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Well, I'm interested in your opinion. I lost my previous girlfriend because of an affair caused by a piercing worn by her - are piercings accepted/liked in this world today? Do you like them? B?FF!

Of course they are accepted, why should they not be?
Is it also unnatural for girls to wear clothes?
When did civilization stop for you? The amish want to stay in the 18th century, where do you want to stay?
Fair enough if you don't like piercings, but standing against them? I don't get that... You might as well stand against ice cream or something...

It bdepends: I like ear piercings. I do not like piercings which are unhealthy (like tongue piercings which can destroy your teeth). I like piercings, when they are not too extroverted - but I think each piercing is. Definitely I do not need piercings for finding someone attractive. (Most of the times I think piercings are unnecessary...).  :-X

i find them totally sexy if they are not overused.

Quote from: zaqrack on September 18, 2006, 05:46:02 PM
i find them totally sexy if they are not overused.

Metal fetish? ;D

http://www.geocities.com/chessher/piercing.gif ;D

http://idata.blogmaster.fr/0/00/73/94/clito1.jpg (http://idata.blogmaster.fr/0/00/73/94/clito1.jpg)

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I love piercings generally, but not too many, and not the kind that is shown on Krys' picture.

Ugly, ugly, ugly piercing pina

Quote from: CTG on September 18, 2006, 07:46:00 PM
http://www.geocities.com/chessher/piercing.gif ;D

Whoooaaaah!!!  :o :o :o

I hate piercings. B?FF!

Seriously:

I don't like piercings in general. But there are some good ones that I like: for example the little silver spot in the nose can be nice. Pussy piercing is disgusting...

I think it can be very cool :) and since I have one myself, I can't really hate them  :D

How about tattoos....how do you feel about them?

Tattoo is disgusting, useless and bad.

Quote from: lisedHow about tattoos....how do you feel about them?

It can be beautiful sometimes, it all depends of the body wearing it :
http://media.vivastreet.com/v1/e/8/a/photo_912010.jpg (http://media.vivastreet.com/v1/e/8/a/photo_912010.jpg)
http://www.tarawa.com/img_prod/2273.jpg (http://www.tarawa.com/img_prod/2273.jpg)
http://www.tarawa.com/img_prod/2276.jpg (http://www.tarawa.com/img_prod/2276.jpg)
http://www.tarawa.com/img_prod/2300.jpg (http://www.tarawa.com/img_prod/2300.jpg)
http://www.tarawa.com/img_prod/2301.jpg (http://www.tarawa.com/img_prod/2301.jpg)

But I prefer body painting :
http://www.scottfray.com/bodypainting/image/starwood2002/smallimages/Astraiabluelady.jpg (http://www.scottfray.com/bodypainting/image/starwood2002/smallimages/Astraiabluelady.jpg)
http://www.mediaman.com.au/profiles/bodypaint.jpg (http://www.mediaman.com.au/profiles/bodypaint.jpg)
http://www.graffitiongirls.com/images/julia1.jpg (http://www.graffitiongirls.com/images/julia1.jpg)
http://www.fashionfinds.com/december99/images/the-human-canvas/fire2.jpg (http://www.fashionfinds.com/december99/images/the-human-canvas/fire2.jpg)
http://www.fashionfinds.com/december99/images/the-human-canvas/flowervase1.jpg (http://www.fashionfinds.com/december99/images/the-human-canvas/flowervase1.jpg)
And some more there : http://www.futureclassx.com/bodypaint/gallery.htm
http://www.futureclassx.com/bodypaint/gia/ra/kashmir1.jpg
http://www.futureclassx.com/bodypaint/gia/tongue/Gia01a.jpg (Kiss, yeah !)
http://www.futureclassx.com/bodypaint/Sarah/mardigras1.jpg

And, to finish with the subjectn here is Zak's future tatoo :http://www.koreus.com/files/200408/tatouage8.jpg (http://www.koreus.com/files/200408/tatouage8.jpg) or http://www.koreus.com/files/200408/tatouage9.jpg (http://www.koreus.com/files/200408/tatouage9.jpg)

Hahaha, you are really a HORNEY Frenchman. ;D Lots of jungle pussies.   >:(

Body painting is interesting but it's just art, not an everyday thing.

