Territory dispute from Sports topic

[CTG]

Kosovo would be just another country beating us in football... (as Montenegro did)

[Krys TOFF]

There are different kind of countries against Kosovo's independance :
- pro-serbia countries like Russia who were also against Macedonia, Slovenia, Croatia, ... independance some years ago
- ex-USSR countries due to Russia's influence still present (Kazakhstan, Belarus, ...).
- countries that fear that their independentists factions would like to do the same. Examples : Spain, South Africa, Mexico, Ukraine, Bolivia, India, ...
- pure communist countries, always against any kind of freedom (China, Vietnam, ...)
- countries that fear Serbia's anger due to their proximity (Bosnia-Herzegovina mainly, maybe that's the same for Romania)
- others, which are un-explainable to me, like Argentina, Brazil or New-Zealand, ...

[Chulk]

I don't really know about Argentina's position either. Didn't hear anything on the news regarding that topic so I can't really bring any light on that matter...

[zaqrack]

Drifting to a related topic, the current state of affairs at Kosovo, there's a very relevant observation. Take a look at this:

Map of Kosovo's current diplomatic status

Notice how Hungary intends to recognise Kosovo, in opposition to Slovakia and Romania. That's quite interesting in the context of the "Greater Hungary" debates around here.

It's because Hungary would probably be very happy to see the Hungarian speaking regions located in Romania, Slovakia and Serbia reaching a status similar to Kosovo, and the neighboring countries dont really want this to happen

[BonzaiJoe]

There are different kind of countries against Kosovo's independance :
- pro-serbia countries like Russia who were also against Macedonia, Slovenia, Croatia, ... independance some years ago
- ex-USSR countries due to Russia's influence still present (Kazakhstan, Belarus, ...).
- countries that fear that their independentists factions would like to do the same. Examples : Spain, South Africa, Mexico, Ukraine, Bolivia, India, ...
- pure communist countries, always against any kind of freedom (China, Vietnam, ...)
- countries that fear Serbia's anger due to their proximity (Bosnia-Herzegovina mainly, maybe that's the same for Romania)
- others, which are un-explainable to me, like Argentina, Brazil or New-Zealand, ...

It just depends on your ethical viewpoint...
Generally, there are two conflicting moral points:

1. Kosovo deserves independence and a vast majority of Kosovars want it
2. Kosovo independence is a really bad idea for the region and for the world in general

[Duplode]

It's because Hungary would probably be very happy to see the Hungarian speaking regions located in Romania, Slovakia and Serbia reaching a status similar to Kosovo, and the neighboring countries dont really want this to happen

Well, so my supposition was right. Though a rather obvious point, it's really stupefying how many, at times very-very distant, countries are led to polarized view about Kosovo due to delicate "internal" issues causing fear of, or desire for, a precedent.

There are different kind of countries against Kosovo's independance :
- pro-serbia countries like Russia who were also against Macedonia, Slovenia, Croatia, ... independance some years ago
- ex-USSR countries due to Russia's influence still present (Kazakhstan, Belarus, ...).
- countries that fear that their independentists factions would like to do the same. Examples : Spain, South Africa, Mexico, Ukraine, Bolivia, India, ...
- pure communist countries, always against any kind of freedom (China, Vietnam, ...)
- countries that fear Serbia's anger due to their proximity (Bosnia-Herzegovina mainly, maybe that's the same for Romania)
- others, which are un-explainable to me, like Argentina, Brazil or New-Zealand, ...

It just depends on your ethical viewpoint...
Generally, there are two conflicting moral points:

1. Kosovo deserves independence and a vast majority of Kosovars want it
2. Kosovo independence is a really bad idea for the region and for the world in general

Spot on... despite all reasons we can surely argue for Kosovo's case, a sudden unilateral declaration right in this geopolitical context (Mr. Putin on his neo-soviet fumes, Montenegro having just split from Serbia, etc.) is quite risky business. Krys commented on Brazil's position; it is not one of straightforward opposition aimed at Kosovo's plans, but rather one of diaspproval of unilateral moves from either part - a position shared by a number of countries.

[Chulk]

Krys commented on Brazil's position; it is not one of straightforward opposition aimed at Kosovo's plans, but rather one of diaspproval of unilateral moves from either part - a position shared by a number of countries.

Yes, Argentina as well. I read a few about this on the net and that is why Argentina is against. It's not againts independence declaration, it's more about the way it is obtained.

[Krys TOFF]

Sure, the way Macedonia got separated from Serbia was peacefull and without any problem. Unlike Kosovo. But problem with Kosovo is that for most Serbian a big part of Kosovo is considered by them as the craddle of Serbian civilization, so that's why they are all the more furious about this independance.