Chocolate Stunts

[dreadnaut]

CommonLoon102's Chocolate Stunts looks like the most advanced Stunts port to suddenly appear on the scene!

While issues and suggestions should probably go to the project repository, let's start a thread here for your thoughts and impressions!

[alanrotoi]

It looks good!! And ghost opponent (a recorded lap!) I love that!

[HerrNove]

> I'm thinking in particular of the "press Q to rewind" feature, which can greatly reduce the effort of replay handling

There is no way to detect these techniques so it's just a matter of honour, but if we allow "press Q to rewind", what is the limit?

Given that various players have said that using savestates is not allowed, I think we should discuss on where to trace the line. Because pressing accidentally "Restart driving" and losing a good segment becomes not OK if others competitors are avoiding that risk.

In my opinion, the moment we allow anything else than the original game, the competition is going to become about who is building with Claude the best computer assistance features. Ghost car with the replay to imitate? A dashed ideal line, à la Geoff Crammond? An overlay with the keys to press, like in Trackmania's streams? Some of these things would take a skilled programmer no more than 1-2 intense nights to create.

So, even if I might try these LLM-made reworks to explore new tracks and enjoy the game, or for competitions where everyone is using it, I hope we as community will say our "НЕТ" to the computer assistance arms race.

[dreadnaut]

There is no way to detect these techniques so it's just a matter of honour, but if we allow "press Q to rewind", what is the limit?

I'm really interested in this discussion, for ZakStunts and outside. There's a range of options here, from HET! + honour to anything goes! There is also historical context: early 'cheating' tricks included adding digital speedometers to cars that didn't have one, for more precise shifting; but upgrades like SuperSight have smaller effects, or improve enjoyment without giving an advantage.

So is there a pragmatic way ahead? Maybe an official build with a small number of improvements? Or do we need to stick to a harder set of rules?