Quote from: CTG on September 18, 2006, 07:43:51 PM

Metal fetish? ;D

i have so many fetishes but this is not one of them :D

By the way...who is the other one who has a body piercing? And most important: where on the body is it?

Maybe Akoss... ;D

Should be Zak having a hole Lamborghini pierced through his body...? :D

Quote from: BonzaiJoe on September 18, 2006, 02:21:24 AM
Of course they are accepted, why should they not be?
Is it also unnatural for girls to wear clothes?
When did civilization stop for you? The amish want to stay in the 18th century, where do you want to stay?
Fair enough if you don't like piercings, but standing against them? I don't get that... You might as well stand against ice cream or something...

Wow, I can't believe! This topic became so popular! :)

Well, reaction on Bonzai Joe's words: well, I've just read an article on that in Hungary, it is not accepted by the society, so it's better not to wear body piercings visible on you when you're having an interview for a job (for example).
I also find them disgusting and I can't accept them, if you pierce your body with a piece of metal... I don't know what's the use of it... I still consider piercings to be a crazy, insane, extreme, deviant thing.
Stand against icecream? Well, I remember when I was a young child, people were eating icecream and I ate icecream, too; but I can't remember to anybody wearing a disgusting piece of metal sticked in his or her body.
Now wearing piercing is fashion, the effect of the shitty Americanism. Intelligent people can decide what new things coming from the West they should accept and live with, and what they should contemn and ignore. So intelligent people eat icecream, but vomit on piercings and things like this.
To JTK: ear piercings are not body piercings, they are accepted, I also accept them.
To Lise: maybe my ex girlfriend also visited the forum and found this poll... :S
Btw I have to tell you that in very special cases (on girls, who always smile, has a beautiful dark eye, a beautiful face, and has a long and dark hair especially) little piercing in the girl's nose can be cute. In very special cases.  ;)
Can I have the exact results of the poll somewhere? Who voted on what?

My vote was that "I don't like them in general". Why? Because I think piercings are really unnatural. They can't be considered like clothes, rather like plastic surgery, because they mean a serious artificial change on the body. While clothes never become a part of your body, they can only set off some NATURAL features of it. However, if I found a girl nice and sympathic, I would never change my opinion on her just because of her piercing. (Well, it would be a totally different story if she concealed having a piercing just because she knew that I don't like them...)

I voted for the second option, just to skid up Akoss' mind. :D

I voted for the third one...
By the way, Akoss - ear piercing is body piercing! Why should nose piercing be and ear piercing not? It's just that you got used to see pierced ears, which was not acceptable for males in the 70s, for example. Now you may have earrings (I have 5 and noone cares).

Quote from: Akoss Poo on September 19, 2006, 06:21:25 PM

Quote from: BonzaiJoe on September 18, 2006, 02:21:24 AM
Of course they are accepted, why should they not be?
Is it also unnatural for girls to wear clothes?
When did civilization stop for you? The amish want to stay in the 18th century, where do you want to stay?
Fair enough if you don't like piercings, but standing against them? I don't get that... You might as well stand against ice cream or something...

Wow, I can't believe! This topic became so popular! :)

Well, reaction on Bonzai Joe's words: well, I've just read an article on that in Hungary, it is not accepted by the society, so it's better not to wear body piercings visible on you when you're having an interview for a job (for example).
I also find them disgusting and I can't accept them, if you pierce your body with a piece of metal... I don't know what's the use of it... I still consider piercings to be a crazy, insane, extreme, deviant thing.
Stand against icecream? Well, I remember when I was a young child, people were eating icecream and I ate icecream, too; but I can't remember to anybody wearing a disgusting piece of metal sticked in his or her body.
Now wearing piercing is fashion, the effect of the shitty Americanism. Intelligent people can decide what new things coming from the West they should accept and live with, and what they should contemn and ignore. So intelligent people eat icecream, but vomit on piercings and things like this.
To JTK: ear piercings are not body piercings, they are accepted, I also accept them.
To Lise: maybe my ex girlfriend also visited the forum and found this poll... :S
Btw I have to tell you that in very special cases (on girls, who always smile, has a beautiful dark eye, a beautiful face, and has a long and dark hair especially) little piercing in the girl's nose can be cute. In very special cases.  ;)
Can I have the exact results of the poll somewhere? Who voted on what?

