this is the good choice.
And as a present you race another race for him! *EG*
Dipshit!
LOL :D
defeat... the bad religion :) *EG*
PLEASE POST UNDER YOUR NAME, COWARGAMMOND :)
"And as a present you race another race for him!"
well, that make me remember that on z24, you told me to play and continue on your replay... of course, i tried to make you understand its not very honest to do that, but you didnt seem to underdstand...
next bomb?
ALain you are really a toy car fighter dressed in brown shit sauce.
You have no idea who that guest was neither do I.
But I agree on one thing: You are really a dipshit. :)
And about z24 you asked me to finish your rpl because you could not 'copy' my replay though you had my rpl for days.
:) :) :) :) :)
L-O-O-S-E-R
"And about z24 you asked me to finish your rpl because you could not 'copy' my replay though you had my rpl for days."
you are evil, argammon! At first, i didnt want to show a logged chat, but... well, you lie, and i can prove it for sure :)
its a lie... not only because i say it is a lie, like you always do, but because on that occasion, the chat was logged :) (wotan is me.)
Session Start (irc.inet.tele.dk:Argammon): Sat Apr 12 21:07:49 2003
<Argammon> hi
<o_Wotan_o> yes
<Argammon> will you enter again?
<o_Wotan_o> yes
<Argammon> when?
<o_Wotan_o> now
<Argammon> Oh got a good time yet?
<o_Wotan_o> 1.12
<Argammon> good enough ;) please send it in
<o_Wotan_o> i must do better
<Argammon> Check my replay.. it should help you
<o_Wotan_o> u helped a lot :)
<o_Wotan_o> but i need to beat CTG
<Argammon> I think I can drive 1.08.xx on this track
<Argammon> maybe like 1.08.60
<o_Wotan_o> im happy
<Argammon> The first part with the long corner is my strong point :)
<o_Wotan_o> because u will smash their times
<Argammon> can you accept dcc?
<o_Wotan_o> yeah, the long corner is the best part of this track
<o_Wotan_o> have u sent something?
-Argammon- DCC Send Argzk24c.rpl (80.142.54.85)
<Argammon> it's an old replay I did not send to zak yet
<o_Wotan_o> arg
<o_Wotan_o> retry
-Argammon- DCC Send Argzk24c.rpl (80.142.54.85)
<o_Wotan_o> it will work on FSC
<o_Wotan_o> or by email
<Argammon> ok e-mail :)
<Argammon> it's only a 1.09.xx time though
<Argammon> but as I said it's very old ;) had to take a break from driving
<Argammon> I'll drive again next week
<Argammon> ok e-mail sent
<Argammon> got it?
<Argammon> btw I got an idea..........
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<Argammon> hey......
<Argammon> got an idea
<o_Wotan_o> which?
<Argammon> want to come back to zakstunts with 3 !!! ?
<o_Wotan_o> 3 what?
<Argammon> I don't know how to call it in french
<o_Wotan_o> points?
<Argammon> how do you say if someone who was gone comes back with a very good result?
<o_Wotan_o> u say a come back
<o_Wotan_o> :D
<Argammon> well if you want to get some leading points or sth
<Argammon> you can send in the time I send in as yours
<Argammon> I think it's new from scratch
<Argammon> IE not the same as my replay on any part
<Argammon> but if you want to be sure better compare
<o_Wotan_o> :) u are kind but... never :)
<Argammon> as it is old
<Argammon> why not ;)
<o_Wotan_o> but its very kind :)
<Argammon> I already got 2 leading points
<Argammon> you could use the remaining point :)
<o_Wotan_o> ah ah
<o_Wotan_o> the stunts mafia
<o_Wotan_o> cool
<Argammon> want to do it? ;)
<Argammon> Bonzai is helping our opponents so why not LOL
<Argammon> as long as noone besides orion knows
<o_Wotan_o> once i had occasion to help krys doing a trick...
<o_Wotan_o> instead of him
<o_Wotan_o> but i replied to him: u must do it yourself :)
<Argammon> Ok here is the deal:
<o_Wotan_o> i know for some in other teams, there arent no rules but i like when its fair
<Argammon> to save time you send in my replay and then you try to do the same time yourself
<Argammon> proving you can do it
<Argammon> it would only save you time ;)
<o_Wotan_o> u are tempting me :D
<Argammon> should be fair :)
<Argammon> especially bc you were not driving while the war was going on
<Argammon> you lost a lot of time against the other drivers
<Argammon> w/o the fuckin war you would already have 1.09.65 yourself ;)
<o_Wotan_o> sure :) but it smells bad for me. i never cheated (as i remember)
<o_Wotan_o> :D
<o_Wotan_o> dont worry i will be back in pro anyway
<Argammon> it's not really cheating if you manage to drive the same time until the end of the month :)
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Session Close (Argammon): Sat Apr 12 22:53:57 2003
beware of that man, that man is lying... admin, please show us the IP of who wrote as a guest, insulting me as "dipshit" ^^ make my day...
