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Title: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: Daniel3D on December 14, 2023, 10:10:35 AM
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Christmas is coming.

The holiday season is about to start and the ZakStunts season comes to an end. The dark days of winter are upon us and the long wait until the next ZakStunts season will begin.
But there is LIGHT, a Christmas miracle.. The Kevin Pickell ghost of Christmas Past saw the light and fixed the bug..

For this holiday special event race the Powergear bug is no more. What will this mean for the game? Is it still fun? Where did the rum go? Come and test your favourite car.

Download the carpack and play on your copy of the game or download the CCC-game-pack on the CCC website  (https://ccc.mystunts.net/index.php)and just start racing. The race starts in a few hours. Until January 7th. See you on the track and MERRY CHRISTMAS
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: Argammon on December 14, 2023, 11:34:19 AM
Thanks for another great effort, Daniel. That is really appreciated. Unfortunately, I am not going to race during the Christmas break. But I am really curious to see how the cars compare to one another after the bug has been fixed.

For example, currently the Lancia is better than the Lambo and the Carrera (it has a lower balanced bonus according to Duplode's work). I would guess the Lancia is the worst of the three after the fix. Let's see!  8)
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: Shoegazing Leo on December 14, 2023, 03:55:42 PM
The track works well with slower and faster cars. Great track design by Patito Rotoi (look likes name of a enganche from Leandro N. Alem, the third team from Avellaneda).
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: Daniel3D on December 15, 2023, 12:04:12 AM
Quote from: Shoegazing Leo on December 14, 2023, 03:55:42 PMThe track works well with slower and faster cars. Great track design by Patito Rotoi (look likes name of a enganche from Leandro N. Alem, the third team from Avellaneda).
I'm happy to hear that it feels good for all cars. I had several tracks in mind, fast and slow ones. This track was also used for the third race this year. Alan Rotoi designed for a balance between a slower but fast accelerating car and a faster but slow accelerating car. And one in between as well. They ended up with similar times so I hoped it would work for this lot as well.
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: alanrotoi on December 15, 2023, 05:12:59 AM
Thank you! Track on demand seems a new subgenre of track building ;D
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: Daniel3D on December 15, 2023, 08:09:11 AM
Quote from: alanrotoi on December 15, 2023, 05:12:59 AMThank you! Track on demand seems a new subgenre of track building ;D
That's a nice way to say I'm a very demanding person  8)
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: Mark Nailwood on December 27, 2023, 05:21:43 PM
Hi @Daniel3D and all the others racing at the CCC! As stated in the "Rules": Finishing by passing outside the poles or over the banner is not considered a legal finish.
I just checked the fastest replays from all current drivers, and only the ones from @Duplode and @Spoonboy are clearly finishing with passing under the banner. The one from @Shoegazing Leo is a borderline case, as it just touches the top of the banner, but the ones from @Cas, @Erik Barros and @alanrotoi all finish with jumping high above the banner. Also, all of my current replays are invalid, as I was not aware of this rule when I sent them.
Sure, we could fix our replays easily by just braking at the appropriate point before the finish, but then the resulting times will be slower and will not replace the previously sent ones with the invalid finish. So, I suggest making all current and possible future pipsqueaks aware of this rule, maybe by placing an extra remark at the "Post a Replay" section, and additionally all current invalid replays should be removed so that we can send fixed ones.
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: Cas on December 27, 2023, 06:03:42 PM
Oh!  Well, we have time. We could just send new replays. It's easy to say for me, because I only sent a few, but some of you have sent with all cars! :O
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: Erik Barros on December 27, 2023, 06:10:48 PM
Hey @Mark Nailwood , thanks for the warning, in fact I checked @Duplode replay yesterday and noticed that he slowed down at the finish line, I thought it was strange and went to confirm the rules. I have already participated in previous editions and never paid attention to passing through the banner, if there were valid laps it was due to pure luck. You did very good laps with all the cars, what did you think of this version of the modified cars? @Daniel3D did a great job with this pack.
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: Spoonboy on December 27, 2023, 08:59:27 PM
I was about to mention this, but @Mark Nailwood beat me to it ;)
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: Daniel3D on December 28, 2023, 12:26:22 PM
Ok. I didn't know that it would be so easy to get a flyby.
Something to take into account for future tracks.

I rephrased the rule recently after the ZakStunts track with the instant finish bug. But the rules effectively haven't changed since the beginning of the season.

I can't check the replay files at the moment. But I'll change the status of the ones mentioned to unverified. If I make a mistake it's easy to correct and the don't disappear.

Thanks for checking and posting.
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: alanrotoi on December 28, 2023, 01:39:18 PM
Free rules are so standard that I forgot this rule here. I'll update my following replays with valid rules. Thanks @Mark Nailwood
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: Daniel3D on December 29, 2023, 09:54:13 AM
Quote from: alanrotoi on December 28, 2023, 01:39:18 PMFree rules are so standard that I forgot this rule here. I'll update my following replays with valid rules. Thanks @Mark Nailwood
After reviewing the replay list and realising (after rejecting half of the replays) that I would have to reject more than 80% of the replays. I felt conflicted..
Since I feel partly responsible for the track design and such a massive violation makes me feel like this rule was not clear.