Well Akoss, way to write a lot of nonsense  ;)

Your argument that intelligent people hate piercings, and therefore piercings suck? Well, I disagree...
Americanism?? But everything is from USA, and piercings really aren't. It's been done in tribal Africa and Asia for centuries.
Your opinion is that you don't like piercing, but why can't you just have that opinion and accept that others don't have it? I don't understand how you can say it's because it's deviant. It may be, but what's so bad about that? Some people will also say that it's deviant to have long hair, wear boots and listen to heavy-metal, but you will probably think that's a good thing. Many people will consider it deviant to have written 2000 posts on an online forum dedicated to a 16-years old racing game, but so what? There is nothing wrong with being deviant, and of course there is nothing wrong with putting metal on your body. I don't see what the big difference is between metal and cloth anyway. And as JTK says, what's the big difference between putting metal in your ear and in your navel?

You are simply being a conservative, hating that which is new and strange.
You like ice cream and don't like piercings, I like both, someone else will hate ice cream and like piercings, but nobody will try to force other people not to eat it.

Quote from: BonzaiJoe on September 19, 2006, 11:27:40 PM
[someone else will hate ice cream and like piercings, but nobody will try to force other people not to eat it.

Nope! That thesis is almost impossible unless there will be sold pierced ice cream.

That's funny.

On Water-polo topic, Akoss, you write that after DJ and I told that water-polo is careless :

Quote from: Akoss PooThere are some countries in which it is very popular, like Hungary, Italy, Spain, Serbia, Croatia, Russia etc., and its popularity is increasing even in the USA.

Well, I understand then that you are proud that such a "glorious" country like USA loves water-polo. Right ?

But in this Body piercing topic, you write that :

Quote from: Akoss PooNow wearing piercing is fashion, the effect of the shitty Americanism.

This means that you think that whatever Americans like or do is bullshit too, like body piercing. Correct ?

So, logically, if USA is bullshit and if USA like water-polo, then water-polo is bullshit too. No ? ;D :P

Too tired to answer now, I'll return in the evening or maybe tomorrow to kick some asses, to reply to

Bonzai Joe
Krys B?FF
and JTK

What if you're wrong?

Hey T?ff you are totally wrong. Piercing: USA ---> Hungary, water polo: Hungary ---> USA.

Quote from: CTG on September 21, 2006, 12:07:27 AM
Hey T?ff you are totally wrong. Piercing: USA ---> Hungary, water polo: Hungary ---> USA.

Sure, but it was too funny to make Akoss crazy with my previous post. He is so "hot blooded" these days, it reminds me of Alain. :D

I voted the 4th option and it's because I find most of them very ugly, except for ear piercings (unless you have a lot of them) or those nose piercings described by CTG. But noone can asure it's good or bad, it depends on everybody's likes/dislikes

Quote from: JTK on September 19, 2006, 09:58:49 PM
I voted for the third one...
By the way, Akoss - ear piercing is body piercing! Why should nose piercing be and ear piercing not? It's just that you got used to see pierced ears, which was not acceptable for males in the 70s, for example. Now you may have earrings (I have 5 and noone cares).

Literally, it is body piercing of course, but practically, it isn't. Body piercing is a kind of new fashion - and Bonzai Joe is not right when he referred to the tribal-worn piercings, because the new fashion is not in connection with them, we don't wear our piercings because it was worn in Africa and Asia some hundred years ago, it's not the renaissance of the old piercings. It is a new deep shit coming from the West, it is mazochism to pierce your navel or anything. Back to 'ear piercings', it's not a shitty fashion, it is a habit now. It's a habit to pierce young girls' ear when they are a baby in order to ensure a place for an earring. It is so common that it shouldn't be considered as a fashion, or a deviant thing. That's why it's not called pierincing, it's an earring. Even the most conservative girls wear earring(s). For boys, it is a different story, there are some girls who hates that, like there are boys who hate navel piercings for example. So it's a girlish thing to wear earrings, a fashionable thing to wear earrings for a boy or to wear piercings for anybody.
BJ, you were trying to prove that it's now accepted and not deviant (or deviant in a lighter meaning, 'not totally usual'). I could also write to you on your lines that they were way to write a lot of nonsense, but I can understand you to a small extent. But this way you may also defend all other things which are considered deviant or not normal... you may also understand the principles of mazochists, the drug addicts, or even the biggest killers of human history.
CTG gave the answer to Krys Toff, I wanted to write almost the same.
To Chulk: I described those nose piercings. ;)