I have dynamic IP so forget the IP issue,you won't prove anything.
And about that lovely nice chat:
I red over it and from what I remember it looks like you took 90% of our chat and added/changed the remaining 10% to make me look bad.
So you think instead of just throwing sensless insults my way you think you can insult me in a smarter way now?I think I already mentioned on the forum that I had a hd crash few month ago and thus my irc logs from the time around Z24 are vanished so I can't post them to contradict your edited log but I guess you remembered the HD crash to take advantage of me not being able to post the real log.
But what I still have is a discussion where you told me you drove for myron in order to get more points for the team.Will I post it?Not yet as you would deny it anyways.
Mingva asked me several times to drive for him and I kiddingly asked him if he wants me to finish his z29 replay and he said yes.But I never actually done that.In another chat Alain told me he hexedited parts of his replays because it would make bridge jumps and the likes easier.
And then we have Alain saying he helped Mingva by driving the hill trick on z31.If you want we can carry all that dirt on the table.
And in the same occasion I 'lie' in 5 occasions you already lied in 500.Keep that in mind.
QuoteMingva asked me several times to drive for him
WHAT ??? :shock: I never asked such things :!: Every Orion member can witness that. Neither I offered nor I asked to finish/start rpl for other.
Quoteand I kiddingly asked him if he wants me to finish his z29 replay and he said yes.
Yes, you asked me. But I refused!
QuoteAnd then we have Alain saying he helped Mingva by driving the hill trick on z31.
You mean that 90deg turn before boulevard? pfff, then you're misrepresenting facts. Yes, Alain gave to me some suggestions how to do it, but he didn't drive my rpl. Z31 rpl (as all others) was did by me, and I'm proud of its great time. Although with more help from Argy it could be much better :? Anyway, if you'd watch more carefully my and Al's rpl, you could notice a totally different replays from me and Alain :P
P.S. Stop to defame your former team. It won't give more respect to you :x
It all sounds very interesting... maybe now is the time to admit the only time I've "cheated" in Stunts. In 2002, I made a secret alliance with Roy Wiegerinck, and From Tracks ZCT11 to ZCT+1, we exchanged replays and shortcuts. This also means that Roy's famous ZCT+1 replay is actually a copy of mine. I did mine early in the month, sent it to Roy, Zak and Intercontinental Racing, then went to China for a long time, and at the end of month Roy took my replay and improved it a bit.
The secret team helped me very much in ZCT12 and ZCT14, where I would have done much worse without Roy. In ZCT11 and ZCT+1, Roy wouldn't have won without me, and in ZCT13, he wouldn't have finished second without me. So there you go. Apart from that, I have never cheated, or even considered cheating in Stunts.
i read many innacceptable things on this thread...
1st inacceptable thing: argammon is pathetic and pathetic...
I have dynamic IP so forget the IP issue,you won't prove anything.
FIRST LIE DONT CARE DYN IP WE WILL SEE IT WAS YOU
And about that lovely nice chat:
I red over it and from what I remember it looks like you took 90% of our chat and added/changed the remaining 10% to make me look bad.
SECOND LIE NOTHING WAS CHANGED IN MY LOG
I think I already mentioned on the forum that I had a hd crash few month ago and thus my irc logs from the time around Z24 are vanished so I can't post them to contradict your edited log but I guess you remembered the HD crash to take advantage of me not being able to post the real log.
ITS NOT THE THIRD LIE BUT I WANT TO SAY I DONT USE THAT TRICKS SHUT UUUUP SEE THE TRUTH
But what I still have is a discussion where you told me you drove for myron in order to get more points for the team.Will I post it?Not yet as you would deny it anyways.
THIS IS THE THIRD LIE POST THAT SUCKER AS I HAVENT GOT ANYTHING RELATED YOU WILL BE FORCED TO INVENT SMTG WRITTEN IN MY STYLE AND I WILL LOVE TO READ THAT :p
Mingva asked me several times to drive for him and I kiddingly asked him if he wants me to finish his z29 replay and he said yes.But I never actually done that.
FOURTH LIE MINGVA IS OUR CHIEF HE IS STRAIGHT AND HIS STRAIGHTH MADE ORION TEAM BECOME WHAT WE ARE: THE BEST!
In another chat Alain told me he hexedited parts of his replays because it would make bridge jumps and the likes easier.
FIFTH LIE NO ONE CAN EDIT A STUNTS REPLAY SUCKER BUT YOU DONT KNOW THAT BECAUSE YOU ARE A SUCKER YOU EVEN DONT KNOW WHAT IS PC TOOLS.
