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After such posts like
http://stunts.mine.nu/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6843 and
http://stunts.mine.nu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=783,
I decided to create this Zak's Trustmeter :lol:

its easier to do that with me. i always tell nonsense and its contrary

thats why some idiots dont like me

I choose 'almost'. I would have chosen not very much if the question was Mingva is fair or not...

Bagoly mondja ver?bnek, hogy nagyfej?.

QuoteI would have chosen not very much if the question was Mingva is fair or not...

I believe :x But if you'd know me better then you'd choose "NO WAY" :lol:

Topics like this one suck!  :evil:

no: trust is one of the things you need to renew regularly in a democratic organization to avoid the total lose of trust that means revolution is coming again.

this kind of post try to enlight the point of view from where the manager of this competition is not honest, is evil, is untrustful, regarding the results, the rpls, the root of our competition, the most saint thing that make us breath everyday.

putting this (the key element) in danger makes us more conscient of why we still gather around the center. hence defining a circle of freedom within this otakist slavery of stunts.

borders are moving around the empire, and the empire is still strong on its true basements.

But after all Zak has done for us, don't you think it's just a little ungrateful to start questioning his truthfulness like that? After all he has never done anything which gives us a reason not to trust him (which is no wonder, seeing as how he is the most trustworthy person on the face of planet Earth...)

Trust in Zak cannot be measured in a poll. It can be measured in stupidity. Multiply the percentage in your vote by 1.5 and you have approximately your IQ level...

Hello, BonzaiJoe. I see, you're new in our community and haven't time yet to read some previous topics :P Especially for you, I'll write current situation:
1) after ZCT23 dual-way track, Zak wrote: one thing is sure: NO MORE DUAL-WAY TRACKS. But if you raced on ZCT29, you should notice that this track is DUAL-WAY;
2) Zak said, he doesn't watch rpls during month except it's a super duper time. But he watched Usrin's rpl although the time isn't fantastic.

So, I think every person whos IQ is a bit more than level of idiot, should be concerned about trust in Zak. Of course, I respect Zak and don't want to insult him, but changing mind without comments and good arguments is something disgusting to me :|

But does it really worry you? If Zak was secretly watching replays while kidding us to believe he didn't, just to cheat us all, he wouldn't tell the whole forum about it.
About ZCT29, not everyone keeps track of what they said half a year ago. If you're unhappy that ZCT29 is dual-way, say that instead of making a poll like this. You can't say it's a mistake if someone forgets a sentence they've said, but that does not make him untrustworthy. Nobody has even reminded him before now!
I happen to be the only one in the community who knows Zak, and so, the only one in the community who knows the answer to this question.

The question is: Is it relevant for anything? The dual way track thing is out of my reach, as i wasn't participating then, but i understood it so, that the tracked was badly designed and therefore this statement was made. ZCT29 is ok with me, though it's a bit power gear. Changing opinion about track design - i guess it can happen :)
And the rpl-watching - i was assuming that each and every contest - manager or what ever it may be called has to watch replays in one way or the other. If he/she uses this to gain advantage - i really and absolutely don't care. It's a thing for the conscience of the regarding person. But that is a "risk" one simply has to live with - after all, such a contest is work. And it's for free and just for fun. This isn't politics as Alain suggested ;) i guess one can't vote against Zak/Mingva/Alan/JTK and take him his site and put someone else in charge ;)

I really appreciate, that all of you put the efforts in making such a contest possible. And if someone abuses his/her power to get better results (which i still don't believe and for which there is AFAIK no evidence so far) i would see it as some kind of compensation for his efforts. ;)

so long, satanziege

questioning the rules is asking for more freedom in a tangent way. my two favorite sports are american football and civilization: ruling without mercy chessboards featuring living (and dying) pawns

QuoteI happen to be the only one in the community who knows Zak, and so, the only one in the community who knows the answer to this question.

That's false.
I know him too.
And I think he is fair play by 200%.

About "no more dual way tracks", I"m sure Zak wrote it when he was angry and after he forgot.

Okay okay, you have an IQ of 300 Krys ;) - it just seemed more powerful when I said "only"...