What I don't understand is: why does something have to be "usual" before you can accept it? You like earrings now, but you would have hated them if you had been there when they appeared. Sorry I don't think it makes any sense to judge by how usual it is.

About your last examples: mazochists, yes. I accept that as well as people who like piercings. I don't understand it, but if someone likes to be a mazochist, I shall not ruin his joy.
Drug addicts: partly. In the first instance, it is one's own decision if one wants to be a drug addict. Again, I don't think it's a good idea, but if someone else does, that would be fine by me. But the only problem here is that drug addicts destroy themselves, and thereby cause harm to those who care for them. That is why I do not approve of that.
Killers? No, that has absolutely no connection to piercings. Killers hurt other people, piercers just do what they want to do with their own bodies, as is their human right.

Don't take the examples too seriously, I just wrote some shitty examples the first ones which came into my mind.

When a new thing appears, comes from the shitty West, we should decide if we need that new thing or not. To pierce pieces of metal into parts of the body... well, it is a shit idea. Earring is exceptional. Maybe it weren't accidental that the ear was chosen firstly: it's relatively undangerous, the ear is not too thick to be pierced, and really looks good (almost the same with nose, that's why it's second). The other parts are more dangerous: navel is a very sensitive part of your body, to have a piercing in your chin, it damages your nerves seriously. Really mazochism to wear one in your tongue or pussy. Really inconvenient to have one in your lips. I could continue the reasons, the examples why is it a shitty fashionable mazochist thing which must be banned from your life.

And we have to train our eyes. If you are watching the same shit for 20 years, you will get used to it. Maybe that's why I like earrings, and I don't like piercings.

BJ do you accept anything new appearance fashion? It seems. Most of the people are like this... I imagine the future... New fashionable things are spread... Wearing a steel cross in ass, pyramid-shaped haircut, intentionally cut wound in your breast and it's made visible for everyone... dicks are poked in a small, specially shaped glass and worn as bonsai dick, thumbs are being cut... and Bonzai Joe will like everything... and all the young people do... and I will be considered a conservative lame guy who can't accept anything.
We should find the border, the limit... we should let in earrings, nail polish, make up etc., but we shouldn't accept piercings, tattoos, high heeled shoes etc.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee... ;D

Quote from: BonzaiJoe on September 23, 2006, 08:11:24 PM
In the first instance, it is one's own decision if one wants to be a drug addict.

Sorry, BJ, that is per definitionem wrong! Addiction is a disease, it's in the very most cases not a decision!

Quote from: Akoss Poo on September 25, 2006, 12:06:04 AM
BJ do you accept anything new appearance fashion? It seems. Most of the people are like this... I imagine the future... New fashionable things are spread... Wearing a steel cross in ass, pyramid-shaped haircut, intentionally cut wound in your breast and it's made visible for everyone... dicks are poked in a small, specially shaped glass and worn as bonsai dick, thumbs are being cut... and Bonzai Joe will like everything... and all the young people do... and I will be considered a conservative lame guy who can't accept anything.
We should find the border, the limit... we should let in earrings, nail polish, make up etc., but we shouldn't accept piercings, tattoos, high heeled shoes etc.

• Steel cross in ass: That's x-treme piercing, I'm sure someone has already.
• pyramid-shaped haircut: No way, the 80s are over (until the next "retro" wave
• cut wounds in breasts: Already exist almost -> branding
• bonsai dicks: My wife works as a urological nurse - the things she sees there are beyond your idea :o
• thumbs being cut: well, no not this one...

