I posted this in the Zakstunts shoutbox, but I guess here is better.
I'm going to hopefully be sending some people to the community soon. I can give them exactly one link. (And it's on paper rather than digital, so it has to be a simple link.) The obvious choice is Stunts.hu. The design is a little "time capsule", but it links the forum, the wiki and the active competitions. Is there a possibility of maybe getting the Youtube channel somewhere on there as well? And is there anything else worth considering?
Is that page even sort of community controlled like Zakstunts? Or is it still Zak's baby, as the copyright notice suggests?
That would be very useful
Adding the youtube channel and removing the chat (its not used enough to be still there)
moving inactive competitions to an archive page may also help to give it a cleaner look.
thus. i think, changing the chat link to inactive competitions. and the space that comes available can be used for the youtube channel promotion, and maybe views of one or more of the academy videos.
somewhere a "random trivia" that never changes,. "In 2022 a staggering number of xN replays were entered in the competitions, and we are well on the way of topping that this year" 8) to show we are far from dead...
I think it all can fit there. It's just a matter of sorting things. I like what it looks like now, but maybe yes, we could study what would be the best way to make stunts.hu catch as much fish as possible, because that'd be the purpose of a main portal.
The chat is still in good use, just not permanent use. We do use it a lot for live races. We've been discussing this in the past, but I think I'll make a new thread about the specific problem there because I'm interested in helping there.
I'm starting the hopefully sending over on June 3rd, by the way.
So yeah, I might have been a bit late in posting this.
Quote from: Cas on May 26, 2023, 10:49:19 PMThe chat is still in good use, just not permanent use. We do use it a lot for live races.
True, but the link on ZakStunts is sufficient for that purpose. It confusing on the portal because it raises the expectations of heavy usage.
I've replaced the link to the chat with one pointing to the youtube channel for the moment.
Quote from: Overdrijf on May 26, 2023, 05:59:11 PMAnd it's on paper rather than digital, so it has to be a simple link.
Curious, tell us more!
@Daniel3D, could you prepare an updated description for CCC? Want to add No-Time Travel as well?
Quote from: dreadnaut on May 28, 2023, 10:48:14 AMI've replaced the link to the chat with one pointing to the youtube channel for the moment.
Quote from: Overdrijf on May 26, 2023, 05:59:11 PMAnd it's on paper rather than digital, so it has to be a simple link.
Curious, tell us more!
@Daniel3D, could you prepare an updated description for CCC? Want to add No-Time Travel as well?
That's a good idea.
I'll prepare that tonight. When I setup the new race for tomorrow.
I would love to add No Time Travel as well.
Quote from: dreadnaut on May 28, 2023, 10:48:14 AMCurious, tell us more!
I made a topic about it in the custom car forum before, Stunts is going to be in a museum, as part of a temporary exhibition. It's a Dutch museum about the DAF car/truck brand. The game is a fully playable modded version featuring one of their cars. (Yes, a version of that car is coming to the community as well eventually. The game in the museum also contains another trick I had been wanting to try for a while.) I get to do a little community promoting in the description of the exhibit, so that's the story behind this topic.
@dreadnaut, now that you're working on the portal, I think it could be time I inject that code in R4K so it passes the info to the Stunts portal and we can see what the current race is, time left, etc. I'll PM you about that.
One step ahead: we have some rough support for showing events from different competitions on the portal, all in one place. (see thread (https://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=3807.0))
Competition managers: I put some sample code to automatically submit events (https://github.com/dreadnaut/stunts-portal-api) on BitBucket. Alternatively, someone could build a small HTML page to add events manually. You can submit data with a form, but you need to add security headers, see docs on BitBucket. Probably a job for Fetch (https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Fetch_API) and Headers (https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Headers).
Wiki experts: what do you think of adding a Competitions category to the wiki? We could move the historical data in there, all details are exposed via /api/competitions:
- https://stunts.hu/api/competitions?status=all
- documentation (https://github.com/dreadnaut/stunts-portal-api#available-endpoints)
For completeness, although this has already been discussed in the other thread:
R4K already has the interface with the Portal. It has been tested and appears to work well. I'd like to make another test when our current race ends and when we schedule the next one, but it should be fine. If all that works well, our tournament is already fully compliant.