I have decided to allow the fly over as exception.
Though I'm aware that it affects those who did follow the rules. The fallout is much less, and I rather be lenient than strict in Christmas time...

Love to you all,
Daniel
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: Cas on December 29, 2023, 09:10:09 PM
The thing is it's harder to post a better replay and also not fly over the finish line. On the other hand, if you first drove the correct way, you can now do the opposite
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: Spoonboy on December 30, 2023, 12:42:09 PM
This is frustrating, as I've been working hard to improve my (already correctly driven) laps!
I read and understood the rules, which I think are stated clearly. I'm surprised that seasoned veterans of the various Stunts races have missed such details. It was awareness that there were subtle differences between the CCC rules and other races, that made me double check these rules.

However, it is what it is.
Like in many other races, it is a chance to adapt and improve further!
(Though I have a replay you may wish to see, that I'll share after the race is over  ;))
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: Daniel3D on December 30, 2023, 01:40:23 PM
Quote from: Spoonboy on December 30, 2023, 12:42:09 PMThis is frustrating, as I've been working hard to improve my (already correctly driven) laps!
I read and understood the rules, which I think are stated clearly. I'm surprised that seasoned veterans of the various Stunts races have missed such details. It was awareness that there were subtle differences between the CCC rules and other races, that made me double check these rules.

However, it is what it is.
Like in many other races, it is a chance to adapt and improve further!
(Though I have a replay you may wish to see, that I'll share after the race is over  ;))
I choose this because it is the less frustrating solution. But I was a bit disappointed to see a base rule forgotten by so many..
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: Spoonboy on December 30, 2023, 03:08:43 PM
Me too. At least the issue is at the end of the track, and I am happy with the laps I am currently working on.

Really enjoying this track, and the unique challenge of CCC! Comparing all the cars on the same lap is challenging and not something I would normally try.
Only now realising how much I like the Lancia!  ;D
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: alanrotoi on December 30, 2023, 05:33:05 PM
Yeah! Lancia is one of my favourites too. I think Porsche 962 would be in the first place.
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: Spoonboy on December 30, 2023, 08:04:43 PM
Quote from: alanrotoi on December 30, 2023, 05:33:05 PMYeah! Lancia is one of my favourites too. I think Porsche 962 would be in the first place.

@alanrotoi I like the P962/JAG too.
Speed and style - just like the F40! Hint hint for 2024 races...😉
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: Daniel3D on January 01, 2024, 02:58:56 PM
Hi guys,

The CCC site is still in development. And for the current race some changes are implemented.
Duplode is working on new scoreboard features and I wanted to share the progress with you.

The site was updated during the switch of the year.
You can now see:
Who has the best times per car (highlights behind the players)
And adjusted lap times according modification discussed in This topic (https://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=4142.0)
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: Duplode on January 01, 2024, 08:47:05 PM
A few words on the adjusted lap times: as Daniel mentioned, we're using the Magic Lamp percentages (https://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=4142.0) for PG cars. For the other cars, the values have been estimated using past ZakStunts races (https://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?msg=88021):

LM02    30
PC04    25
COUN    23
LANC    20
AUDI    18
JAGU    1
P962    0

There is no pretense of these being the definitive values for a set of balanced bonuses. We'll hopefully get to refine them over time with further experiments and analysis, and giving them visibility on a real scoreboard might well help with that.
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: Mark Nailwood on January 02, 2024, 05:06:04 PM
I'm fine with the modified rules for this race. As @Cas mentioned, the issue is at the very end of the lap, and it's easy for the ones who followed the original rule to post an updated replay that should automatically replace the previous one.

Quote from: Erik Barros on December 27, 2023, 06:10:48 PMHey @Mark Nailwood , thanks for the warning, in fact I checked @Duplode replay yesterday and noticed that he slowed down at the finish line, I thought it was strange and went to confirm the rules. I have already participated in previous editions and never paid attention to passing through the banner, if there were valid laps it was due to pure luck. You did very good laps with all the cars, what did you think of this version of the modified cars? @Daniel3D did a great job with this pack.
@Erik Barros - Yes, I really like the driving experience with these cars, and I would not even be able to tell you which is my favourite one. Well, for me in my early Stunts days, it was fun to discover the PG "feature" and the things that it made possible (wide jumps, driving over grass and water, ...). And I will never call it a "bug", as there are so many other "not so realistic" driving effects which contribute to the magic of this game ;D . But in a contest like this, it's completely fine for me to have it disabled, unless there is a track specifically created for PG cars where PG would be obviously needed for passing certain segments.
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: Spoonboy on January 08, 2024, 02:23:20 PM
What an epic race!
Really enjoyed the format and the track. Having to get perfect laps with 12 different cars was the biggest Stunts challenge I've yet undertaken. I learnt a lot about these cars.
Thanks to @Daniel3D for the race, to @alanrotoi for the great track, and to all the competitors. Congrats to @Mark Nailwood and @Erik Barros!
Looking forward to more CCC action in the future.
I'm exhausted!  ;)  :P
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: Mark Nailwood on January 08, 2024, 04:52:44 PM
Thanks @Spoonboy, and congrats for your fastest lap of all with the Indy. 8)
Of course, also congrats to @Erik Barros for the second place on the podium. When looking at your constant performance on ZakStunts during the 2023 season, I think you will also easily keep the lead on the amateur board in 2024. :)

