ZCT296 - Soul to Squeeze

[HerrNove]

Considering that Erik, the author of the track, has posted a replay using the "domesticated" DWS route I think we should at least allow that kind of cut.

About the "wild" DWS demonstrated by Duplode, I think deciding either way will make some people mildly unhappy, but the sooner a decision is taken the better: more time to cool down, less potential for flames in the forum. Those who have opinions, in either sense, should post here quickly and then let the admins decide so that not too many PTB hours elapse with a grey situation on the table.

Pinging @Erik Barros , the opinion of the track's author should carry more weight.

[alanrotoi]

Maybe I'm not good at English but I don't see any disconnection. Again: you forgot to apply the current situation when something out of place happened. Somehow you are taking this as something against you or Alain when in fact Duplode's post was before you uploaded your replays, so I don't understand.

I think this is the fairest considering the situation.

[Victor Narl]

guess the track's author should decide.

I completely agree with this statement, we should invite @Erik Barros to the discussion

[Victor Narl]

Maybe I'm not good at English but I don't see any disconnection. Again: you forgot to apply the current situation when something out of place happened. Somehow you are taking this as something against you or Alain when in fact Duplode's post was before you uploaded your replays, so I don't understand.

I think this is the fairest considering the situation.

We need to be clear: are the rules here Free or not Free anymore? As @dreadnaut said in August—there are many alternative competitions with stricter rules. But quote: "None of those are freestyle events, only ZakStunts." I don't understand how driving on WrongWay is any different from, say, "mowing the grass" in cars with PG?

[dreadnaut]

Six months ago you wrote something completely different about the "restrictions" for Free - you are deviating from your own concept

It seems to me you are comparing track-specific rules, which make rare but consistent appearances in ZakStunts, to a competition-wide rule change to prevent driving off the asphalt more than 50% of the distance. I hope you can see how they differ.

Please don't assign to me an unclear "concept" of your own creation. I am not responsible for it.

[MiDiaN]

I strongly doubt the track owner intentionally designed it to allow driving backward. Erik has tried to carefully balance the two main routes with DWS in mind, but this loophole ruins the race, it should be banned.

[Victor Narl]

I strongly doubt the track owner intentionally designed it to allow driving backward. Erik has tried to carefully balance the two main routes with DWS in mind, but this loophole ruins the race, it should be banned.

It's surprising to hear this from you, a participant in a Speedrun competition where literally everything is allowed.

[Alain il professore]

Hello my friends,

Admins should go forward with some appeasing statement about Z296 regulation to allow everybody to play together again.

Yours truly, Alain il Professore.

[alanrotoi]

Maybe I'm not good at English but I don't see any disconnection. Again: you forgot to apply the current situation when something out of place happened. Somehow you are taking this as something against you or Alain when in fact Duplode's post was before you uploaded your replays, so I don't understand.

I think this is the fairest considering the situation.

We need to be clear: are the rules here Free or not Free anymore? As @dreadnaut said in August—there are many alternative competitions with stricter rules. But quote: "None of those are freestyle events, only ZakStunts." I don't understand how driving on WrongWay is any different from, say, "mowing the grass" in cars with PG?

If you check the races from time to time (twice a year average?) there are specific rules for the track. It's not new here. Why? to prevent boring laps like these. I also have been harmed? for these situational desitions before.

Remember, sometimes even restrictions can't stop creativity

[Victor Narl]

Maybe I'm not good at English but I don't see any disconnection. Again: you forgot to apply the current situation when something out of place happened. Somehow you are taking this as something against you or Alain when in fact Duplode's post was before you uploaded your replays, so I don't understand.

I think this is the fairest considering the situation.

We need to be clear: are the rules here Free or not Free anymore? As @dreadnaut said in August—there are many alternative competitions with stricter rules. But quote: "None of those are freestyle events, only ZakStunts." I don't understand how driving on WrongWay is any different from, say, "mowing the grass" in cars with PG?

If you check the races from time to time (twice a year average?) there are specific rules for the track. It's not new here. Why? to prevent boring laps like these. I also have been harmed? for these situational desitions before.

Remember, sometimes even restrictions can't stop creativity

There's just one thing that I can't help but doubt: why are the rules being written down only now, when the race has already picked up steam? I don't recall any precedents for rules changing mid-race, or can you remind me?

p.s. A boring lap is a relative concept. For me, it's "mowing the grass" for more than half the route using PG.

[HerrNove]

I don't recall any precedents for rules changing mid-race, or can you remind me?

Happened in ZCT256, ZCT280 and ZCT146.

[Erik Barros]

Hello guys, sorry for the delay!!

First of all, thank you @Duplode for shedding light on the "problem", when I designed the track, I was certainly counting on using DWS, but the example sent in the replays really unbalances the race. I believe that banning DWS is not the best solution; it would make the race much more boring and invalidate many replays.

My suggestion for a rule, if we add one, is something simple to follow and no more restrictive than necessary: after the dual-way split, it is not allowed to turn around and go back past the

I agree that @Duplode suggestion should be implemented.

I hope everyone has a fun race!

[Duplode]

There's just one thing that I can't help but doubt: why are the rules being written down only now, when the race has already picked up steam?

We do try to deal with such issues when reviewing the track before the race, but we're only human and will miss things sometimes. And when we do miss them, I guess it's better if someone calls it out in the first week, thus giving us a chance to have a conversation and figure out together what to do, rather than merely resigning ourselves to, for instance, the fate of spending the following three weeks perfecting a single shortcut in a track fully shorn of its depth.

[Duplode]

All right, then, we are going to apply the extra rule for this race as described in the opening post. Thanks @Erik Barros and @dreadnaut , and all of you for the input -- and apologies for the inconvenience and soon-to-be-excluded replays. I'll try to have it all sorted out by the morning (there's still plenty of time before the Chinese Grand Prix start, after all  ).

Edit: The list of replays is now updated. The three replays that had to be excluded will be visible again after the deadline, in a separate list.

[HerrNove]

In case someone wants to continue the challenge with the "no-limits" ruleset, here my two-tile DWS lap. Williams, 31.80 sec (34.98 with car modifier).