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Started by CTG, September 02, 2013, 09:38:51 PM

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The usual dual-way problem... Which line would you allow from the published map?

None of them, dual-way switch should not be allowed at all
5 (62.5%)
Only the white one, that's a challenge
2 (25%)
Black & white, the other three are technically the same... erm... actually the black, too... but it looks a lot a better
0 (0%)
All, except the red
1 (12.5%)
FREEDOOOOOOOM, all of them
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 8

Voting closed: September 08, 2013, 11:47:18 PM

CTG

#15
ZCT 146 replays so far (strikethrough: dual-way misery):

Akoss Poo 0:48.36  Jaguar XJR9 IMSA auto 2013-09-03 18:27
Akoss Poo 0:48.03  Jaguar XJR9 IMSA auto 2013-09-03 18:37
Akoss Poo 0:43.07  Jaguar XJR9 IMSA manual 2013-09-03 18:47
CTG 0:49.26  Porsche Carrera 4 auto 2013-09-03 19:12
CTG 0:52.93  Lancia Delta Integrale auto 2013-09-03 19:12
CTG 0:57.45  Lancia Delta Integrale auto 2013-09-03 19:12
CTG 0:55.04  Lancia Delta Integrale auto 2013-09-03 19:12
CTG 0:47.43  Porsche Carrera 4 auto 2013-09-03 19:13
CTG 0:46.63  Porsche Carrera 4 auto 2013-09-03 19:13

dreadnaut 0:38.46  Melange XGT-88 manual 2013-09-03 19:14 - black line
CTG 0:42.65  Porsche Carrera 4 manual 2013-09-03 19:18
CTG 0:31.12  Porsche Carrera 4 auto 2013-09-03 19:21 - red line
CTG 0:41.27  Porsche Carrera 4 manual 2013-09-03 20:32
CTG 0:42.52  Jaguar XJR9 IMSA manual 2013-09-03 20:51

CTG 0:28.06  Jaguar XJR9 IMSA auto 2013-09-03 20:58 - red line
CTG 0:29.38  Porsche Carrera 4 auto 2013-09-03 20:59 - red line

CTG 0:40.50  Porsche March Indy manual 2013-09-03 22:40 - orange line
CTG 0:34.38  Melange XGT-88 auto 2013-09-03 23:11 - black line
Renato Biker 0:33.76  Jaguar XJR9 IMSA manual 2013-09-03 23:12 - black line
CTG 0:42.00  McLaren Honda MP4/4 auto 2013-09-03 23:16 - black line
CTG 0:11.46  Jaguar XJR9 IMSA auto 2013-09-03 23:18 - unfinished replay (sorry)
CTG 0:33.21  Jaguar XJR9 IMSA auto 2013-09-03 23:19   - black line
CTG 0:36.63  Porsche Carrera 4 auto 2013-09-03 23:24   - black line
Akoss Poo 0:33.90  Jaguar XJR9 IMSA auto 2013-09-03 23:35   - black line
Renato Biker 0:36.60  Porsche Carrera 4 manual 2013-09-03 23:35   - black line
Akoss Poo 0:32.30  Jaguar XJR9 IMSA auto 2013-09-03 23:37   - black line
CTG 0:32.08  Jaguar XJR9 IMSA auto 2013-09-03 23:58   - black line

CTG

Quote from: CTG on November 01, 2012, 11:15:46 PM
The best solution is to avoid dual-way parts in the first third of the tracks.

Should we declare such an unwritten rule (or advice) for track designers? Unfortunately both Zak and me used to fall in the same mistake every year... ;D

zaqrack

CTG 0:42.65  Porsche Carrera 4 manual 2013-09-03 19:18
CTG 0:41.27  Porsche Carrera 4 manual 2013-09-03 20:32
CTG 0:42.52  Jaguar XJR9 IMSA manual 2013-09-03 20:51


these were deleted by accident, please resubmit. I will correct the timestamp so you get leading time.

zaqrack

Quote from: CTG on September 04, 2013, 08:53:13 AM
Quote from: CTG on November 01, 2012, 11:15:46 PM
The best solution is to avoid dual-way parts in the first third of the tracks.

Should we declare such an unwritten rule (or advice) for track designers? Unfortunately both Zak and me used to fall in the same mistake every year... ;D

we should code it into the track validation routine in Stunts :)

BonzaiJoe

I generally find dual-way switching thrilling. It should be banned on this track because it kills the race, but only as a 'special rule'.
But we can't be quite sure.


Akoss Poo a.k.a. Zorromeister

Quote from: BonzaiJoe on September 04, 2013, 10:43:44 AM
I generally find dual-way switching thrilling. It should be banned on this track because it kills the race, but only as a 'special rule'.

That was exactly my thought. If dual-way switching is banned on this track, it should only be a 'special rule' for only this track.
Chürműű! :-)

783.11 km

Duplode

Quote from: Akoss Poo on September 04, 2013, 11:10:58 AM
Quote from: BonzaiJoe on September 04, 2013, 10:43:44 AM
I generally find dual-way switching thrilling. It should be banned on this track because it kills the race, but only as a 'special rule'.

That was exactly my thought. If dual-way switching is banned on this track, it should only be a 'special rule' for only this track.

Of course, dual-way switching is part of Stunts. That, however, shouldn't mean we have to lose good non-switching dual-way tracks like Z127 and Z146. There is no general solution to this issue - for instance, I speculated about the possibility of having a rule such as "it is forbidden to drive in the wrong way through the shared sector (i.e. the one with the start/finish line) to dual-way switch)"; under a strict interpretation, however, that would make my Z79 lap illegal, not to mention it wouldn't affect many of the problematic cuts in the tracks we are discussing.

Quote from: zaqrack on September 04, 2013, 09:36:42 AM
Quote from: CTG on September 04, 2013, 08:53:13 AM
Quote from: CTG on November 01, 2012, 11:15:46 PM
The best solution is to avoid dual-way parts in the first third of the tracks.

Should we declare such an unwritten rule (or advice) for track designers? Unfortunately both Zak and me used to fall in the same mistake every year... ;D

we should code it into the track validation routine in Stunts :)

Maybe as a warning - "This track may require ad hoc rule changes"  :) If we could modify the pathfinding routines, the pipe dream would be an option to add penalty time when dual-way switching, turned off by default.

alanrotoi

Quote from: BonzaiJoe on September 04, 2013, 10:43:44 AM
I generally find dual-way switching thrilling. It should be banned on this track because it kills the race, but only as a 'special rule'.

I agree with this.

CTG

Another track infected by Leadingtimo Bikeritis virus...

CTG


CTG


Akoss Poo a.k.a. Zorromeister

Quote from: CTG on September 05, 2013, 12:44:56 PM
Another track infected by Leadingtimo Bikeritis virus...

If there hadn't been for him, you'd do exactly the same. It probably hurts, but nobody can catch the pipsqueak named 'Renato Biker'.
Chürműű! :-)

783.11 km

CTG

Quote from: Akoss Poo on September 18, 2013, 07:02:00 PM
Quote from: CTG on September 05, 2013, 12:44:56 PM
Another track infected by Leadingtimo Bikeritis virus...

If there hadn't been for him, you'd do exactly the same. It probably hurts, but nobody can catch the pipsqueak named 'Renato Biker'.

I just need a new lap - but I don't have time and motivation to complete it before the quiet days.

alanrotoi

Ouch, I found a way for motivating. Just read the shoutbox messages from a track you liked. :D

CTG

So, who will choose the straight way? It's clearly the fastest, if you can do the banked road - hillside - cork up/down part without 18 seconds penalty.