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Stunts - the Game => Custom Cars with Stressed => Topic started by: Daniel3D on December 12, 2023, 01:03:20 AM

Title: All original cars, Powergear Bug Free.
Post by: Daniel3D on December 12, 2023, 01:03:20 AM
Quote from: dreadnaut on November 23, 2023, 10:44:18 PMLet's restart this discussion :)

After looking at various ways to adapt the bonus set, I'm starting to think that large bonus changes or veto rules on PG cars would create a self-fulfilling prophecy: if we push them low enough, they will only win by surprising everyone with an unexpected powergear lap. They will only ever be PG cars, no more driving the Indy on a flat fast track, or enjoying the Vette on a tricky twisty road.
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What if...
What if Kevin found the bug while working on it and fixed it. Then it would have been just a decent race game and would this community probably not exist.

But still..  I wondered for a long time what the game would feel like without PG, with all car's like the Carrera , Powergear Bug free.

I don't want to change or replace the original car's, not in the game or in ZakStunts. But I do want to experience the game as originally envisioned. The post I quoted above made me pursue this more actively.

After reading the wiki and talking to Duplode I realized that the answer was there all along. The powergear bug is triggered by the Mass parameter of the car. If you change the mass and dependent parameters by the same ratio, you have the same car, but Powergear Bug Free.

Easy said, not so easy to do.
Mass is connected to the Torque Curve, so if you change the mass 10% then all 103 torque points have to be changed 10% as well. Torque is connected to aerodynamic resistance (aero drag) and has to be adjusted the same 10%. To aid in this, CAS made a simple program that will adjust all parameters based on old and new Mass.

Although rounding differences do occur, we have managed to make a pack that is for 99% or more the same in straight line performance and flat track top speed (except for PG effect).

So for everybody and especially for Dreadnaut,

All original cars, Powergear Bug Free.
Title: Re: Powergear was a happy accident, but what if....
Post by: Cas on December 12, 2023, 01:43:38 AM
Great work, Daniël!!  8)
Title: Re: Powergear was a happy accident, but what if....
Post by: Daniel3D on December 13, 2023, 09:55:36 AM
Quote from: Cas on December 12, 2023, 01:43:38 AMGreat work, Daniël!!  8)
Thanks.. now to see what they can do.
Everyone has his favourite car (or car's) I think. And that is likely based on feeling, control and handling (or something along those lines).

So after the ZakStunts season is finished I'll open a CCC holiday special.
Take your favourite car for a spin on it. I'd like to know what you guys think.

Off course you don't have to wait for the race. I'll upload the track we'll be doing later here.
Title: Re: All original cars, Powergear Bug Free.
Post by: Daniel3D on January 15, 2024, 10:51:35 AM
### COSMETIC CHANGES PENDING ###
In the creation of the pack I deliberately changed as little as possible to stay close to the original cars.
But I realise that a bit more is necessary after the feedback I received.

Changes don't affect performance, so updating the car's is optional.

The following will be altered:
Title: Re: All original cars, Powergear Bug Free.
Post by: Daniel3D on January 15, 2024, 10:55:40 AM
Quote from: Daniel3D on December 12, 2023, 01:03:20 AM
Quote from: dreadnaut on November 23, 2023, 10:44:18 PM... They will only ever be PG cars, no more driving the Indy on a flat fast track, or enjoying the Vette on a tricky twisty road.
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So for everybody and especially for Dreadnaut,

All original cars, Powergear Bug Free.
@dreadnaut , Did you try them?
Title: Re: All original cars, Powergear Bug Free.
Post by: dreadnaut on January 15, 2024, 02:53:27 PM
Quote from: Daniel3D on January 15, 2024, 10:55:40 AM@dreadnaut , Did you try them?

Not had a chance yet, sorry. Anything you would like me to pay attention to or consider in particular?
Title: Re: All original cars, Powergear Bug Free.
Post by: Daniel3D on January 15, 2024, 08:09:53 PM
Quote from: dreadnaut on January 15, 2024, 02:53:27 PM
Quote from: Daniel3D on January 15, 2024, 10:55:40 AM@dreadnaut , Did you try them?

Not had a chance yet, sorry. Anything you would like me to pay attention to or consider in particular?
They have been thoroughly tested.
So, no, nothing particular. Just enjoy yourself.
If you notice something though, please share.
Title: Re: All original cars, Powergear Bug Free.
Post by: alanrotoi on January 15, 2024, 11:27:36 PM
I would like to check the INDY no pg vs Lola vs Penske in a track (not only the performance statistics)
Title: Re: All original cars, Powergear Bug Free.
Post by: Daniel3D on January 16, 2024, 11:03:14 AM
Quote from: alanrotoi on January 15, 2024, 11:27:36 PMI would like to check the INDY no pg vs Lola vs Penske in a track (not only the performance statistics)
Ok. Make a pack for it.
CCC race 3
Title: Re: All original cars, Powergear Bug Free.
Post by: alanrotoi on January 16, 2024, 12:23:54 PM
Ok :D