Quote from: Daniel3D on June 19, 2023, 10:56:18 AMTwo things I am missing in the competition's (not relevant to ZakStunts) is, the car(s) allowed and the description text (or part of it).
Yes, I'll probably reintroduce the competition description as a "static" message that doesn't need an update every year. For cars, I've considered a few options and decided to leave that out:
- 4-letter car codes? too obscure
- car icons? no way with so many custom cars
- car names? again too many cars to maintain have a common table of names, so they would need to be supplied by the competition, and naming conventions would likely vary
Fot the moment, I think I prefer to leave that information to the competition own pages.
Quote from: dreadnaut on June 17, 2023, 02:25:33 PMWiki experts: what do you think of adding a Competitions category to the wiki? We could move the historical data in there, all details are exposed via /api/competitions:
The Wiki has a reasonably well populated Competitions category (https://wiki.stunts.hu/wiki/Category:Competitions). Are you thinking of pulling data from the API to populate infoboxes and such using something like Extension:External Data (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:External_Data), or of something more expansive?
On extra information, I was going to say that one thing I was missing a bit was the summary of the rules, and that adding back the descriptions would largely cover it. Now I see you have added back the descriptions, and the rules are indeed covered :)
Quote from: dreadnaut on June 19, 2023, 06:28:09 PMFor cars, I've considered a few options and decided to leave that out:
- 4-letter car codes? too obscure
- car icons? no way with so many custom cars
- car names? again too many cars to maintain have a common table of names,
That is a good point.
I was thinking about an open field, set by the competition manager.
But in the line that I use at NTT.
Car name as link to the Wiki and the ID.
For visual purposes I can accept using a standard line like "variable carpacks" for CCC.
Quote from: Duplode on June 20, 2023, 02:35:45 AMThe Wiki has a reasonably well populated Competitions category (https://wiki.stunts.hu/wiki/Category:Competitions).
How did I not find that? 🤦
My preference would be to move all details from the portal to each competition page in the Wiki, where they are easier to edit, and then replace the many banners without information with a single link to the Competitions category. The portal would then represent the
live community, while the wiki would be its
archive.
Then we have more space on the portal for... <suggestions welcome!>
Quote from: Daniel3D on June 20, 2023, 10:23:12 AMI was thinking about an open field, set by the competition manager.
But in the line that I use at NTT.
Car name as link to the Wiki and the ID.
For visual purposes I can accept using a standard line like "variable carpacks" for CCC.
I'd rather not have a potentially long description in each event, duplicating what is already on the track page. We can tweak
competition descriptions though, and make sure the elements that make them different stand out.
Imagine the portal as a calendar with small boxes, 'cause one of the next steps is a nice visualisation like the one you suggested ;D
I like your approach. I can also contribute to tidying up anything needed in the wiki. I've been working on articles about different tournaments, adding info and creating some that weren't there, so I could do some more of that.
Hey, how about Live Races? Should there be an entry for Le Stunts in the portal? Maybe one that populates whenever there's a scheduled live race.
Quote from: dreadnaut on June 20, 2023, 02:44:23 PMQuote from: Daniel3D on June 20, 2023, 10:23:12 AMI was thinking about an open field, set by the competition manager.
But in the line that I use at NTT.
Car name as link to the Wiki and the ID.
For visual purposes I can accept using a standard line like "variable carpacks" for CCC.
I'd rather not have a potentially long description in each event, duplicating what is already on the track page. We can tweak competition descriptions though, and make sure the elements that make them different stand out.
You misunderstood me.
I only meant it in reference to the car driven for the track.
Unlike ZakStunts, it changes per track.
For R4K and NTT it's only one car.
For CCC the current reference is sufficient.
I agree that it should be as clean and simple as possible. But the car is, at least for the single car competitions, important information.