But obviously, you'll see that those who know Zak and who know how trustworthy he is, know that this thread was absurd from the very beginning.

I could also add this:
Stunts (as all games) is made to have fun. It's unbelievable that such oldie still have fan(atic)s and on-line competitions. So, try to watch with fun to my Trustmeter too (if somebody don't like such posts). Besides, it's a good poll to Zak: he'll know how we trust in him :!: At the moment, isn't so bad :mrgreen: As I wrote earlier, I'm respecting Zak. So, don't blame me for my post :P

P.S. We're living in a democratic world, where is freedom of word :lol:

Bonzai Joe:
OOT (out of topic) :
Don't you think you are overextending the IQ sentences a bit?
I mean on the old forum I tried to start reasonable discussions and had reasonable arguments but when I got unreasonable answers I was becoming a bit unreasonable myself concluding that the other forum participants weren't reasonable enought to have a high IQ.

We have 4 persons here -claiming- to belong to the (top 5%) 'smartest' people of the world:BJ,Zak,Arg,Akoss and considering this is a racing game site with approximatly 20 active users math tells me we should only have 1 person from the 5% group here.

Now we could start doing statistics (how do I love that matter *grin*)
and wonder if this a 'normal' deviation or how much it's likely all 4 persons are telling the truth.

Another factor to be considered would be if 'racing' games are usually played by smart people.I would cleary say :No more smart's here than average ;) but maybe stunts is different ?
As I can't include such thoughts in my math and don't want to waste my precious time setting up real statistical evidence I just did 'quick math'
and found out that:

It's about 94% likely that one of those 4 ppl are lying and only 6% likely that all 4 are telling the truth!

QuoteIt's about 94% likely that one of those 4 ppl are lying and only 6% likely that all 4 are telling the truth

:shock:

one:

statistics are lying, used by a bad psychohistorian.

we can measure intelligence to the results a body has in the real world, your result was false, you are not intelligent.

two:

intelligence gets higher home than a single brain, and a single person. telling somebody he is a dumb person, can result in changing the opinion a third person will have of both of them. human intelligence is spread in a bigger level than individuality. And it needs individuals to define her limits. Limits that, constitutively, are shaking everyday.  it is speaking each other. connecting with others intelligence is building a peer to peer network. this forum is building a stunts peer to peer. human standard bodies make plural individuals and those individualities make a human plural sense. the meaning of this common sense is to be found in discussion.

three:

law: in the nature, part of a human population that is intelligent is 5%. the percentage you invoked to define the part of a given population that can be superior in intelligence is 5%. I agree with a law that is published, because that makes me as intelligent as everyone who decides to obey to the same law... this law protects my own intelligence, everyone will gather behind laws. In stunts community, its clear to me that these numbers are respected. 5% of us are not superior minded, because we are not a panel of the worlds population. the choice of us was biased by some common obsessions. Do you understand now why we think each other are very interesting people?

You didn't understand my post at all Alain.
Have you seen the irony? Did I consider the fact that we are not randomly gathered people? Yes but for my example (called a 'model') I left that out in order not to make it more complicated than necessary.

Basically my conclusions are exactly the same you got,and you should have been able to read that between the lines.I have about the same thoughts about human intelligence you had but expressed them in a self-ironic way featuring a lot of ;) ;) ;) ;)

I hope you understand me now :)

explaining is the way to gain more overall intelligence for humanity. hiding things? i dont know. it seems not.

Of course my IQ comments were not meant literally, they were just to show how pissed off this topic actually made me. It's always easy to say days later that it was just for fun, but fact is you treated Zak like a newspaper treats a politician, which is not nice.
About the IQ thing, I don't consider it particularly unlikely that 4 of us are among the top 5% here... after all that compromises the whole world, and generally those who use computers, use internet, speak english (or something that resembles english ;)) and play old games are generally more intelligent. Yes, old games make you more intelligent because it shows that you are able to choose what you like instead of just playing what's hip or new or just buying a new game every week to kill the boredom you feel because you're to dumb to think of something to do.