I think one attitude is right: If you do not hurt anyone or really bother someone, if it hurts you ( and you like it) and as long as you do not kill yourself - be happy with it. I won't do it but that doesn't mean it's an overall law not to do it.
An example. You might have heard of him, he is quite famous. :
(http://www.ripleys.de/uploads/pics/Leo.jpg)
I think he is crazy, I do not really like it. But it doesn't hurt me or anyone, so - come on - let go, Goddamn!

That's what I don't understand either... Why, if there is something you don't like, must nobody else do it?
I agree with JTK and myself about that. Then you can apply this philosophy to the future you imagined in your post, and find out what my stance would be on those things. Why do you have to bother what other people do, if it doesn't hurt you? It may be dangerous to pierce your navel, but did you know it's unhealthy to drink alcohol? Let's ban it and impose punishment for being drunk.

Do like Zak. If you don't like to drink, don't drink. If you don't like piercings, don't get a piercings. If you are against abortions, don't have one. Stop trying to decide what other people are allowed to do with themselves.

And to JTK: of course you are right about drug addicts, and maybe this makes it a bad example. But (and I apologise for the BJ-style argumentation here): if one has not chosen to become a drug addict, the idea of accepting or not accepting it becomes kind of irrelevant. We can only talk about acceptance if someone has made a choice to be accepted, as is the case with piercings. I guess if someone got a piercing by accident ( ::)), even Akoss would not be mad at that person.

There's no real choice to become an addict.

Did you ask Pete Doherty about that? :)

Be preparred for the next similar kind of poll created by me! :D:P It's coming soon! :)

ABOUT HIGH HEELED SHOES (=PICSACIP?)? ;D

I think using drugs can't be a part of freedom, as long as serious drug addicts can't work, and "normal" people should pay the costs of their therapy or simply the costs of their life... So they damage not only themselves, but the whole mankind. (Don't say that it's not a choice, but a disease when somebody starts to use drugs!) Nowadays, smoking is another category, as tobacco prices include a huge amount of tax, so smokers pay the extra costs they make for the society (with their health care, etc.)...

So, I agree with Akoss Poo that we should find a "border" somewhere, I think this border should be placed where somebody starts to cause extra expenses or any other damage to the society. Well, maybe piercings should be accepted by this way (although I'm not sure that they don't damage health within a longer time). But I think everybody have the right for not liking them, and it's OK that having piercings is a disadvantage on a job interview. Why? Because piercings are used for showing some kind of "confrontation" against the society, to show that "I live my life in another way that those stupid old people did" (although many other more useful and less stupid ways exist for that). So it's natural that they believe that such a person would also try some stupid ways of "opposition" against the work or the bosses...

Quote from: JTK on September 25, 2006, 09:43:15 PM
There's no real choice to become an addict.

There is. You're not an addict yet when you decide to take drugs for the first time. You know you may become an addict if you try them, so it's your choice to do it or not.

I agree with Usrin about the "extra costs".

Quote from: Usrin on September 28, 2006, 08:48:18 PMBut I think everybody have the right for not liking them, and it's OK that having piercings is a disadvantage on a job interview. Why? Because piercings are used for showing some kind of "confrontation" against the society, to show that "I live my life in another way that those stupid old people did" (although many other more useful and less stupid ways exist for that). So it's natural that they believe that such a person would also try some stupid ways of "opposition" against the work or the bosses...

And do you think it's okay to kick one's boyfriend just because he can't accept her stallin fucked piercing (in navel)?

And do you think it's okay to protest so hard against your "big love" only because she's wearing a small skiding skided piercing (in navel)? :P

It wouldn't be okay to kick him for not liking it, but for not accepting it. It's just too small a thing to make a fuss about...
And to Usrin: maybe this revolt against the bosses is not so stupid. Who can say the old people are always right? Besides, I don't think piercings are always a revolt, as can be seen by this poll, 5 people here likes them and 2 people have them, and that might be another reason why they are worn.

BJ's theory fails. Ask old or middle-age people (boss age) about piercings in a conservative country (Hungary). The poll will be totally different...

That has nothing to do with my theory. The fact is that some people like piercings, however many don't. And people wear them because they like them, and because they know others like them (I guess young people mainly care about their appearance in other young people's eyes, not so much old people's).

