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Agree. I'm not convinced by any of both ways haha. But something else than a special track or race for zct300 we should do.

Maybe a track made by zak but for another competition? (Does it even exist? Maybe zak built a track for imsa competition or wrc or usc...

Maybe . I prefer to race for fun and share the fun with other pipsqueaks than hide away in the shadows. That's why my numbers are so low in average


BTW, more statistics: There were 18 seasons with 12 races, 2 seasons with 13 races, 2 seasons with 11 races and 2 seasons with 9 races.

Well this is not actually true. How to catalog 2002 season? 12 races and 3 plus races that counts as 1 race in average. So season 2002 had 12, 13 or 15 races?

Wait, the Plus races did counted in the championship! They had an average point so the three races counts as one.

Duplode is in the season's podium since 2008. This will be his 18th consecutive podium!   Impressive!

Note 4 - Perhaps I made a mistake with some pipsqueak, many of the names are unfamiliar, it's nothing personal

Nice way to sort the pipsqueaks! Only one adjustment, Alain won 2003's championship.

The most similar to GAR rules is France Stunts today.

It would be a nice option for zct300 too. We have to think what to do next year!

A helicopter trick in zct165 with a Corvette!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wegY2fXt56Q


 The funny thing is that "helicopter trick" is one of the hardest tricks in the game. It was made just for fun in this case because the best car for this track, according to the car bonuses was Speedgate XSD. Even my own teammates used the proper car. Check the scoreboard: https://zak.stunts.hu/tracks/ZCT165

So, racing this track without the proper car (I used the Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1) and performing a very complex trick it's an example of how we have fun playing this game besides the competition result.

I was pretty satisfied with this replay knowing it wouldn't be a competitive lap. It got 10th place Please enjoy the replay and the trick!

He is faster than you "on the road" and you are doing more tricks. Since there are not many tricks on this track he wins. It's actually pretty simple.

Yes, this was the zct243 but not always was like this. The point of the video is to show no matter the effort I did or the crazy tricks I tryied, he beated me with a simplier but perfect drive that was the best choice.

Can we stop this silly discussion?

It was never a discussion from me. So no hard feelings from my part. This is an exchange of point of view and opinions. There is no tier list of opinions . CTG said a valid point in my list about akoss' performance. I see good will in the comments of this thread so we can keep doing and sharing lists!

All I will say is that your "measurements" are highly subjective.

Of course, that's the meaning. This doesn't make it any less important. To show and to know our personal subjectivety in a tier format. It's important to know how we think and how we see each other. There won't be a wrong tier list and also there can be more than one tier list from every of us since we can have many subjectiveties or points of view according to the many virtues a pipsqueak's performance can be catalogued.

Every opinion,always is made from facts and from subjectivety. We should fear an IA if it developes subjectivety... or not. But how it works my opinion here? I know I can beat you at any time as I also know you can beat me at any time. I can't say the same with Duplode. This video is the best way to explain my point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ8JXL2gFTo

About tier E I deliverated added Skid here. From a personal POV at least Skid's performance (a bit above him and a bit under him) is still an amateur level. When I joined the community I was at that level. I beated Skid 90% of times at home competitions (My brother, AI opponents and me). Try this exercise: a track without water, without bridges, without PG, without pipes or corkscrews and without shortcuts (try to stay on the road mainly). Only asphalt, banked roads, highways, loops. Race against Skid both with the same car, then tell me if he's that easy.

What is good of this tier tool is to make it easy the personal point of view, the feeling or impressions about ourselves and the rest. That's not good or bad, it's the truth from every of us.