Quote from: "BonzaiJoe"It's always easy to say days later that it was just for fun, but fact is you treated Zak like a newspaper treats a politician, which is not nice.

:shock: Did I treated him??? Where??? Show me that post and I'll delete it!!!

About fun: should I tell to you why I added " :lol: " in the 1st post of this topic?

P.S. To the dumbest person with the highest IQ in Stunts community, I'm repeating:
I'm respecting zaqrack
And this topic is made not to treat/insult Zak, but to see how participants trust in him. And another time I'm repeating: at the moment, isn't so bad!

Ignore this message if you can

Treat, not threaten... I will try to calm down.

some of the things used by bonzaijoe to distinguish the IQs of stunts pipsqueaks from others is funny, and not true.

ok, it seems a natural thing that an oldy player is intelligent, because playing oldies at high level seems to mean:

use a computer,
use internet,
use english,
use old operating systems,
use them well.

ok

but using something only means to understand how it works.

lots of people dont use computers, and are constitutively more intelligent
lots of people dont use internet, and are by this meaning more intelligent
lots of people dont use english, and are WAYS lotsuva more intelligent
lots of people just never used old operating systems and...
well,

Nowadays every people use a computer: they click on a mouse!
nowadays every people use internet: they got wrapped up by media!
nowadays lots of people use english: this language is so easy to know!
nowadays lots of people use old operating systems: they are poor.
well...

this debate on intelligence is polluted by other things this crazy, crazy and post modern world copied from america

there is a world without the use and abuse of old or new computers, no mama didnt download me, and no i wont click on my friends to talk to them in real life.

they say the new media contains all the previous ones: the sound is contained by the letter, the letter by book, the book by computer... but mastering (using) a computer doesnt mean mastering intelligence. media are not the mens intelligence, intelligence is not the mans brain. its somewhere else.

but the strong hand of the empire wraps us all and only few can open their eyes to the lie that tells computer and english users are meant to feel superior...

"i'm deep inside your children, they ll betray you in my name" zak de la rocha, sleep now in the fire, RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE album

The government functions like a machine, oblivious to reason, oblivious to the pain and suffering they have caused...We've got to Rage Against this Machine.

Oh, kids, come on! Everybody cool down please!

Maybe i can explain what I meant when I wrote

Quote from: "JTK"Topics like this one suck!  :evil:

If I read a poll about ME like this I would have felt insulted and would not think of fun at all. May be the better poll would have been: "What do you think about Zak's handling his contest" or something like that, a question which refers to his deeds not his personality. That's all. I think we should close this topic and return to racing, shouldn't we?  :)

QuoteIf I read a poll about ME like this

hmm, it seems JTK don't like critics  :P

Well I'm not saying it's a huge challenge to use a computer, but it seems that generally people who use computers are more intelligent because less intelligent people would be too easily bored from looking at a screen. It takes some strength of imagination and insight to understand what's behind it all. You haven't argued against my old games argument, which I'm of course very pleased with.
?ou are quite right that you don't have to use the "western world"'s medias to be intelligent, but it does go the other way around. If you do, you are slightly intelligent. And again I'm not talking about those who just play Counter Strike or watch porn on the internet.

JTK: Can we please continue? :D We've already (as always) completely forgotten how this discussion began...

oh - sorry, of course!  :lol:  You have my permission  :wink:

long sentences... not for ya

i said that about old games in the old OS part.

and i write it clear now:

using a computer is not a proof of intelligence. the real intelligence is not in an apple computer, it was found in the most famous apple picked up by our most famous dumbest ancestor in history on the most famous tree of our common ancient poetry.

cool! off topic again!!!

Damn right it's not a proof of intelligence, but the whole point is that in great numbers, it makes a statistical likeliness for more intelligence, which is why there may be four people here who are among the top 5% in the world IQ-wise.

the wealthiest is the smartest. Rockfeller.

