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#1

Stunts Related Programs / Re: Stunts Online

Last post by dukenukem - Yesterday at 10:18:22 PM

Haha yes, this is true. As the admin I indeed have the power to grant myself a top time directly in the scores database. A critical vulnerability indeed!

Not a vulnerability, but a design issue, since it is not possible to see the best replay. So you can just enter whatever score for yourself and others cannot validate.

#2

Stunts Related Programs / Re: Stunts Online

Last post by Byproduct - Yesterday at 01:31:06 PM

2. DELETED previous results of the default competition without any warning.

Results of one track (default.tr2) were erased only. A player discovered and reported a large shortcut, and we blocked it and wiped the scores because the track changed.

We generally don't mind if people find small skips or shortcuts (although we try to avoid these in map design), but if someone manages to bypass large portions of the track without penalty time, then we may edit the track. It's most likely to happen to the original tracks that are yet unedited (joes, cherris, helens), but could happen to any track.

I'm not going to spam all feature updates here, but check the feature updates section of the page from time to time - for example, curved and sloped tunnel sections were added recently and you can now play with mobile devices too (on-screen keyboard).

I also encourage the track makers among you to take a look at the new track editor. The best and/or most creative maps will be added to the "community" map rotation for everyone to play. Yesterday there was a total of 1876 time trial attempts.

#3

Stunts Related Programs / Re: Stunts Online

Last post by dreadnaut - Yesterday at 12:56:59 PM

Is Adderall allowed? 

There is a long history of beer, beans and spicy food at ZakStunts, clearly performance-enhancing substances!

#4

Stunts Related Programs / Re: Stunts Online

Last post by dukenukem - Yesterday at 12:33:58 PM

External aids or non-cosmetic modifications are considered cheating.

Is Adderall allowed? 

#5

Stunts Related Programs / Re: Stunts Online

Last post by dreadnaut - Yesterday at 12:22:36 PM

That's why I like the idea of the rules of Zak Stunts. Cheating is allowed, so it is fair.

To be precise, ZakStunts allows anything that can be done by the (human) player within the game: shortcuts, bugs, replay handling. External aids or non-cosmetic modifications are considered cheating.

It is impossible to verify everything, but we can continue playing because we don't take a nihilistic approach.

#6

Stunts Related Programs / Re: Stunts Online

Last post by dukenukem - Yesterday at 10:49:45 AM

We've never had the opportunity to compete in NoRH with such a high level of verification before, and I think that's something worth appreciating.

An LLM can create a browser plugin which overrides javascript and re-enables replay handling, lets you play normally with RH, and save the final replay file. Then later send in the results as if it was NoRH.

The "such a high level of verification" what you mention simply doesn't exist.

#7

Stunts Related Programs / Re: Stunts Online

Last post by MiDiaN - Yesterday at 10:25:57 AM

First of all, I'm really happy that this project exists, and I truly appreciate all the work that has gone into it!

I'm a bit disappointed by how negative this thread has been almost from the beginning. This isn't really representative of the ZakStunts community, which is generally a friendly and supportive place.

We've never had the opportunity to compete in NoRH with such a high level of verification before, and I think that's something worth appreciating.

That said, I do think the Default highscore wipe could have been handled a bit more professionally, for example by preserving the replays that didn't involve shortcuts.

Anyway, see you on the track!

#8

Stunts Related Programs / Re: Stunts Online

Last post by Alain il professore - Yesterday at 08:46:00 AM

My dear friend Byproduct,

I will write here that I was shocked by many things on Stunts Online lately:

1. There's no mean of putting results to test.

2. DELETED previous results of the default competition without any warning.

3. Stunts Online didn't come with a single new car.

I love Stunts. Thank you.

#9

Stunts Related Programs / Re: Stunts Online

Last post by dukenukem - October 20, 2026, 06:33:59 PM

It's always possible to overcome them eventually, but I don't think there's a single person who wants to go through all that trouble just to get high scores on Stunts-Online.com . And even if that happened I could just manually delete the scores.

It was merely a weak score hacking attempt

Then it seems there is already one person "who wants to go through all that trouble".

Nowadays there is no such thing as too much time it takes to read/understand/code something anymore since coding agents are a thing. If the code runs on the client, you have no control over it.

Someone already tricked it, it can happen in the future again, and no-one is able to prove 100% if a replay is legit or not.

Your heuristics might not flag it. You still need manual oversight, etc.

Imagine an extreme example: a Teslabot sits front of the computer and plays Stunts Online. It can record and remember its movements, and do the same again and again, just slightly better. That is basically replay handling, and the client code is not even modified. How can you flag that? Put biometric identification and facial recognition into the game and ask for passport on registration?

It's just the same cat and mouse game as in Counter-Strike/Valorant/etc. If it is possible to cheat in the game, someone always will. And you can never know if the other is really better than you, or just cheating without being caught.

That's why I like the idea of the rules of Zak Stunts. Cheating is allowed, so it is fair. It's like everyone having wall hack and autoaim and speedhack, etc. by default in online FPS games. In that case, it would be impossible to cheat.

#10

Stunts Related Programs / Re: Stunts Online

Last post by Byproduct - October 20, 2026, 04:15:57 PM

Thank you for letting us know about it @Byproduct, don't feel like you need to reply to everything here.

Thanks, that's a good way to go about it from now on!

I do still want to mention that there is no problem with scores on the site. It was merely a weak score hacking attempt by the above person, just one of their multiple antics in an attempt to waste my time. I don't even know them – some people just can't stand the idea of others having fun I suppose. 🤷

But, such scores are automatically flagged and easily removed, so there is no issue really, and no need to discuss it further. And you're right, for any actual bug reports, discord is a better place.