Quote from: BonzaiJoe on October 02, 2006, 11:11:30 AM
And to Usrin: maybe this revolt against the bosses is not so stupid. Who can say the old people are always right? Besides, I don't think piercings are always a revolt, as can be seen by this poll, 5 people here likes them and 2 people have them, and that might be another reason why they are worn.

Neither I said that old people are always right. But I insist on my opinion that typical piercing-wearers think "I'm individual, I want to live my life in an extraordinary way, nobody should control me, I don't accept advices from anybody" - while they don't notice that they don't know more about life than anybody of their age, and their behaviour is biggest fashion than anything else... And it's totally right that signs of this behaviour are disadvantages on a job interview, because no firm can be successful with "rebellious" workers who can't accept the authority of their bosses.

Quote from: BonzaiJoe on October 02, 2006, 07:58:17 PM
That has nothing to do with my theory. The fact is that some people like piercings, however many don't. And people wear them because they like them, and because they know others like them (I guess young people mainly care about their appearance in other young people's eyes, not so much old people's).

I think they mainly not try to look better in other youngs' eyes, but try to show them "I'm so cool that I can do anything I want, and I don't care about the opinion of my parents, teachers, bosses, etc." I'm sure that if piercings were fully accepted by the society, 99% of their present wearers would find nothing interesting in them. It is the well-known childish behaviour, when kids want to try everything just because it's forbidden. That's natural - under the age of 6 or 8...

Quote from: CTG on September 29, 2006, 10:17:49 AM
And do you think it's okay to protest so hard against your "big love" only because she's wearing a small skiding skided piercing (in navel)? :P

I think it's not okay. But it's okay to be disappointed about your "big love", if she intentionally tries to conceal such a small thing for weeks, just for making herself even more "perfect" in your eyes...

Summary: Akoss Poo is metalofobic, Bonzai Joe loves meaningless arguements, Usrin is right, CTG is crapping on the whole topic. ;D

Quote from: CTG on October 02, 2006, 09:19:44 PM
Summary: Akoss Poo is metalofobic, Bonzai Joe loves meaningless arguements, Usrin is right, CTG is crapping on the whole topic. ;D

and if everything goes well I'll have my arm free again from tomorrow :D

Maybe Zak has a sick sexual fantasy about plaster... you wear it too often. :)

I don't agree Usrin, I think that only goes for maybe 50% of piercing-wearers, and in those cases it comes in combination with a lot of other rebellious ways of dressing and behaving. (not necessarily a bad thing)

Now that we know that many people like piercings, it would be very strange if that was only the reason for 1% of them to have them.

In fact, it's like saying people only listen to metal or rock music to revolt against the old people who all listen to classical music. True for some, but most people listen to metal and rock because they like it, regardless of whether it can also be considered rebellious.

Quote from: zaqrackand if everything goes well I'll have my arm free again from tomorrow :D

Cool. That was the info I was waiting for to start WRC Stunts revival.
Expect it to start this week-end then. ;)

He's still in plaster.

Quote from: BonzaiJoe on October 02, 2006, 11:22:49 PM
Now that we know that many people like piercings, it would be very strange if that was only the reason for 1% of them to have them.

In fact, it's like saying people only listen to metal or rock music to revolt against the old people who all listen to classical music. True for some, but most people listen to metal and rock because they like it, regardless of whether it can also be considered rebellious.

