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So next week, okay.

Sorry, I'm being an infrequent forum visitor.

Sunday September 14 should work just fine for me.

Thanks for setting this up!

I haven't read nearly everyone's posts yet. But I would like to offer my perspective here:

There are multiple running Stunts competitions. All but one have some sort of limitation on going off-track and a way to prevent PG surprises in the form of limited car choice. The exception is Zakstunts, which focusus on freestyle driving, allowing crazy improvized stunts and powergear and offroad driving and car picking. That competition is the most popular one. Presumably the people racing there race there because they like this style.

So I guess my question is: if people want a competition with the rules proposed in this thread, and they clearly do given the length of this thread, is Zakstunts really the place to make that happen?

Maybe she's just saving herself for marriage. 

In the first championship all three DTM cars started with the same bonuses (they even false started with the same bonuses which were tweaked after the first race, if I remember correctly). It seems like the Mercedes was just a little slower on those tracks where the DTM cars as a group were competitive. In her third season (2023) the car just started with a very low bonus so it was always an uphill battle. But there was certainly also some bad luck involved, a PG surprise (ZCT241) and a few shared podiums (ZCT225, ZCT286).

I guess that is kind of a downside of the 1% system, we wanted more multi car podiums, but that also means higher odds for a car to get used and lose coefficient points but not win.

...I think it's kind of cool. I made a cursed car.

The version of my DAF we used in the Rallycross Regionals live race event might be a little bit like the car you're looking for. The grip can go really low as long as your wheelbase isn't too long, and you'll get a very skiddy car.

https://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=4181.msg91192#msg91192

Nachos

Pudding

Hurrah

I think this time the scoreboard will be like this:

14. @Overdrijf

For very dumb non-funny in-jokey reasons (that have nothing to do with Johan Cruijff, as some people who follow Dutch football might expect), I'm always happy with a 14th place.

An alternative to outright leaving out a pair of original cars each season would be giving them a -11% penalty, effectively pushing them back one year in the rotation. That way, while they would most likely be uncompetitive for the season, people would still be able to race them for fun and have it show on the scoreboard. The 22 subtracted points could be redistributed by adding +1% to the other sixteen cars (assuming two additional custom cars would be included) and spreading the remaining six points across newly introduced or reintroduced custom cars (whose initial percentages have a fudge factor anyway). The selection of the cars to be penalised could be done as in my earlier suggestion (one PG and one non-PG, going through all original cars on a strict rotation with periods of four years and seven years respectively, prioritising cars with weak bonuses whenever feasible).

At that point though, why not just leave all the cars in and let luck sort out which get used? Just give the custom cars that might be gone after a year a high enough bonus to see use.

Always on a rotating schedule, as none of the original cars deserves an extended ban:

• One of the four powergear cars, to ease the PG pressure on track designers, going through all of them in a four-year cycle;
• One among the seven other cars. For this pick, prioritise cars with low bonuses relative to their balanced values, so that ideally the excluded car would be unlikely to feature in the season anyway, and go through all possibilities in a seven-year cycle. When it's time to bring back this non-PG car, it could make sense to do so with +12% on the coefficient it had at the time it was excluded.

Interesting proposal. Leaving original cars out was not something I was going to suggest, but I'm also not against it. It could lead to a more balanced field of cars. And this distinction between PG cars and others does make sense.

I would maybe make an exception for the Indy, with it kind of being THE car, the icon of the game. On the other hand of course, it's also the biggest powergear bully and victory thief.

As for the idea of "take away a car that has a low bonus anyway", I'm arriving at the same point through a different route. I think it's good to at least take a car that had a victory in the last season, preferably a full race of people using it. Maybe even give it some extra bonus the next season so it will see use in that one as well.

Just posting my yearly reminder that fast and medium-fast cars are fun. Most of the original cars are slow cars, and 3 powergear cars is kind of enough, so I always like things that go vroom being added.

I have a nice drive through the park that is currently very pretty but entirely untested as a track, I feel like that could be a good match for 287.

Wow, this is all developing fast.

I'll be back to try and have a detailed opinion about the different variants, I just wanted to express my support for the general concept. I feel like if more people have a realistic chance to fight for what is now LTB it will do its job of motivating people to race all around the month better. And the stepped implementation, where a higher position is better, means that it should still motivate the top drivers as well.

Wow, very interesting data. Not all of these results immediately make sense in my head, but the methodology seems very thorough. And it's kind of poetic that the "basically developed to be my ideal car" BMW ends up so close to my favorite original car in the Jaguar. I might go and suggest an NTT race between the two.