Zak fucked up all things again :evil: He didn't let any chances to me to battle for leading points as he updated Akoss' time very late :x

It could have been the opposite way also. I cant promise I can update daily, I have some other thigns to do as well.
I feel really sorry, but if you battle for the leading time you shouldnt hide your times, always send the best one. Even if you are leading.

pffff, you really could update one time yesterday. I don't believe you didn't check your mail yesterday :x Then I could have at least a chance to try improve my time. But now... I only can congratulate you for "helping" to my rivals. I'll try to open Stunts during next two days but after z31 nobody will receive rpls from me :( I really lost motivation (and tired) to fight against hungarian mafia.

its sad, but i remember only incidents against orion :)

ssshhhh!!! SSSHHH!! that was the sound of the oil thrown on fire

Sorry but I find you are a bit unfair against Zak here.
If -I- was managing the competition you would proly only see 2 updates per month!

And if you know a page is not updated daily and you want leading time it's really smart not to hide times like Zak said.....

I don't think he is screwing anyone here and you shouldn't be that harsh to him.I would guess he puts a lot of time into mainting this site..........

Just my 'humble' opinion
-Arg

Come on Mingva, what do you ever do but complain? Zak hosts a brilliant php website with daily updates and a great competition for years, and you go crazy when once he updates a time a little later than usually, which may cost you 1 point?

There was an administration bug. A time wasnt updated. Perhaps the administration doesnt care about the race and we will lose pipsqueaks like that.

From the beginning, no one ever told the truth on his time, so its not a time hiding problem porcupine asses.

"-You got drowned because you have not used a dinghy...
-But what is a dinghy? It never rained so much here!"

find some excuse else now.

Please lets leave the leading time on, and leave it for the amateurs... or newbies. That can be fun for them.

oh skid, i thought with my ass, again.

QuoteIf -I- was managing the competition you would proly only see 2 updates per month!

But watch to http://indyracing.tk - I'm updating scoreboard the same day I'm getting rpl! And I have to devote even more time for this than Zak: I must to watch -all- rpl to see if it is valid, then change results page and write the time for scrolling status bar too. But Zak needs only to know time with rplinfo and just write that time in scoreboard. He even don't need to open any ftp client or wait while it connect to server (as Zak hosting everything from his PC)!!!
You think I live only for Stunts? No, I also have my own life: going to work, watching TV, etc. But if you're managing competition, you should do it smoothly! And if you haven't time for updating, then do like Leo: let us know when you're planning to add scores.

Quoteyou go crazy when once he updates a time a little later than usually

YES!!! Because with update in time (the same day Zak got rpl from Akoss) I could try to rerace, and maybe I could improve my time 0.1 sec. And the most important... ALAIN ALSO COULD SEND (if he had) BETTER TIME THAN AKOSS (in that case with Alain's help Akoss would collect less leading hours).
That could be a great team work but Zak pissed on it :(

Well, Zak created this leading time system to avoid people hiding their times.
So, to be sure not have this problem, always send your best time.
And never wait for anyone that beat your time to try to improve.
And when Zak was away for more than 2 weeks this summer, did anyone said "Hey I dunno who is leading, I want updates !!!" ? No. Daily updates are a bonus for leading time fight, but not a necessity.
Just my (humble) opinion as Argy said.

I know you can be angry because you lost one point, but remember it's just a game. You won't earn or loose anything because of one point more or one point less.
Stunts is a funny game. I like to win but I'll race even if I don't win any race, just because I like this game.

Zak does a great job and his site is more than efficient. Don't blame him just because one day he didn't updated scoreboard.

If you wanted teamwork, you should have calculated when you'll have more hours than Akoss and then tell Alain or Argy (if they have better time than yours :roll: ) to send their replay the hour after, just to be sure Akoss don't have more leading time. No ?

Sorry Krys, but I totally disagree :| For me Stunts is shitty game and I'm here just because of competiton. But now I'm trying to stop this Stunts stupidity.

K I N D E R G A R D E N #3!

But Zak, I also got mails and reactions like these in my former contest and that's why I decided this season not to update the scoreboard in the last three days...