Quote from: Cas on June 20, 2023, 08:07:45 PMI like your approach. I can also contribute to tidying up anything needed in the wiki. I've been working on articles about different tournaments, adding info and creating some that weren't there, so I could do some more of that.
Hey, how about Live Races? Should there be an entry for Le Stunts in the portal? Maybe one that populates whenever there's a scheduled live race.
I think that there should be one for le stunts and your easytour.
But only visible when an event is planned.
Quote from: Daniel3D on June 20, 2023, 10:54:57 PMYou misunderstood me.
No no, I got it the first time, but I might not have replied clearly. Let me try again: I don't think there is a smooth way to have information about cars, because there are too many possibilities. You could have one car, a set of four, a list so long that you have to write "A car pack". Different people might use different text, and being only text its value would be reduced for custom cars.
I prefer not to add a field for generic text, at least right now. Let's take a moment to digest and work on what we have.
Quote from: dreadnaut on June 20, 2023, 11:54:45 PMQuote from: Daniel3D on June 20, 2023, 10:54:57 PMYou misunderstood me.
No no, I got it the first time, but I might not have replied clearly. Let me try again: I don't think there is a smooth way to have information about cars, because there are too many possibilities. You could have one car, a set of four, a list so long that you have to write "A car pack". Different people might use different text, and being only text its value would be reduced for custom cars.
I prefer not to add a field for generic text, at least right now. Let's take a moment to digest and work on what we have.
Ok. Clear.
I think a CSV file in the Wiki and car ID in the API is a good solution.
You can write rules for displaying cars based on the information in te csv.
And the car creator's are responsible for the wiki based csv file.
Quote from: dreadnaut on June 20, 2023, 02:44:23 PMMy preference would be to move all details from the portal to each competition page in the Wiki, where they are easier to edit, and then replace the many banners without information with a single link to the Competitions category. The portal would then represent the live community, while the wiki would be its archive.
Then we have more space on the portal for... <suggestions welcome!>
I have created a new portal page for inactive competitions (https://stunts.hu/inactive-competitions), so they are gone from the home page.
1. Do we have Wiki pages for all competitions? Can you help me compile a list so I can link to those pages from the inactive competitions list?
2. Let's restart this thread: what do
you think should appear on the Stunts portal?
Quote from: dreadnaut on January 25, 2024, 08:44:13 PM1. Do we have Wiki pages for all competitions? Can you help me compile a list so I can link to those pages from the inactive competitions list?
Yup, we do:
- https://wiki.stunts.hu/wiki/UnskilledStunts
- Also: https://wiki.stunts.hu/wiki/UnskilledStunts_League
- https://wiki.stunts.hu/wiki/Stunts_LOL
- https://wiki.stunts.hu/wiki/IMSA_Cup
- https://wiki.stunts.hu/wiki/WRC_Stunts
- https://wiki.stunts.hu/wiki/Kalpen_Competition
- https://wiki.stunts.hu/wiki/Indy_Racing_Cup
- We were supposed to merge the article with https://wiki.stunts.hu/wiki/ISA_competition , but I'd need a reminder on what the plan for the merger actually was :D
- https://wiki.stunts.hu/wiki/JACStunts
- https://wiki.stunts.hu/wiki/Feel_The_Thrill
- https://wiki.stunts.hu/wiki/Stunts_Drivers_Races
- Also: https://wiki.stunts.hu/wiki/International_Stunts_Master
- Oh, and https://wiki.stunts.hu/wiki/Stunts_Olympic_Games too :)
- https://wiki.stunts.hu/wiki/The_Southern_Cross_Stunts_Trophy
- https://wiki.stunts.hu/wiki/Copa_Stunts
- The banner is a dead link now.
- https://wiki.stunts.hu/wiki/Stunts_LOL_Classics
Also:
https://wiki.stunts.hu/wiki/ISA_competition
https://wiki.stunts.hu/wiki/World_Stunts_Championship
https://wiki.stunts.hu/wiki/Race_For_Immortality