniel3D on November 24, 2022, 02:44:43 PM
Quote from: Argammon on November 24, 2022, 02:06:51 PMI have a driver's license and so do others, I guess.  :) So that should be fine.

The holiday home is likely expensive if only a few pipsqueaks attend. So, we can only book one after people commit. 
Yes, but it will be cheaper than individual hotel accomodations.
I know of a park nearby that has double 10 person houses.
So 20 people per pair (if I'm not mistaken)

Is there Airbnb in Amsterdam? That should have a big selection of apartments/holiday homes.
Unfortunately I can confirm only 1-2 months before the meeting if I am attending. Family & work issues are unpredictable... But if I am joining, I can drive.
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Daniel3D on November 24, 2022, 07:14:31 PM
There are several options for accomodations. Maybe I can arrange a scalable reservation somewhere. An Airbnb may not have enough facilities for a large group but that is something to find out.
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Overdrijf on November 24, 2022, 09:43:36 PM
I'm interested by the way, just didn't have much to say on the topic.

Quote from: Usrin on November 24, 2022, 03:12:51 PMIs there Airbnb in Amsterdam?

Yes but also sort of. They have been cracking down on it in recent years, because there were loads of people renting cheap state subsidized apartments, putting them up on Airbnb and living somewhere else.

Speaking of which, if this is indeed happening somewhere in or near the Netherlands I'd be willing as the hosting and non-travelling party to help arrange some things from this end.

On the accommodations front I could ask about my scout clubhouse. It's new, it's pretty big, it has zero beds and 3 couches (but lots and lots of floor space to lie down on) and it should be cheaper than Airbnb's in Amsterdam, but it also sits at a 20 minute train ride and either 20 minutes on a (rented?) bicycle or a wait and a pretty long bus ride from the nice big touristy city you'd want to be visiting if you're in the country anyway. And I'm also not sure we already do non-scouting related bookings, or what the current deal with internet access is. So there's some pros and some cons and some things I'd have to ask about.

There might also in general be some other options like this but outside of my own direct network that are easier to book if you speak Dutch and are able to look around locally.

In general I'm not super connected to Amsterdam itself though. That's one of the few places around here I haven't lived in.

(If the meeting is somewhere else that obviously changes the roles a bit.)
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Argammon on November 25, 2022, 12:54:59 PM
Thanks @Overdrijf and @Daniel3D for many good ideas. 👍

It is also good that the local organization rests on two shoulders. Assuming we go for the Netherlands, which I hope. :)

The first we should decide is probably the date. Should we do this here or is using a doodle more efficient?

Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: dreadnaut on November 26, 2022, 04:17:26 PM
Too early to say for me, but vaguely interested. Something like two nights in AMS could work. Happy with a high-occupation flat, but I'm ready with inflatable mat and sleeping bag if needed.
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Overdrijf on November 29, 2022, 07:43:06 PM
O, right, good to mention it here too: I made a poll about dates (https://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=4050.0). At least 2 people already found it. 8)
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Overdrijf on December 08, 2022, 10:32:42 PM
Well, looks like for now it's mostly the five of us that are interested: Argammon, Akoss, Daniel, Usrin and myself. Could still be interesting, if we manage to limit everyone's travel time and cost a bit. Trains through Germany are going to be cheap this summer?  ;D

Quote from: JTK on November 23, 2022, 09:54:17 AMWorld Stunts Meeting? Interesting idea...🤔

By the way: hi JTK! It's good seeing some classic names still popping up every now and then.
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Argammon on December 08, 2022, 10:43:56 PM
I think Akoss did not decide yet. I sure hope he will be coming!  ;D
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Cas on December 09, 2022, 11:36:54 PM
At least, I was able to meet Daniel3D and Overdrijf :)  But I don't think my next trip to Europe will be soon. I'm poor now  ;D
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Overdrijf on January 04, 2023, 12:41:26 AM
So the good news is that a while back a sixth person answered the poll. The bad news is that we no longer have a date where everyone is available. The other bad news is we haven't posted in a while and the initiative seems to be leaking away a little. So, do we keep the dream alive?
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Daniel3D on January 04, 2023, 02:11:55 PM
I'm still ready for it. It's always busy around New Year. So thanks for igniting the topic again.
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Argammon on January 18, 2023, 12:44:41 PM
Maybe the best approach is to pick a date and then ask people to commit. If less than X are interested, we skip it for this year.

Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Daniel3D on January 18, 2023, 08:36:55 PM
Quote from: Argammon on January 18, 2023, 12:44:41 PMMaybe the best approach is to pick a date and then ask people to commit. If less than X are interested, we skip it for this year.
I agree. May 27th still seems to be the best choice.
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Cas on January 19, 2023, 12:43:57 AM
I don't think I can make it to Europe again this year... and in the first half... but if I have the chance, I'll let you know  8)
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Overdrijf on January 30, 2023, 05:23:22 PM
O yeah, replying, that's a good idea. I'm still up for it. May 27th would work for me. (Even if I do risk having stuff 3 weekends in a row that way, I can make that work.) Maybe make an app group for those interested, for easier talking?
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Argammon on March 27, 2023, 11:26:30 AM
So, I guess the meeting is off? This is a pity as I was looking forward to some in-person live racing!

An alternative to skipping it entirely would be running a scaled down version on a random weekend, where pipsqueaks arrive on Friday evening and leave on Sunday morning. Of course, this version may not be too attractive for those of us with significant travel costs. On the plus side a meeting is probably easier to arrange if we aren't too ambitious. Thoughts?  :)
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Daniel3D on March 27, 2023, 12:03:16 PM
Scaling down won't make it worthwhile.
Scaling up and postpone until next year is better I think.
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: dreadnaut on March 27, 2023, 07:15:34 PM
I'd say organise what can happen, with those who can be around. If we wait until it's perfect, it'll be for Stunts 50th anniversary.
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: Daniel3D on March 27, 2023, 07:49:59 PM
Alright, we can do that too. We can scale based on attendance.
So i guess you'll be there may 27th?  8)
Title: Re: World STUNTS meeting 2023
Post by: dreadnaut on March 28, 2023, 07:13:52 PM
I have another failed trip to fix at the moment. If I can fix it, then it's possible 👍

(If I can't fix it and I have to rebook flights, my travel budget is gone...)