Politics around the world

[alanrotoi]

Hmm. let's see in my simple english: Chavez is a militar. Cristina Fernandez is a Lawyer. Chavez tryed a a strike to the government and failed he stayed at jail some time before his first cadidature for president. Cristina Fernandez never was in jail. Chavez says his government does the  Bolivariana Revolution, Cristina says her government is transient. Chavez is socialist, Cristina Fernandez is "de la derecha moderada" I don't know how to say is in english. etc etc etc.

[Chulk]

Hmm. let's see in my simple english: Chavez is a militar. Cristina Fernandez is a Lawyer. Chavez tryed a a strike to the government and failed he stayed at jail some time before his first cadidature for president. Cristina Fernandez never was in jail. Chavez says his government does the  Bolivariana Revolution, Cristina says her government is transient. Chavez is socialist, Cristina Fernandez is "de la derecha moderada" I don't know how to say is in english. etc etc etc.

You can't define a government just for the words they use to describe themselves (socialist, middle right wing and such) but for what they do. And they do pretty much the same. Give people social security and money saying they want to help the poor, and then using this people to go to their stupid shows (because those are shows, nothing more) and force them to support their lies or lose this monetary help the government is giving them. Not to mention how every actual stat they give is completely fake... prices inflation being the most obvious, but not the only one

[CTG]

Storm in the bedpan: LMP is splitted in two separate parties.

[BonzaiJoe]

Wasn't that the cool party?

There was just a feature on a (serious) Danish debate programme about the rise of racism in Hungary. Founding member of the ruling party referring to parts of the population as "animals". Jobbik supporters marching in uniforms. Constitution changed to emphasize the difference between "ethnic Hungarians" and others. Hungarian ice age. Scary stuff.

[Usrin]

Wasn't that the cool party?

Perhaps they seemed to be cool for some Western journalists... LMP was nothing but a strange mixture of obscure ideologies. Some of them wanted to be the Hungarian branch of Greenpeace (stop killing the whales, no nuclear energy, that's all we think about the world). Some were pure followers of Chavez, celebrating when he was re-elected. Some tried to renew the extreme liberalism of the old SZDSZ (the state shouldn't regulate anything and shouldn't spend on stupid things like healthcare, education or science). Not surprising that they couldn't stay in the same party... Moreover, they were completely unable to find a voice which people could understand. They were popular only amongst the children of wealthy families in elite quarters of Budapest (ca. 2% of the population). In 2010, an additional 5% voted on them because they were fed up with politicians, and wanted nothing but a new and 'innocent' party. But they are not new anymore, and everybody can see that they never had the competence for governing.

Founding member of the ruling party referring to parts of the population as "animals".

One part of the population, namely the majority of Gypsies. Sadly, what this guy (otherwise a stupid and aggressive Orbán fan, trying to overcompensate his activity as a Communist in the 80s and a liberal in the 90s) wrote in his article was true. It is true that law means nothing for many Gipsy families (1 family can easily mean 100-200 people!). They terrorise their neighborhood, and don't hesitate to kill anybody not doing exactly what they want. The case after which this article was written: a guy was killed in a pub, because he was in the loo when one of these 'local strong guys' wanted to pee. And it is only one of these cases. You can tell that it's racism to connect crime to an ethnic group. But how is it possible that reading about such a crime, we can be 99% sure that it was committed by a Gypsy? (Press never writes about the ethnicity of criminals, but it turns out later when their family members are interviewed in TV, or their name becomes public after the trial).

I DON'T believe that crime is in the genes of any ethnic group. The problem with the Gypsies is that their culture didn't change too much in the last 500 years, so it's fully incompatible with today's society. Learning and having a good job is not a value for them, and the few jobs which they had in their history (spoon maker, horse trader, Gypsy musician) are not needed in the 21th century. So crime is their only choice. The only way to help them would be founding good schools for their children (and force them to go there) and giving jobs to the adults immediately (even if it's not 'economical', and even if they don't want to work).

Jobbik supporters marching in uniforms.

Wrong answer to the above problem, which mainstream politicians rather try to deny.

Constitution changed to emphasize the difference between "ethnic Hungarians" and others.

The new constitution is bullshit. It's nothing but a tool for giving full powers to Fidesz against the opposition and giving full rights for their oligarchs to keep their hands on Hungary. But I would be really surprised if it contained any differentiation against "non-ethnic Hungarians". When it's not only a newspaper article from a noname member of the party, Fidesz is really aware (sometimes too much aware) of political correctness. (Anti-semitism in Fidesz can be ruled out, they have Jewish members, some in quite high positions.)


half-OFF:
By the way, don't forget the French constitution (and the Romanian, for which it was an example). They simply deny the existence of national minorities. Why there are no TV debates about those countries?

The real problem is that Fidesz leads the country on a really wrong way. Neither people or companies can make their plans, as rules are always changed to favour the oligarchs. Therefore economy is in ruins. The leaders are stupid, unable to organize the most simple things, oligarchs are stealing everything. Public services are also in ruins. And where these problems appear, extremism starts to rise. Anywhere in the world.

[BonzaiJoe]

Thanks, that was interesting to read. I might reply when I have the time.

[CTG]

I might reply when I have the time.

It will be fun to see the opinion of a liberal person who never met a retarded but evil gipsy criminal (90% of them)...

Btw the problem is that gipsy moral (so called "raj" behaviour, that can be explained as "I'm the cooler and stronger guy, admire me, do what I say or I'll execute you and your family") is infecting the dumber half of Hungarian youth. Like my former neighbour. I hope he'll die in a car accident together with his pregnant whore.

Yes, I still can't let this daemon go... 

[alanrotoi]

Hugo Chavez died today.

[CTG]

Hugo Chavez died today.

So what? (Does it have a real effect on world politics?)

[Chulk]

Hugo Chavez died today.

So what? (Does it have a real effect on world politics?)

It does

[CTG]

Hugo Chavez died today.

So what? (Does it have a real effect on world politics?)

It does

It's rather business, not politics.

[alanrotoi]

Please read my ignorant friend...

[Chulk]

Please read my ignorant friend...

Was that meant for me or CTG?

[alanrotoi]

CTG

[CTG]

CTG

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