Many young people like piercings, but, as you can see, still there are some who don't, especially the more conservative, the more mature, the older people. (and there was a Hungarian poll on the Net which said around 25-30% still don't like any kind of piercings)
Accepting/liking piercings or not, it is about a.) the ability to accept new things (BJ: high, Akoss: very low) b.) the age in which you grow up (BJ, Akoss: around the same) c.) intelligence to decide if you you need this new thing or not (BJ: very low, Akoss: high) d.) environment, experience. These will set the level of the acceptance of the new things. Wearing a piercing is revolt and childish (I fully agree with Usrin in his post), and accepting/liking this is caused by my words in my latter lines.
To Usrin: she didn't want to be more perfect in my eyes... she was only afraid of the moment when I notice her piercing, and tried to postpone and postpone the moment till it was possible. But when I took off her top for the first time it wasn't anymore...
To all who don't understand me: it is not about making the girl perfect, or trying to make silly rules, to insist on my principles. A part of a body, pierced by pieces of metal disgusts, scares me, I find it deterrent - it's not so easy to accept this, to become acquainted with piercings. If someone doesn't understand this, he or she is not less stupid than me. I still love Nelly very much, and it is a great insult to me to use the inverted commas and ironic expression "big love". You will get this back in a similar situation.
To BJ: when you mentioned rock music I know that you were pointing at me. Listening to rock music (or metal) is not rebellious. There's rock music for some decades now. It's the same for heavy metal, which is quite close to rock. Rockers also exist for decades now. My mother also listened to rock music when she was a girl, and nobody found her rebellious. It's the same for her sister, who like Iron Maiden very much. If you like guitar music, if you have good enough ears to receive the melody of electronic guitar, especially the faster solos, if you are emotional enough to enjoy a great guitar solo, you will definitely listen to rock music or metal music based on melodic guitar music, drums and vocals. I am not rebellious, the reason why I listen to heavy metal music is not to make a revolt or a rebel, I am not protesting against this world with it. Now I'm wearing usual clothes, I am too old to wear black jeans and black shirts with a cover of a metal album in front. It is a normal thing to like guitar music, rock and metal.
Those who are listening to metal to make a revolt, are the 15 years old children who have mental problems or serious problems with their family. They are always wearing black, they are wearing piercings of course, they have tattoos, too, they have a very scary appearance. They listen not to heavy or power metal, rather to black or death metal, very unmelodic and satanic. Many people consider this to be metal music. When I showed Usrin the music I listen to, he also said he had thought it is "only" rock music. But it was heavy metal of course - a genre which is quite popular and widespread, and was very popular and widespread in the 80s, the golden age of heavy metal music. (Iron Maiden reached 3rd spot on the European charts in 1988 with "Can I play with madness")
B?FF!

Quote from: Akoss PooIron Maiden reached 3rd spot on the European charts in 1988 with "Can I play with madness"

Not their best song... ::)

Of course not one of their best songs, but the most commercial.  ???

That's why Tomkafasz (former roommate) listened it so many times: he was a fashion "metalist". I hate people doing things just because something is fashionable.

Quote from: Akoss Poo on October 03, 2006, 02:55:43 PM
To Usrin: she didn't want to be more perfect in my eyes... she was only afraid of the moment when I notice her piercing, and tried to postpone and postpone the moment till it was possible. But when I took off her top for the first time it wasn't anymore...

OK, now I see. But am I right that you wouldn't have found that such a serious problem if she had admitted having a piercing much earlier (in the time when you got the first impressions of her)?

Quote from: CTG on October 03, 2006, 01:07:15 PMHe's still in plaster.

Damn.
I'll wait for him to be free to play before I start the new WRC Stunts track, he is one of the leaders there for "Yellow shirt award" and I want him to play at his best. ;)

Quote from: Krys TOFF on October 04, 2006, 01:13:43 AM

Quote from: CTG on October 03, 2006, 01:07:15 PMHe's still in plaster.

Damn.
I'll wait for him to be free to play before I start the new WRC Stunts track, he is one of the leaders there for "Yellow shirt award" and I want him to play at his best. ;)

Unless his hand will be removed.

Thanks for writing a constructive post Akoss.
I guess there is one basic view of yours that I can't understand:
you only consider something acceptable when it's been done for a certain amount of years or enough other people have done it.
And about heavy metal, my point was that most people don't listen to that to be rebellious, but if you ask old or conservative people, they will surely say it is. It also seems that you think being goth is only a protest, which is not true at all. It is simply a state of mind, which is transferred to one's appearance if possible. There are also people who take on a "black" appearance for fashion or protest, but those are not gothic, merely fashion-followers.

I think you will become very boring with time if you follow the ideology that you must only do what's widely accepted not try anything new :-/

I hate BJ's arguements because he can't stop when he's wrong. ;D

BJ is trying to persuade (which I gave up, actually)...

He can't persuade Akoss. ;D

Quote from: Usrin on October 03, 2006, 05:08:12 PM

Quote from: Akoss Poo on October 03, 2006, 02:55:43 PM
To Usrin: she didn't want to be more perfect in my eyes... she was only afraid of the moment when I notice her piercing, and tried to postpone and postpone the moment till it was possible. But when I took off her top for the first time it wasn't anymore...

