Alright... I created a basis for a NoRH competition.
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Rules are as follows..
Drive the track according ZakStunts rules.
Penalty time is not allowed.
Replay Handling is not allowed obviously, usage of below attached STUNTS version is mandatory.
The Car selected for this race is the Melange. (included in the package)
You can participate in two ways
- by uploading your replay file in this topic.
- by uploading it on The Stunts NoRH competition website (https://ntt.mystunts.net)
If you use the forum the I will upload the replays for you.
EDIT:site link updated to new location.
Count me in, of course! It will be great to, at long last, once more feel the thrill of an outright, no-asterisks, NoRH with shortcuts race 8)
In three days it starts. 8)
The track selected for this event is a adaptation of Cactus.trk from the December 2020 live race. It's renamed cacti.trk
If you want to participate on the site, you need an account. The registration form asks 3 personal questions you have to answer.
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Those who are registered on the custom car championship site are already added.
I already have a replay ready to be sent hehehe
What is your time
@Erik Barros?
I wonder how many pipsqueaks are going to participate. I know
@alanrotoi and
@Duplode will, perhaps
@Overdrijf and
@KyLiE. Anybody else?
Could you add opponents times as incentive?
If you give me the data I could.
If you drive against them to generate the times then I'll upload them and correct the times
@Daniel3D, I noticed the site is very similar to CCC, where
@alanrotoi is admin. Couldn't you make him admin on the NoRH site also, to take some work off your shoulders?
@Argammon my current time is 1:20.90
Quote from: Argammon on April 13, 2023, 07:01:35 PM@Daniel3D, I noticed the site is very similar to CCC, where @alanrotoi is admin. Couldn't you make him admin on the NoRH site also, to take some work off your shoulders?
It is in fact a duplicate. So all user accounts are transferred.. So Alan has already access.
Only difference is that all replays have to be verified.
Duplode his method will suffice in this case because there is no PG play. Also, everyone is allowed to check other drivers replay.
I've submitted my first NoRH replay! Well... two replays, ha, ha
Bam. Let's start with a "no look" attempt using my strategy from the live race.
(Edit: Sorry, seem to have resubmitted it by refreshing.)
Seven pipsqueaks already, very nice! And a lead change! Maybe I should try improving a bit -- it's an earlier time of the day, which might help...
Now we are eight already! :) It would be cool if pipsqueaks who don't have the time for a whole month of Zakstunts at the moment would give it a lap.
@Akoss Poo a.k.a. Zorromeister,
@CTG perhaps?
On another note, the competition should be cross referenced better. I suggest adding it to the portal at least.
Happy racing! 8)
Quote from: Argammon on April 17, 2023, 09:04:02 AMOn another note, the competition should be cross referenced better. I suggest adding it to the portal at least.
If it becomes a regular thing that is certainly a good idea.
It should have a forum section then as well.
I don't mind hosting it. And I can alternate it with the CCC.
But to host a new one I'd like some input.
Feedback in general and tracks with intended car's would be appreciated.So far a good race 8)
I'm willing to advice on/help out with/completely handle the track/car side. Especially if it alternates with CCC. The trick is going to be finding the right complexity and length, that seems manageable.
Quote from: Overdrijf on April 17, 2023, 11:26:37 AMI'm willing to advice on/help out with/completely handle the track/car side. Especially if it alternates with CCC. The trick is going to be finding the right complexity and length, that seems manageable.
That idea is on hold for the moment because somebody had to burst the bubble.
I don't feel like putting effort into it if trust in other players is so low.
In other news, I stupidly crashed an even better lap in the high curve. >:(
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I just got a 2:18.70 driving without sound at work. I feel much more proud of that than I should. (That is to say: my pride is a positive value.)
I really, really love this track for NoRH. It's so good.
Quote from: Overdrijf on April 22, 2023, 01:17:11 PMI really, really love this track for NoRH. It's so good.
I agree. CAS made a good track for the live race back then. Easy to adapt to a normal track. I'm glad it works so well as I hoped it would.
But even more than that, it feels designed for this race with this car, and very well designed at that.
The first corner is just easy enough to take at full speed pretty consistently, then there's a combo that gets you to full speed reliably, there's just enough room after the loop to make for a very strategic decision, then there's a few slightly different corners, the one blocked by a slalom, the elevated one, and the one with the cork and the tunnel. There's even a few of those tricks that make you think "should I go for that?" (the loopcut, the slalomcut, the speedup on the pipe). It's allround awesome.
No hidden replays, that's a shame :(
I can disable automatic publishing of the replays. But that would mean you and I will have to verify each replay. Now anyone is able do that if they want.
Perhaps you could at least move the deadline so that the race does not end during central European sleeping time? ;)
Quote from: Argammon on April 22, 2023, 08:09:53 PMPerhaps you could at least move the deadline so that the race does not end during central European sleeping time? ;)
I can only set a date at the moment. To influence the time I have to look at Duplode for a update of the site.
Around 22:00 EST would benefit everyone I think. (Maybe inconvenient for Australia but I think that it will be early morning there. Not middle of the night for any current players.
A countdown timer like ZakStunts would not be unnecessary either.
Quote from: Daniel3D on April 22, 2023, 06:40:40 PMI can disable automatic publishing of the replays. But that would mean you and I will have to verify each replay. Now anyone is able do that if they want.
A bit late for that but if you organize another race replays should be hidden (at least we should have the choice).