So Mingva, don't be a mad loser although you aren't a loser at all but a second winner! Don't swear at Zak like this! Go for a powerwalk or water polo, that'll cool down at least.  :twisted:

Yeah, good suggestion :)  I'm pissing off from Stunts.
Ouch, how many interesting books I missed due to this Stunts madness! OK, rushing to book shop. Bye :oops:

You want competition without update problems ?
Race competitions where there's no leading points.
Race only Live Races.

Or race other games where everyone is racing at the same time (like Live For Speed you used to play when it was free) if you think Stunts SO shitty... :roll:

If you wanted to be a leader in Zak's comp, or at least a challenging competitor, you would have raced all tracks instead of making a break 2 months like you did. You missed more than one point these months. And Orion Team missed these points too.
So don't get that mad now for one point. :evil:

This post is useless, Zak isn't making difference between pipsqueaks.
That's for my opinion.
I won't post in this topic anymore, this is too childish.

the problem is harder to explain than it seems. missing one point, we dont care, a failure like that is serious. it can just destroy a regular pipsqueak hunger for race... done.

and most of us are stupid not to hide their times now :) lets play like akoss the invisible man

You got it, Krys :)

YES, I'm racing LFS!!!
YES, I'm leaving Orion!!!
YES, I'm a laser guided superstar (as sings Jas Mann) :D

Oh well it's sad to hear that. I won't take part in the discussion I only hope you'll be back :) :(

Mingva:
Stop crying about that please.You should-never- rely upon a scoreboard and your behaviour (mingva) was just not smart.
Why?Krys and others mentioned!

And now your childish behaviour 'Oh this is just a shitty game' I only drive for competition and all that cheese!Think it over and come back to common sense.Thanks.

First: Stunts is just a game.

Second: Akoss Poo is to blame? No, he just sent a rpl in time, hoping Zak won't update or Mings not send a new time.
Zak is to blame? He can't update in each minute, he is human like you Mingva! And your time was put into the scoreboard not in the first moment to say the least, too.
So it is only Mingva to blame that he hasn't sent a better time if he needed ltb desperately.

Third: Krys is right, you lost more points by not racing in some previous tracks.

...and Fourth: piss off, Akoss :P

OK OK, I'm just kidding a bit. Now serious:

First: at least I asked in forum why Zak didn't update my result (not like you: hoping Zak won't update in time).

Second: I'm not a human. I'm... Terminator. I thought the same about Zak. Sorry, I was wrong :)

Third: I hadn't better time than yours, so I could hope only the help from team mates.

Fourth: I didn't lost any points because worse 2 results don't count. In summer my skills were low. So, I would have bad results which anyway would be not counted!

- - - - -
edit: changed smiles  :wink:

You are so cruel in all of the forums. Cool down! You can trust in Zak and trust in Akoss Poo, what's more trust in CTG. Let's trust in everybody! Ya and have a joint.  8)

Thanks, CTG! Those were the wisest words I hear for a long time in the forum.

And about the joint - let's have one together next year in Budapest. :)

Is Zak really untrustful or he just did a big nonsense again? Why pointsystem was changed without any note here, on the forum? I cann't understand it  :?

I knew about that... Zak told me the idea on MSN yesterday. Why is it a problem for you, Mingva? Critics make an orgasm for you? Or is it your hobby? Come back, race - we will accept some critics. But if you are an outsider then why to pollute the community with this shit? I can't understand you...  :?

CTG> I'm member of Orion team, so I think, I can tell my opinion as well  :!:

But you are not racing -> not involved anymore?

Quote from: "Argammon"But you are not racing -> not involved anymore?

Yeah? And what? I never heard M.Schumacher visited Bernie or Mosley to discuss about F1 rules. Team principal goes there. So I, as team manager, can also express my opinion. Or I'm wrong? Maybe it's a closed contest now?

This is not F1 and you are not Jean Todt (Paul Stoddart... hehehhe...). Your opinion is a big ZERO - I think everybody accepted Zak's decision. You are only the loud minority. Shut up, take a girl- or boyfriend depending on your "direction" and use your energy for sex instead of arguements... :P

Well, CTG's post just above sounds quite childish IMHO  :P

As I told you several times: shut up!