OK, now I see. But am I right that you wouldn't have found that such a serious problem if she had admitted having a piercing much earlier (in the time when you got the first impressions of her)?

Of course... I tried to tell this to Nelly many times, not reaching anything with it... She couldn't understand this, she insisted only on her pains and problems, she never tried to think only a little bit with my brain. It's good to hear that someone is also thinking this way, it would be better to admit her piercing in Orf? in my opinion, or at least when we were talking about jewels (if I like them or not). (Btw that was the time she started to be worried about her piercing.)
And what's the most ridiculous, she asked the question why it had took 3 weeks to turn out that I can't accept her...

Now I can't answer to BJ's post (reason: I'm short of time), but I will return later or tomorrow to make an other post.

Just one more thing: I want my little Nelly back, even if she still wants to wear her shameful piercing...

Quote from: BonzaiJoe on October 04, 2006, 03:39:52 PM
Thanks for writing a constructive post Akoss.
I guess there is one basic view of yours that I can't understand:
you only consider something acceptable when it's been done for a certain amount of years or enough other people have done it.
And about heavy metal, my point was that most people don't listen to that to be rebellious, but if you ask old or conservative people, they will surely say it is. It also seems that you think being goth is only a protest, which is not true at all. It is simply a state of mind, which is transferred to one's appearance if possible. There are also people who take on a "black" appearance for fashion or protest, but those are not gothic, merely fashion-followers.

I think you will become very boring with time if you follow the ideology that you must only do what's widely accepted not try anything new :-/

Ooops, I forgot to answer this post. I totally forgot what I wanted to write here... :S

A state of mind shouldn't make any mark on appearance - the first is your mood, your thoughts, your mental status; the other is your taste of clothing and taste of jewels etc. Of course the first can influence the second - but we are very different (fortunately), our brains are different, so the same state of mind should not mean the same appearance. But for goths (and for other new shitty fashionable styles among youngsters) it is. For all, the same style of clothing - one really like them, one wear them just because a friend of hers wear that cloth, one wear them just because a goth should wear that, one for protest... this is only shitty fashion. Without a character, just following what is trendy to do. You are marking out from the average shit if you are marking out with nothing. An intelligent man/women should not wear conspicuous clothes, jewels etc.
Merely fashion followers? Its the kinda fashion-hating which is fashion! :) It's fashion to protest against fashion this way... :D It's not only for goths, it's for young 15 yr old death metallist guys, too! :) They're just ridiculous.
Widely accepted - liked by most of the people, or does not disturb most of the people. I accept these widely accepted things not because it is not fashion anymore, rather because they are solid, unrebellios, nunconspicuous things.
It's the last day to vote btw on this poll, tomorrow I'll post another same kind of poll in the forum.

When will you start the picsacip? poll?

Yep I also want to vote for high-heel shoes. :D

Hey! I need a nail topic too!

Poll finished (a long ago). Results are here:


Question: What's your opinion about body piercings?  (Voting closed: 15 October 2006, 23:37:27)


I have one in my body.  2 (14.3%)
I like them (or at least most of them).  5 (35.7%)
I don't have a strong opinion.  1 (7.1%)
I don't like them in general.  4 (28.6%)
I hate piercings - I stand against them, they're disgusting.  2 (14.3%)


Results are unofficial because there might be double (multiple?) voters (votes from different nicks but by the same person).

We can assess that people's opinion about piercings differ on a quite wide range, so still I think it's no surprise if one loves them or totally stands against them - it's not been totally accepted by the community yet.

What a conclusion...  :D

Akoss will be employed by a politician to make useless stats. ;D

I'm laughing! :):):)

As goth stuff was earlier mentioned in this topic you might find this interesting (and yes, goth girls still look astonishing :)):

'I'm a human pet': The Goth teenager whose fiance walks her around on a dog lead
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=509713&in_page_id=1770

Disgusting... Women have to be femalish, not gothic animals.

Women don't "have to be" anything. Can you feel the leash in your hand, CTG?