Quote from: alanrotoi on April 22, 2023, 11:56:56 PMQuote from: Daniel3D on April 22, 2023, 06:40:40 PMI can disable automatic publishing of the replays. But that would mean you and I will have to verify each replay. Now anyone is able do that if they want.
A bit late for that but if you organize another race replays should be hidden (at least we should have the choice).
A can turn it on or of at any time. But there is no choice for the player.
I could disable it for the last week.
Quote from: Daniel3D on April 22, 2023, 06:40:40 PMI can disable automatic publishing of the replays. But that would mean you and I will have to verify each replay. Now anyone is able do that if they want.
Honestly, if you are going to consider doing hidden replays because Alan asked, maybe also consider not letting Alan be the one who verifies everyone else's replays.
Nothing personal, and I regret that this proposal saddles you personally with even more work, but giving such a competitive player such an information advantage is going to lead to questions sooner or later. Especially if they were the one calling for having the information secret to begin with.
Two simple options here:
- Keep replays public, as they are right now.
- Hide replays, provisionally accept them by default as in CCC, and verify the final laps after the deadline.
Personally, I'm okay with things as they are, but don't really care either way. The only thing that's not worth it is over-complicating the procedures, whatever you decide to do about it.
I'm in favour of the current state as well. Because I feel like secrecy and tactics doesn't favour a small competition.
Quote from: Daniel3D on April 23, 2023, 07:55:46 AMI feel like secrecy and tactics doesn't favour a small competition.
But you aren't considering about the tactic of watching and copying others replays. How to prevent it then?
Quote from: alanrotoi on April 24, 2023, 12:54:14 AMQuote from: Daniel3D on April 23, 2023, 07:55:46 AMI feel like secrecy and tactics doesn't favour a small competition.
But you aren't considering about the tactic of watching and copying others replays. How to prevent it then?
How to prevent what? I don't follow.
maybe i wasn't clear.
I feel like secrecy, "evasive tactics" and "hiding tactics" do not favour a small competition.
I view learning of each other's replay as something positive and equalizing.
It's a racing game, not a game of hide and seek the best line or strategy.
Quote from: alanrotoi on April 24, 2023, 12:54:14 AMQuote from: Daniel3D on April 23, 2023, 07:55:46 AMI feel like secrecy and tactics doesn't favour a small competition.
But you aren't considering about the tactic of watching and copying others replays. How to prevent it then?
I don't think this is an issue because we are talking about a casual NoRH race. Copying a replay is a much bigger issue when replay handling is allowed.
I also agree with Daniel3D that it is not wise to allow replay hiding in a small competition, with the possible exception of the last day so that we Europeans can go to bed early. If everyone hides their replays, the competition seems inactive and becomes unattractive to new pipsqueaks.
I wrote this but it needs a deeper explanation:
Quote from: alanrotoi on April 24, 2023, 07:04:05 PMThe fun part, all what a race in this game means is not copying others replays but finding your own path, making your own tricks, it's not just driving.
Ok this is the truth but from certain point of view, a non-amateur point of view. It's annoying to share knowledge or tricks to other non-amateur opponent while he can find by himself saving him time and effort. It kills part of what a competition means.
In the other hand, watching and copying replays
is part of the game. We all learned to race this way and that's why teams are so necessary.
Quote from: Daniel3DI view learning of each other's replay as something positive and equalizing.
I agree and I support it. Maybe we should find when is the best moment for that. Also this is good for amateur pipsqueaks (as wide as the concept is, not a zakstunts amateur competition pipsqueak) to learn what's going on the track. For the moment in this race noone is an amateur pipsqueak or new pipsqueak, maybe we are failing in the way we attract new people here in the community.
Quote from: Daniel3DIt's a racing game, not a game of hide and seek the best line or strategy.
I think it's both and even more. It's a racing game, it's a game of finding the best line, the tricks and shortcuts and also a game of strategies, solo or team strategies. All of these aspects are quiet fun.
Maybe we should catalog some aspects of the competitions. I commented it before, when I managed 4dsL the main objective was to attract new people to the community ( https://wiki.stunts.hu/wiki/4D_Stunts_League#History_.28by_Alan_Rotoi.29 )
I realized that the pro times were going to demoralize new pipsqueaks so I found the way to keep them separated and at the end of the race top 3 replays from both leagues were shared. That's the way I found and also I found not so happy comments from the pro pipsqueaks of the community. Something similar I'm doing now. There are differences of course, the lack of new pipsqueaks that gives meaning to all these manager strategies and equalizations. If this project is another step to attract new pipsqueaks I want to support it at 100%.
Probably we should take in mind about another category of competition, like Stunts Academy or Stunts University or another name that fits with a "searching new people competition".
You raise several different viewpoints. At the moment I can't process all aspects of it.
One thing I try to do is make it accessible to new players. ZakStunts is a pro championship with secret team meetings hidden replays and trickery.
NoRH and CCC I try to keep transparent.
I've just had a session and improved my time a bit, but only to 1:13.40, so I think I'll make a few more attempts before calling it a day. There are a couple passages in my line I'm not 100% satisfied with yet, so I have the rest of the week to figure it out... ;)
To remove pressure about the timing of posting laps on the last day, tomorrow will be a quiet day: starting from midnight, uploaded replays won't be displayed on the scoreboard until Daniel reviews them after the deadline. It's the final day, fasten your seatbelts! ;)
Because of the success there will be another race in about 2 weeks.
There is a new space on the forum alongside the Custom Cars Competition.