ZCT293 - Symmetry

[Argammon]

OMG!  That deserves a Wiki article!

I used it first in competition in my Corvette replay. It is unclear who found it first.

In any case, it is amazing that we discovered the trick independently of one another. When I found it, I was pretty sure I could cost to victory without too much effort. Fortunately, I at least did a nice pipe trick that went under the radar. 

[dreadnaut]

Also quite chuffed at my pipe slide-jump, I've never managed a properly aligned landing like in this track, with no loss of speed

[Argammon]

Also quite chuffed at my pipe slide-jump, I've never managed a properly aligned landing like in this track, with no loss of speed

Yes, that pipe trick is masterclass!

[alanrotoi]

OMG!  That deserves a Wiki article!

I used it first in competition in my Corvette replay. It is unclear who found it first.

In any case, it is amazing that we discovered the trick independently of one another. When I found it, I was pretty sure I could cost to victory without too much effort. Fortunately, I at least did a nice pipe trick that went under the radar. 

It's not unclear who found it first. As a reminder, here is an extract of the chatroom at the end of the race where you participated and dreadnaut told you what happened:

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(20:13:33)Duplode Hehehe :D Watching Rotoi's version of The Trick -- wonderful stuff!
(20:14:15)(Arg) It is funny we discovered it independently. Or was the Corvette time a hint?
(20:14:39)Duplode And now Argammon goes and does it on the right side, for the sake of completeness :)
(20:14:45)MiDiaN Arg, yes and I had a better replay cooking but I didn't have enough time to finish it unfortunately.
(20:15:37)dreadnaut Let's see... Alan brought it up 18 November, initially with the Indy
(20:16:45)(Arg) Ok, that was before I sent in the Corvette replay.
Anyway, you also find it independently so well done!    

[dreadnaut]

To me it's not important who found it first, since you were not in contact with each other. You both uncovered it independently during the race 🎉

It's brilliant we can celebrate one more tool to create interesting tracks! Now I need to keep an eye for strategically placed bridges too.

And if we went back, are there tracks where this trick could have made a difference? 😱

[Argammon]

Are we back in 2003 @alanrotoi? A time where chatlogs were posted and words were twisted by pipsqueaks trying to "win" a flamewar on the forum?

(...)
(20:13:33)Duplode Hehehe Watching Rotoi's version of The Trick -- wonderful stuff!
(20:14:15)(Arg) It is funny we discovered it independently. Or was the Corvette time a hint?
(20:14:39)Duplode And now Argammon goes and does it on the right side, for the sake of completeness
(20:14:45)MiDiaN Arg, yes and I had a better replay cooking but I didn't have enough time to finish it unfortunately.
(20:15:37)dreadnaut Let's see... Alan brought it up 18 November, initially with the Indy
(20:16:45)(Arg) Ok, that was before I sent in the Corvette replay.

If you read carefully, I wrote that you found the trick before I sent my Corvette replay. And I agree with @dreadnaut that it is not important who found it first. We aren't two small boys in a sandbox, or are we?

[dreadnaut]

We aren't two small boys in a sandbox, or are we?

You both seem very good at pushing each other buttons though 😅

[alanrotoi]

Are we back in 2003 @alanrotoi? A time where chatlogs were posted and words were twisted by pipsqueaks trying to "win" a flamewar on the forum?

(...)
(20:13:33)Duplode Hehehe Watching Rotoi's version of The Trick -- wonderful stuff!
(20:14:15)(Arg) It is funny we discovered it independently. Or was the Corvette time a hint?
(20:14:39)Duplode And now Argammon goes and does it on the right side, for the sake of completeness
(20:14:45)MiDiaN Arg, yes and I had a better replay cooking but I didn't have enough time to finish it unfortunately.
(20:15:37)dreadnaut Let's see... Alan brought it up 18 November, initially with the Indy
(20:16:45)(Arg) Ok, that was before I sent in the Corvette replay.