And then we have Alain saying he helped Mingva by driving the hill trick on z31.If you want we can carry all that dirt on the table.
THIS IS THE SIXTH LIE OF THE POST MINGVA HARDLY SUCCEEDED ON HIS OWN TO JUMP THE HILL AND THIS LIE IS FAR THE WORST OF ALL BECAUSE IF YOU SENT YOUR RPL TO HIM HE WOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE PODIUM... lets do the count now...
"And in the same occasion I 'lie' in 5 occasions you already lied in 500.Keep that in mind."
ARGAMMON ONE POST 6 LIES
PFFFFFFF
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
your puny existence only inspires me the famous leo ramone thought!
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2nd innacceptable thing: I suggest that the site admin in zakstunts takes sanctions against bonzai joe, at least he must lose his 2002 title, as the game was cheated...
Alain stop crying.If you would not have had made a complete jerk 100 of times already your opinion might have some impact.
I only said you were just guessing who that guest was and as you can't see the ip's that statement is true.And about me guessing that statement 'can' be true also but I won't tell why/if/how.
I stopped reading on after 10% of your post because it's just meaningless crying.
Greets
Oh and about 'lies' in general:
I don't think lieing to friends or even 'normal' people is a good thing but towards people who continuessly lie themselves AND are being a moron from the base of it's defintion I don't care if I 'insult' or 'lie' to them.
And you are the best example for that group and as it is only a discussion between us 2 (though I brought your slave mingva into it) all this chitchat is complete meaningless.
About taking away Bonzai's championship:
That is bullshit,especially from a guy like you.
It's to far in the past anyways to do anything now,AND I don't remember any rule saying you were not allowed to share your replays with non team members......
you reply with nonsense when you cannot lie... shutup then
"About taking away Bonzai's championship:
That is bullshit,especially from a guy like you.
It's to far in the past anyways to do anything now,AND I don't remember any rule saying you were not allowed to share your replays with non team members......"
sucker :) you are the worst sucker... its not allowed to share rpls with other teams... YOU WANT TO make the newbies use THE RULES UNLAWFULLY??? answer to me, sucker
Ok here we go with my story. It isn't a cheat, I've never did it.
I really raced in Adelaide track, back to 2002 but I sent the replay to the other newbies Alain and Mingva because I saw their times were too weak.
BUT the funny thing is that I didn't use ISA rules because I didn't know them well, I guessed the rules where "one wheel on the track" but not "over" :D :lol: Even in my 1st London replay I wasn't sure about them. That's a 100% newbie :D
I have more stories but they'll come later ;)
??? whats the problem? Its not cheating, we all helped each other in the first months, and i regularly send one of my weak replays to newbies when i see them send a time in the competitions...
i hope its legal... to send an example rpl to newbies, to make them know how to stay in the competition
Quote from: "al il professore"??? whats the problem?
There is no problem. MeganiuM and Orion were partners.
Quote from: "al il professore"and i regularly send one of my weak replays to newbies when i see them send a time in the competitions...
I don't believe you "mother Teresa of Calcutta" :P
Oh my alain you share replays your self and blame bonzai ... pfft what is the definition of newbie?
But then again why do I even ask something.I will get a moronic answer anyways.
I'm not so ashamed of what I did. Firstly, I would definitely have won Zakstunts championship anyway, secondly, I find it a bit curious that while you blame everyone else for cheating and deny everything you've done yourself, you go nuts when I admit something I myself did more than 1? years ago, even before you knew of online Stunts. But go ahead and whine on, I don't think the result will be changed :D
I DONT SHARE, I GIVE, FOR NOTHING AND THAT IS CALLED GENEROSITY.
its different from agressing the newbies with ' hello newbie, i am faster than you '
Oh topic name changed! I am beginning to think I must be very important to Mr.Pere.And I have been told he keeps talking 'to' me in chat while I muted him over an hour already.
How to explain that behaviour? He must really have the feeling of having been opressed by me for a long time (mentally).
2 BJ: you were a cheater... you indirectly admitted it... please take this "bonzai joe is a cheater" as the last insult i ever used against a stunts driver... but as That makes you in debt to the newcomers, just try to teach them how you reached your level of driving, to make stunts become a great sport on the internet.