I agree with Argammon when he says he's in a better shape than in 2001 or 2003. I think, however, he overrates his performance, his without doubt excellent performance. Nobody can say some tricks he showed aren't excellent. I don't see his current (2023-now) performance in the next level. What is the next level for me? When you watch replays and you say more than once "how he thought it could be possible? And then he did it". There are two steps here, watching the map or while doing a replay you can imagine tricks/shortcuts and the other step is performing them. The first is pure knowledge of the game and the later may be influenced by time, by will power, determination, skills and more.
Anyway, sometimes is harder to rate ourselves than others. Sometimes we overrate or underrate ourselves, this is natural and it's ok.

https://zak.stunts.hu/tracks/ZCT280 (First flight of that type in competition)

I remember Gutix doing this trick, somebody would remind me which track it was.

Duplode is a giant that likes to sleep a lot He's the best active pipsqueak.

About Akoss' performance I put him in B tier, probably because I didn't race against him at his prime when I wasn't sending elaborated replays. I feel CTG from 2021 was harder to race than Akoss 2003 (not his prime). That's why the different tiers in my evaluation.

MiDiaN is a surprise for me. He came from paleolitic Stunts eras like Mark Nailwood (who I worship as the best of the pre-ZakStunts era). He (MiDiaN) is showing an unimaginable performance and he's growing and growing. I see in him potential to stay in tier A but I also know he didn't show everything he can do yet. So I'll keep watching him because the big 4 could find the 5th mate. If I can play Palpatine once again (I did it with Gutix and Ayrton) it would be fantastic. I hope the language won't be a barrier.

And as I like top tiers, I find a lot of fun in the fights that doesn't appear in the newspapers. I mean to be in a B or C tiers doesn't mean the fights, the races or the tricks are less interesting. Back in 2021 I followed close the season fight between Overdrijf, dreadnaut, Zapper and Heretic. These "silent" fights must be awarded somehow. That's why we started to elaborated ideas like PTB, a wider point system that covers more pipsqueaks than the top 4. I think it needs few fixes but i's already a success.

It's ok, sometimes we just forget the performance pipsqueaks in 25 years of history. My analysis for some pipsqueaks are only because the result records and not because I saw them race (i.e. FinRok, Seeker1982). Others are just in the limit of the tier I placed (Zapper, Friker).

This is my tier list. Few places could change after a deeper analysis.

I should also explain a bit my impressions. Maybe I'll make alive stream about it if I have the time butblet's write some thoughts.

Every tier has different levels inside, so a tier is mor like a wide row of similarities but not always means same performances.

- the "S" big 4: they are Ayrton and then the rest. Maybe Renato Biker is a bit over Gutix and Duplode but it's hard to analyze only watching their replays, you had to live the moment and I think I wasn't contemporary to Renato's prime for example so I can't be 100% sure about it. What I don't have doubt is that they are over the rest of us.

- Tier A: it mixes some different eras. From a personal point of view I feel my prime was in 2002-2005 (zct16-zct47) period but I haven't seasonal results at zakstunts mainly because I haven't been constant in yearly racing periods. I could maintain a high level in short periods of time, few months then I got burned. Also the opponents and the many other competitions and stunts projectsbwere time demanding. I feel my performance of that era was higher than my 2021-2022 when I won two championships in a row. I had a stronger opponent (Duplode) but I think he didn't fight at full strenght often. Back in 2002 and 2003 I found my "nemesis" in Bonzai Joe who I think he was also at his prime and we had several months in intense fights on tracks.

Also Alain had a great performance back then, in fact he was quiet low in the scoreboards at his beginning but suddenly he was at top almost in every race. Argammon was another pipsqueak with small top shockwaves. You could find a great performance in theor laps but without a season success. All of these pre 2008. Also CTG was a different pipsqueak. Automatic transm. pipsqueak and in the mid of the scoreboard, he found from 2007 that he can reach a top level.

I would do it with @Cas and @Chulk to cover a couple of eras and to help with English  .

It's ok, sometimes we just forget the performance pipsqueaks in 25 years of history. My analysis for some pipsqueaks are only because the result records and not because I saw them race (i.e. FinRok, Seeker1982). Others are just in the limit of the tier I placed (Zapper, Friker).

This is my tier list. Few places could change after a deeper analysis.