If you read carefully, I wrote that you found the trick before I sent my Corvette replay. And I agree with @dreadnaut that it is not important who found it first. We aren't two small boys in a sandbox, or are we?

Where is the flamewar? Please don't change the topic playing the victim because it won't work. Maybe I'm not good at English but the message was quiet clear. You say "it's unclear" and I show you it's not. You could say when you find it and it's all done but you don't. Does it offend you that I'm showing a public chat? Don't make it as it were a big deal but also don't try to change what happened.

[Argammon]

Are we back in 2003 @alanrotoi? A time where chatlogs were posted and words were twisted by pipsqueaks trying to "win" a flamewar on the forum?

(...)
(20:13:33)Duplode Hehehe Watching Rotoi's version of The Trick -- wonderful stuff!
(20:14:15)(Arg) It is funny we discovered it independently. Or was the Corvette time a hint?
(20:14:39)Duplode And now Argammon goes and does it on the right side, for the sake of completeness
(20:14:45)MiDiaN Arg, yes and I had a better replay cooking but I didn't have enough time to finish it unfortunately.
(20:15:37)dreadnaut Let's see... Alan brought it up 18 November, initially with the Indy
(20:16:45)(Arg) Ok, that was before I sent in the Corvette replay.

If you read carefully, I wrote that you found the trick before I sent my Corvette replay. And I agree with @dreadnaut that it is not important who found it first. We aren't two small boys in a sandbox, or are we?

Where is the flamewar? Please don't change the topic playing the victim because it won't work. Maybe I'm not good at English but the message was quiet clear. You say "it's unclear" and I show you it's not. You could say when you find it and it's all done but you don't. Does it offend you that I'm showing a public chat? Don't make it as it were a big deal but also don't try to change what happened.

I won't go into the rabbit hole of continuing this discussion with you. We do not get along, and I do not enjoy spending my time with you.

This is a pity because you contributed so much good to the community (cars, videos, interviews, live races, great replays, etc.) -- much more than I did.

But the two of us, we do not get along. From now on I will avoid you as much as I can, that includes not replying to any of your forum messages or posts.

[dreadnaut]

I won't go into the rabbit hole of continuing this discussion with you. We do not get along, and I do not enjoy spending my time with you.

To be honest, from my point of view neither of you tries to get along with the other. "Are we back in 2003?" and "Where is the flamewar?" are both escalating remarks, guaranteed to rile up the other. You seem to have a beef that goes way back. Reminds me of when I meet middle-school mates and we all fall in the same patterns we use to follow as teens.

Escalating situations are a thing in life, but not a necessity. As an alternative you could take to your favourite DMs or chat and attempt to understand how, from best intentions, you ended up offending each other. Language? Expectations? Perceived actions? It could be well meaning communication without an additional public that could bring pride into the mix, never a good ingredient.

You are both Stunts giants, you can do this 👍

[Argammon]

I won't go into the rabbit hole of continuing this discussion with you. We do not get along, and I do not enjoy spending my time with you.

To be honest, from my point of view neither of you tries to get along with the other. "Are we back in 2003?" and "Where is the flamewar?" are both escalating remarks, guaranteed to rile up the other. You seem to have a beef that goes way back. Reminds me of when I meet middle-school mates and we all fall in the same patterns we use to follow as teens.

Escalating situations are a thing in life, but not a necessity. As an alternative you could take to your favourite DMs or chat and attempt to understand how, from best intentions, you ended up offending each other. Language? Expectations? Perceived actions? It could be well meaning communication without an additional public that could bring pride into the mix, never a good ingredient.

You are both Stunts giants, you can do this 👍

To clarify, it was not my intention to insinuate that the tension between the two of us is all his fault.

I just think that it is for the best if he and I stop communicating for a while. There is nothing good coming out of it when we do. We can do what you suggest when the dust has settled -- likely when I have been in the Stunts Valhalla for a while.