2 argammon: lets stop this argument by:
1. you give me your conditions
2. i will accept them
2a. accept my excuses for all the insults you took from me, these days and before... i am a moron, a lier and a bad driver that need more than 40 hours a month to give a decent replay... (i did not play mingva replays, i did not hex edit a replay, i did not skid six different girls in the same night..oups! i did that!! i mixed it with my apologizes to my mother)
2b. all the pipsqueaks i stained in the past can be sure i present them my deep apologizes. Of course it does include my worst enemy on and off track, Bonzai joe! please accept my apologies for the last insult i ever send to bonzai joe on this post too :)
3. Due to the evil behaviour i had, the slate is heavy and i will not agress YOU or ANY driver ANYMORE... thanks.
4. Expect tips, tricks from me, and a neutral position in the forum, chatroom... and victories every months...
Your stunts friend forever, Alain
Quote from: "BonzaiJoe"...something I myself did more than 1? years ago, even before you knew of online Stunts. But go ahead and whine on, I don't think the result will be changed :D
PLEASE BJ PLEASE! WHAT WAS ILLEGAL ABOUT SHARING YOUR REPLAY?
Sorry. I don't understand why you put yourself in defense, when there's no obvious thing you did wrong. i don't get it.
Couldn't we please make a subsection in the Board "Drivers who lie and/or cheat and/or are said to have done one or the other or both"? I'd like to be able to skip such things easily if i'm not in the mood.
Hmm that last post of me was at the same time as yours :/
At the time being I don't know to much what to say.Just that I will stop any stupid attacks also of course as if there are any issues they should be discussed in a civil manner.
As a competition manager I just ignore any topics like these.
As a pipsqueak I just don't care.
if someone wants to cheat he will. Thats Stunts. But I don't think ANYONE is cheating in the community.
If I'm suspicious I tell you. Just like I did in the Crazy Driver and the Myron cases. Both were solved easily.
I 'm just not allowed thinking anyone is cheating, and from my own thoughts and trust I won't. Your supsicious thoughts - I just dont care, because I know if I'd care I'd be too easy to influence.
If you think someone is cheating fight with honesty and being straightforward.
Zak
Crazy Driver's results are deleted. Why Myron's ZCT27 result haven't deleted yet?
And why Mingva is still here?
Wasn't that supposed to be a reply to the topic in the main channel Zak?
i think we must all fight cheating with all strength it means:
we are not cheating ourselves.
we dont allow anybody else to cheat.
BTW Different car colors: was a good thing: but now somebody (in the worst case) who drives the replays for another one must drive two replays instead of one :) so we have not all the weapon to fight cheating yet :S
I repeat: its a big fight we can all win if we want...
please believe that
1. i am certain that no member of orion team ever cheated
2. i guarantee no orionian cheated ever
3. i am sure that no orionian have cheated
I will accept any test on my replays and stuff to know if i cheated without knowing it, or no...
thanks
Zak you want to say 'CHEAT IF YOU WANT' and you are about to allow hex editing? Pleeeease don't!!!! This is not the good attitude. Or are you just too tired to detect cheaters? I don't wanna hurt you but this is the first time i really ignore your attitude.
i found zaks position the hardest: lets rely on his judgement. i think he searches for cheaters very often... dont worry
IMO the car color rule was senseless because you could easily change the car color to any color you want by just edition 1 byte.
I think it's the last one Akoss. Zak is too tired to fight cheaters. Can't blame him can you?
Interesting to see the suddenly compromising attitude from Alain. Something I've never seen before. I surely shall keep a similar attitude from now on. I have doubts that this lasts, but I'll be happy if it does. I apologize for my insults and attacks on Alain, and actually I would like to take this chance to apologise for insults and attacks on Argammon too, even though it's been about 2 years now...
Just a little info for curious minds:
It was Roy who started the alliance, because he wanted to see my ZCT11 trick. I took the offer, because I knew he was stronger than me and it would be an advantage for me. Yes, it was greed.
To satanziege: I don't think there's anything juridically wrong with my exchanging replays with Roy, but morally it was wrong. I don't feel like Alain should get involved in it though, as it happened before he came here.
1st : Alain wrote in the beginning of this topic that I asked him to continue my replay.
That's right, I asked him. It was on my 1st race in Zakstunts : Z16. Alain did a 6th gear trick I couldn't reproduce, and I asked him if he can do just the trick for me.
He said "No, forbidden in the rules". I said " OK, I didn't read the rules :lol: ".
At the beginning, I made some rule mistakes, especially in FSC, because I was too stupid to read the rules.
I finally did my Z16 replay, and all others that followed, alone.
That's for the 1st point.
2nd : for me, replay exchanges are not restricted to teams, and not necessary also.
It's a team statement, but some teams don't do it, or at least some pipsqueaks don't : CTG told in another topic he never received replays from Usrin.
Replay exchange is a bonus, but as long as everyone race by himself, I don't think giving a replay to a non-member-of-your-team pipsqueak is to be punished.
3rd : alain/argy and mingva/akoss fights are really starting to bore me. I hope new "excuse me everyone" and new "no insult" statement will last for long. :wink: