Hi.
As you may know already, I`m going to modify the pointsystem. I really, really didn`t want to do this during the season, but now I`m totally fed up with the attitude of the pipsqueaks, that I get 2 replays a week, and 20 on the last two days.
So. Consider this as a quick fix, but it`s also important as a test for the upcoming season`s pointing system.
We can choose the main goal:
1. Make sending replays in the middle of the month worth the pipsqueaks.
2. Make sending replays at the end of the month only not worth the pipsqueaks.
I`ll provide 4 solutions, choose one, write here your opinion, or in email. You can also suggest another version. I`ll choose the final version before the last weekend of this month (I have to program it also), so next month`s scoring will be done with the new rules, until the end of the year. Next year is another thing.
I have to tell, that I don`t want to make anyone worse the situation. With every solution someone will be unhappy, but I can`t solve it so, that everyone satisfies. I just want to make the competition more intersting for you all, and for me too.
And one thing I want to ask: please think about these as a member of the community, not as a pipsqueak who wants to win. Thanx.
So, the possiblities:
1. This year everything stays as it is, maybe there`ll be a competition only in the end of the month, and next year`s new ranking system without the average ranking solves the problem hopefully. If you all send replays when you`re donw with it this is the best solution of course.
2. The system counts the days someone is leading the scoreboard, and stores it. At the end of the month the pipsqueak who was there for a longest time gets one bonus point for that month, or maybe the first one two points, the second one 1 point.
PRO: the bonus point gives a reason to challenge during the month.
CONTRA: the gap between the top pipsqueaks and other pipsqueaks gets even bigger than it is now.
3. Every week the actual scoreboard leader gets one bonus point.
PRO: the bonus point gives a reason to challenge.
CONTRA: the gap, and i`m sure I`ll get replays only on sundays, and if someone is on holiday, or can`t play every week has big disadvantages. I don`t recommend this one, but it`s also a possibility.
4. Nothing changs until the 10th day of the month, but after it if you send a new time it gets penalty, +0.05 secs a day. For example a replay sent on the 15th day of the month gets +0.25, +0.55 on the 21th day, a replay sent on the last day gets +1.00 sec.
PRO: you have to send your best time as early as you can, because later it gets worse and worse. But this only applies for the top pipsqueaks, because 1sec is a LOT of time for the pro`s (2-3 places maybe), but it`s not such a big difference for a newbie (no place change), who for example has time to play only once a month.
CONTRA: it may happen that not the best time wins, if sent too late. Also the pipsqueaks who have not so much time to play have disadvantage, but they have it with all the other solutions.
I suggest the 4th version, but of course we`ll use the one that the most of you like.
Zak
Second or fourth one is fine for me.
1. Pointsystem need to change as quick as possible. Maybe it's off-topic: I think that ranking must be based on your points (not on SUM, like now it is). E.g., I and Alain have more points than Zak, but due to race number we are behind him There are other minor disadvantages about this point system.
2. I like it And the points gap between leader and other pipsqueaks isn't so bad ('cause now to be 1st in track isn't so important due to small gap between places, and in real life racing is 4pts difference between 1st and 2nd place).
3. Yes, I agree, this possibility is not needed, if you can to do 2nd possibility
4. No, don't do this!!! I would choose better 1st possibility, not this! Then won't be any motivations for me to improve time a few secs or few miliseconds. Then won't be such emotions like was on ZCT Plus 2: the War of Miliseconds. Eh, nostalgy.
So, my choise would be 2nd possibility.
SUM and this whole average ranking thing will fly away with new year`s eve, so just prepare for a hard race.
If you and Alain can keep this form, you`ll leave me on the scoreboard with this system also.
I don`t like it either. It was necessary, because last year there were around 6-7 active every-month pipsqueaks only. Time has passed this system.
Zak
I would recommend the second possibility. The first and the third are also a good solution, but the fourth one is disgusting and very unreal, I would ignore it. Zak! At the end of the month you'll feel the same thing like as at the beginning of the month with today's rules. And still no solution to the problem that it's better not to send your weak time. That's why I would wait until the last minute if I had a weak time. (Usrin s*cked on ZCT 16 with that.) But it's my opinion. So guys, decide it together.
I think the best solution is 1st, but if nobody sends replays is impossible to have fun. So the "less-worse" solution is the 2nd.
I completely agree with Mingva and Akoss.
do something simple, but do it fast... this month...
if its simple u can do it this month.
Like: number of rpls sent count, with the time spent in the first place, because only the ROTOIS dogs will win huge amount of points. every time.
its not a take-it-all-the-munch-in-one-brief-and-violent-movement decision... sure. But it has to be done.
I make a 3:00.00 time for example with staying 1 min before the finish line.
I send the next day 2:59.00
then 2:58.00
and so on, 10 times
on the last day I send in a 0:57.60, and I win.
easy
Zak
I guess he was drunk when he wrote it
P.S. Alain, can you choose one of zak's suggestions?
1st possibility doesn't bring any change for now : useless
2nd possibility is correct, but not very interesting for new drivers like me. I'll never be 1st with this...
3rd and 4th are VERY bad : -->:">
There is another possibility i think...
Everyday, points are allowed like now according to the day classification.
Then, you add all points earned during the month and divide it by the number of days between the 1st replay sent and the last day of the month.
Of course, there will be a few people who will send replay last day : divided by one ==> unfair : -->:"> according to people who sent replays at the beginning of the month.
So, let's say that we MUST send our 1st replay the 15th day of the month maximum.
PLUS : This will allow "slow" drivers like me to earn a few points at the beginning of the month. Top drivers will, of course, lead the end.
But, using this month average ranking would encourage people to send an improvement the sooner possible to try to keep their position (and so their points) in the scoreboard.
CONTRA : the better driver the last day may not be first if another driver stayed more than 10 days at the 1st place and was able to always stay in top five. That's not fair too...
So i thought that we can make an average ranking between the actual one (last day scoreboard counts) and the month average one (without the last day results in this case).
What do you think of this proposition ?
I like it, especially with the average ranking idea.
Altough if we choose one it needs a lot of programming, so please vote fast, pipsqueaks...
Zak
I don't like it I don't like it very much
This will allow "slow" drivers like me to earn a few points at the beginning of the month
Exactly, but if I'm at work till late evening and I can race only in weekend? Or if I want to participate in other competitions? So, it's not very good for me, a little phlegmatic person. By the way, "slow" drivers will be in beginners league next year, I guess
So, let's say that we MUST send our 1st replay the 15th day of the month maximum
Mybe better to do weekly competition? Then Zak will receive more than 10 rpls per week
I'm choosing only 2nd.
Although I don't think I'll ever make it to 1st, the second option definitely seems the better one to me. I don't really care if the gap between the pro's and the newbies (like myself) is bigger, because at least there'll be more competition between the top pipsqueaks! And that is cool
So with option 2 , replays at the last day would end for sure, so that's my vote.
Cya on the scoreboard
I think Krys's idea is very dubious. First of all, it just means that instead of one monthly competition, we have 30 daily competitions. Second of all, it means you have to give up the brilliant new point system for a new and even more complicated nonsense point system. I still believe #1 and #2 are the only possibilities that won't completely destroy the competition. And is it really that bad that you get extra points for being first? Isn't it okay that there is a big gap between top drivers and beginners? It would be great if we could just race like before Alain...
Voted 8 pipsqueaks. Results are:
1. Stays as it is - 2
2. Most days leading - 7
3. Leader gets 1pt/week - 0
4. After 10th day time with penalty - 2
Note: 3 pipsqueaks voted for two possibilities.
We need more votes
I vote for the 2nd solution. But I've a question: what will happen if the scoreboard isn't updated for some days? For example: on the 1st day of the month, I send the best replay. On the 2nd day, CTG sends a better one, but the next update is on 5th. So I lead the scoreboard for 4 days, and CTG is very angry. Zak, if you want to count the days using the dates of our emails, it's OK, and I said nothing. But if this problem is real, I think the 3rd solution would be better... (Yes, I see that it's not too popular.) The 4th is nonsense: I don't want to see a race where the fastest pipsqueak doesn't win, only because he sent his fast lap too late.
Nobody thought maybe is better two competitions per month? For example in October the first 15 days zct18, and from 15 october to 31 zct19...
I don't like it, but is a solution.
TWO! (2nd choice). . But it would be even better when the bonus points wouldnt be given to only the the first one, but to the first 5. Or is that too difficult?
OK, almost all people liked the second solution, so I guess we`ll choose that one.
Usrin: of course it`s counted on a daily basis, by paper&pen with my hands, not an automated script. It`s much easier this way.
So the next question is what Ben mentioned, and also I mentioned it in the chat in the beginning.
Only the first +1 point, or more?
Take in consideration, that we CAN`T give more than two points, because then who play good in october-november-december have much advantage compared to those who were good in january-september.
So, my versions:
1. the first (most on the top)gets +1
2. first +2, second (second most time on top) +1
3. first three: +2/+1/+0.5
4. first four: +1/+0.75/+0.5/+0.25
5. first three: +1/+0.5/+0.25
or any combination/version should do.
vote pls. I think the 5th is the most fair.
Zak
I aggree with Zak : 2nd solution and 5th method of bonus points is the best compromise.
But i still think that an average ranking during the month can be interesting.
