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ZakStunts 2012 rule changes

Started by zaqrack, January 03, 2012, 02:07:15 PM

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Chulk

I think this season should not be touched but it should be reviewed before next season as it seems to be quite excesive. Anyway, I haven't taken part much this season, so...
Yes, it is me. No, I'm not back at racing (for now...)

zaqrack

#31
OK let's summarize. pipsqueaks invovled in EB:
Duplode
CTG
Gutix
Friker
AbuRaf70
Zak
Usrin
dstien

Supporting the change to 1-1-1-1:
Duplode
Zak

Resisting the change to 1-1-1-1:
Usrin
Friker
CTG

No comment so far:
Gutix
AbuRaf70
dstien

Not involved but supporting the idea:
None

Not involved but resisting the idea:
Chulk

I will wait for 3 more days for opinions. Then we will either:
A. Keep rules as is for 2012
B. Change to 1-1-1-1, but keep original bonus system for those who resisted the change.


dstien

I supprot [sic] the change to 1-1-1-1.

Akoss Poo a.k.a. Zorromeister

Even if I'm not affected, I'm saying some words. Even if it is only an online competition of an old computer game, I think a rule change in the very end would make the whole championship a joke. It really sounds ridiculous.

Even if we had very bad scoring systems, there was no such precedent in the long history of ZakStunts (though we planned it during season for the next year).

Everybody here had 10 months to comprehend the rules (including the competition manager), even if they are bad. Everybody had the possibility to complain about it. The rules were clear at the beginning of the season, and they applied and apply to everyone here - therefore, it make no sense to construct lists about 'who would be favoured with a rule change and who wouldn't'. And one more thing: we should not punish those people (if there are any) who read, comprehended the rules correctly and then planned the racing season for himself; in other words, if one had been really interested in racing/managing this season, he would have checked the rules carefully.
Chürműű! :-)

1780.16 km

Duplode

In spite of my support of the content of the proposal, at this point I feel we should shelve it till 2013. The change is too divisive, and there are legitimate reasons for that. In any case, at the very least a strong consensus would be necessary to justify late changes in the rules...

zaqrack

Quote from: Akoss Poo on November 07, 2012, 02:32:46 PM
And one more thing: we should not punish those people (if there are any) who read, comprehended the rules correctly and then planned the racing season for himself; in other words, if one had been really interested in racing/managing this season, he would have checked the rules carefully.

Indeed. See also the Hungarian state "saving" those who did not think before they picked up a mortgage loan in a foreign currency. Life is unfair. But I am not (at least I am trying) So rules stay as is, then we'll change in 2013.

CTG

Quote from: zaqrack on November 15, 2012, 04:00:56 PM
Quote from: Akoss Poo on November 07, 2012, 02:32:46 PM
And one more thing: we should not punish those people (if there are any) who read, comprehended the rules correctly and then planned the racing season for himself; in other words, if one had been really interested in racing/managing this season, he would have checked the rules carefully.

Indeed. See also the Hungarian state "saving" those who did not think before they picked up a mortgage loan in a foreign currency. Life is unfair. But I am not (at least I am trying) So rules stay as is, then we'll change in 2013.


Wise decision.

CTG

#37
Quote from: CTG on November 06, 2012, 10:22:39 AM
I suggest to set up possible scenarios for unchanged, decreased and eliminated bonus points.

Now without any consequences, only to demonstrate why Endurance Bonus should be eliminated in the next season (compare with "Head to head" results or simply average rankings). My vote - even if it means a disadvantage for me - went for principals of avoiding such late rule changes.

Current EB system (1-3-6-12):


   Position      Duplode      CTG      Friker      Gutix      Renato Biker   
   1      110 (112)      93 (95)      95 (97)      88 (90)      87 (89)   
   2      109 (111)      92 (94)      94 (96)      87 (89)      86 (88)   
   3      108 (110)      91 (93)      93 (95)      86 (88)      85 (87)   
   4      108 (110)      90 (92)      92 (94)      85 (87)      84 (86)   
   5      108 (110)      90 (92)      91 (93)      84 (86)      83 (85)   
   6      108 (110)      90 (92)      90 (92)      84 (86)      82 (84)   
   7      108 (110)      90 (92)      90 (92)      84 (86)      81 (83)   
   8      108 (110)      90 (92)      90 (92)      84 (86)      80 (82)   
   9      108 (110)      90 (92)      90 (92)      84 (86)      79 (81)   
   10      108 (110)      90 (92)      90 (92)      84 (86)      78 (80)   
   11      108 (110)      90 (92)      90 (92)      84 (86)      77 (79)   
   12      108 (110)      90 (92)      90 (92)      84 (86)      76 (78)   
   >12      108 (110)      90 (92)      90 (92)      84 (86)      75 (77)   
   DNS      102      87      84      82      75   

Decreased EB (1-2-3-4):


   Position      Duplode      CTG      Friker      Gutix      Renato Biker   
   1      102 (104)      90 (92)      87 (89)      87 (89)      87 (89)   
   2      101 (103)      89 (91)      86 (88)      86 (88)      86 (88)   
   3      100 (102)      88 (90)      85 (87)      85 (87)      85 (87)   
   4      100 (102)      87 (89)      84 (86)      84 (86)      84 (86)   
   5      100 (102)      87 (89)      83 (85)      83 (85)      83 (85)   
   6      100 (102)      87 (89)      82 (84)      83 (85)      82 (84)   
   7      100 (102)      87 (89)      82 (84)      83 (85)      81 (83)   
   8      100 (102)      87 (89)      82 (84)      83 (85)      80 (82)   
   9      100 (102)      87 (89)      82 (84)      83 (85)      79 (81)   
   10      100 (102)      87 (89)      82 (84)      83 (85)      78 (80)   
   11      100 (102)      87 (89)      82 (84)      83 (85)      77 (79)   
   12      100 (102)      87 (89)      82 (84)      83 (85)      76 (78)   
   >12      100 (102)      87 (89)      82 (84)      83 (85)      75 (77)   
   DNS      99      86      81      82      75   

No EB:


   Position      Duplode      CTG      Friker      Gutix      Renato Biker   
   1      98 (100)      87 (89)      83 (85)      85 (87)      87 (89)   
   2      97 (99)      86 (88)      82 (84)      84 (86)      86 (88)   
   3      96 (98)      85 (87)      81 (83)      83 (85)      85 (87)   
   4      96 (98)      84 (86)      80 (82)      82 (84)      84 (86)   
   5      96 (98)      84 (86)      79 (81)      81 (83)      83 (85)   
   6      96 (98)      84 (86)      78 (80)      81 (83)      82 (84)   
   7      96 (98)      84 (86)      78 (80)      81 (83)      81 (83)   
   8      96 (98)      84 (86)      78 (80)      81 (83)      80 (82)   
   9      96 (98)      84 (86)      78 (80)      81 (83)      79 (81)   
   10      96 (98)      84 (86)      78 (80)      81 (83)      78 (80)   
   11      96 (98)      84 (86)      78 (80)      81 (83)      77 (79)   
   12      96 (98)      84 (86)      78 (80)      81 (83)      76 (78)   
   >12      96 (98)      84 (86)      78 (80)      81 (83)      75 (77)   
   DNS      96      84      78      81      75