Community situation

[alanrotoi]

I don't remember any fight from May 2002 to August 2002. Those were the good times. And all of us were here in july 2002 at least (but krys and argammon) and we didn't fight. What happens now? Do we want to dissolve this community? I don't want it and I know you too.

What to do without any moderator? OK, so we must solve it all together. It is the best solution. I don't like to see Zak dissapointed about us because the TDC 2003 wasn't a success because accuses of cheating or some zct with the same cheating problem. The base of this community is the honesty and friendship. We are forgetting them and this community is getting a literally shit.

If you are agree please support this idea.

[Mingva]

I agree, and it's sad to see such unprofessional behaviour from so called Pro pipsqueaks

[CTG]

OK, I'm the source of the most problems (are you happy to hear it, Mingva?   ). I watched all the main arguements in the last 15 months and I found that there was no arguements without CTG. Yes it's true. I'm unprofessional, I'm warm-blooded when words ran high! Sorry, I'm such a character. But! Rancour needs two sides. Mingva, you aren't so innocent...  :evil:

[Akoss Poo a.k.a. Zorromeister]

I must agree with Alan. I enjoyed the times when I was a beginner, I used only basic replay handling, I admired Roy. There were no serious arguments. I liked drivers like Roy, Ben, Pershing, Bismarck etc. more than Alain and Mingva. There were no monitor addicts expect for Roy, we were happy, I liked to be here. Ghost stories, Myron scandal, Mingva's and Alain's sudden improvment forced that there's an argument on each shit little thing. I want the happy times again!

So forget everything. Please restart. Don't explode arguments, scandals. Just send rplz, vote on TDC, and don't think about there's cheating or not. Shit on it, let us be happy. Please.

[Argammon]

I won't speak about the flamewars,but CTG's TDC behaviour was highly unprofessional and probably not fair to most of the trackmakers.

[alanrotoi]

Please, this is not a space of discussion about a singular problem. We are talking about the whole community situation.

[Argammon]

'I don't like to see Zak dissapointed about us because the TDC 2003 wasn't a success '

I can see how Zak is dissappointed about flamewars and cheating and all those nasty matters but imagine areas in real life where there is no police or law.

When humans see there are no limits they are going further and further.
Sad but true

[alanrotoi]

I agree, that's more sad, more important and it cares to me but we are here right now. This is a stunts forum and the topic says "Community situation" I could like to chat about it in this topic where your opinion is important too.

[CTG]

Community... well it's getting die. Zak is a bit lazy nowadays, perhaps he's not very motivated in managing ZSC. Other comps? IRC won't continue, other comps are too little to compare them with Zak's. War is an everyday thing now, some of the better pipsqueaks left the community in the last one year and some of the pipsqueaks are here because of insulting (you can think on me, but don't forget about Mingva or Alain). These are the main problems. How to solve them? It isn't necessary to solve, what's more: impossible! There are three poles in Stunts world: the two mentioned Orionians (the so called "good boys", innocents or saints... feel the irony...   ), Akoss and me (dark side), and of course the others being neutral. Until one of the first two poles won't leave Stunts community war will never end. That's my view. You can say I'm too stupid, I cause all the problems... But if you think that you will never recognize that it was a gross error...  :?

[alanrotoi]

Ok no insults but there is irony in your words. Please retain them. Could we find this topic like a free insults-irony-sarcasm area? It could help if you need to talk or fix something between you. Because every fight damages the stability.

I feel good seing you are cooperating. I hope many of us will post here and be agree with 1 thing: peace. And more, after it you can talk here without moderators without doggy rotois and the most important: without insults, irony, sarcasm, etc.

The space is opened. We have the oportunity to fix everything, easy and fast. This is the land of the free.

"Now my friend it's time for you
To break the spell

Your heart was torn in two
And somebody revealed the wall...

Now we stand together,
Our fight is to be free
We never will surrender,
We ride across the fields

Now it's time to break the silence
And the truth shall be revealed
Take the questionmark from your head...
Let the fairytale be real...

Let the fairytale be real!!!"

[CTG]

OK I finished posting in this topic...  :twisted:

[CTG]

I was in very-very bad mood this afternoon. I don't want to explain, what's the matter but sorry... I really want peace in the community!

[BonzaiJoe]

I know some things about myself: I don't start fights, I don't recall every doing so, but when one is going on, I can't resist to take a side in it, and, as I am really good at being sarcastic and making people seem stupid, and because I never lose my own temper, I make other people angry. This is of course just fuel for the fire in the Stunts forum, and doesn't really help anyone. I have done this, because I have always thought rightness is more important than peace. I still think so, but I shall respect the wishes of other Stunts pipsqueaks and try to bring a smile to the forum instead. (by the way Akoss: I was in China most of July 2002)

[Argammon]

'I know some things about myself: I don't start fights, I don't recall every doing so, but when one is going on, I can't resist to take a side in it'

Do you remember my old post about civil courage?That's usually a good way.

'and making people seem stupid'
In my old fight against Alain that was my goal,but I have to admit alain was better to do that to himself!

'This is of course just fuel for the fire in the Stunts forum'

I don't know.When I wasn't involved I would take sides but would also try to be sensible and help the involved parties to do better in the future/see a solution.Of course some people are just resistant to learning
What I am basically trying to say is taking sides IS good if you think one side is simply arguing unfairly and is wrong but you have to be sensitive how you do it!

'I have done this, because I have always thought rightness is more important than peace'

I think it CAN be combined.For example I -think- CTG and Akoss know something went wrong with the TDC.And what went wrong.And that's good for the future now!

[JTK]

One thing makes me happy: As long as we discuss this topic and all parts seem to we well-minded and to have a positive attitude in the end there is no hard crisis and the community won't break that easily as some expect to.