I'm choosing 1st variation. But if most votes would get 5th I wouldn't very upset or angry
first 3 is also OK. and we have to keep thinking about Zak too. so option 2.5 is fine by me
zak: thumbsup!!
2.1 or 2.4 or 2.5 I think.
I think +2 points are too much.
We should have this modification in the ISA Competition, too.
What are you talking about??? 2.1? 8.3??
I think ISA rules won't change until next year. By the way, in ISA championship isn't such situation with "last day replays"
yet.
It's a problem with the points-system.
Here is my suggestion (Sailors use a similar system):
A race will last for 28 days and will always start on the first. If the month has more days (all except february )
these days will be held free for the site-admins. They can update the site then and have not to hurry too much.
We will split the 28 days in 4 periods (call it weeks if you like )
After each period we will have a result:
I will demonstrate you an example with 5 pipsqueaks to make this system more clear:
1. Period:
1 Roy
2 Zak
3 PII
4 J23
5 CTG
Roy gets 1 point, Zak 2, PII 3, Juank 4, CTG 5.
As you see the position of the drivers will be noticed as points. So points are bad!
After each period we have to modify the track a bit (put a new tree somewhere), so the drivers cannot send the same replay.
Further results:
2.Period: 1-Roy 2-PII 3-J23 4-Zak 5-CTG
3.Period: 1-Zak 2-J23 3-Roy 4-PII 5-J23
4.Period: 1-Roy 2-Zak 3-PII 4-CTG 5-J23
The best 3 results of this 4 periods would count for each driver. So this would be the final result:
1-Roy 3 (1-1-[3]-1)
2-Zak 5 (2-[4]-1-2)
3-PII 8 (3-2-[4]-3)
4-J23 9 (4-3-2-[5])
5-CTG 14 ([5]-5-5-4)
Point-system for the championship would be freely chooseable.
For example (I like it)[I think Zak wanted it for 2003]:
20-16-14-12-10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1
Maybe you will ask:
What if one driver drives just in periods and not in 3 (you need at least 3) or 4???
Then he gets ranked worser than the last ones of each period he didn't race. If he for example starts racing in the 3rd Period, and 15 pipsqueaks were driving in the first period and 17 in the second, he gets ranked 16th in the 1.P. and 18th in the 2.P.
What if two or more drivers start racing in a later period, will they both for example get ranked as 16th?
No, the pipsqueak who joins the race first would get ranked better than a pipsqueak who joins later. If for example J23 starts racing in the 2 P. and CTG too, but later than J23, J23 gets ranked before CTG in the 1.P.
So you should race at least in 3 of 4 periods to have a good result.
What do you think of this system?
No, I don't like this suggestion. Then would be almost 4 different tracks, and u'll must race every week if u'll want to win. But sometimes we haven't so much time for playing Stunts, and our last day replay brings victory to us
It's better 1 or 2 pts for the best performance during the month.
ask the person sex. If its a girl, give her the points, if not, dont @#%$ him.
it would be simpler to keep things as they are. Lets send times on the last day. Modern knights will still send their times soon and fight others. Lets think about simple things. I am disturbed by the idea of sending rpls and rpls. Just because sending more rpls dont make fast rpls. Its the opposite. Every of us think like that: the more i drive, the faster i get. If i drive fast without making the other know my time and make them beat me its my problem.
Beware of closing everything, prohibiting people to enjoy playing. And dont say it make people reluctant to play to be beaten. Because former-beaten-on-the-quiet-days-pipsqueaks make winning pipsqueaks on the next month.
Stop sailing hundred miles away and think: what is the point of making so complicate rules for nothing, no money at all, no bumper girl in your bed in the end. I don't want to change the rules in 2k3. sleep on it. the best rule is to keep ur rpls in your ass and do the plane.
I thought that drivers will see a time problem in the sailor-system. During I worked on the system I knew that it will fill up the drivers calendar too much, but I didn't find a solution. First I thought the system should just contain 3 periods, but then it's not really attractive. If we expand the periods to 2 weeks, we would have too less races in a year.
Maybe a brain will find a solution, if not I vote for Zaks system #2.
I agree with Alain (!!!) that some of the systems proposed here are way too complicated. I love Zak's 20-16-12-10-8-7... points system, but since many people think that last day replays is a problem, something must be done about it. I'll think.... maybe we can make a board (Zak and a few others) that decides if someone is too "last-dayish" and then gives warnings and action? Maybe not...
Hi!
October came, and I have to choose something.
According to your votes, I chosse 2nd system, 5th variation. I updated ther rules page (altough if you read it for the first time it's not so clean, but I'll correct), and you could already see that little box below the scoreboard. Hope this system is fair enough (of course it has some weak points), and it gives you more motivation to race.
I welcome any other suggestions here, it's not final, just a testphase.
Zak