This race was my first participation in the CCC contest, and for me it was a great way of re-learning some of my skills from more than 2 decades ago with the fast cars. Maybe I will not have so much for perfecting my replays in the next CCC races, but I'll definitely take part in these, and also on ZakStunts, of course. Looking forward to the new season!
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: alanrotoi on January 08, 2024, 11:38:31 PM
What an epic race! This Christmas Special was well spotted by Daniel3D just after our Stunts Community's "Champions League" (ZakStunts) season 2023 ended. It was special because Daniel
"fixed" all the original cars taking away the possibility of reaching Power Gear wich is a bug according to the lead programmer of Stunts, Kevin Pickell (what a fortuitous and happy bug, by the way!). Anyway this time Daniel worked hard in every original car to take us to the Elseworld without Power Gear. He also fixed the Anti-PG effect that Lamborghini Countach had.

Once all the cars normalized we had a race in the track Kevin!! The rules were the same as always but one of them we all forgot until Mark Nailwood noticed that: The finish line is also a checkpoint. His Stunts Legend status allowed him to see what the rest didn't. After several
replays sent without this rule Daniel decided to relax and make a Christmas exeption: fly over the finish is tolerated...

The race was very busy, in fact at least 126 laps were performed by 7 pipsqueaks. Mark Nailwood took the lead with all cars leaving behind names like Duplode, Erik Barros, Cas, Spoonboy, Alan Rotoi and Shoegazing Leo. The last 24 hours of the event were the busiest: "more than 50 replays" said astonished Daniel. He found in the inbox more replays from Mark Naiwood and from Duplode but also from Spoonboy who took the lead of the entire race with the Porsche March INDY that allowed him to obtain the Bronze! But Mark Nailwood won the race because he led the race with more cars: Jaguar, Ferrari GTO, Audi, Acura and Porsche Carrera. What a streak!! Erik Barros reached the
second place with the best lap of Lamborghini Countach (happily without anti-pg), Duplode led with Porsche 962 and Lancia and Alan Rotoi led the Lamborghini LM-002 list. Cas and Leo obtained the same points but the Brazilian raced with all the cars, just like the top 3.

The success of this event shows there is room for a second season in Custom Cars Championship.
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: Spoonboy on January 09, 2024, 12:13:46 AM
Quote from: alanrotoi on January 08, 2024, 11:38:31 PMThe rules were the same as always but one of them we all forgot until Mark Nailwood noticed that: The finish line is also a checkpoint.

Well, we didn't all forget ;)

Quote from: Mark Nailwood on December 27, 2023, 05:21:43 PMI just checked the fastest replays from all current drivers, and only the ones from @Duplode and @Spoonboy are clearly finishing with passing under the banner.

Great roundup, thanks @alanrotoi!
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: Erik Barros on January 09, 2024, 12:51:05 AM
Thank you for the writeup @alanrotoi, and for the track, the sequence of speedups in the final part was killer.

Thank you @Mark Nailwood, It's an honor to race with you, I got a promotion so I believe you will have a good fight with @Spoonboy this season in the amateur league.

Thank you @Spoonboy, your evolution has been magnificent, it's good to have someone from the same generation of pipsqueaks doing a good job.

Thank you @Daniel3D, was a great race!!
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: Daniel3D on January 09, 2024, 09:38:06 AM
Thank you all.. it unfortunate that I couldn't be more active on the track myself. But I think that you guys did a marvellous job on this event.
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: Duplode on January 09, 2024, 11:45:15 AM
It was a very nice event indeed  :)  Congratulations @Mark Nailwood , @Spoonboy and @Erik Barros ! I'll watch your laps later (well, at least some of them -- 126 replays!!). And thanks @alanrotoi for the race report!
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: Spoonboy on January 09, 2024, 12:25:01 PM
I thought I'd share my favourite solution to the end of the lap. Why go over when you can go around?
I was using it for all fast cars (INDY/P96/JAG) until the rule clarification, as it was much faster than slowing to go under the barrier.
In fact, it was generally only 0.10s slower than the 'over the gate' finish we eventually used.
It required two boosts, one from the island, one from the base of the ramp.
The JAG lap was my top favourite, as it was the only time I remember finishing on two wheels ;-)
Title: Re: Christmas special event | Kevin's Gifts
Post by: Cas on January 09, 2024, 07:55:26 PM
Very good finish!  8)